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Women's Olympic Poll

By Steve Goff  |  August 18, 2008; 11:16 AM ET
Categories:  Olympics , Women  
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Hey...do Goff or you have any more info on the following from BBC football gossip:

FA Cup finalists Cardiff City are preparing a bid for Fulham striking duo American international Eddie Johnson and Northern Ireland goal hero David Healy. (Various)

Posted by: Patrick | August 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Hope will shut them out.

Posted by: RK | August 18, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

You know...this is great news for WPS...

Posted by: RK | August 18, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Are you serious? No way this team can compete with Brazil. Too slow on the ball. Not enough pressure on the ball. We're gonna get eaten up. Again.

But if we do, by some stroke of chance, happen to come out with the gold, I'll come on this blog to eat some humble pie. With relish.

Posted by: Matte | August 18, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

50,000+ at the US game today is good news too

Posted by: OWNTF | August 18, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

wow, Cardiff really wants a yank striker, eh?

Posted by: northzax | August 18, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Are you serious? No way this team can compete with Brazil. Too slow on the ball. Not enough pressure on the ball. We're gonna get eaten up. Again.

But if we do, by some stroke of chance, happen to come out with the gold, I'll come on this blog to eat some humble pie. With relish.

Posted by: Matte | August 18, 2008 11:55 AM
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Did somebody say "Humble Pie?"

"Find it hard to see you in the dark
I looked around--you were beside me
Don't you realize it's hard to dream
Without your helping hand to guide me
This could be the one, if you will be my sun
Shine on!
'Cause I need someone around me when I'm down
Shine on! Shine on!
Shine on me! Shine on you! Let it shine on!
Shine on!"

Posted by: Joe Doc | August 18, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

To beat Brazil, we have to be sharp for 90+ minutes. That has not happened so far this tournament. We are still prone to giving away the ball in the midfield. So I'm worried about that.

On the other hand, they have to worry about Chalupny's runs up the wing, quick triggers from O'Reilly and Lloyd ('specailly if the back-up keep starts again), and through balls to Kai.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 18, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

right, Brasil is playing well, but they are not invincible. Hopefully our team will learn from Germany's failings today. They got frustrated and stopped playing like a team.

It will be interesting to see what Pia's tactics are for this match.

It won't be 1-0.

Posted by: Glenn | August 18, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The good news for the WMT is that it is no longer a "one strategy fits all opponents" team. This team has shown more patience, more creativity, and better pacing than it did under Greg Ryan. Even before Abby's injury, Pia had the team moving the ball in a way that would involve more players in the offense.

The bad news is that Pia hasn't been in charge long enough to get the team where it needs to be to beat Brazil. As Glenn said, though, the Brazilians aren't invincible, Pia should have her team ready to make the finals a good game to watch.

Posted by: ho | August 18, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Brazil is beatable. If we can get under their skin and also have a competent ref who will call a decent game, we can knock Brazil off their game. They can be frustrated. BUT, alas Brazil are playing some sweet footie right now and our ladies have just not had that lights out match yet. Maybe they're overdue? I hope they can get one over on Brazil and avenge that shellacking they suffered last year.

Posted by: Kosh | August 18, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

A little off the current chit-chat, but...

where stand we on The Bruce? The DCU legend who went on to lead one of our most hated rivals and now is about to lead our mostest hatedest rival. How does this sit with the faithful?

Posted by: Kosh | August 18, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

You heard it here first: I guarantee the USA women will get at least a silver medal!

Posted by: Braniac | August 18, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Just a reminder, I have lots of experience against Brazil.

Posted by: Briana Scurry | August 18, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

where stand we on The Bruce? The DCU legend who went on to lead one of our most hated rivals and now is about to lead our mostest hatedest rival. How does this sit with the faithful?
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Who gives a sit?

Posted by: Fisch Fry (Back in the US) | August 18, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Look for the USA and their disjointed coordination between the defense and midfield to give the ball away repeatedly to the Brazilians who will make them pay. Once the US gets behind by a couple of goals, look for a lot of futile bootball.

Brazil 3:1 USA, USA getting a consolation goal late after Brazil starts thinking in earnest about another trip to the top of the podium.

I hope I'm wrong. But I can't help but remember that Brazil just got done pasting a Germany side which is also a better soccer team than the US is.

Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Brazil 3:1 USA, USA getting a consolation goal late after Brazil starts thinking in earnest about another trip to the top of the podium.

Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 2:12 PM
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"another trip to the top of the podium"?? Um, when has Brasil, men or women, been at the top of the podium in Olympic soccer?

Posted by: Jim McKay's ghost | August 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say Olympic podium.

Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Who gives a sit?

Posted by: Fisch Fry (Back in the US) | August 18, 2008 2:06 PM

FRY!! Even though you dropped the "h" I think I have an idea as to where you stand on the topic. Welcome back.

Posted by: Kosh | August 18, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say Olympic podium.

Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 2:28 PM
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To the best of my knowledge, the only podium that the Canarinhas have been atop is the Pan-American Games podium.

Posted by: tri-village | August 18, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Whatever.

I hope the US can find a way to win, but I just don't see it. Maybe the US can bunker like crazy and hope the Brazilians get frustrated and give one up on the counter.

Problem is I don't think this team can bunker effectively, neither do I think they can go toe to toe with Brazil.

Posted by: Ron | August 18, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

"Another trip" my arse. The Brazilian women have not yet been on top of any podium, Olympics or WWC. Surely Brazil's time on the podium will come sooner than later, but given Brazil's history in recent finals, I doubt that either team will be thinking in earnest about anything but securing a result until the whistle blows.

The US WNT will need to play their best game of the last two major tournaments to get the result, but let's not forget that the last game involved Ryan-ball, keeper-gate and a dubious red card that left them short-handed for the second half. Let's also not forget that in WWC the Best Team Never To Win A Trophy came off their the 4-1 seminfinal win and got dominated in the finals.

I am Hoping for the same result Thursday, Hoping that Solo exacts some revenge, like Clint in High Plains Drifter. Maybe the US will even wear red . . . . .

This year one of the Brazilians likely will win the Golden Boot, maybe another shoudl get the Golden Stretcher, for importing into the women's game the odious practice of feigning injury, stopping play while the medi-vac team drops in, hitching a ride off on a stretcher, then hopping up and re-entering 30 seconds later. They did so twice early in the Germany game today. Not to mention the kidney punch to Prinz. "Joga Bonito."

Posted by: OWNTF | August 18, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Brazil won gold in the men's 50M freestyle. maybe that's what Ron was referring to.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | August 18, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

PS -- The US WNT will not bunker if they're not ahead, and maybe not even if they are. I predict high pressure because the Brazilian back line is suspect. High risk, high reward.

The Best Team Never To Win A Major will not find it that easy to turn the corner against Mitts and Chalupny, with Rampone covering.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 18, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Go USA!
Go USA!
I agree with what OWNTF said @3:05.
GO USA!
I'll be wearing the intolerable US home jersey all week. Except of course when I'll be wearing a DC United jersey and the pink flower petal tiara on Wednesday evening.
Sounds crazy, but it's been working...

Posted by: dadryan | August 18, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Pia's contract is up after the Olympics. They'd have to be crazy not to renew her, no matter what happens Thursday, right?

Posted by: Mysterian | August 18, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I see no reason not to retain PS, although she may have personal considerations of her own, for all we know. Her predecessors pulled down something in the neighborhood of $200K per year, and I imagine so does she. Does anyone know how this compares with WNT head coach salaries in other countries?

Posted by: tri-village | August 18, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Good win for the ladies today. However, I am concerned about how/if they'll be able to handle Brazil.

It's easy to talk about Marta and Christiane but the reality is that they have good talent all over the field. IMHO this Brazil side is better than the one in the last WC...

Posted by: Carl | August 18, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

I finally had a chance to watch the game. I'm excited about us reaching the final but we have to admit that at least two out of our four goals today were crosses that went into the net.

Kudos for the effort but these shots were a reflection of poor goalkeeping rather than good shooting.

If we wantt o beat Brazil, we have to pressure them relentlessly and get them frustrated and off their game early on.

Posted by: Kelly_Smaen | August 18, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Today Germany joined the list of women's soccer "powers" to be embarassed by Brazil.

I say embarassed because it is beyond losing the game. It encompasses being controlled and toyed with through long stretches of a game, where it seems that girls are playing against women... women who play better than most men. Scary.

God save us against embarassment in the final! It's OK if we just lose.

Posted by: Robots 1 x 4 Skill | August 18, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

I would agree that Hucles' second goal was a cross that just happened to go in. I do think that O'Reilly intentionally chipped the goalie though.

The team showed heart today when they didn't buckle after giving up a cheesy goal. Japan didn't seem capable of threatening our back line after that (except in stoppage time when it was too late), which gave us a chance to score and regain our confidence. Brazil is much more skilled than Japan at piercing our backline with diagonal balls, and I don't think we'll be so lucky if Brazil scores first.

My prediction: If the US scores first early in the game, I'd give them a 75% chance of winning. If Brazil scores first, the US has less than a 10% chance of winning.

Posted by: calvester | August 18, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

The good thing is that silver goes with everything.

Posted by: Thora | August 18, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Germany the back-to-back World Cup winners were soundly beaten todayb. Does that make them a "power" in quotation marks now? They always say the third successive world cup title is the toughest to get. Brazil MIGHT surpass the reigning Weltmeisters or the US in TEN YEARS if Brazil wins three straight WWC, which of courfse no team has ever done. Get a grip, man, put down your Joga Bonito Mojito and sober up, the Kool-aid's too strong for you.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 18, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Brazil 3-0

Posted by: Todd | August 19, 2008 6:13 AM | Report abuse

To those of you who think the US will win this going away or even win at all:

I hope you are right. And I hope I end up wrong.

But I doubt it. The USWNT's slow, disjointed, plodding, predictable, bootball attack may work against decidedly inferior opponents such as Japan, but against Brazil it likely won't.

And yes, I agree the Brazil women are a bunch of diving cheats, but to a player they are still better soccer-wise and athleticism-wise than the Americans.

But this is soccer. The best team does not always win. The Americans can win if all 11 players play the game of their lives, if they get a bit lucky and get some early goals, can knock Brazil off their game with physicality without getting in card trouble and Hope Solo "stands on her head", as they say in hockey, in the nets.

*If*.

Posted by: Ron | August 19, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

I love my US girls but let's be real. One word: Marta.

Posted by: Andrea | August 19, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

The USWNT's slow, disjointed, plodding, predictable, bootball attack may work against decidedly inferior opponents such as Japan, but against Brazil it likely won't.
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WTF, bro, you must not have watched the Japan game.

Chalupny's goal started on the right side with a throw-in. There was an 8-pass sequence in which they switched the ball across to the left flank, in and back out of the midfield, then began to switch it back to the right, then quickly changed pace and attacked up the middle through a central midfielder who laid off a perfectly weighted ball to an attacking left back, who took on 3 defenders with her dribble and unleashed a rocket from 20 yards out that roofed the upper 90. Nothing slow, disjointed or predictable about it. If she had on a yellow jersey, you'd say she was God's gift to soccer.

Watch the game next time before you post.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 19, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

... the one who doesn't want to see...

Museums make a living out of the past, Brazil looks like the present and future of the game.

Now go back and teach your youth team to be mentally tough and square their bodies befor ethey make a pass.

Posted by: Worst Type of Blind... | August 19, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I did watch the game OWNTF, great goal no doubt by Chalupny, but at best is the exception that proves the rule. Also benefitted by some rather statuesque, ball-watching Japan defense.

I'm no Brazil fan, to be sure, but I am not alone in my assessment that Brazil is better than the US. I wish it weren't so, but it is. Sorry, but the truth hurts.

Too many people in the US Soccer Federation have on the same rose colored glasses you do. Which is why the US has slipped to being a second rate team in womens international soccer.

Nonetheless, go USA. I hope they win.
Maybe the straight-ahead bootball will work. Somehow.

Posted by: Ron | August 19, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Hmm, I guess I'm the thread killer, but I don't see Chalupny's goal as the exception. On the first goal, O'Reilly got end line with speed and ball handling ability that any team, even the Brazilians, will have a tough time containing. She hit a text book cut back from the end line, and any team would have had trouble defending because there were three more players supporting in the box each of whom had a shot to finish. The Japanese marked ##s 1 (A-Rod) and 2 (Tarpley), but Tarpley did a legitimate dummy (not like Marta's missed strike in the Germany game, which had the same effect as a dummy), and Hucles had a sitter for the first goal. It was speed, connectedness, unpredictability and calm finishing. The ball never left the ground from like the half line into the back of the net. Most definitely not bootball.

Are the Japanese Brazil? No. And the 3d and 4th goals were pathetic goalkeeping.

But I don't think it is fair to call this US team plodding and predictable, given the radical change in attacking style since 2007, which is apparent to any casual observer.

Are Brazil the favorites Thursday? Sure, especially after they broke our leading scorer's leg a few weeks ago. Not living in the past, I just don't think the criticisms of this particular US team are fair or accurate.

OK, til Thursday then.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 19, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Too much bitterness and not enough objectivity.

Right now Brazil is better than the USA, regardless of the final's outcome.

Likewise, Argentina is better than Brazil's men, even when they lost in Copa America. They finally got the result they deserved today.

The US team is pretty good too, just not as good as Brazil.

Posted by: Dean | August 19, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Are Brazil the favorites Thursday? Sure, especially after they broke our leading scorer's leg a few weeks ago.
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Wambach broke her own leg, going after what was less than a 50-50 ball, and which her opponent had all the way.

Posted by: tri-village | August 19, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

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