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DCU Stadium (continued)

D.C. United has issued a statement concerning the Maryland Stadium Authority's report about the feasibility of building a soccer stadium in P.G. County:

"D.C. United would like to thank Prince George's County for requesting and the Maryland Stadium Authority for its efforts in analyzing the potential economic impact of a new home for our club in Prince George's County. The comprehensive report, compiled on behalf of the MSA, substantiates what D.C. United has always believed: our new stadium will be a strong economic catalyst providing significant benefits -- which will promote and enliven additional mixed-use development around the county."

Read more about the study by clicking here for the stadium authority's PDF and here for a Post blog on the subject.

By Steve Goff  |  September 23, 2008; 2:56 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Yessssssssss.

Posted by: First | September 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"DC United would also like to shove this report straight up the a$$es of Adrian Fenty and the DC Sports and Entertainment Commission"

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Will be glad if DCU can get a new stadium, but Greenbelt or New Carrolton means more games on TV for me instead of live in person.

Posted by: jce | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Will be glad if DCU can get a new stadium, but Greenbelt or New Carrolton means more games on TV for me instead of live in person.

Posted by: jce | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM
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Thanks for the laugh. You make it sound like you have it so tough.

I live in Southen California so I only get to see them live 2 times a year. Maybe 3 if I want to make a 6+ hour drive (both ways) to San Jose.

And whenever the new stadium opens, and wherever it is, I'll fly home to DC to help break in the new stadium.

Good gravy, talk about some whiners.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 23, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Although the preferred location is Poplar Point, this report is good news for DCU, PG county and the State of Maryland. Our sport continues to grow in the region and the nation and with good management, this venue could be a real boost for the area. Yes, a longer commute for our friends in Virginia but still Metro accessable and right off the beltway. DCU needs the venue to increase revenues and to stay competitive.

Posted by: sbg | September 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Will be glad if DCU can get a new stadium, but Greenbelt or New Carrolton means more games on TV for me instead of live in person.

Posted by: jce | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM
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Thanks for the laugh. You make it sound like you have it so tough.

I live in Southen California so I only get to see them live 2 times a year. Maybe 3 if I want to make a 6+ hour drive (both ways) to San Jose.

And whenever the new stadium opens, and wherever it is, I'll fly home to DC to help break in the new stadium.

Good gravy, talk about some whiners.

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I live in Birmingham, Alabama. My best option is a 10+ hour drive to Dallas or Houston.

But seriously, I think a suburban stadium will change the demographics/attendance. Don't a large number of Barra come from NoVa?

Posted by: Colm | September 23, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Whatup Marc Fisher?

Posted by: DirtyHarry | September 23, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

(crickets)

Posted by: Marc Fisher's Desk | September 23, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Will they also be changing the name of the team to "Baltimore-Washington Parkway United"? How about "United 4.8 miles outside of D.C."?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Remind me what city name the Redskins, Caps and Bullets used while playing in PG County?

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Will they also be changing the name of the team to "Baltimore-Washington Parkway United"? How about "United 4.8 miles outside of D.C."?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 3:29 PM
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Yeah. Coz the Washington Redskins, New York Giants and Jets and a slew of MLS and NBA teams might confuse the massess by having one name on the jersey and playing 20 miles away in a suburb.

[Note to self: Invest in stock of company that produces PG County flags. Sit back and wait fr the gold rush. Then I can be like Clinton Portis and my pockets can stay straight (take that Brian Mitchell)].

Posted by: yankiboy | September 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Will they also be changing the name of the team to "Baltimore-Washington Parkway United"? How about "United 4.8 miles outside of D.C."?
..........................................

Oh, and I suppose that GU should find a new name for its men's basketball team, too.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 23, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Waaaaay off topic for this thread, but I wanted to share this little bit of unintended comedy that would otherwise get buried in an older post. First, read this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/grant_wahl/09/23/galaxy.leiweke/index.html?eref=sircrc

Then, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDgQYTPpsx4

(Of course, the general theme of the video could be applied to DCU and their stadium.)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 23, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: who cares | September 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget the Bridewater Fire, the Carson Galaxy, FC Frisco, Chester (NJ) Whatever, etc....

Also, while I am a commited urbanist, and wish that DC would come through, let me point out to the whining Virginians that Poplar Point may be close to you, but it's on the other side of the District for anyone coming from northern Maryland suburbs. If we want to drive there, we have to go all the way around the beltway, or through the District (how many hours would that take?). Wherever they relocate, it will be closer for some, and farther for others.

It's hardly impossible either way. I drove all the way to the Anacostia station for the Nats' opener. Ya'll can manage to get to New Carrollton or Greenbelt -- especially for the 8:00 games or the weekends.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree about the name issue. Who cares where they are? if they are within 30 miles of DC, they should still be DC United. If you don't want to call them that, then just call them United. sheesh

All of the teams, except baseball, have played or still play out of the city.
Most teams practiced outside of the city as well.

In the grand scheme of it, does the place they play really matter to what the name is, no.

At this point, I hope McFarlane/Chang make up a name, ala Cooke's Raljon, for where the stadium is.

Posted by: steve-o | September 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

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Remind me what city name the Redskins, Caps and Bullets used while playing in PG County?

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 3:34 PM
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Remind me how long those professional teams wanted to remain in venues outside of DC.

The first choice (in my opinion) should be to stay in DC. If that is not feasible, I'd imagine that a United team that played games in MD would one day find it's way back to within the city.

But it would be a shame if it had to leave for a short move to the inner 'burbs.

Posted by: City Center is the place to be | September 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

United WANT to be in DC. The District of Columbia do not feel it urgent to assist them in staying within the city's boundaries. I'm not entirely thrilled with how MacFarlane has played this, but he has to take the best deal for the club, wherever that may be.

Like the Redskins, Caps and Bullets, it's not about want as much as it is about complicated reality.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

united IS UNITED, WHETHER ITS AT RFK OR 20 MINUTES AWAY, WHy WOULD THAT CHANGE THE WAY YOU FEEL FOR UNITED?

Posted by: DC FAN | September 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@ City Center is the place to be:

I agree that the city center is ideal. Works great for Verizon Center, because all the Metro lines converge near there. If DC United can get land near Metro Center, they should grab it.

When the heck have you, or 99% of the people who read this blog, ever stepped foot in Anacostia? In case you haven't noticed, it's pretty far from the city center.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I want a BMW and a House in Clarendon.

Shame on you Arlington County, Commonwealth of Virginia, and United States of America for not giving me what I want at favorable rates. I will bring my tax dollars on my inflated government salary that will go to your coffers and spur economic development.

And in 10 years - I'll need you to help me pay for the renovations I will want to do in order to raise the appraised value of the house which will also lead to more tax dollars and greater economic development.

You can sell municipal bonds to help fund all of this and CalPERS and TIAA-CREF will purchase them from you due to your stellar credit rating.

Oh, but when I sell the house I will take all of the proceeds to put it toward my new waterfront property in Dubai!

Posted by: Sub-Prime | September 23, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You know what would be sick? If they built it on the lot where the old convention center was. Couldn't get anymore city center than that could you?

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

dadryan: that's where Adrian Fenty is going to put a dull mall/mixed dev with the hope of boosting the struggling new Convention Center.

Posted by: Kevin | September 23, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

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When the heck have you, or 99% of the people who read this blog, ever stepped foot in Anacostia? In case you haven't noticed, it's pretty far from the city center.
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"City Center" is not the best term. I meant to imply that the city is the "center" of the region. I don't care where in the city one wants to place a venue.

metro access is key.

the RFK/Armory site has worked well for United. it's on two metro lines and handled years of NFL crowds.

the single line to Navy Yard (Nats) and Anacostia (potentially DC United at PP) is an issue. but being in DC i think is key, especially for a soccer team.

Poplar Point (I believe) is closer to the Capitol than RFK, if that is an important item for discussion, but I do not think it is.

DC United want control over their venue. They'll build (hopefully) where they can get that.

Poplar Point seems like a great location (for the most number of current fans). I'm sure the PG locations on the metro line would be a fine option, but I certainly doubt that is United's preferred location.

Again, building it anywhere on a metro line would be a great achievement, but getting something "downtown" or in the city I think is key to the stadium (and the team) being all it can be.

Posted by: DC | September 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Fisch Fry,

it is Chester (PA) not (NJ).

Posted by: LW | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@Colm-

Don't be fooled into believing that the locations being suggested are far-flung outposts inconvenient to all. Both sites (Greenbelt Metro / New Carrollton Metro) are inside the beltway and on (obviously) on Metro lines. The difference in the metro ride to RFK vs New Carrollton is roughly 14 minutes.

We're aren't talking Frisco-Dallas here. It's 8 1/2 miles on the street from RFK to New Carrollton. 10 miles on the street from RFK to Greenbelt.

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Man think of the traffic tie-ups,
I dont think the City would want to build that especially when they want that place for another valuable assest such as a hotel. LoL

DC is not willing to do anything. They are going to let DCU slip trough the cracks in hopes of getting the redskins to come back to the city which a majority of the residents cant even afford nose-bleed section tix. And see the economic down fall of another failed sports plan.
also DC wouldnt want for the United season crowd to be drawn to their home games when the Wiz or Caps are playing. Or even the Nats which will become the Oklahoma Expos soon at rate that they are going.

good greef.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, I could care less about a "study." Wake me up when they start building the damn stadium.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Honestly- what is New Carroltan- like 15 minutes further down the orange line then RFK? I live in NOVA and I really don't think thats a big deal...

Greenbelt would be more of a hassel though.

Posted by: laur | September 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM

And (insanely in Chicago) NOT near public transport. What the hell were they thinking out there?

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

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Don't be fooled into believing that the locations being suggested are far-flung outposts inconvenient to all. Both sites (Greenbelt Metro / New Carrollton Metro) are inside the beltway and on (obviously) on Metro lines. The difference in the metro ride to RFK vs New Carrollton is roughly 14 minutes.

We're aren't talking Frisco-Dallas here. It's 8 1/2 miles on the street from RFK to New Carrollton. 10 miles on the street from RFK to Greenbelt.

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field
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Certainly.

But the discussion (for MLS and teams being able to draw {the best/biggest} crowds to their venues) should not be about Dallas/Frisco or Chicago/Bridgeview or Denver/CommmerceCity.

United and DC should be looking to the examples of success in Toronto and Seattle (and even United at RFK) by having soccer teams play IN the city, nearest to the most people and the best (public) transportation options.

Posted by: WMATA | September 23, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

These two locations aren't far flung burbs as many on here have stated.

In fact I think this is comparable to the NY Mets and Shea- give the people a successful team with a solid fan base and mass transit access- and they shall come.

Posted by: laur | September 23, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I just hope that Fenty read this feasibility analysis, and get the ball rolling on this project.

Posted by: DC United Fan | September 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As far as I'm concerned, PG County is a cesspit of carjackings, used car lots, and hopped-up cops bashing in doors and blowing away peoples' dogs.

Posted by: Herr | September 23, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@ Kevin: Yeah, I know... I can always dream of my mixed use facility for Soccer, an olympic velodrome, fixed gear freestyle rink, and tanning facility with retractable natural grass playing field, and retractable roof can't I? ;-)

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

But the discussion (for MLS and teams being able to draw {the best/biggest} crowds to their venues) should not be about Dallas/Frisco or Chicago/Bridgeview or Denver/CommmerceCity.

United and DC should be looking to the examples of success in Toronto and Seattle (and even United at RFK) by having soccer teams play IN the city, nearest to the most people and the best (public) transportation options.

Posted by: WMATA | September 23, 2008 4:19 PM

Not to be snitty, but the discussion has moved past that. You're talking theory (which most agree with), we're talking practice. DC United had (well, still have) a wonderful plan to stay within the city limits. They've wanted to play in the District every season of their existence - and yeah, they probably still will when they leave. And you could make the argument that they will be no further from the same demographics, public transport and roads in PG that they are in Southeast. They're just shifted.

This is all about finding a place where the club can be financially viable, since the District won't help them do that.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Re: Chief Clancy Wiggum

et tu left coast?

PG county is a sneeze away for all folks in the DC Metro Area... stop McCainin' and show love!!!

Fenty? where you at???

Posted by: Cashous | September 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, who cares where it is. Just build the stupid thing so the team can make some money and the league doesn't fold. Most folks who want to see United play live will still do it regardless of where the stadium is.

Posted by: hacksaw | September 23, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@ Kevin: Yeah, I know... I can always dream of my mixed use facility for Soccer, an olympic velodrome, fixed gear freestyle rink, and tanning facility with retractable natural grass playing field, and retractable roof can't I? ;-)

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 4:27 PM

In about 10 years, we might be able to turn the Convention Center into that dream! ;-)

As far as I'm concerned, PG County is a cesspit of carjackings, used car lots, and hopped-up cops bashing in doors and blowing away peoples' dogs.

Posted by: Herr | September 23, 2008 4:26 PM

Yes, God forbid United move to a struggling community and not...Anacostia!

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know the beef' between Real Espana and Luciano Emilio? Is it because he went to Olimpia who i am guessing is their rivals??

Any Hondureno's care to go into more detail?

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@WMATA

No disagreement from me on your points. I was merely refuting claims by some that the two locations in PG County were somehow incredibly remote from the center of DC, or substantially further away from RFK.

It is nice to have purely academic discussions about urban theory, and believe me, it's one of my favorite topics. Unfortunately, the reality of this particular situation for United is encumbered by the lack of political will in DC to facilitate this development.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

As a suburbanite, one of the great things about going to a game is going to the city. It's not just about a soccer game, it's the whole experience. If they move to PG County, I'll just be glad I have FSC and CSN!

Posted by: Terp | September 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Come to think of it we should just combine the fixed gear freestyle rink with a little beirut rules style bike polo rink in the infield of the Velodrome. Maybe let the homeless do some world cup qualies there and kick back and count our money...

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

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This is all about finding a place where the club can be financially viable, since the District won't help them do that.
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Agreed.

But this MSA study also seems to be an attempt to convince the DC City Council that a stadium at PP would be financially viable for all parties in the city.

Or maybe I'm wrong in that. Maybe United is going to press full speed ahead now with agreeing to and building a stadium in PG County.

I guess the question still revolves around is United (and Fenty and DC Council) willing to still pursue the PP options (with Clark) or is PG really the only available/best option at this point for a United venue.

Posted by: Who knows | September 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Remind me how long those professional teams wanted to remain in venues outside of DC.

Posted by: City Center is the place to be


Well, lets see.......
Caps started play in what 1974?? They moved into the VC about 10 yrs ago....so quick math....oh, about 25 years, right?
Les Boulez....yeah about the same.
Skins moved out of DC about 12 yrs ago maybe and have not moved back yet.
Caps and Boulez are only back beacuse Abe Pollin MADE it happen.
So, reminder complete and point basically invalid on your part.

Posted by: marksman | September 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Why not add a swimming facility and get Michael Phelps involved

Posted by: timmy | September 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Agreed 'Who knows' - the Poplar Point saga might not be completely over. We shall see - I'm just at a point where I will accept PG if it's what has to happen.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Good luck raising money to build a stadium.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 23, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

united IS UNITED, WHETHER ITS AT RFK OR 20 MINUTES AWAY, WHy WOULD THAT CHANGE THE WAY YOU FEEL FOR UNITED?

Posted by: DC FAN | September 23, 2008 3:57 PM
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Great Point! I will still drive to every game and still have a great time, no matter where this damn team plays!!!

Posted by: kris | September 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Caps and Boulez are only back beacuse Abe Pollin MADE it happen.
So, reminder complete and point basically invalid on your part.

Posted by: marksman | September 23, 2008 4:36 PM

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Abe Pollin paid for it too. Out of his own pocket, no snivelling.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

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the reality of this particular situation for United is encumbered by the lack of political will in DC to facilitate this development.
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And is not this feasibility study also (in theory) an attempt to alter that current level of "political will in DC"?

I'm not sure.

But I would suspect that United would continue to press for the PP option, as they'd likely view the MSA/PG County "positive" feasibility study as a "positive" stadium within DC argument in the (potentially) ongoing negotiations with Fenty and the DC City Council.

Of course if the political will to get this done in DC, then it won't get done at PP, and PG county would house the venue.

Posted by: Who knows | September 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

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So, reminder complete and point basically invalid on your part.
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Don't know if this is "true" or not, but I was under the assumption (especially for MLS and soccer as a whole) that the "more urban" a stadium/arena/venue is in its location, the "more successful" that stadium/venue is.

But maybe that's just a vague (and perhaps false) generality.

Posted by: to DC or not to DC | September 23, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

On Soccer Club locational name in the US:

The Tampa Bay Rowdies never played their games in water.

"Tampa Bay is a large natural harbor and estuary along the Gulf of Mexico on the western coast of Florida, comprising Old Tampa Bay, Hillsborough Bay, McKay Bay, and New Tampa Bay."

Posted by: CD | September 23, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Abe Pollin paid for it too. Out of his own pocket, no snivelling.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 4:41 PM

Out of his own pocket - with loads of tax incentives, improvements to the facility and Metro chipped in from the city. Oh and I'm guessing Abe didn't cover any city infrastructure (like the sewers) under the building.

I love Abe, but let's not make it out to be a complete freebie for DC.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

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Abe Pollin paid for it too. Out of his own pocket, no snivelling.
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on one hand you have Pollin (Caps/Wiz) and on the other hand you have MLB (Nats).

It seems United wants to find some middle ground with a jurisdiction that is willing/able to work with them.

as an outdoor venue (compared to an indoor venue with limitless scheduling options across 365 days a year), i'd say the Nats example is more relevant than the Caps/Wiz example, in terms of comparing venues and the financing/construction thereof.

Posted by: hoops | September 23, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

The people whining about a possible PG location without presenting any reasonable, and realistic options are the same who complain about Gallardo, while pining for the days of Gomez.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

The Tampa Bay Rowdies never played their games in water.

Posted by: CD | September 23, 2008 4:45 PM
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I beg to differ. Did you ever see the Sombrero when it was raining heavily?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

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The people whining about a possible PG location without presenting any reasonable, and realistic option
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I guess the question (facing United and MacFarlane) raised by this MSA feasibility study likely centers on is a PG location really any more reasonable or realistic than a DC/Poplar Point location.

Posted by: What do we know | September 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

DC/Poplar point is dead. They are not wanted and even if we could get there it would be 5-7 years away with the infrastructure work that needs to be done first.

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

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DC/Poplar point is dead. They are not wanted and even if we could get there it would be 5-7 years away with the infrastructure work that needs to be done first.
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This seems like opinion and not fact to me.

Unless of course you have some direct links or quotes to back up your claims, or course.

I'm not saying you're wrong (or your opinions might prove to be true), but I don't see any real evidence out there that the stadium option at Poplar Point is really a dead issue.

Posted by: Who knows | September 23, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: Chief Clancy Wiggum

et tu left coast?

Posted by: Cashous | September 23, 2008 4:29 PM

Si.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 23, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I dunno...just seeing this report, anything, is exciting. And if I can stay on the Orange Line to get there then, well, it's worth supporting. And DCU is worth supporting period. Can you just imagine the insane countdown waiting for this thing to get built?

Posted by: D C B 23 | September 23, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure I can recall a better stadium for ingress / egress than RFK, with it's 10,000 parking spaces. For the group of people I go with, it couldn't be much better.

As a Loudoun-ite, I have to drive some portion of the trip. Any PG location would make me cautious about committing to weeknight games until we have some clue about the logistics.

I have no interest in driving in PG County after a game, but Metro is a challenge as well. It's certainly not a given that attendance will rise in a new Stadium in PG.

Posted by: JkR | September 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Page 4 of the report:

Current preliminary plans call for the proposed new MLS stadium to include the following building components:
 Capacity of between 24,000 and 27,000 permanent seats with the ability to expand to 35,000
 1,000 club seats and a club lounge
 50 suites
 Grass field
 Team administration offices and a team store
 Media, athletics and officials facilities
 A restaurant/pub (!!!!!!!!!!!!)
 Parking facilities with at least 4,000 spaces within control of the facility operator/team
 Ancillary practice facilities and playing fields adjacent or proximate to the stadium

Posted by: DCUMD | September 23, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The United move to Maryland and this Virginian will attend zero games a year instead of my normal three or four.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I say we buy RFK - tear it down - and rebuild there

anyone with me???

Posted by: Anthony The Great | September 23, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I say we buy RFK - tear it down - and rebuild there

anyone with me???

Posted by: Anthony The Great | September 23, 2008 5:11 PM
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It's been said before, but without RFK, the land reverts to the Federal Gov. You can knock it down, but as soon as you do, you've lost the rights to the land.

Posted by: JkR | September 23, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

That is gay...

Posted by: Anthony The Great | September 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I dont feel like getting shot, mugged, or raped in PG County...

Posted by: Anthony The Great | September 23, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

I dont feel like getting shot, mugged, or raped in PG County...

Posted by: Anthony The Great | September 23, 2008 5:17 PM
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But you wouldn't have a problem if that were to happen elsewhere in the country?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Well the crime problem really isn't a point with PG. Mean you are going to be in a crowd from the moment you leave your car to the moment you get back to it.

The biggest issue is car vandals and from what the document stated there will be monitored parking and then the additional lots that will be monitored by companies paid for that service.

We would have the same chance of being a victim of a crime regardless of where they move the stadium to, unless they clear out the MCI center and move us in.

Posted by: Jose | September 23, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

yo you ever been to PG countyy? yeah during the game u got coverage - but after, u fair game.

Posted by: united in frederick | September 23, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Who am I? Why am I here?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

cool us Virginians will bring the heaters for after the game...
Goff is about to come on WaPostLIve...

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Some of you trying to make an urban argument about Anacostia apparently have never been there. Even RFK would be a stretch to say it is in an urban area. Those areas have the same suburban look as most areas within the Beltway. Mostly residential. Poplar Point is not 7th & F Streets. And as the Nats are finding out, neither is the Navy Yard.

For those who live in Alexandria, Poplar Point is a shorter distance but traveling to Greenbelt is not that far. Those coming from western Fairfax County, there are more travel options than would be available from Poplar Point. The key is Metro and as long as the stadium is built near a Metro station, then there is not much to complain about.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

I like to do things in the city before games.
I don't care about the commute. Moving to a suburb would be terrible. Also I don't take kindly to being shot. So I'd rather not have the stadium in Maryland.

Posted by: NoVa | September 23, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

The one thing in the report that stuck out to me was that MLS has the highest percentage of 100K plus earners for fans. Anybody willing to share the wealth with JMR?

Posted by: JMR | September 23, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

DCUMD, where is the obligatory stage?

Posted by: Ed | September 23, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Will be glad if DCU can get a new stadium, but Greenbelt or New Carrolton means more games on TV for me instead of live in person.

Posted by: jce | September 23, 2008 3:14 PM

You have it good, homes...I have to drive two hours from Charlottesville (4 hour round trip) just to see DCU play. Please...

Posted by: BigWave | September 23, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Gimme a break on the tough guy talk coming out of Fredrick and the fear of being shot from NoVa... Do you really think that if they built in Poplar Point you would be less exposed to Gun Play because you're not in PG? There is a general buffer zone around any sports venue, and it's really stupid to worry about it. I remember an incident in Seattle some years ago where someone was murdered in front of their family very close to the stadiums, can't remember if it was Seahawks or Mariners, I can just remember that is was extremely random, weird, and unlikely to ever happen again.
What kind of idiots would rob people *after* they spent their money in the stadium? A good point would be some idiot from PG.

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Because PG is Sooooo much worse than DC...

This North Carolinian won't miss a single one of you crying Virginians if United moves to PG.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Wherever you live in Virginia, Greenbelt is closer than St. Louis and New Carrollton is closer than Montreal.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

As much as I hate to say it, if dcu move to PG,I'll will drop my season tickets. Sad but that's the reality.

Posted by: noname | September 23, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 6:07 PM | Report abuse

PG county may be sooooo much worse but people still get murdered just about everyday in either NE & SE DC. Who cares, I'll more than likely be driving if they build in PG, and I'll have a fully loaded, firearm in the whip and the sobriety(cuz I'm driving) to blast any fool trying to step. Talk about family friendly.

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM

And (insanely in Chicago) NOT near public transport. What the hell were they thinking out there?

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:16 PM

I was just at Bridgeview for USA-Trinidad. We drove from our hotel but there are buses that go out there and there is an express bus that goes there from downtown on game days.

Posted by: CMJ | September 23, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ. Did you ever see the Sombrero when it was raining heavily?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 4:48 PM

Well played. I guess that's why their captain/best player (and my favorite growing up) was Rodney Marsh.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't anyone blogging about Steve's appearance on Comcast? Come on! Those of us still at work are missing the action.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Here's one for DCU. If ya'll move to Greenbelt, I promise to upgrade from a single flex plan to 2 season tickets. How's them apples? The move should cut my travel time in half. Also, it makes far more sense as a location, since it is far more likely to succeed in terms of anchoring a prosperous development. Greenbelt is already flourishing -- nice write-up in the paper a few weeks ago. Anacostia? For real? They can't get anyone to move to the Navy Yards. How ya gonna get businesses and people to move across the river to the most troubled backwater locale in the whole DC region?

So there.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Carling Cup

Bobby Convey went 106' for Reading, but the Royals lost to the Smoke Potheads 2-2 (4-3 PKs). Sorry, Stoke Potters.

Clint Dempsey went the full 90' for Fulham in a 0-1 loss to Burnley.

Jay DeMerit went the full 90' for Waford in a 1-0 win against West Ham.

EDDIE JOHNSON STARTED AND PLAYED THE FIRST HALF FOR CARDIFF in a 0-1 loss to Swansea.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

better decide fast, isnt that palin chick a hockey mom

Posted by: moron | September 23, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

If they move, I'll increase my 3-4 matches per year (mostly at the Soccerplex) and bring one or both of my kids.

Fisch Fry: We can carpool on the ICC. I hope you like Molly Hatchet, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the Allman Bros. If not, you can drive.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I might add this little thought. There was a time when the Yankees had a serious image problem -- their fans were afraid to go to games because of the location. Now, it's not a problem - because there are many more cops around Yankee Stadium on game nights than anywhere else in the city. Anybody think DC is going to make that kind of commitment to appease soccer fans?

I like the idea of a stadium in the city, and Poplar Point has some promise -- but let's not kid ourselves. That idea's not without serious problems -- even if Fenty was for it.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

Whats with all the PG county bashing? I understand the annoyance of having to commute to a stadium that is not located in the district. Naturally, if this were a report discussing a stadium option in NoVa, there would be some Marylanders complaining about the added drive time.

As has been well documented in the Post, the majority of murders and violent crime in PG county take place in certain hot spots, almost all located near the DC border. Greenbelt is hardly the worst place to live, and is well known for its distinct garden city feel, architecture, and history as one of the early planned communities.

Hopefully this report motivates the DC government to act, and the team gets a stadium at Poplar Point or elsewhere. As much success United has achieved at RFK, the franchise can only tread the financial water for so long without control over revenue. Hopefully the fans that commute long distances already would be willing to add the extra ten minutes to their trip and keep supporting the team if they leave the district. Not everyone can afford to take huge chunks out of their day to drive to soccer games, but I applaud those that do. Choosing not to attend games because you do not care for those on the other side of the district is pretty sad though.....

Posted by: Terps_United | September 23, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

As Goff noted in an earlier thread, the Terps are playing at home twice this week: tonight against AU, and Friday against Wake Forest, the nation's top-ranked team. People should try to attend one of these games (or others on the Terps' home schedule), to see what it is like to drive or take Metro to that area.

If that is not feasible, you can listen to the radio broadcast here:

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/092208aab.html

Posted by: The Jeff | September 23, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Add me to the growing list of people who'll stop attending games and start watching on TV.

It's not a threat and some of you who say you drive from siberia or whereever should realize not everyone is as "hardcore" as you.

A lot of us have families, jobs, lives and other commitments that will seriously cut down on my attendance at games.

I truly hope DCunited can make up for it by attracting more PG county residents but I think many of the NOVA folks(myself included) will pretty much be done with attending most games.

Posted by: United | September 23, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Emilio says he will end his career in Honduras:

"The idea of finishing his playing career in Honduras is already taking shape because according to the forward, Olimpia manager Osman Madrid has already made him an offer and he accepted, although he admits it’s still a long time from now."

http://www.behindthebadge.com/2008/09/diezhn-interviews-luciano-emil.php

Posted by: hoyanick | September 23, 2008 7:07 PM | Report abuse

That's a good point;
If they build it in PG county don't bring your dog, and watch your back when you're driving out of the stadium parking lot -- especially if you aren't white -- as the cops may just decide to shoot you for sport.

But, other than that, it's a great idea.

Posted by: Hacksaw | September 23, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm not concerned about the crime in PG, I'm concerned about the cops.

:)

Posted by: JkR | September 23, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM

And (insanely in Chicago) NOT near public transport. What the hell were they thinking out there?

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 4:16 PM

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They (the Fire) were thinking that the village of Bridgeview took on the full debt service for the stadium. It's the village's risk, not the team's.

Posted by: kebzach | September 23, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

so many people on this blog seem to be so scared of crime in PG, whats the big deal, Ive lived here my whole life without getting raped or carjacked its not like its a war zone or something. Seriously stop the scared whining, what a bunch of wusses.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

the cops are definitely worth being scared of though....

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 7:23 PM | Report abuse

@Colm-

Don't be fooled into believing that the locations being suggested are far-flung outposts inconvenient to all. Both sites (Greenbelt Metro / New Carrollton Metro) are inside the beltway and on (obviously) on Metro lines. The difference in the metro ride to RFK vs New Carrollton is roughly 14 minutes.

We're aren't talking Frisco-Dallas here. It's 8 1/2 miles on the street from RFK to New Carrollton. 10 miles on the street from RFK to Greenbelt.

As a point of reference, Bridgeview is 14 1/2 miles on the street from Soldier Field

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 4:11 PM

I lived in Maryland for 21 years, I'm well aware of where things are.

Posted by: Colm | September 23, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Who cares where Emilio said he'll finish his career. Players say that stuff all the time. Jaime Moreno said he wants to finish his career in Oriente Petrolero(Bolivia) where he started, doesn't mean it'll happen.

About the stadium....well....uh....MD?...ah....oh......so how about them Redskins

Posted by: Dune | September 23, 2008 8:17 PM | Report abuse

To all the morons talking about the crime in PG county as an excuse not to attend games, DC United doesn't need you. Stay home, sit on your ass, and watch TV.

Posted by: dcfan | September 23, 2008 8:24 PM | Report abuse

As dcfan writes his message in his PG county home... his rims are stolen from his car, tires slashed, and mail box dented it


PG is the MD slums

Posted by: uptown n down | September 23, 2008 9:00 PM | Report abuse

"Whats with all the PG county bashing?"

Agreed - And what's wrong with Jersey? There are some nice spots.

Posted by: John | September 23, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Man, there are some suburban wusses on Insider today (in a last second edit I used a "w" instead of a "p" and removed the "i").

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...their fans were afraid to go to games because of the location. Now, it's not a problem - because there are many more cops around Yankee Stadium on game nights than anywhere else in the city. Anybody think DC is going to make that kind of commitment to appease soccer fans?

"...let's not kid ourselves. (Poplar Point is) not without serious problems....

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008

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Wow. Scared of all the scary urban folk in Anacostia (or PG County), are ya? You should get mugged just to help you grow a pair.

On a more substantive note, I just read the entire report. Kudos to PG County. This study is a serious effort to inform their decision-makers, and I, for one, am impressed.

Like most of us, I vastly prefer a SSS in DC, but...I also much prefer one in PG County to RFK any longer than absolutely necessary.

Of course some distance-traveling DCU supporters from VA will drop off. And that sucks for you. Seriously. That blows. The move of any "retail" business will see this sort of thing happen. But some MD fans -- including many in Baltimore -- will pick up the slack.

Somebody...somewhere...just build the %$#&ing thing!

Now back to our regularly scheduled zzzzzzzzz....

Posted by: KR in DC | September 23, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

"...Wake me up when they start building the damn stadium."

Yep...and Sub Prime was saying something along these lines when he cleverly pointed out that there is no way that anything like this stadium is going to get funded anywhere at this time.

Maybe in a couple of years when the banking mess and the underlying economic uncertainty settles...but not now or any time soon.

Hope they can find out where they stored this study when that happens. Right now I think it's an interesting dust-gatherer.

Posted by: seahawkdad | September 23, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

If they build it in PG county don't bring your dog, and watch your back when you're driving out of the stadium parking lot -- especially if you aren't white -- as the cops may just decide to shoot you for sport.

But, other than that, it's a great idea.

Posted by: Hacksaw | September 23, 2008 7:16 PM
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Wow. Scared of all the scary urban folk in Anacostia (or PG County), are ya?

Posted by: KR in DC | September 23, 2008 9:29 PM
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@ KR in DC -- No, I'm not scared. As I posted above, I have parked at the Anacostia metro for Nats games, and walked where no one is meant to, walking back from the park to the Metro station. With my comment I was trying to point out how absurd it is to read people bashing PG for a crime problem. No offense to the good folks that live in Anacostia, but it's a helluva lot more dangerous there than in Greenbelt, or New Carrolton. People are talking about Poplar Point like it's some paradise. It's a crack market and a trash dump. An urban wasteland. There's potential there, but right now, it would be hard to pick a rougher, more lawless place to situate the stadium.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Oops. I must have stumbled into the WTOP comments section by mistake. Thanks to many of you all for disabusing me of the notion that American soccer fans were somehow 'exceptional' when compared to other American sports fans. We are just as shallow and dumb as the rest.

Posted by: Greenbelt United | September 23, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Anyone watching the Puerto Rico Islanders play Santos on Galavision (I don't get the channel)?

This leg of ConcaChampions is apparently being played in tropical storm force rains and the home team PRI (those letters never were too popular in Northern Mexico) is winning 3-1. Just finished and it looks like Santos played a fair number of starters - they had one player and one head coach get tossed.

http://www.mediotiempo.com/concacaf/liga_campeones/2008_2009/ficha.php?id_partido=29055

Posted by: garbaggio | September 23, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

right on time garbaggio! I was checking in to see if anyone was watching anyother CCL action. I don't have FSC or Galavision and I am totally interested in the results... holding out on inviting myself over to my neighbors digs till tomorrow night!
Holla bout some Champions League thuggy bloggers!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Fisch -- you should try the GW Parkway to 395 north and onward into Lot 8. That's not as bad as the ways you're using. Then you can catch more games in the many years to come before a stadium is built or the team moves.

Of course lost in all the emotion is the reality that no one will continue to pay good money if this recent quality of play continues indefinitely, regardless of where they play.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 23, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

OWNTF -- thanks for the tip. I'm curious though. I went to G'town Law at night -- and the bridge over on 395 could be pretty backed up between 6-6:30. You don't run into problems there?

You're right about the impact quality will have -- especially when they have to field a reserve team for big tournaments.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Have any of the people who are bashing PG County ever actually been to Greenbelt? I lived in College Park for two years and did all my shopping in Greenbelt. It's a typical suburb. Nothing to be afraid of. And lots of restaurants (chains), which automatically gives it one advantage of RFK in my book. From any point in Greenbelt, you will be back on the Beltway in 5 minutes.

Meanwhile, on the other hand, if you take one wrong turn coming out of RFK and wind up on Benning Road...

I understand people from NOVA who don't want to drive farther. But let's not be complete elitists and site crime as a reason to stay away.

Posted by: DCUMD | September 23, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

The Champions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hope CONCACAF get's their act together and get's a theme song and a MAJOR beer sponsor!
Dang it I need FSC!!!!!!
Any video feed for this Saprissa/ Cruz Azul jawn?

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of CCL sponsors, did anyone else notice they only had advertising signboards around half the field at the DCU-Saprissa game? Maybe the other half were lost in transit...

Posted by: FC | September 23, 2008 11:10 PM | Report abuse

hey goff or anyone else -

any idea how much tickets will be for non-students at the maryland game this friday? also how early would you recommend getting to the game if i want to get seats??

Posted by: greginho | September 23, 2008 11:13 PM | Report abuse

A lot of us have families, jobs, lives and other commitments that will seriously cut down on my attendance at games.
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Spare me the whine, I'll match commitments to yours. Man up and drive the 15 extra minutes.

Posted by: OMG | September 23, 2008 11:21 PM | Report abuse

The thinly veiled racism in this thread is pretty stomach turning.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey anonymous mr. "OMG" why don't you STFU and let people make their own decisions about how to live their life without calling them a bad fan?

Posted by: Matthai | September 23, 2008 11:49 PM | Report abuse

if there was another thread on SI about what's happening and what's happened in our lovely western hemisphere champions league I'd be there hootin' and hollerin'..
This thing has turned into a garbage pile. We aren't going to be moving for quite a while so maybe all of us should STFU and start talking about how to smuggle in all this bootleg wine, beer, and food into RFK...Yeee haw. Cuz once we move to PG county I'm gonna be too scared to go to the game and I'll just have to watch it curled up with my binky in bed...

Posted by: dadryan | September 24, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

The people that put together the study should have used a current Metro map - the one posted does not have the two newest blue line stations in PG County. What does that say about the study?

Posted by: Herthafan | September 24, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

@herthafan : well it was conducted by some company based in Florida, right?
After watching the videos of Luci and Ivan on BTB I must admit after seeing Guerrero in the Romulan glasses I feel more connected to him and that he looks even more like the Bones Brigadeer Tommy Guerrero... These guys related or what?
I think a lot of us have maybe underestimated what Emilio and Guerrero themselves may be trying to bring to the table tomorrow... UHhhhm any word on the Sap/CA game?
Thanks for eyeballing the competition folks. It must be nice rolling over in bed to turn on ManU/Chelski, and you can spend all day whining about how lame DCU is but no one has anything to say about our own Champions League? Pretty lame soccer nerds.

Posted by: dadryan | September 24, 2008 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Islanders embarassed Santos. I live in North Carolina. I don't care where they build a stadium. Just build one already. By some land. Build a stadium. Use a front to purchase the land. tell Bush the taliban will use the area as a training camp, if they don't develop it for United. Tell fenty and the DC sports commision to go f@#k themselves.
We have plenty of space down here in NC. i will be more than happy to be season ticket holder as opposed to directkick purchaser. McFarland grow some.

Posted by: DC we don't want no stinkin stadiums | September 24, 2008 1:45 AM | Report abuse

Judging from the footage on Sky Sports, it looks like some of Sam's Army or SI regulars might have shown up at the Swansea-Cardiff game, to protest the inclusion of Eddie Johnson in the lineup. Police were shown using clubs to subdue the supporters, who must have been livid that coaches continue to play the hapless EJ. Hopefully, Bob Bradley will not make the same mistake at next USMNT game.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 24, 2008 2:16 AM | Report abuse

As a Pennsylvanian with season tickets, I find it hilarious the way people are saying DC is so much safer than PG County and how PG is so much farther than RFK. I know I'm not alone, many people currently drive 50-100 miles one way to see United. How someone can argue with a straight face that a move of 7-10 miles is a deal breaker is beyond me. You can move our stadium to the bowels of hell and you can bet I'll still show up to support the team.

Posted by: Crippled Keeper | September 24, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

What bothers me about this study is the experts doing the study still think DC United only plays 15 home games a year!!!

Posted by: danimal | September 24, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

The thinly veiled racism in this thread is pretty stomach turning.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 11:23 PM

You've got to be kidding me

Posted by: ?????????????? | September 24, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Jaime... Luci... Marcello... Welcome to MY house.

PG United! PG United!

:)

Posted by: Marylander | September 24, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

@????????????

Don't be obtuse.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 24, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

@????????????

Don't be obtuse.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 24, 2008 10:56 AM

If anything, you inferring that talk of crime problems is racial is itself racist. Give us all a break.

Posted by: ??????????????? | September 24, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

OK standup already

clap-clap, clap-clap-clap-clap

PG UNITED

Posted by: Changing the Chant | September 24, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

You didn't read the previous thread apparently.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 24, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

This whole bit about team names and localities is just hilariously absurd. Reminds me of several years ago when "Da Mare" (a.k.a. Richard M. Daley) threatened to sue the Chicago Fire if they continued to call themselves "Chicago" after leaving the city. Gee, given that there's a Chicago Cutlery Co. out in the Missouri sticks, I wonder how well suing the Fire would've worked out for Daley? Just absurd!

Posted by: Richard | September 24, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

A stadium outside the District?? I thought 90% of the fans would never support a team if they didn't play in DC. Come on people, protest this thing.

Posted by: Wait a Minute | September 24, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 24, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Stop whinning! DC has an opportunity to keep United in the city. DC is balkingonbuilding the stadium. Greenbelt or New Carolton is fine.

Posted by: jambar | September 24, 2008 9:30 PM | Report abuse

KEEP UNITED IN DC! PGC?!?! NO THANK YOU! This is a DISGRACE. At least put it in Northern VA if you take it out of DC. I'm so mad right now.

Posted by: Bryan | September 25, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

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