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Morning Kickaround

*Read about Cuban futbol's struggle for recognition in the land of beisbol.

*Strange occurrences at Pizza Hut Park last night: The Rapids scored (after 283 minutes), Mike Petke scored (for the first time in a year), Colorado won at Dallas (for the first time in more than seven years) and the Rapids triumphed on the road (for the first time in almost five months). The 1-0 victory vaulted the Rapids out of last place in the West and back into the playoff race. Christian Gomez: zero minutes. FCD's Andre Rocha was not in uniform because of an "internal matter."

Said FCD Coach Schellas Hyndman: "It always takes 90 minutes to win. It takes one second to lose. And that's the disappointing part; this was a game we needed to win. It was a desperation game for both teams, and I think we let ourselves down. I think we let our fans down."

All 7,140 of them.

*Keep track of construction progress at Red Bull Arena by clicking here.

*George Mason is aiming to set a home attendance record tonight at 8 p.m. when the Patriots (1-0-1) host Virginia (0-2). Maryland (1-1) opens its home schedule with an 8 p.m. match against Hartford (1-0) at Ludwig Field. The Terps will welcome Davidson on Sunday.

By Steve Goff  |  September 5, 2008; 8:31 AM ET
Categories:  CONCACAF , College Soccer , MLS  
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Comments

Weird that they aren't playing Gomez. Just hard to fathom.

Posted by: -K | September 5, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me why Pizza Hut Park is such an utter failure of a venue? Did the housing crisis stop the growth that was supposedly going to envelop the park and aid access? Is there just not enough interest in the team? Is it the strange openness of the venue?

Posted by: Logan Circle | September 5, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Maybe we can move PHP and plop it down in the RFK parking lot...

Posted by: -K | September 5, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

FCD's Andre Rocha was not in uniform because of an "internal matter."

Indigestion?

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm assuming Gomez's lack of playing time is due to some sort of personal/mental/player v. coach-type problem. I haven't read about any injury. One has to wonder if the same problem would have occurred if he were in DC this season? He's with a team that caved to his demands, he's getting paid what he wanted (or close enough to it) and he's got his guaranteed contract, but somehow there's still a problem. As much as we could use him, I'm happy United's front office didn't commit to him for 2 years as he wanted (or was it 3?).

Posted by: Beaker | September 5, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Georgetown plays Davidson today at 3pm, North Kehoe Field.

Posted by: hoyanick | September 5, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

http://www.redbullarena.us/arena-features.html

Seating Capacity Breakdown:

Lower Bowl
Premium Seats (west end): 1,116
General Seats: 9,823
Barrier Free and Companion seats: 340
Total - Lower Bowl: 11,279

Won't be opening that upper level then

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I heard somewhere that Gomez is simply out of shape and wasn't able to seriously contribute for more than 60 minutes.

Posted by: northzax | September 5, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Did the housing crisis stop the growth that was supposedly going to envelop the park and aid access?

Posted by: -K | September 5, 2008 9:09 AM

I think that this is going to be a big problem that MLS will face in the future. The country is (re)urbanizing and most of the SSS will be stranded in the boonies. Some (Toyota Park, etc.) with an appalling lack of easy public transport.

The other thing that hurts the growth of soccer is that American's don't particularly enjoy watching soccer. Doh! :-)

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

http://www.redbullarena.us/index.html

Beautiful stadium... wow.

Posted by: Aguinaga | September 5, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Well, the Red Bulls are building something while we're waiting to find out if or where we'll get a stadium in my lifetime. So that stings. Having said that, I would like to see artists renditions of the field at the Red Bull Vending Machine (copyright now, me) showing the ball going into the net, past a hapless RBNY keeper.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 5, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Redbull Arena is beatiful if it all goes smooth and built.
Americans don't get it what soccer is. They rather watch helmet bear hitting or guys with helmet standing games not a skillfull non-stop chellanging game.

Posted by: td | September 5, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"Won't be opening that upper level then"

Pathetic.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | September 5, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Virginia is 0-2. That's weird.

Posted by: Joe Doc | September 5, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

re Young international player: I figured he must be a pretty low profile because we couldn't afford real telant and would've made more buzz if he was a real star.
Carlos Will Meija not even on wiki.

Posted by: td | September 5, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Pathetic.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | September 5, 2008 10:01 AM

Isn't it? ;-)

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm assuming Gomez's lack of playing time is due to some sort of personal/mental/player v. coach-type problem. .

Posted by: Beaker | September 5, 2008 9:26 AM

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You assume wrong. Rapids interim coach, Smith, plays a completely different style game than Gomez. Gomez plays up the middle (Latin) and Smith has his roots in the English style game playing up the sides and serving crosses to bigger stronger players.

However, we (DCU) play a latin style game with short touches up the middle.

Gomez's style fits perfectly in our system as an attacking mid sitting right behind our strikers. You say you're happy that we let him go even though he brought us success over the last few years. If you call a US Open Cup a major tournament then you might as well stop posting now.

We let him go to strengthen ourselves in international tournaments and we looked worse this year.

It's a shame we let him go and now would be a great time to bring him back.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 5, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

FC Dallas can't sell tickets, plain and simple. There is very little emphasis put on advertising here, they just recently put up billboards promoting Hoops Nation. Only problem with that is non-soccer fans have no clue what the hell they are talking about. Plenty of people in Frisco don't know when the games are. And, its 30 mins from Dallas. Add all those things together, plus a terrible team, and I am amazed they got 7k last night.

Posted by: JL | September 5, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hoops Nation? I'm sure that Dallas fans are thinking that it is a Mavericks season-ticket drive.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Dallas always over states their attendance, as do most MLS teams, but in a small stadium like PHP its obvious. There is no way they had close to 7k last night. It is depressing but for anyone who watched the game we know that stadium was literally 10% full, no joke! We are talking closer to 2k. What an absolute embarrassment. PHP and DSG were expensive projects that were wastes of money because they are in the burbs. If Chicago wasn't at the top of the league it would be the same in Bridgeview, it was last year.

At least New York and RSL are building their stadiums in populated areas, particularly New York.

Posted by: Connor B | September 5, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

RE: PHP

If you had a choice of seeing a game this week in Frisco and you only could pick one, there is the utterly generic Rapids on a school night while 2 NFC East rivals are on TV during the middle of the Republican convention OR.... you could go see Club America, one of the most famous teams in Mexico on a Sunday.

And 7,000 was the announced attendance.... not the actual.

Posted by: AM | September 5, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Gomez has looked lousy here all season and he's clearly not fit. He's essentially been calling in his performances since he's been here. I don't know if it's the altitude or what, but he's really been ineffective. The new coach seems to be all about hard work and discipline, and Gomez just doesn't fit in either of those categories.

Anyway, isn't MLS great? One win and suddenly you're in the playoff hunt? All it takes is a good run at the end of the season and you're MLS champion.

On another note, can anyone name a successful sports franchise that wears light blue? Seems like Man City is the only one, and they aren't really all that successful.... Colorado needs new away uni's....

Posted by: Hacksaw | September 5, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else that Barcelona is very close to becoming a franchise in Miami? Go to goal.com and see for yourself.

Posted by: DC United Fan | September 5, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

The 1980s Phillies wore powder blue...

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

On another note, can anyone name a successful sports franchise that wears light blue?

Posted by: Hacksaw | September 5, 2008 10:53 AM

Not a "franchise", but Argentina have done pretty well in (bianco)celeste.

Colorado's woes have nothing to do with their rather nice away kits.

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

how about Carolina? Love that Tar Heels blue...

Posted by: voodoodiver | September 5, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else that Barcelona is very close to becoming a franchise in Miami? Go to goal.com and see for yourself.

Posted by: DC United Fan | September 5, 2008 10:55 AM

That would be the official "jump the shark" moment for MLS. Wrong city, wrong idea. Chivas have not worked in a solid area, so don't do it again in a terrible market. Barca and MLS might be able to pull off something like this in Brooklyn/Queens, but not Miami.

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I have to say that I am very concerned by the crowd sizes for soccer games around the country. MLS' success is not certain. Most of us would agree that some of the locations have been poor decisions, driven by short-sighted mentalities. Of course, it's cheaper to build out in the exurbs. Yet, for some reason, baseball teams are determined to build their gleaming new palaces in cities.

Soccer is not pro football, which is a Sunday afternoon thing, with a great tailgating tradition. There is some of that in the soccer culture here, but not enough to sustain it -- and that isn't even in the discussion for weeknight games.

I know the MLS was encouraged by their early successes. They were anxious to turn early profits, build stadiums on the cheap and sell the teams to profit-hungry owners. They've accomplished that, but I"m not sure they've laid the foundations for long-term success. It may be that penny-wise and dollar-foolish real estate decisions are actually setting the stage for the league's ultimate failure. The only thing that makes me optimistic is that since these stadiums were built cheaply, the teams aren't necessarily tied to them for survival. Let them serve as the excellent training facilities they were designed to be. Play the games where the people are.

The comment above, about the Dallas community having no idea what "Hoop Nation" refers to -- that is a telling point. The marketing of these franchises has been abysmal, and it starts with the names. The LA Galaxy gets crowds but FC Dallas does not. Sure, there are many factors at play there, but the naming of the teams is one factor. I don't know if it's one that can be fixed. With some things you only get one good shot at it. Brand familiarity and loyalty is one of those things. If the local sportscasters and the less rabid sports fans had an American-style nickname they could identify with the team, there might be greater brand identification.

You can't impose a European football culture. If the sport is going to succeed here, it will be with a uniquely American soccer culture. This may seem like an obvious point, but the MLS' recent resistance to the Seattle Sounders name demonstrates that the league simply doesn't get that point.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I dont understand Goff. He always calls out other teams for bad attendance, but there was nothing said about the 8K on wed night in RFK. He's such a Dc United groupie, its not even funny anymore.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The nearby Hokies have a home tournament for the mens and women's teams this weekend at their newly dedicated Thompson Field Friday and Sunday nights. You can even catch that other football team down there playing on Saturday. The 2007 College Cup team will be recognized during the football game.

Posted by: sitruc | September 5, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Well said Fisch. Although I don't think Garber's concentration on looking outside the US for branding is to blame. I commend him for trying to fix the ridiculous names MLS started with - "Hoops Nation" can't be any worse for the club than "Burn!" ("Next up on Sporscenter, Wiz-Burn, OUCH!")

I think Garber's results have been mixed (Real Salt Lake is a bridge too far), but I think Dallas has bigger concerns than their branding. Location, inconsistency and sh*t team coming to mind first.

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I also fail to comprehend the logic of the design of Red Bull Arena. Why so few seats on the West side? There should be numerous, prime viewing seats along the sidelines. The only thing that makes any sense in this regard is the cameras will be on that side, so the team must think there's no point in having people sit there. Better to cram everyone where the cameras will show them. Very cynical, if that's the logic. I'd resent having to buy seats behind the goal, if that's the reasoning.

Look at what they have planned for the West side, besides the luxury suites: * Media Seating: 100 seats to be located directly behind the player bench area.
* Main press area will be located directly behind bench areas in the lower bowl.

100 seats for the media? Are they kidding? How many baseball or football stadiums have 100 seats for media? Are they planning on having the World Cup there? Even with games between media-saturated markets, a dozen seats would probably suffice.

Right now, even the broadcast set-up seems a bit much. 3 television Broadcast areas. Which MLS game was ever broadcast by three different networks? I suppose this leaves room to grow -- 2 English language broadcasts (home and visitor) and one Spanish language (and/or FSC/ESPN network -- if the teams would ever want their own broadcasts in lieu of the national one). Still, it seems like a waste of space -- midfield, prime-viewing space.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

If the local sportscasters and the less rabid sports fans had an American-style nickname they could identify with the team, there might be greater brand identification.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:16 AM

Hate to point out the obvious, but DC United has done pretty well with a 'traditional' name over the years. Unless you think that we would have regular 20k+ attendances if we were called the 'Washington Spies' ? Also the attendance at Dallas has always been among the lowest in the league even when they were called the Burn. Perhaps the FC Dallas front office just sucks at marketing MLS.

Posted by: newxgate | September 5, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Soccer specific stadia in the suburbs do not work. Period. Chicago will be OK . DSG is a hopeless flop. PHP is a hopeless flop. CCS is a hopeless flop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know gobs of money will be made with concerts and tractor pulls. But sooner or later, someone with equity interest in these stadium properties is going to say, "What do we need the non-drawing, money-losing who-cares soccer team for?"

I quit watching the PHP game last night at half time because it is just depressing watching a socccer game in an empty stadium.

Posted by: Ron | September 5, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

UMD's Abe Thompson to KC.

That should help Dallas' offense! Duh.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Kev -- the problem with "Hoops" is that it isn't even the team name. You can't find it anywhere on the sports pages -- it's not in the standings. They're not the the Dallas Hoops. I would imagine that many soccer fans in the Dallas area have no idea that "Hoops" refers to the local soccer team. That awareness may come over time, if everyone takes to calling them the Hoops -- but, it's not a given.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

N. Daknow knows nothing. You're heart is so broken, you are delirious. I wish you luck in getting over Christian leaving you so alone...
Wally, would you have come to the Open Cup final if you were a United fan? A whole heck of a lot of people didn't come, but I would say the majority of hardcore fans did. Or regret not pulling some strings, and making the match.
Goff wasn't even in the country, what the hell would he have to say about it?

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"he LA Galaxy gets crowds but FC Dallas does not. Sure, there are many factors at play there, but the naming of the teams is one factor. I don't know if it's one that can be fixed. With some things you only get one good shot at it. Brand familiarity and loyalty is one of those things. If the local sportscasters and the less rabid sports fans had an American-style nickname they could identify with the team, there might be greater brand identification."


BS: DC United gets good crowds as does "Real" Salt Lake and Toronto FC.

If anything these three are an argument against Columbus Crew, Kansas City Wizards, Colorado Rapids, Tampa Bay Mutiny, New England Revolution and New York/NJ Metro Stars Red Bulls type names.....

There are far more "American style named" MLS teams failing at the gate than Traditional style ones.

Take away Beckham and Blanco and LA Galaxy and Chicago Fire would too.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I agree that the nickname might seem forced upon, but does it really matter when it comes to people turning up to watch a game? People in Dallas know that they've had a professional soccer team for 12 years, whether they may be Hoops, Burn or other. They are choosing not to drive to Frisco and watch them.

I object to the name because they don't even wear proper hoops in the first place. White number area in the back breaks them up ;-)

Posted by: Kev | September 5, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@ newxgate -- Washington DC is not Dallas, or Salt Lake City. True, the biggest factor in DCU's success at the gate has been their instant and consistent success on the field. But, DC has become an international city. We have immigrant populations from many countries, not just Mexico. Even the Anglos that live here are far more international in their perspective -- many are likely to have spent considerable time abroad. The culture here is different. What works here might not work in the heartland.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Besides, "United" functions as a team nickname. DC United is equivalent to Washington Capitals.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

wally says about Goff "He's such a Dc United groupie, its not even funny anymore."

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first off -- Goff wasn't even at that game (Open CUp final), and did not report on it. Secondly, if you knew anything about the man, you wouldn't say that. He is NOT a diehard DC United fan. He likes them sure, but it is his job. A job he does extremely well.

Wally -- that was a totally ridiculous comment to make.

Posted by: steve-o | September 5, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Thompson to KC? Ugh. Thompson to Washington is what I wanted to hear.

Might just make my way to Fairfax tonight to catch the Patriots. It'll bring back great memories of our friend Gordon Bradley on the sideline.

Posted by: Joe Doc | September 5, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Besides, I still think at least one US team should use "SC" for "Soccer Club" in its name....

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 5, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Battery could become Charleston SC?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Or "Cary SC"...

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

A goalkeeper who blackmailed a top Premier League footballer over a sex video has been jailed for 20 months.

Ex-Manchester City trainee Ashley Timms, 22, demanded £15,000 from the star, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

Timms, from Middleton, Greater Manchester, made a series of threats to publish the images if he was not paid the cash.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Goff was'nt at the game last night either, and he still reported on the attendance. Steve-o, your response makes no sense.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Greenbelt will be nice, you'll see.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 5, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

In cities like Dallas, KC and LA there is no vibrant downtown to put a SSS stadium. For Lakers games fans come down to Staples Center and flee after the game. In KC there really isn't a traditional downtown area. I was in downtown Dallas on a weeknight once and we thought they had issued a mandatory evacuation.

Posted by: CD | September 5, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised there isn't more moaning about how DCU could've had Abe...

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I took 495 to the B-W parkway to get to RFK on Wednesday night and the traffic was really, really light. It should be a piece of cake to get to Greenbelt for the weeknight games.

OTOH, by the time the stadium is built, I can ride the Purple Line.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 5, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

The Purple Line? Is that a euphemism?

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

NO Wally, you make NO SENSE.
Was anyone aside from "the PB" expecting more than 9k for the open cup final? For only a few weeks notice, I'd say the attendance figure was just fine. Die hard fans who could find the time and money to invest the game did, watched United hoist the trophy, and have a great memory to savor.
Done Deal Dude.
My guess is that if another MLS team had made the final we would have seen a couple thousand more. NO offense to Charleston, their support was admirable.

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Get your mind out of the gutter.
http://www.purplelinemd.com/

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Re: the Open Cup, I would have been there, business took me to Ottawa. The problem with tournament finals in a single elimination format is the fans and the team don't know when the games will be. Remember, after DCU beat NE, the possibility remained that the final would be in Seattle if Charleston lost. That gave DCU about 3 weeks to plan and market a weeknight game during the school year.

On Colorado, Dallas and Gomez. I tried to watch parts of that game last night but the football was so dire it was unwatchable. Dallas and Colorado have to be two of the least technically talented sides in MLS, the Dallas midfield couldn't string passes together and Colorado might be the most unattractive team in the league.

Re Gomez: it's not just the style doesn't suit him, the rest of the players suck so there is no one else to pick up the slack. In other words, it would be like last year when Moreno and Emilio were out, except in Colorado, there isn't even a Fred or Olsen to fall back on.

Posted by: griffin1108 | September 5, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

There is no way they had close to 7k last night. It is depressing but for anyone who watched the game we know that stadium was literally 10% full, no joke! We are talking closer to 2k.
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Could it be that most people were sitting on the same side as the cameras? If so, that shows stupidity on the part of FCD/PHP management, sort of like filling the upper deck at RFK before selling seats in the lower deck.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 5, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Mike Petke is the man! sweet goal.

Gomez is on his way out of CO. Maybe he can be Gallardo's backup??

Posted by: bobf | September 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Tonight's GMU-UVA game can be followed on a gametracker:

http://gomason.cstv.com/multimedia/gema-multimedia.html

It looks as if the game from Ludwig Field may have Internet video coverage:

http://umterps.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/sched/md-m-soccer-sched.html

Posted by: The Jeff | September 5, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike Petke is the man! sweet goal.

Gomez is on his way out of CO. Maybe he can be Gallardo's backup??

Posted by: bobf | September 5, 2008 1:17 PM

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How do you back up a player who is on the bench?

Posted by: OWNTF | September 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of the Pink MetroBulls, Roberto Donadoni is in the news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/7598744.stm

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 5, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Nice
Mason-UVA game, let's get it on
Should be a good game, count me in for this one.

Anyone know if Adus little brother still plays for Mason

Posted by: Thora | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

So how many more months before Rocha Leave FCD because he is getting pulled out so much?

Any predictions?

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | September 5, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Watch the Col-Dallas highlights...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I was just watching the Red Bull Arena webcam and I saw a Cadillac pull up. The driver got out, popped open the trunk and picked up a large -- and obviously heavy --object that appeared to be wrapped in a bed sheet (stained, at that). He then dropped it in what appeared to be wet cement at the base of one of the I-beams.

Don't know what to make of it...

Posted by: Joe Doc | September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

wally -- goff was traveling during the DCU game. if not, he would have reported it, and I'm sure he would said something about the attendance.

DCU rarely draws only 8,000 or so a match, where it happens for many clubs on a consistent basis.

don't be a j@ckass. everyone on this blog would probably agree with me on this.

Posted by: steve-o | September 5, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if Adus little brother still plays for Mason

Posted by: Thora | September 5, 2008 1:46 PM
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http://gomason.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/mtt/gema-m-soccer-mtt.html

And you will notice that Clint Peay, DCU right back emeritus, is one of Andrulis' assistants. (Interestingly, CP is also a Virginia alum.)

Posted by: The Jeff | September 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Folks, Gomez is gone. It's over. We have a #10 that has done just as well statistically, contributes more defensively, has more top-level experience, and gets more out of his central midfield partner. He got hurt, as old players tend to do; you can't reason that because Gallardo got hurt he's worse than Gomez. For all we know, Gomez would have gotten hurt and been out longer (his general fitness level appears lower than Gallardo's, which with a muscular injury means an even longer recovery period).

270:

Your talk of new stadiums and Purple Lines makes me wonder what I'll look like with a full head of gray hair. Will I need a walker by then? Will there be hoverboards like in Back to the Future II?

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 5, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Could it be that most people were sitting on the same side as the cameras? If so, that shows stupidity on the part of FCD/PHP management, sort of like filling the upper deck at RFK before selling seats in the lower deck.

Great comment and I noticed this too! If I were with ESPN, would have demanded that cameras be placed to show some short of crowd....so many empty seats just doesn't help the MLS cause on TV! The supporter groups should ALWAYS be on TV, (aka BB & SE)thus even if there are

Posted by: moupper90 | September 5, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Former Brazil coach Emerson Leao was the victim of a vicious attack by a group of hooligans on Thursday.

The 1970 World Cup winner was attacked by nine men at Santos' headquarters in Vila Belmiro, where he was collecting a payment the club owed him.

'I was a victim of a very strong, violent act. The tried to hit me with an iron bar. If they hadn't failed, I wouldn't be here to tell the story,' said Leao before making the police report.

This is not the first time that Leao has been victim of the Santos fans' fury. Stones were hurled at his car when he left the club in May.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

SMOKE!

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Steve-o, i was'nt trying to be a "j@ackass". I was only pointing out the fact that goff, always calls out every other team in the league when they have a badly attended game. But he's giving DCU a free ride on this one. This is not being an ogjective journalist. This is called showing favoritism to a franchise.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Hacksaw: "All it takes is a good run at the end of the season and you're MLS champion"

Like DC in '96 and '04?

Ron: "Soccer specific stadia in the suburbs do not work. Period. Chicago will be OK . DSG is a hopeless flop. PHP is a hopeless flop. CCS is a hopeless flop"

Most Dallas people will tell you that the team has done poorly at the gate ever since the Southlake debacle, even after they went back to the Cotton Bowl. The northern area of Dallas is growing tremendously, and is as accessible to much of the Metroplex as anywhere else. Remember DFW isn't one of your East Coast stack-everyone-on-top-of-everyone cities, so people actually drive somewhere.

As for Columbus, CCS is 5 miles from downtown right off a major Interstate, IIRC. It's location has nothing to do with the lower ticket sales.

"I quit watching the PHP game last night at half time because it is just depressing watching a socccer game in an empty stadium."

Not much of a fan of the game then, are you?

Posted by: Eric B | September 5, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Sad, Sad, Sad.

Dadryan...you actually think that we've had a successful campaign this year? What a joke. Peralta, the injured $2M man Gallardo , Niell...LOL...the only person that is having success is Martinez. LMAO. I love your posts, keep them coming.

DP should have filled a slot where we needed help.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Anon: "Take away Beckham and Blanco and LA Galaxy and Chicago Fire would (fail) too."

Yea, because neither team ever drew before that. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Eric B | September 5, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Wally, what part of the 3 weeks to promote the match don't you get? Very little notice for folks to change/or make plans dude.
Not to mention the fact that kids just went back to school, labor day, summer's over blues, etc. Ohhh and let's not forget about the series finale the Nats were having with the God dang Phillies...
Why weren't you on here talking about how few fans United drew in the earlier rounds @ the Soccer Plex?
Get a grip bro. If United draws this low again during any non league games, come on back and bring it up. I know, I know, that won't happen.

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

La got 12K for the superliga final last year,on 2 and a half weeks notice.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Wally, that's a stupid comparison. Superliga with Pachuca in the final??? Seriously. Think about it.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous post above is mine.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 5, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

LA had that Beckham guy AGAINST A MEXICAN TEAM.

Duh.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, I thought dc united is the flagship franchise in mls. You guys always brag about how you guys are the best fans and how you set an example for the league. and you can't get more than 8K for a final.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

"Could it be that most people were sitting on the same side as the cameras? If so, that shows stupidity on the part of FCD/PHP management, sort of like filling the upper deck at RFK before selling seats in the lower deck."

IIRC, PHP is like most of the league's stadiums in that the expensive seats, the press box, and the television cameras are almost always on the same side as to not be looking into the sun.

Posted by: Eric B | September 5, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

N. Daknow:Gallardos gettin' 2 mil? Martinez is the only one finding success? Why are talking about players who've been waived and forgotten? You don't make much sense. We needed another playmaker, and we went out and got one. One trophy, which is bigger than the superliga trophy mind you and a berth in next year's CCL isn't success? Let me get some of what your smoking dude.
Wally: you had to bring up a Beckham match didn't you? I gotta say 12k for Becks is a pretty small draw, considering many dudes like yourself obviously get hot and bothered at every opportunity they have to sweat Golden Balls.

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Dadryan,

How did we do in Champion's cup and Superliga this year? That's what I thought. We beat the freakin Rhino's in the Open Cup final. WOW!!! It's funny that Gallardo nearly makes more in one match than the entire team gets for winning the Open Cup.

I'm done. N. Daknow 1 - Dadryan 0

Posted by: Anonymous | September 5, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

No, DCU beat the Battery.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Right RK?
N. Daknow, you need to change your handle to sh#t for brains.

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, I thought dc united is the flagship franchise in mls. You guys always brag about how you guys are the best fans and how you set an example for the league. and you can't get more than 8K for a final.

Posted by: wally | September 5, 2008 3:26 PM
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Oh don't be sorry. Any reasonable person can agree that the club who won 12th major trophies in 13 year old league is hard to argue whether we are a flagship franchise of mls or not regardless of one time low attendance. And we made atmostpher like it was full unlike Beckham lovers/drewlers who come and sit.

Posted by: td | September 5, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

And, as we all know, those USL teams are terrible and should be playing against high school teams.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Dadryan. LMAO.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 5, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

RK, you're right on both accounts. It was the Battery and they are basically high school teams ...either way I don't really follow high school soccer all that closely.

Dadryan, bottom line is that we brought in all of these players this year to win international tournaments. So we got a berth next year into the CL...what does that prove? If history repeats itself, we'll go there and get stomped on. I have bigger dreams than beating high school teams. But, to each his own.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 5, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I can't see MLS getting anywhere in the big international tournaments until things (roster size, salaries) change.

Posted by: RK | September 5, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Georgetown plays Davidson today at 3pm, North Kehoe Field.

Posted by: hoyanick | September 5, 2008 9:42 AM
.........................................

This has a matchtracker:

http://guhoyas.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/sched/gu-m-soccer-sched.html

The Hoyas are up 2-0 midway through the second half.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 5, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Open cup is what it is. United had to beat Chicago, and New England while more depleted than they are right now just to get to the final to play said,"highschool" team.
Bottom line is you're coming out here talking about why, and how United isn't living up to your high expectations, meanwhile you can't be bothered to pay enough attention to who they are playing, or following the team enough to have any idea what you're trying to talk about.
You are talking like a typical "sky is falling, fair weather fan" who hasn't even let anything play out yet. Everyone in MLS has more than enough games left to win,lose or draw their way out of the playoffs United included. This is why I attend, or watch on television, or computer Every single game United plays. Start doing the same your self an/or STFU.
You're LYAO? I know I spew some crazy stuff here sometimes, but at least I know the fixtures.

Posted by: dadryan | September 5, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm not so exercised by us not trying to land Abe Thompson as I am our not trying to land Hercules Gomez. Herc just cost draft picks which we usually don't do very well with, because we're wedded to snagging fragile South Americans.

Posted by: Hedbal | September 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

With regard to attendance at the USOC championship game, the proper basis for comparison consists of similar events in previous years. If you look that up at Wikipedia, you will see that 8,200 is about par for the course; in recent years, the crowds have been in the 6K-10K range. It is amazing how such a factoid, about as unremarkable as the fact that the sun rose in the east this morning, has generated such heated discussion.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 5, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: td | September 5, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Won't be opening that upper level then"

Pathetic.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan


Only when teams other than the Red Bulls are the attraction. You know, Real Madrid, LA Galaxy, etc.

You are right once again John, it is truly pathetic. It must be a tough lot.

Posted by: marksman | September 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

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