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Soehn Speaks

Before we get to Coach Tom's comments, Gonzalo Peralta (hamstring) says he is not ready to play tomorrow, Luciano Emilio (groin) says he thinks he will be fine to play substantial minutes and Jaime Moreno says he has had swelling in a knee and will have to see whether he'll be available against Saprissa.

Soehn, on Marcelo Gallardo returning to Argentina for rehab.....

"We had a lot of discussions and, at this time, that is what he felt was going to help him. We have exhausted all resources to try and get him back. That is the next step."

How frustrating or disappointing has it been to not have him available much since late June?

"You could probably answer that for me. I will let you assume. You will probably be pretty close."

Were you aware of his health history?

"He has been in some big clubs and no one ever diagnosed him with a sports hernia. Whether it was the grind of this season or he came with it, that's unclear but it doesn't change the fact that he is not available right now. That's the real issue."

On the defensive performance vs. Dallas?

"I was really disappointed because it wasn't an inexperienced lineup out there, the back four. They are veterans, they have played enough games. ... We gave away clear opportunities because we weren't careful with the ball and we forced Louis [Crayton] to do things that I don't want him to have to do every game. Obviously, during the flow of games, there are going to be breakdowns and your keeper is called upon, but the situations we created were just bad giveaways and bad defending. He had to save us time and time again, and that's just too much pressure on any keeper in general."

Thoughts on DCU's direction?

By Steve Goff  |  September 15, 2008; 12:08 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

I think Novak said it best: Send them to the hospital!

Posted by: FC Morton | September 15, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

As a longtime DCU fan I hate to say it, but Gallardo is rapidly heading toward becoming the biggest bust in MLS history. (cf. Reyna, Claudio).

Posted by: edgeonyou | September 15, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the awesome reporting Goff.

I am concerned about the direction of DC, especially after watching the 1998 DVD they gave away on Saturday...

Posted by: strago | September 15, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I do wonder if it was a preexisting condition that Gallardo has?
Sounds like there is at least a tiny bit speculation about that expressed by Soehn.
Tell Gallardo to go swimming in the ocean waves. This is my ancient hawaiian remedy for getting rid of scar tissue. Stop pussy footin' around and go get tossed around in the surf!

Posted by: dadryan | September 15, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Wait til next year!!

Posted by: voyager | September 15, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Is it time to get Gomez back? He's not feeling any love in Colorado these days. I'm just saying...

Posted by: Disillusioned | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

We should have a new stat to assess player's by: avg minutes per game in a season; avg minutes per game over the last two years, average minutes per game over three years, etc. Then maybe the Gallardo's of this world would look less interesting when huge sums have to be ponied up for minimal minutes. All of our Argentines are a bust this year, including Peralta who has been just as "ausente" as Gallardo.

And what is Tommy thinking when he says he had a veteran lineup in the backline -- yeah a veteran lineup of re-tooled midfielders with a deomonstrated capacity for giving up two goals a game! Burch has a left foot but can't defend and McTavish has heart but is overmatched and has been all season. What makes Tommy think Kenny Cooper will take a night off when he sees those two guys in front of him?

Here's hoping the two new defenders have some ability and know how to play their positions or Peralta gets over his sniffles otherwise we are in for a lot of heartache.

Posted by: noname | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully we bought him a one way ticket. Hardly gave any effort when he was healthy and now he is "injured". Must be a nice gig if you can get it.

We looked better with Tino in the middle than we did when he played anyway.

Posted by: Fan | September 15, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I was thinking/hoping our health would be getting better about now. This isn't good.

Posted by: Kire | September 15, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Off topic good news: Papa John's is still honoring their Redskins Monday pizza special. You pay $9.99 for a cheese pizza, you get a free topping for every touchdown and double toppings if they win.
No I don't work at PJ's,but that's a large pizza with 6 toppings for a pretty good price delivered to your door. Don't sleep.
Considering the predictions for the Skins, victories like yesterday's don't come that often, but when they do why not make it Pizza day?

Posted by: dadryan | September 15, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

People are letting their frustration with the awful start and the injuries carry them away. There's a difference between being overpriced and being a "bust." There's a difference between acquiring a wave of players (with some working out and others not) and sitting pat while your team suffers through injuries anyway (how well do you think last year's team would have done down the stretch without Fred, Emilio, and Olsen for large periods of time?).

Heading into next season, we will have Moreno, Emilio, Fred, Tino, Guerrero, Martinez, Simms, Namoff, McTavish, Burch, Crayton, Peralta, and Gallardo under contract. Your call whether you want to consider Olsen and Vide as assets for that list as well. Now, I don't know how much room there will be under the cap, but I'm pretty happy with those guys. That's most of a damn sight better lineup than many teams in this league can hope to field next year. Add a quality center back, and you've got a serious MLS Cup contender.

Will the depth still suck? Sure! It's MLS... we don't need no stinkin' reserves! If half a dozen guys get injured again, then we'll be up the creek. Should the FO be concerned about health issues? Absolutely. Should they consider whether they can do better than Soehn? Sure.

Are you, the DCU fan, entitled to trophies every year? No. Cope.

Posted by: Grunthos | September 15, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Tino played well, but he pales in comparison to Gallardo.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 15, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still counting on Moreno for NEXT season?
He is done, lets bring in some new faces faster strikers. People just dont want to let go. Everybody is still crying over Gomez, the bamma is on the bench in Colorado. Lets move on, we have great potential on the wings!
I have no confidence on Emilio in the CCL, like allways he is going to dissappear in the game. He starts off hot for the first 15 mins then fades away with the rest of the team!
Injury or not..like a friend would say.."1.9 million for that"

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Are you, the DCU fan, entitled to trophies every year? No. Cope.

Posted by: Grunthos | September 15, 2008 1:01 PM
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Luckily, we have one that's our entry into international competition next year (not the Atlantic Cup :-). I think we'll have to settle for that and, as you write, look forward to next year.

At the All-Star break, I had some hope that we'd turn it on because, historically, the MLS season has been one of two halves. But the injuries are too much to overcome.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Moreno's contract is for next year, as well, IIRC.

Posted by: RK | September 15, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

G'day mates. Don't know why you are complaining about Gallardo. It's tough carrying that large pay packet to the bank each week, a man could injure himmself you know.

Posted by: Harry Kewell | September 15, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

DCU's direction appears to be away from South America and toward Africa, which may not be a bad move. Four of the five South Americans picked up in the off-season have been disappointments, either due to poor play (Carvello, Niell) or multiple injuries and long recovery (Gallardo, Peralta). Add this to a taxing schedule and other injuries and the outlook isn't great for the rest of the year. That said, it is what it is and the team needs to go forth from here, hopefully with fan support.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Is it time to get Gomez back? He's not feeling any love in Colorado these days. I'm just saying...

Posted by: Disillusioned | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM

OK, let's summarize...not good enough to start for the Rapids, but will help DCU? Really?

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Can we face it that Gallardo is not Veron? When DCU couldn’t secure Veron they went with a quick haphazard solution as they had already lost Gomez. Veron would have been a great pick-up and he had a great season last year and is playing well this year…had Gallardo stayed in France he would still be riding the bench for good reason, he’s not that good anymore and he definitely doesn’t warrant a DP title and salary in MLS.

A DP should be used to put butts in the seat (Beckham and Blanco) or because they have incredible skill (Donovan, Emilio and Angel). Gallardo lacks both, his name doesn't sell jerseys or tickets and his skill doesn't win games.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

We shouldn't stop with just getting back Gomez.

How about Petke? Or Predoux? Or Albright? Mike Burke from Richmond? Mario Gori has to be available, right? Raul Diaz Arce is looking pretty fit.

Thanks for the update on Papa John's, dadryan. I'm picking up two pies tonight.

Can DC United get a similar deal with, say, Bonefish Grill? Half off tilapia with each win, and free mashed spuds with every goal.

Posted by: Joe Doc | September 15, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still counting on Moreno for NEXT season?
He is done, lets bring in some new faces faster strikers. People just dont want to let go. Everybody is still crying over Gomez, the bamma is on the bench in Colorado. Lets move on, we have great potential on the wings!
I have no confidence on Emilio in the CCL, like allways he is going to dissappear in the game. He starts off hot for the first 15 mins then fades away with the rest of the team!
Injury or not..like a friend would say.."1.9 million for that"


Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM

Wow...thanks for the gripes but no solutions. "Bring in some new faces, faster strikers"...do you not learn from recent history? What do you think they've been doing...and how has that worked out so far? As for Moreno being "done", maybe he's not what he once was, but he's probably the comeback story in MLS this season versus last with a new found abilty to score from the run of play. He's our best playmaking option while Gallardo is sidelined, and frankly is DCU MVP this year.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

It just so happens we *are* entitled to trophies every year. Cope.

Posted by: Ron | September 15, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@edgeonyou,

I'm really sorry. Having watched MLS from 1996, Lothar Matthaus has the title of biggest MLS bust enshrined in Oneonta, NY.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@ Grunthos

EXCELLENTLY PUT!! I don't understand this noise either. If the guy is injured he's injured, regardless of what he costs or how much he makes. What do you guys want the team to do, fieled an injured player who is under contract for another year? I don't get it. Hurt is hurt and I don't see how that correlates to talent, mettle or heart. Gomez is gone, GET OVER IT!! Or you can always switch allegiances and support the Rapids. No one is holding you back.

We have players dropping like flies and games to be played. Let's support the team and the players (healthy and otherwise). I mean Benny get's our undying love and attention - rightfully earned indeed (this is not a knock on Benny but brought up to make a point). But is Gallardo that much less a United player because he's new? He's played for us when he can, hurt for us, scored for us and showed us love, and this is what we give him? For being hurt?

We've won games without Gallardo. The others guys will suit up just the same. Hopefully we get Gallardo back before the end of the season (especially if we are still playing meaningful games), but the other guys will play and the team will still exist without him.

Posted by: Kosh | September 15, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I-270, Exit 1,

The Coffee Pot Cup?

Posted by: B.A. | September 15, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Gallardo is a bust for next year - and MGT is still willing to deal for a DP - who would be a likely target? After reviewing this question, it looks like i am thinking that the next stretch of schedule will be too tough to handle with our current condition.

Posted by: question | September 15, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still counting on Moreno for NEXT season?
He is done, lets bring in some new faces faster strikers. People just dont want to let go. Everybody is still crying over Gomez, the bamma is on the bench in Colorado. Lets move on, we have great potential on the wings!
I have no confidence on Emilio in the CCL, like allways he is going to dissappear in the game. He starts off hot for the first 15 mins then fades away with the rest of the team!
Injury or not..like a friend would say.."1.9 million for that"

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 1:16 PM

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Your post provides absolutely NO insight. It's so awful that I wish I could delete it.

You essentially state we should swap everyone out...in case you haven't noticed, we tried this last year and look where it got us.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 15, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Is it time to get Gomez back? He's not feeling any love in Colorado these days. I'm just saying...

Posted by: Disillusioned | September 15, 2008 12:35 PM

OK, let's summarize...not good enough to start for the Rapids, but will help DCU? Really?

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 1:21 PM

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Let me address this once and for all because these posts seem to continuously pop up.

Coaches have styles and systems. Gomez does not fit in Colorado's. PERIOD!

Did he fit in ours??? ABSOLUTELY! (Reference our success the last 3 years) Will he come back, probably not because the FO burned that bridge.

As for your comment, what sort of research have you done? Did you watch all of Colorado's games to start the season on direct kick? I don't think so considering your post states that your opinion is based on the Colorado coach.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I am not an apologist for the FO, but lets think about some things here. We did get Martinez, who is a very good MLS defender, Crayton, a good choice so far considering Wells could not even catch the Bubonic plague, and had the guts to bring in Quaranta. They did so some nice things and did what they could with what they were given. Moreno, while old, is keeping us afloat. Are you also going to crush the FO for bringing in Fred and Emilio since they have been banged up all season?

Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't. You can't judge Gallardo because he is not on the field. I am sure the FO would love to have Gallardo on the pitch or the salary cap space to sign someone that is not hurt, but those are the breaks. This thing happens in professional sports all the time.

Posted by: therealfootball | September 15, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Can I play with a helmet?

Posted by: Josh Gros | September 15, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

we should swap out everyone

Posted by: down not out | September 15, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

What the heck? Gallardo is the man. It took the guys a little longer to jell than I anticipated, but just before he got injured we were really on a tear. Or did you forget? I hope he comes back 100% next year, cause if he does we're gonna rock. If we can get him back AND Olsen, we'll be a lock for the treble.

Posted by: Matte | September 15, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@ N. Daknow re: Gomez.

ANOTHER WELL STATED POST. When I look at Gomez suffering in Colorado I see an awesome player who left a team that knows how to work with the ball and went to a team that likes to run around a lot. While this is not my cup of tea it is no knock on the Rapids system, it just happens to be how they play and interpret the game.

Asking a 30+ year old creative playmaker who let's the ball do most of the work to chase a ball around all day can be quite taxing. I don't see Gomez's floundering on a Rapids bench as evidence of a dramatic downward spiralling skill set (yes age catches up to all of us, but not that fast). To me it appears that they are just not using him properly. That does not in any way mean that he is not good enough for DC or anyother MLS team for that matter.

That is as much a Gomez rant one will get out of me.

Posted by: Kosh | September 15, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Let me address this once and for all because these posts seem to continuously pop up.

Coaches have styles and systems. Gomez does not fit in Colorado's. PERIOD!

Did he fit in ours??? ABSOLUTELY! (Reference our success the last 3 years) Will he come back, probably not because the FO burned that bridge.

As for your comment, what sort of research have you done? Did you watch all of Colorado's games to start the season on direct kick? I don't think so considering your post states that your opinion is based on the Colorado coach.

Posted by: N. Daknow | September 15, 2008 1:56 PM

Good try, and thanks for the opening. No, I haven't seen every Rapids game known to man this season, but I've watched plenty via Direct Kick to see a decline in Gomez, at least in my opinion. I don't think he's equal to a healthy Gallardo in any system, but that begs the question of how healthy Gallardo will be going forward. Regardless, I don't think living in the past (at least the past 3 seasons) is the answer.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Emilio & Jaime as subs off the bench tomorrow, so they can rest to play Saturday? Who's with me?

Keeping with the discussion, considering both their schedule this year, and the games lost to injury, the fact that they could still get into the playoffs (maybe to the final, if they got past Houston) brings me slight optimism.

Posted by: Section 130 | September 15, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

As for Gomito, his fitness sucked last year, too. Maybe it's worse this year, maybe it's not. We, here, don't know. We can say that he was in the perfect situation here -- whereas he's not suited to the style the Rapids want to play. If Gomez had been in better shape last season, my guess is that the FO would not have been so lukewarm in negotiations with him. That said, he could be an asset here -- especially with Gallardo's injury problems.

As for Moreno -- he certainly doesn't look done. He's created goals, he's scored goals. If he hadn't been there to rescue the team's butts up in Germantown, we wouldn't have won the Open Cup. True, he made one of the wost PK efforts I've seen a couple of weeks ago, but if you try to be so cheeky as often as he does, it's going to happen sooner or later. He's shown a remarkable ability to adapt to diminishing speed and power, and still looks better than anyone else on the team half the time. Want him back next year? You bet -- even if it is for just one long goodbye.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 15, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo is a very different player than Gomez - it took the whole team several weeks to get used to his style and then they rolled for 6 weeks before his injury. Hardly a bust in my eyes.

And while the starting 11 for '98 was stronger, I've never seen DCU with anything approaching the kind of depth they have now.

Moreno done? At 34 he's averaging 80 minutes a game with 10 goals and 9 assists and apparently he learned how to head the ball over the winter. The only reason he should retire is to seel whatever elixir he's been drinking.

Posted by: Matt | September 15, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

can we start up the Zizou to DC talk again?

Posted by: let the rumors be true | September 15, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@Fisch Fry:
Dude, I'm with you. Moreno is still more dangerous than just about anybody in the league with the ball at his feet. He used to NEVER get dispossessed, now he RARELY gets dispossessed. The guy is solid gold.

Posted by: Matte | September 15, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Why are people still counting on Moreno for NEXT season?
He is done, lets bring in some new faces faster strikers.

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Moreno - 22/24 games played, 10 goals, 9 assists. I wish more DCU players were "done".

Posted by: Ash | September 15, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey WashingtonDips, look up Jaime Moreno's current stats for this season and report back to the class. Thanks....

Posted by: DirtyHarry | September 15, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

$1.9 million???

You Americans are suckers. I bought the whole Sierra Fisheries (now FC Kallon) club for $30,000!

Posted by: Mohamed Kallon | September 15, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

The sky is falling, the sky is falling!

Please remember, we did at least win one piece of hardware this season. I still have hope for more.

Posted by: beltwayrob | September 15, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

You Americans are suckers. I bought the whole Sierra Fisheries (now FC Kallon) club for $30,000!

Posted by: Mohamed Kallon | September 15, 2008 2:46 PM
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I just bought Lehman Bros. for a box of Cheerios.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I just bought Lehman Bros. for a box of Cheerios.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 15, 2008 3:01 PM

You got ripped off then. It's now trading at .19 I think - well below a box of Cheerios...even the mini-box size.

Posted by: downtown | September 15, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

EDIT: unless you meant the entire company!

Posted by: downtown | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

"Face it I suck, someone of you are either blind, Argentinean, or are stuck in 98, ITS TIME TO GO HOME TO MAMI"

Posted by: Gallardo | September 15, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Did Gallardo help win that championship???

Posted by: dc fan | September 15, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

and regarding DCU - big time loses. I wasn't expecting much to come out of this season anyway. I had my hopes that the team would start to really light it up once all were healthy, but that never happened. As far as Gallardo, I find it strange like many of you, but really - if that's what it's going to take to make him happy and help him heal in one way or another, that's fine. It's a tough point in the season to do it, but if he wasn't going to play, he wasn't going to play. let's just hope he gets back into form and can help out with the games in the post season (assuming we're in) or afterward.

Posted by: downtown | September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

You Gallardo Lovers are in denial

Posted by: LA NORTE | September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

I-270, Exit 1 word on the street is that you was robbed! :)

Thank you Koroma for allowing me to see a post on SI, in my lifetime, that referenced Fisheries. Ah, the memories when Fisheries were the perpetual alsorans to the perinnial heavyweights - Black Pool and Lions. At such low, low pices perhaps I can one day buy the Kono Diamond Stars and setup some type of feeder system with DC United...anything's possible. :)

Posted by: Kosh | September 15, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

1. I was a huge Gomez fan and really appreciate all he did for this club. But if you go back and read posts from his first season here until last year, a continuing issue was conditioning, inability to finish games. He too suffered hernia injuries. And he started slow last year as well. None of that is meant to condemn him. But I think he's a player who's game is declining and DCU was right not to offer him guaranteed money. I would not be surprised if he is out of MLS next season. I wish Gomez well but it's foolish to argue we should acquire him. Not only is the deadline now past but we don't have the cap room (we'd have had to move Emilio).

2. Gallardo a bust? Hardly. When he's played, he's been a very positive factor. He's even been a goal scorer (which is not supposed to be his strength). It's just stupid to try and make him the goat of this season.

3. When I look at this season, I see a couple of culprits:
--I like Tom Soehn but I think our defense has been weak almost all season, certainly not consistent. Replace Wells and it got better but still not good enough. The defenders are Soehn's guys, they've been with the club for a while. I don't buy the argument that they're retooled MF's--so is Albright. Defensively we haven't gotten it done this year.
--The number of extra games has taken a team that had solid depth for an MLS season and wrecked it. We've never been able to put on a sustained winning streak (other than right before the SuperLiga) because we're fielding different lineups every game, shifting guys like Santino into different roles, starting a brand new signing (Khumalo) in his first game on the team.

When all is said and done, we shouldn't have dominated this season. Some guys didn't work out (but that happens every year) and some freak injuries happen. But the number of games combined with the inability to play solid defense for more than one game at a time has killed us.

4. The person(s) arguing against Moreno need to put down the crack pipe. Moreno is slow, he's not a great goal scorer (he's really a target man/distributor/leader). But he's had a fine season, he's performed in the clutch (absent 2 missed PKs) and has probably had the best season of his past 3 years. We've had to rely on him b/c of (a) Emilio's injuries (b) Olsen's injury (forcing Quaranta to play outside mid when I think his best position is forward), (c) Niell didn't work out (that happens sometimes), (d) Doe had callups and then couldn't stay healthy. If any one of those doesn't happen, Moreno is seeing less minutes (and probably being even more productive as he's fresher). But Jaime Moreno has been a real warrior and team leader this season.

Posted by: JoeW | September 15, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

@edgeonyou,

Gallardo can't hold Denilson's jock in the biggest MLS bust cup. That full volley earlier in the year puts him above everything Denilson did all by itself.

Posted by: Chris | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

We all knew it -- Gallardo was high risk, high reward. It happens in any sport when you sign an aging veteran to a large contract in a key position.

DCU gambled and lost.

Posted by: RK | September 15, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@ BillyBob & N. Daknow
Insight..Solutions? Hold up let me get on the phone with Payne and Soehn.
I dont know why you want insight or solutions or the fact that people will write one page solutions or analyize the team for what? Soehn will not read it or take insight to what you said. He still does things the way he wants too. We can provide all the insight and solutions in the world but it aint going to happen. Get with it.

Matter of fact it was an opinion that was thrown in the air. But im not going to lie but relying on building a team over a 30+ creative playmaker can really hurt a team, i.e the beginning of the season. Soehn uses the Simpsons style of play, center passes to wing, wing passes to center, center passes to other wing, then wing passes to center, then attack. Thats how DC eventually hurt themselves, the new center opened up the attacked, DC didnt have the speed or the reaction to keep up. DC relied way to much on Gomez, granted he was the workhorse but it did not allow the team to build individually, which would be our advantage in having more weapons.
on aspects of Moreno, im not convinced. period. Move on.
Boyzzz seems to be a good choice, give him some more playing time.
or shall we miss another PK?


Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Why am I writing a page?
whatever!

case closed, move on.
All of us.
We can write and write about the past but its not going to change the result.

Saprissa, tuesday!

In words of PSG,
Allez DC, DCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCC est MAGIQUE!!!!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

"You could probably answer that for me. I will let you assume. You will probably be pretty close."

Tommy Soehn, 2008


"You might very well think that, but of course, I couldn't possibly comment."

Francis Urquhart, 1990

Considering how the latter turned out, this bodes ill for the former.

Posted by: Rosslyn | September 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

on aspects of Moreno, im not convinced. period. Move on.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 3:20 PM

You don't have to be convinced. The facts (stats such as goals and assists) speak for themselves. I'll lend you some Speedos so you can continue to swim in denial.

Posted by: BillyBob | September 15, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Heading into next season, we will have Moreno, Emilio, Fred, Tino, Guerrero, Martinez, Simms, Namoff, McTavish, Burch, Crayton, Peralta, and Gallardo under contract. Your call whether you want to consider Olsen and Vide as assets for that list as well. Now, I don't know how much room there will be under the cap, but I'm pretty happy with those guys. That's most of a damn sight better lineup than many teams in this league can hope to field next year. Add a quality center back, and you've got a serious MLS Cup contender.


Posted by: Grunthos | September 15, 2008 1:01 PM


can't assume all these players will be back next year... crazy things happen between seasons.

Posted by: ... | September 15, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

I have watched a fair number of Colorado games on DK and early in the season, when Colorado played through Gomez, Gomez did well, and Colorado got off to a good start. Then, later Colorado went to a bootball style with long ball after long ball up the flanks, turning Gomez into the soccer equivalent of a potted plant.

I did not notice any radical decline in Gomez's pace or skills this year. And Colorado had to know that, for whatever reason, Gomez is a 60- 70 minute player. He was most of his time with DCU, and that had to be the assumption they made when they picked him up.

Thus I tend to agree with the school of thought that Gomez and Colorado's system (if you can call it that) are incompatible.

Gomez did not become a bad player overnight. With the right club and the right system he has another good year or so in the tank.

That said, Gomez is not coming back to DCU. Period. That ship has sailed.

Posted by: Ron | September 15, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo should donate the rest of his salary to the guys who have been playing. Especially, the ones at the bottom of the scale.These guys are tired. This schedule is a killer!!I hope FO does better at bringing in "new talent" next year. Don't decimate the team again.

Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

on aspects of Moreno, im not convinced. period. Move on.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 15, 2008 3:20 PM

dude, you are an idiot!!

Posted by: koolcaio | September 15, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo should donate the rest of his salary to the guys who have been playing. Especially, the ones at the bottom of the scale.These guys are tired. This schedule is a killer!!I hope FO does better at bringing in "new talent" next year. Don't decimate the team again.

Posted by: Mike | September 15, 2008 3:51 PM

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Good grief, donate his salary? Why him and not Olsen? Are you implying he's goldbricking?

His cap number is $400. You can play the home version of MLS President with that amount. Whatever he makes beyond that is irrelevant to everyone but Chang and MacFarland.

Posted by: JkR | September 15, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo's prolonged absence is vexing, but I think Peralta's is more damaging to the team at this point. The options we have to cover Gallardo's absence are not bad: Tino; Fred; Simms/Vide; and Jaime. Sure, we rob Peter to pay Paul, particularly when we move an outside player inside, but we have adequate subs to cover these moves. But our real problem has been central defense, and there our options are limited until Peralta can play again. I happen to think our best choices in the center now are Martinez and Namoff, but until Peralta returns we are going to be rolling the dice on the back line.

Posted by: Hedbal | September 15, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

So what the heck _is_ wrong with Peralta??? First he came back from the sports hernia, then he pulled a hamstring, but is _still_ out. What's up with that?!?!?

Posted by: HarkesyRules | September 15, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Moreno is arguably the team MVP. People were spouting this crap 3 years ago. Jaime keeps making them all look dumb.

Posted by: BarraBrava | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

I gotta help my boys in DC. Hold on folks, I'm flyin' over. Goff, you take care of the headlines.

Posted by: O.Onyewu | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

- Kush & Grunthos -

While I agree that the list of 13 or so players that was put together look like a solid lineup, don't forget about the expansion drafts to come with Seattle next season and then the following with Philadelphia. If I remember correctly, you can protect 11 players or so and then you start getting guys picked off your roster.

Posted by: studsup | September 15, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

count me in!

Posted by: H. Mitts | September 15, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

test

Posted by: test | September 15, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I think it's time to unequivocally state that MLS has arrived.

I know some of you must be saying to yourselves "Alec, WTF are you smoking?"

The answer, sadly, is nothing (job hunting...), but that doesn't diminish my earlier claim... MLS HAS arrived.

Now, just like all the other "Major" leagues in America, completely uneducated and soccer-ignorant fans are complaining about things they don't understand while contributing absolutely nothing to the discourse.

Fact: Jaime Moreno has lost a step, BUT he's still one of the best players in MLS. I had thought him a lost cause at the end of last year, but he's proven his worth to United, and the league, many times this season.

Fact: Marcelo Gallardo is a true #10, the likes and talent of which the league hasn't seen since Marco's prime (96-2001). Yes, he's been injured, and it took the rest of the team a long time to gel with his vision of the field, but his skill and ability is undeniable. It's a terrible shame that he's been so beleaguered by injuries this year, but these things happen. I wonder how many of his detractors will be willing to admit they were wrong if he comes back next year and has a season like Beckham has had in LA.

Myth: United will be unable to compete in CCL.

Fact: United should be able to beat Saprissa at home, tie them in Costa Rica, beat Marthon both home and away, and hold their own with Cruz Azul at home. Finishing 2nd in the Group is attainable, and with luck they could upset Cruz Azul.

Myth: United doesn't stand a chance of winning/reaching MLS Cup.

Fact: MLS Playoffs are a crapshoot. Look no further than 2005 for proof.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 15, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

I think JoeW knocked it out of the park.

The Gomez situation is one that won't go away. Every time I had the misfortune of watching the Rapids play, I saw that Gomez was not the player he was last year. When a player with his limited commitment to fitness (I'm assuming that before he came to MLS he wasn't covering the same amount of ground as the Gattusos of the world) gets to be his age, the decline is much sharper. Frankly, as much as we all enjoyed his contributions here, DCU might have been overpaying him on the offer they did tender.

Gallardo's injury is extremely frustrating to me precisely because I know what this team is capable of with him fit. As was said above, being a bust and being hurt are different things. Matthaeus was a bust, since he made absolutely no effort in NY. Denilson was a bust, since he was out of shape, disinterested, and clearly a shadow of the player he once was. Gallardo, when not injured, has looked up for the challenge, fit enough to go 90 minutes, and shows respect for the league. It pains me to see that discourse on this subject has basically taken on the tone of our preposterous elections: you either think Gallardo is a bust and want him run out of town, or you love him with all your body and soul. Shades of gray folks, shades of gray.

We've finally addressed our central defensive weakness in terms of numbers by bringing in Koroma and Janicki, but in terms of quality, we're probably still short. Koroma could surprise us all and be ready to contribute right away (he's only a year younger than Soumare in Chicago, and he's played WC qualifiers for Sierra Leone), which would make this move brilliant rather than just good. Janicki was playing USL-2 ball recently, and I'd imagine he's going to be Pat Carroll's partner for reserve games more than anything else. Again, he could be a surprise contributor, but I think that's more of a longshot than Koroma would be. No disrespect to USL-2, but WC qualifiers impress me more.

The idea that Moreno has to go is absurd. He's been our best player this year, and no one's been even close. He's scoring goals, he's creating goals, and I'm sure he's played through some injuries we don't even know about (consider the MLS-wide strategy for defending Moreno is limited to "kick him as many times as possible"). He's doing this with Gallardo, Fred, and Emilio missing long stretches, no Olsen, and Guerrero for only a few weeks. What he's doing this year, in the context of the season, is more impressive to me than any of his previous seasons.

Now, to move on to SG's question concerning thoughts on the team's direction:

Our defense (specifically, our central defense) made a shot at any trophies this year a less than good proposition. We played most of this season with 1 true center back of good quality in Peralta (who has been hit with injuries). McTavish is a utility man playing center back because he's the 2nd best person on the team at it. Burch still has things to learn about playing left back, and despite a couple good showings in the middle, is clearly not going to deliver consistently there (especially when McTavish either struggles or shows low confidence in Burch, both of which have happened). Pat Carroll has had 1 good game balanced against 6 outright bad games. Without Peralta, we simply don't defend well enough to consistently win. Teams know that if they just go up our gut, they'll be gifted chances.

In midfield, we are usually good enough, even with the injuries. When everyone's healthy, we're great, but that's been a rare occurrence. Our stretch before Superliga bore this out, and we've since added Guerrero (the natural wide player our attack needed). The fact that we have dealt with no Olsen, only about half of a season from Gallardo, only a few weeks with Gallardo, and a couple injuries to Fred, and never once looked truly hopeless, speaks volumes. If there's one section of the field we're set on, it's midfield.

Up front, Moreno has been beyond reproach. Emilio has not been as good as he was last year, but he has still been pretty good. Hopefully, this current injury is it and he's fit for the rest of the season. When you can play Moreno and Emilio together, you are going to have a chance to win every game you play in. I consider Doe to be decent depth, based on his good play during July, when most of the players around him were at their worst. If not needed in the midfield, Quaranta can shift forward. Dyachenko may infuriate all of us, but when he plays forward his shortcomings are not nearly as prominent (which makes his being used in midfield all the more baffling). Cordeiro showed in San Jose that he can bring energy and got into good positions. His finishing was off, but that's probably down to a lack of games more than anything else. Khumalo looks like he can contribute for us, which means less Dyachenko (I hope).

Ultimately, we have taken the Open Cup and should still get into the playoffs, where it has been proven than anything can happen. My expectations are not particularly high, but you can't ignore LA's 2005 championship. That was a worse team than this is. The playoffs are just 4 games, so a hot streak is all it really takes. It's not "Mission: Impossible" so much as it's "Mission: Unlikely".

In the CCL, our injuries will likely see us finish 3rd in what is by far the toughest group. To advance, we're going to have to either manage a win tomorrow against Saprissa (while missing some vital players) or somehow beat the Purple Monster in Costa Rica (on turf, in what is for national team games CONCACAF's most fearsome atmosphere). Barring Cruz Azul completely flopping, it looks to me like our home games are must-win and we have to get a result at Marathon. Lose or draw tomorrow night, and we will likely finish behind Saprissa.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 15, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Are you trying to get your own column? ;)

Posted by: RK | September 15, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

re:

Moreno is arguably the team MVP. People were spouting this crap 3 years ago. Jaime keeps making them all look dumb.

Posted by: BarraBrava | September 15, 2008 4:03 PM

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I was a Moreno doubter a couple seasons ago. It wasn't long before Jaime proved me utterly and completely wrong. I then promplty ate my hat with a healthy side of crow, and was glad to do so. I don't care who else is on the pitch, DCU plays better with Jaime out there. There is a reason teams still consistently double and triple team him (and when they don't he makes them pay). There is a reason Jaime wins his spot week in and week out on the training ground, and the reason is he is still a great soccer player. What he has lost in pace he has more than made up in cleverness and creativity.

Posted by: Ron | September 15, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Hate to burst you uninformed bubble but Veron has had nagging ankel injuries ALL SEASON this year.

The truth is Americans are more like Argentines, YOU OVER REACT to everything!

Bust!???

Gallarado has produce better numbers on the field than most of the team with LIMITED playing time? SO aside from being a mercanery as you say, I guess he can play for the team with his eyes closed. Bottom line he is injured. You cannot do anything about this he is HURT. Ben Olsen has been sideline the WHOLE f&*ing season and no one says squat. The difference is you guys are evaluating his pricetag not his heart or desire. Yes DC has 1.5 million in Argentina right now, but hey HE IS HUMAN and got hurt. Del Piero had to get ACL surgery and treatment in Colorado and even trained with the Rapids a few days and NO ONE at Jueventus said Del Piero was a mercenary or traitor and let me tell you he was worth more in 2000 (i believe) than 1.5 million. Fred and Emilio ARE also hurt I guess those Brazilans are also thiefs. The guy went to Argentina to see if he can get better, it's not like going to Germany or the team doctors helped him any.

GROW UP PEOPLE at 1.5 million for a 2 time world cup verteran and born winner in his prime is a steal.


Am amazed how people here say stuid things like Argentines are flops! ect. ect. Seeing as the best player the team had in 5 years was Argentine. Erpen was given up for Vanney for god sakes see how that worked out! Erpen was young and gaining experience, he was hardly the worst defender DC ever had. Gomez, was traded cause of his age and based on his form THIS season was DC wrong???? I don't think Mathias Donnet was hardly a flop he scored a goal and a few assists he was hardly horrible, DC and him could not agree on a contract. Diego Sonara won a title in DC and Gori was more than solid. REMEMBER before you speak.

I will grant that Peralta, is bust there is no reason DC could not find a 1ST division defender. and Niell was not good in DC period.

Posted by: Kelvin Loyola | September 15, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

"Fact: Marcelo Gallardo is a true #10, the likes and talent of which the league hasn't seen since Marco's prime (96-2001). Yes, he's been injured, and it took the rest of the team a long time to gel with his vision of the field, but his skill and ability is undeniable. It's a terrible shame that he's been so beleaguered by injuries this year, but these things happen. I wonder how many of his detractors will be willing to admit they were wrong if he comes back next year and has a season like Beckham has had in LA. "


Fact?

It’s not a hard argument for you or any other Gallardo supporters to make. "when he plays he's soooo good"

Well he doesn't play! When he did play he looked a little bit worse than Gomez. In fact even with Gomez benched he has better stats than Gallardo and is only 1/10 the price.

Maybe we can fly all those USC football fans out to RFK to shout "Over rated" at Gallardo...umm that is if he didn't run away to Argentina. At least Denilson played so we all knew he sucked, Gallardo is too busy making up injury excuses to even be bothered to show up to games.

I hope he has fun blowing all of United's money in Argentina and hopefully he can't be bothered to come back.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 15, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

While I agree that the list of 13 or so players that was put together look like a solid lineup, don't forget about the expansion drafts to come with Seattle next season and then the following with Philadelphia. If I remember correctly, you can protect 11 players or so and then you start getting guys picked off your roster.

Posted by: studsup | September 15, 2008 4:07 PM
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You can protect only 11 players, leaving a dozen or so unprotected, but you will actually lose only one.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 15, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous @ 5:03 nothing you said made any sense, that's my job, so SHUT UP!

Posted by: dadryan | September 15, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Rayn Miller to DCU. Payne on Fox Football Fone-In.

Posted by: td | September 15, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Rainn Wilson?

Posted by: RK | September 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

behind the badge reports DCU picked up defender Ryan Miller off waivers. Last developmental spot?

Posted by: dadryan | September 15, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: RK | September 15, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

GP G A
L. Emilio 23 11 5
J. Moreno 22 10 9
S. Quaranta 21 5 3
M. Gallardo 14 4 3
Fred 18 2 4
C. Simms 24 2 2


He is the 4th best player on the team for god sakes. HE IS HURT! Just like half the roster! Dear lord people here are just dumb!

Gomez is on the bench for one of the worst teams in MLS. The only reason Gomez was in the 11 last year was out of respect for his MVP season. Gomez became the player he became thanks to DC UNITED as DC UNITED were raised by him. But it was natural for DC to get better and they did with Gallardo. But 1 player can not make ALL the difference. Gallardo is solid and excellent player but he is hurt and one 1 leg you cannot contribute anything. DC has basically forced Moreno to play on a bad back for 2 years and his play suffers. Half or almost all of Morenos goals came from the spot. All of GalLardos goals came from the run of play I think.. Lets not through dirt in his eye for getting hurt he is human....

Posted by: Kelvin Loyola | September 15, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we just signed another defender -- Ryan Miller. I guess Peralta is not getting over his sniffles and Tommy might be seeing the light on Burch and McTavish holding the middle.

Posted by: noname | September 15, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

RK:

I'm nothing if not long-winded. The scary thing is it could have been longer.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 15, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't know where the info on Miller comes from, but he was an attacking right back at Notre Dame...and loaned out by the Crew. Doesn't sound like a CB, much less one ready for prime-time.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 15, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: noname | September 15, 2008 5:52 PM

Are you suggesting Ryan Miller will be stepping straight into the starting back 4?

Posted by: JkR | September 15, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Crew fan here.

Does anyone have a link on the Ryan Miller pickup?

The Crew was rumored to be signing M Stanley Nyazamba (Zimbabwe), and needed to waive someone to make room.

Miller makes some sense. He only appeared once that I can remember (I think in a Cup game) and got subbed out due to the fact he was resembling toast left in too long.

He played LB for us.

Posted by: Jason | September 15, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Rayn Miller info is on www.behindthebadge.com

He is a bust too that DC picked up?

Posted by: td | September 15, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Louis Crayton has looked awesome in the matches I've seen (although his tendency to come out of his box is frightening). I hope that DCU hold on to him for a while. Luciano on the other hand won't be around more than one more season. Hear me now and believe me later. Peralta is injured and I'm not sure that's such a bad thing as I haven't been impressed with his defending. Martinez is a keeper in defense though. IF Gallardo can get and stay healthy, I think he may be able to contribute to a winning season next year. Unfortunately, my SSFC will win it all, but DCU will be a close second :)

It's very frustrating to see DCU's decline this season. I think they played a more attractive game when Nowak was head coach.

Posted by: Gary B. | September 15, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

is that the Seattle Supersonics FC?
Sweet.
Don't get mad, I know how touchy you guys tend to be, Gary B.
I mess with you, cuz I lived in Seattle for quite some time, and I am actually phyched to do anything I can to help start up the rivalry between the two Washington MLS Teams...
Cheers!

Posted by: dadryan | September 15, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

DC is hoping for business success, by bringing in latino fans to watch old hispanic-player has beens. Soccer is a youngmen's game. SanJose and Huston, Columbus and Salt Lake understand this. The problem in DC is the front office putting profits before before the game.

The point the front office is missing is that the profit is in the well-played game. The game goes 90 minutes. Old has beens can't play 90 minutes.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 7:54 AM | Report abuse

DC is hoping for business success, by bringing in latino fans to watch old hispanic-player has beens. Soccer is a youngmen's game. SanJose and Huston, Columbus and Salt Lake understand this. The problem in DC is the front office putting profits before before the game.

The point the front office is missing is that the profit is in the well-played game. The game goes 90 minutes. Old has beens can't play 90 minutes.

Posted by: John | September 16, 2008 7:54 AM

This could not be further from the truth. The DC front office wants to field a competitive winner year in and year out. They want DC to be the class of MLS. They lose money every year with a crappy stadium deal with the district. They also spend a lot on players, players that they hope will produce wins. Signing Gallardo was a football move, not a move purely rooted in profit.

Posted by: Stop Ragging on the FO | September 16, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

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