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Stadium? Did You Say 'Stadium'?

The Maryland Stadium Authority will present its feasibility study today to Prince George's County concerning a potential D.C. United facility in Greenbelt or New Carrolton. Early feedback is that the MSA is positive about the potential project. The Post's Metro section is covering the story -- it's a government/community/financial topic for now -- so we will wait for details later today. This does not mean there will be a groundbreaking ceremony next week; it just means that a project might make sense for the county.

I hope to have more from DCU Prez Kevin Payne shortly.....

UPDATED: DCU will issue a statement about the situation this afternoon.

By Steve Goff  |  September 23, 2008; 10:23 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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What's the refrain OWNTF?

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Will the state bonds be backed by AIG?

Will Lehman Brothers be our equity parnter?

Maryland has a state budget shortfall?

Just kidding - well, let's hope that the deal proposed by Maryland is positive for the club, positive for the supporters and positive for the locality it is in. And let's hope that it really puts the screws to the District, and if they still don't care - then I'll be happy to see the team wind up in a ground befitting their history.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | September 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Sigh...they're so far away.

Posted by: the slammer | September 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

So far awaaaaaay!

Posted by: ProsperoDGC | September 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

DCU might get a new stadium? I hadn't heard.

Posted by: Section 130 | September 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

WE HAVE LAND! AND A METRO ... in 2020ish.

Posted by: Ashburn United | September 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

PG United! (clap clap, clap clap clap clap)

Posted by: Name Change | September 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Just get it done, DCU. At this point, you can build a stadium on a metro line, and in another 30-40 years think about DC. This team needs revenue, it needs a little excitement, and it needs a place where the lights work.

Posted by: Logan Circle | September 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz *snort* *cough*
wstfgl?
hmmmph.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: Grunthos | September 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Worse still, any new stadium will severely curtail my ingestion of Trusty's cheesesteaks.

Posted by: the slammer | September 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

No offense to PG County (mostly because I think it would actually be a good fit), but isn't the county, you know... bankrupt?

Posted by: James | September 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

The financing should be easy to find!

Posted by: RK | September 23, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm officially worn down. If going to Greenbelt is what it takes for United to get a stadium, then I'm in.

As soon as I get that tax rebate check.

Posted by: Joe Doc | September 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

@Logan Circle: yep. Sad to say, but DC just isn't gonna happen...it was a slim enough chance, and then the Nats decided not to pay rent. Thanks, guys. Way to be.

At this point, a stadium near a Metro stop is the best we can hope for.

PG United! *clap-clap, clap-clap-clap-clap*

Posted by: EdTheRed | September 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Just build it. RFK is a pile and the ability to drive might actually boost attendance (though I've never driven to RFK, so I have no idea how simple that might be).

Anyways, DC has had its chance many times over. Sometimes, it's just not meant to be.

Posted by: KLB | September 23, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

If McFarlane wants some public money for this, he may run into "bailout fatigue."

That't it -- public stadium financing is a "preventive bailout," not to be confused with a "preemptive bailout."

Posted by: gringo | September 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

sweet it'll cut 10 minutes off my drive!

Posted by: BaltimoreUnited! | September 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

At least you have gas to drive to things...

Posted by: RK | September 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I have season tickets and there is NO WAY I will renew if they move to the end of the line out in MD!!!! Find a way to make it work in DC.

Posted by: VA United | September 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Nice! Good to hear!

stadium in 3 years?

man I hope its at least a 25K seater. I wouldn't want a 18K seater to small.
We should build a 30K seater that would be nice.
They can put slots in the basement LOL

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

[flips Fenty the bird] If this gets built I will have spent my last cent ever in the District.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | September 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Greenbelt is the next best alternative to DC IMO. Not sure the DC thing is going to happen at this point. It's a shame really since DC United is a class orgnaization that has worked for years only to be rewarded with a slap in the face.

The Metro ride is only 25 minutes from downtown and if WMATA ever get their act together and put a line circling the whole beltway it will be a good fit. Plus it cuts 10 minutes off my commute.

::pray::

Posted by: strago | September 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@ KLB: RFK may seriously be the easiest place to *get to* in the District coming from where I'm at. (RT 50 exit George Mason)
Coming home is even easier.
That being said It'll be a bummer for some of us Virginia folks, we'll have plenty of time to still enjoy the best egress in North American Pro Sports coming out of Lot 8, but in return I'd wager we'll have the best Soccer Specific Stadium in the Suburbs by 2011. Or 2012 or whenever...
Or maybe this will push Fenty into making a big announcement himself. Is he still planning on going to the WCQ at RFK?

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Worse still, any new stadium will severely curtail my ingestion of Trusty's cheesesteaks.

Posted by: the slammer | September 23, 2008 10:59 AM

Ha! They are good!

And not if it's New Carrollton - slam a cheesesteak and a couple jars then jump on the Orange Line. Heck - I hit Trusty's before Redskins games, it's not impossible.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll go where ever they build it. We have members in the Barra that come from Richmond and Baltimore. Another 20 minutes to my commute isn't worth whining about. I just want to rock it with the Barra for United.

Posted by: VirginiaBarraMember | September 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

@Strago,

WMATA and a Cirlce Line will be the only thing that is never done. United will be on stadium #2, the Redskins will be back at the RFK site, the Nationals will either have moved or won the World Series, the Wizards and Capitals will both add banners to the rafters of Verizon Center and America will win a World Cup before that happens.

$11 Billion just to make improvements and keep Metro running in a time when it's seeing its highest levels of ridership - YIKES!

Look - I hate end of line MD suburbs for a stadium only because anyone traveling from the ends of the Blue or Orange lines would spend over an hour getting to their respective destinations. Suddenly - it's not such a great thing. But again - this will obviously be the last arrow in the quiver that would potentially get DC to budge and let us partner with Clark on Poplar Point.

Otherwise it's never meant to be.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | September 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

So essentially we are doing a swap with the Skins?

Skins can move back to DC after they tear down RFK and United can move out to a new stadium in the burbs leaving them as DC's only team that is not actually in DC.

I don't have a huge problem with that but why not just move United to FedEx?

Best solution of all, spend $200-$300 million and upgrade RFK to be a premier soccer/football stadium. Make the lower bowl 25,000 which is good for regular season games and the upper stands can be used for future US national team matches and when Becks or whoever else comes to town.

Skins want to come back to DC, United wants a new stadium, RFK seems like the perfect way to kill two birds with one stone. It already has parking and metro access.

I know people hate the idea of sharing with a pointy ball team but I think Seattle will soon show how it’s done.

Fenty, MacFarlane and Snyder need to get together for some beers and have some talks.

I’m voting RFK in 2008!

BTW would it be too much to ask for DC United and Volkswagen to have their own beer tent on Barracks Row for Octoberfest this Saturday? With Fins right there it seems like a marketing gimmick from heaven.

Posted by: Southeasterner | September 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm looking on the bright side. At some point, United are going to play their last match at RFK - and we are going to completely trash the place that night.

Then we are going to march to Mount Pleasant and kick Adrian Fenty right in the babymaker.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Southeasterner- Problem there is that Snyder doesn't want to just rehab RFK. He wants to build his own stadium from scratch to rival Jerry Jones's new one. Classic case of penis envy.

I'm excited that my screen name is about to become even more relevant!

Posted by: DCUMD | September 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

The latest rumour is that DCU is moving to Dover, Delaware.

Posted by: DC United Chismes | September 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Let's go Kevin - more BS from your infamous bloated self-centered mouth. Do us all a favor - leave. Go work for the Galaxy.

Posted by: NewGalaxyEmployee | September 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Volkswagen Arena... Build it wherever they will let you at this point:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/volkswagenarena.htm

30,000 seats + 8,000 standing room

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone know how are old friend Troy Perkins is doing over in Norway? Anyway we can con them into trading him back for Zack Wells and a goat?

Posted by: Matt | September 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't have time to think about stadiums. I am so depressed with the way DCU is playing lately.

Posted by: Depressed DC United Fan | September 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

now, I used to live on Capitol Hill and probably will do again whenever I return to DC, so I don't like any solution that takes DCU out of stumbling distance from my porch.

That said, the Maryland sites are on the Orange and Green lines and inside the beltway. Poplar Point would be on the Green line in the other direction (whenever they got done building that station and extension). Seems to me that VA types wouldn't have any change in their commute at all. Other than the semantic need to be "DC" United, I don't see what the problem with Maryland is versus Poplar Point. And frankly, I'd like to not spend money in DC after how the city has treated United.

I'm sure I missed some pertinent details. Let's hear 'em, Virginians.

Posted by: troy | September 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Hey Goff, has there ever been a discussion about building a Stadium in the back (SE Corner) of Lot 8 or in Lot 7? It seems like there's a lot of abandoned land available on the RFK Grounds. Why wouldn't the team/city be interested in something like that? I guess lack of parking revenue would still be an issue....

Posted by: DWE4 | September 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Southeasterner, have you been following this situation at all?

RFK is not viable. It can't be renovated to a satisfactory level, and even then, United would not be guaranteed control of ancillary revenue streams.

United can not tear down RFK and rebuild on the site. When RFK is no more, control of the site reverts to the Federal Government.

FedEx field is a horrible Football Stadium, and would be an even worse soccer stadium.

It seats 90k+ that's just a bit large for MLS purposes... and also has no Metro access.

I think Snyder's Super-Danny-Dome on the site of RFK is just a pipe-dream anyway.

Either DC will come forward with a decent offer for United at Poplar Point (or another location within the city), or United will move to PG County.

Virginia is not happening because it's a joke of a "commonwealth" :rolleyes:

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

It already takes me 75 minutes to drive to games, what is another 15 minutes. There just better be ample parking. The last thing I want to do is drive most of the way and THEN have to schlep onto the metro to get to games.

Posted by: Ron | September 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

In response ot a query above I should have noted I drive to games from Virginia.

Posted by: Ron | September 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Fenty, MacFarlane and Snyder need to get together for some beers and have some talks.
----------------------------------------

If you think prices are high now...

Posted by: spike_2.0 | September 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I've been a season ticket holder from 96. But like a huge number of folks from Northern Virginia - the birthplace of United - you're going to see a MAJOR dropoff in season tickets and attendance with a Stadium that far out to the east.

United needs to remain in DC or very close in. There is not doubt that a Stadium in PG county will be as popular as a Stadium near Leesburg.

Posted by: Nick | September 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

No way that the RFK hulk would ever satisfy the Skins -- that's why they moved. They're seating 35,000 more in their palace. Someday, they might want to build a new palace on the old grounds, but I wouldn't hold your breath for that, either. Not unless DC offers up an alternative use and Snyder has to use it or lose it -- and even then, it won't be a no-brainer move. Moving less than 20 years after building a new stadium seems unlikely.

As for DC getting a stadium in PG, I find the attacks by Virginians to be kinda amusing. I've already got a 45-50 minute Metro trip from Bethesda/Rockville. If they move to New Carrollton, it might not be too much worse. Greenbelt would add much more time. I also don't agree that this would be better than NC -- It will get tricky for the later 8:00 starts on Nats game days. Metro turns a number of the trains around at Mt. Vernon Sq. to get them back to Navy Yards quickly and empty out that station. Of course, they would never think of doing that for DC United, even though it would be easier, since games end at a predictable time. Point being that if DCU moves to Greenbelt, I'll probably drive and just cross my fingers regarding traffic. Not sure about New Carrollton. It's about the same as my RFK drive -- so it depends on timing.

In short, I'm sympathetic to the concerns of Virginians, but they're not the only ones who will find it a longer trip. Anyone who won't travel the extra 15-20 minutes isn't much of a fan, unless the additional time means there's no way they can make it to games in time.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I wish they could find a place in Oxon Hill near the National Harbor. Close to DC, easily accessible from MD and VA. The only downside (and it's a big downside maybe even a killer) is the lack of a Metro stop in the area

Posted by: Omar | September 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

terrible idea, count me out for renewing my season tickets. No way I'm making it out there with all the damn traffic. I'll continue to watch on the tv but I'll pretty much be done attending games.

Posted by: PGUnited | September 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how the disappointing results around the Navy Yard stadium is affecting the thinking about Poplar Point. My guess is that it would be working against the politics of a new stadium. However -- and I may be wrong about this -- but I think a development on the other side of the bridge, in Anacostia would actually speed up development on the DC side of the river. It might create the critical mass of development along the waterfront necessary to actually bring the tenants.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I've been a season ticket holder from 96. But like a huge number of folks from Northern Virginia - the birthplace of United - you're going to see a MAJOR dropoff in season tickets and attendance with a Stadium that far out to the east.

United needs to remain in DC or very close in. There is not doubt that a Stadium in PG county will be as popular as a Stadium near Leesburg.

Posted by: Nick | September 23, 2008 12:11 PM

I'm sorry to hear that - but you might also see a season ticket increase from Maryland fans. Montgomery County is very United friendly - and it's a hike to RFK. PG County would be less ideal for the team, but also closer to soccer savvy communities like Rockville (where I live), Silver Spring, College Park, Columbia (all of Howard County) and pretty convenient to Anne Arundel County as well.

New Carrollton is 7 miles from RFK - are you saying that you'll let 7 miles stop you from going to matches? Greenbelt isn't much further. Leesburg is 43 miles from RFK, 27 from the Beltway and not on public transit - so I think that analogy is a bit of a stretch.

Moving from the District is (IMHO) sad, even tragic, but it won't kill the club.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

For those complaining about traffic -- I offer this observation. I take the Metro to the game, when I have the time. If I'm running late, I will drive. Hop on to the Beltway in Bethesda and go. Generally, after 7:00, traffic has cleared out and I can really motor. Even circling around the Beltway, and racing down 295, I can get to my seat sooner by driving, at that hour. The only time that driving didn't prove to be the faster option as game time approached was this season's Beckham game, because of the backups getting into the parking lot. You folks coming from Virginia might be pleasantly surprised by traffic. Might mean no tailgating, but getting to the games might not be so awful.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: OWNTF | September 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I decided not to renew my season tickets several months ago for a variety, but you can add the move to PG county to the list of reasons.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

FYI - I'm using my bail-out money to build the stadium. No applause please.

It was either that or have a big crab and beer party.

Posted by: JSF | September 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Kev makes a great point about Howard County. Huge base of support there that would find a Greenbelt stadium to be manna from heaven. Montgomery County, too. And, if the Purple line light rail ever gets done, there would be a decent direct route on public transit. Not to mention students at College Park, who would go crazy for a Greenbelt stadium. If you Virginians think you're pressuring DCU by threatening not to come to PG games, I'm not sure that will be effective. For everyone who will find it to be too far, or more of a hassle, there will be a new fan who will be delighted to have a team at their doorstep.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm a virginia resident and season ticket holder since 1997. i just want a stadium. yes traffic sucks, it sucks anywhere around here. if they build it in MD, fine. just make the entry and exit easy, ala lot 8 off the freeway. having parking lots that make sense, and attendants that know what they are doing, will make things easier as well. no more 7:30 games on weeknights. maybe have some more weekend games in the early afternoon or even morning to alleviate traffic concerns.

everyone wants the stadium to be where it is convenient for themselves, I just want a stadium somewhere. will I renew my tickets? of course, I just may not be able to make as many games, depending on when they are.

until we KNOW what is going to happen, speculation is useless. all the folks from VA may find it easier to get to. it just depends on where and how they do it.

I just want it done. DC, MD, VA. who cares. as long as they keep the pupusa and carne asada stand. (thanks to dadryan for clueing me in on that)

Posted by: steve-o | September 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I decided not to renew my season tickets several months ago for a variety, but you can add the move to PG county to the list of reasons.

Posted by: Anonymous | September 23, 2008 12:33 PM

So you're going to punish the club for the mistake made by the city?

That sounds reasonable.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Summary:

Viewing the proposed new soccer stadium as a company and the residents of the County and the State as its shareholders, the proposed facility has the ability to provide a strong return on the investment associated with on-going operations by:

 Receiving increased national and international exposure through media coverage

 Increasing and diversifying market share

 The estimated event activity at the proposed new soccer stadium ranges from 54 to 63 events and 680,000 to 841,000 in total attendance annually in a stabilized year – the majority of which is estimated to be net new business to the State

 Attracting events that generate significant economic activity including spending, jobs and
taxes in a stabilized year

 Direct spending resulting from activities at the proposed facility is estimated to range
from approximately $42.5 million to $51.9 million annually

 Total spending (including indirect/induced benefits) is estimated to range from
approximately $65.4 million to $79.9 million annually

 Activities at the proposed facility are estimated to support approximately 1,080 to
1,320 full-time equivalent jobs annually

 Fiscal benefits generated from sales and use, admissions and amusement, personal
income, corporate income, and hotel/motel taxes are estimated to range from
approximately $1.8 million to $2.2 million in the County and $3.3 million to $4.0
million in the State annually

 Contributing to the on-going revitalization efforts of the area by providing a critical mass
of patrons to support area businesses as well as mass transit initiatives

Posted by: BK | September 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I drive 20 miles to the HDC at least the stadium is within ten miles of the city center. Then again LA is really spread out. But the stadium near a metro station and its golden.

Posted by: Hank | September 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

From the report:

"Capacity of between 24,000 and 27,000 permanent seats with the ability to expand to 35,000"

First I've heard that there is consideration being given to make an expandable seating capacity. That could prove to be very far-sighted. Wonder if that's a temporary expansion they have in mind (MLS Cup??) or a more permanent addition...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Whats funny reading some of these whiney comments is that if the stadium is in say New Carrolton, that is only a 10 minute more metro ride.

Talk about whiney babies.

Posted by: Chief Clancy Wiggum | September 23, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

If you Virginians think you're pressuring DCU by threatening not to come to PG games, I'm not sure that will be effective. For everyone who will find it to be too far, or more of a hassle, there will be a new fan who will be delighted to have a team at their doorstep.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 12:39 PM
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Bro, I hope that you are right but I'm not so sure.

If the Virginians boycott then I am not sure sure that we will be able to replace them with folks from HoCo or MoCo or Anne Arundel.

I can't quite explain it but I have always felt like the core base of the supporters are from Nova and that the rest of us are in some ways even the DC residents are just kind of a long for the ride. Sorry that i can't articulate it any better than that...

Posted by: yankiboy | September 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Sigh. I'll go to fewer games if it ends up in PG. I guess that's the price one pays when one is actually a fan of DCU and a resident of DC.

Posted by: D C B 2 3 | September 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Hank Chinaski? I always thought you just played the ponies...
The idea of an indoor concert venue is great, I almost forgot that they did the same thing at Qwest in Seattle. Never went to any events there, but it surely creates an alternate source of revenue year round.

Posted by: dadryan | September 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

A stadium setting on a river is so much better than plunked down in the middle of suburbia...

Posted by: RK | September 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

If they build in Va then the MD peeps will whine. Build in in MD and the VA peeps will whine. I'm a Virginia resident and I ain't boycotting nuthin' (except of course if they only offer crap beer)

Posted by: Catch-22 | September 23, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't quite explain it but I have always felt like the core base of the supporters are from Nova and that the rest of us are in some ways even the DC residents are just kind of a long for the ride. Sorry that i can't articulate it any better than that...

Posted by: yankiboy | September 23, 2008 12:57 PM

Virginians will lose a sense of comfort, being able to glide into Lot 8 or have a relatively easy Metro ride to Stadium-Armory. They became more of a core because the stadium is more accessible to them.

A PG County stadium is a long way from this point - but I think our VA fans will come around. I won't blame them for complaining about traffic and distance on weeknights, but we'll see them there on Saturdays, if this happens.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

The Summary is interesting in highlighting the strong ROI and number of events that it will host in an average year. about 5X the number reported by some...

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

RE; Expansion. Some MLS stadiums have a stages or other non-seating areas behind the goals. should be too hard to install retractable bleachers back there and increase the seating by 6-8K (both sides total) for special events, such as any El Salvador-Guatemala, El Salvador-Honduras, El Salvador-USA.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

The Summary is interesting in highlighting the strong ROI and number of events that it will host in an average year. about 5X the number reported by some...

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:06 PM

Yep - I've already forwarded the report to Marc F*sher

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

"First I've heard that there is consideration being given to make an expandable seating capacity. That could prove to be very far-sighted. Wonder if that's a temporary expansion they have in mind (MLS Cup??) or a more permanent addition..."

I would guess they are looking at a possible return of the World Cup.


Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

We've heard all these bleatings before. From Marylanders who whined about the possibility of a NoVa stadium to Virginians complaining of a far flung Maryland location.

In the end, it doesn't matter.

If the stadium can't be built at Poplar Point, it's going to the suburbs. As of now, only Maryland has appeared willing to talk seriously with the club, so that's that.

The summary is fairly promising.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Greenbelt and New Carrolton are not as isolated in the burbs as Virginians are trying to make them out to be. They're both much closer to DC than PHP is to Dallas, HDC is to LA, Dicks is to Denver, Sandy is to Salt Lake, Harrison is to NYC, Bridgeview is to Chicago, Foxborough is to Boston, etc. They are also more "urban" locations than Crew Stadium, or San Jose and KC's proposed sites.

RFK, Poplar Point, Greenbelt, New Carrolton... all 4 hour drives for me.

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

That's right.

Both sites are inside the Beltway, on Metro Lines, and in the case of New Carrollton -- on a MARC line.

In regard to transit access, New Carrollton is actually better situated than Poplar Point.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Union Station to New Carrolton on the MARC...
That is not sounding too bad at this point, but I will miss being able to walk there.
Can we get a DC United gameday train with a Keg car?

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

By the way, Greenbelt is on the MARC too (Camden Line). Say United play a 7:30 weeknight match...

Union Station
TRAIN P854
Depart 6:43 PM

Greenbelt
Arrive 7:00 PM

Oh, and you can drink on the MARC :-)

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Can we get a DC United gameday train with a Keg car?

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:22 PM

Football Specials anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Specials

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I would guess they are looking at a possible return of the World Cup.

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:10 PM

35,000 for a World Cup game? Not even in the ballpark.


New Carrollton is also on Amtrak, which would be huge for fans coming from Philly or NY, but that's hardly a reason for building there. I'd be interested in hearing more about the MARC. I've lived in this area for more than a dozen years and I've yet to meet anyone who uses the MARC train (except for rides to Camden Yards). I've always thought it was the least successful commuter railroad ever.

It seems to me that New Carrollton is a good site for Virginians, but that Greenbelt is a far better site for Marylanders. I'd be interested in learning more about the MARC --maybe I'd change my mind.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I've always thought it was the least successful commuter railroad ever.

It seems to me that New Carrollton is a good site for Virginians, but that Greenbelt is a far better site for Marylanders. I'd be interested in learning more about the MARC --maybe I'd change my mind.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 1:35 PM

I'm a MARC fan - although I'm only an infrequent rider. I know many people that use it everyday and like it. Sure, like any commuter system it hits snags, but it's reliable.

It's downside is that it has to share tracks, either with CSX or Amtrak, so trains can be rather infrequent. Just takes some more planning for your trip. Governor O'Malley would love to ramp up the system so that there are more, faster trains - and weekend service. But those plans are slow going with the state's deficit and other concerns. There has also been talk of expanding MARC to connect with Virginia and VRE, making it a more thorough regional rail system (like SEPTA around Philly).

http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2007/09/24/daily11.html

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

35k would be small, but Germany used 5 stadiums with a capacity in the low 41k.

I did like the "ballpark" pun though

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

35k would be small, but Germany used 5 stadiums with a capacity in the low 41k.

I did like the "ballpark" pun though

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:54 PM

The biggest selling point for US World Cup bids is stadium size. If we get the Cup in the next 15 years, "DC" matches would be played at FedEx or an RFK EnormoDome.

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was the economic stability...

Posted by: jgildea | September 23, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

ZING! :-)

Posted by: Kev | September 23, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

While Greenbelt is technically served by MARC trains, in effect evening and weekend matches would not be served because:

A) No weekend trains
B) last Camden Line train is 6:53 PM Southbound and 7:52 PM Northbound

Of course, that could all change if a large development was completed at Greenbelt.

Posted by: Eric in Baltimore | September 23, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

"Thank you Kevin for this D.C. United jersey and congratulations on your terrific season," Fenty said. "It is great to see over 20,000 fans here at RFK supporting D.C. United. It is my hope that your fans will soon be coming to your brand new soccer stadium at Poplar Point in Anacostia. World class fans, and a world class team like D.C. United, deserve a world class stadium. And I am going to make it a priority to help you build that stadium. Thank you -- congratulations and good luck to the Black-and-Red!"

-Adrian Fenty on Oct 29 2006 (right before a mayoral elction mind you)

link to full article: http://www.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20061031&content_id=77524&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103


Talk about a bold face liar.

Posted by: Never Forget | September 23, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't see anything on the Post's site about the stadium.

I did find this, however, from the MD Daily Record:
http://www.mddailyrecord.com/article.cfm?id=8647&type=UTTM

Study: PG County soccer stadium could generate millions
LIZ FARMER
Daily Record Business Writer
September 23, 2008 1:01 PM
A study released Tuesday has determined that if a stadium for Washington’s Major League Soccer team was built in Prince George’s County, it would make the region a “contender for hosting national and international tournaments,” and generate more than $6 million for the county and state in taxes and nearly $31 million in total operations.

Posted by: downtown | September 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Talk about a bold face liar.

Posted by: Never Forget | September 23, 2008 2:34 PM

I don't think this blog accepts bold face lies. I don't even think it accepts italicized lies.

By the way, I search the record in vain for a promise by Fenty to front $200 million of taxpayer money to subsidize a soccer stadium. If he said that, then maybe he lied. But if he didn't, then maybe DCU overreached, underestimated or both.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Goff has a new thread on the stadium situation. I'm going there.

Posted by: The Jeff | September 23, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Look, I'm a DC United since 96 and even though DC is playing like trash I'm still a fan. None the less DC needs a stadium of their own. The stadium would do wonders for the team it would create a European type atmosphere. I'm from VA, to be more specific from Arlington which is basically DC, just 15 minutes away but I would prefer to see DC United in the district just because of the history in which DC has assembled there. DC has treated DCU with disrespect. DC has 12 trophy while the Washington Redskins only have a few. Fenty, wants the skins back in DC, but doesn't want a stadium for the pride of DC(well at least not this year, anyway). DC needs the stadium for it's fans and for DC future within DC. Keep DC in DC because if they move the team they might as well change the name, colors, basically make it into a new franchise.

Posted by: RIGS 4um VA | September 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I'd be interested in learning more about the MARC --maybe I'd change my mind.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 23, 2008 1:35 PM

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It doesn't run on the weekends last time I checked.

Posted by: BK | September 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

This is going to have a historic impact on Major League Soccer. Personally , I don't want the team out of DC. If you guys are happy calling it PG United thats fine with me. But it won't be the same. Trust me.

What I am trying to say is. You move the club out of DC. A lot of people are going to have a problem with it.

Call the DC MAYOR!!! NOW!!!


THIS IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS THE ELECTIONS IN NOVEMBER.

DC UNITED!

Posted by: #12 | September 24, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

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