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The Good, the Bad, the Coyote Ugly

Before we review MLS's weekend and the collection of outstanding goals that offset several defensive nightmares, let's take a look at the current playoff matchups:

EAST
(1) Columbus vs. (4) New York
(2) New England vs. (3) Chicago

WEST
(1) Houston vs. (4) Real Salt Lake
(2) Chivas USA vs. (3) Colorado

THE GOOD
*Conor Casey's hat trick, including a running volley for the game-winner in the 90th minute, set up beautifully by Mehdi Ballouchy.
*Columbus stretches its unbeaten streak to seven (6-0-1) and sets a club record for points (50), thanks to Chad Marshall's header. "It's super," Crew Coach Sigi Schmid said.
*Yura Movsisyan's two classy finishes.
*Josh Wolff's bicycle kick.
*Colorado's four goals in a half and five overall, both equaling a club record.
*Kenny Cooper's 15th goal on a 45-yard run, snapping a six-game winless skid against DCU and helping lift FCD to 19-1-7 when he scores. The last time a Dallas player scored 15 in a season was Ariel Graziani eight years ago.
*Javier Morales's go-ahead free kick.
*Marvell Wynne's first career goal on a superb individual display.
*Darren Huckerby, perhaps the half-season league MVP, adds two more goals.
*Alecko Eskandarian's second goal in two games.
*Sasha Victorine victimizing his former club.
*Matthew Mbuta's first goal (and acrobatic celebration) on Macoumba Kandji's first assist for New York.
*With four weeks left in the regular season, every team remains in the playoff race (though some have no business reaching the postseason).
*Columbus, New England and Chicago with identical road records (6-4-3). No one else has won more than three away games.

THE BAD
*Veterans who should know better get sent off: Jaime Moreno's red card, just the fourth in 13 regular seasons, and Frankie Hejduk's early exit for a pair of yellows.
*Just after New York's dodgy backline is beaten on Colorado's first goal, the Rapids give it back with a terrible touch.
*San Jose's unbeaten streak ends at nine, while Toronto is winless in seven (0-4-3).
*Los Angeles and DCU have conceded a combined 100 goals.
*"In the first half and for most of the game," Revs Coach Steve Nicol said, "we were just dumb."
*Sometimes," DCU's Moreno said, "we forget how to play soccer."

THE COYOTE UGLY
*Hunter Freeman's breathtaking own goal.
*DCU allowing a long free kick to bounce in the six-yard box for Dallas's first goal, leading to the club's fifth straight game without a victory. "I don't think anybody worked," Tom Soehn said.
*With the Redskins and Cowboys playing at about the same time and the temperature in the nineties, Dallas draws maybe half of what it announced (12,000).

I am sure I missed a lot of stuff, including the best saves. Whatcha got?

(FYI, for personal and professional reasons, I am scaling back my blog work this week. The United "Matchnight" threads will appear on Wednesday and Saturday, and I'll share any important news that surfaces. Otherwise, normal operations will not continue until USA training camp opens in Washington next Monday.)

By Steve Goff  |  September 29, 2008; 11:25 AM ET
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Comments

coyote ugly -- "I am scaling back my blog work this week."

we will miss you goff. enjoy your mini-break from the blog.

Posted by: steve-o | September 29, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Happy sanity break!

Posted by: Section 130 | September 29, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

"Los Angeles and DCU have conceded a combined 100 goals."

These two franchises are on the ropes. LA has hired Bruce Arena to rebuild their operation. What path will DC United follow? Minimal changes, and hope for fewer injuries, or more drastic change again?

Posted by: Towson | September 29, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for the updates!

Is DC out of the playoff hunt? or do they still have a chance in terms of teams losing and DC winning?

hmm

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 29, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Steve,

Thanks for all the work and effort you put into the blog.

Hopefully the teams misfortunes and the associated dour attitude of many supporters is not hurting traffic numbers for you or the Post.

It looks like I'll be making 3 out of 4 remaining home games and that come the final whistle of the Marathon game - I can fold up my Black Olsen Jersey and put it on the shelf for 2008.

Here's to MLS Cup being lifted by a Columbus or New England - and if Columbus doesn't make the final - seriously kill the playoffs. If we have another Supporters' Shield winner shut-out from the Final then the MLS Regular Season will hold 0 credibility anymore - just ask Baseball, Basketball, and Hockey who's "season's" are a month long.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | September 29, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Out of the playoff race??? Look at the standings dude. We're one point out. Like Goff said in his match report, DCU probably needs to win 3 of the last 4 to make it.


Posted by: Reality | September 29, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

You picked a helluva week to stop sniffing glue! :)

Posted by: Mark R. | September 29, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if the players are wondering the same thing as me, "When is this season going to end?"

Posted by: TCompton | September 29, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"Los Angeles and DCU have conceded a combined 100 goals."

These two franchises are on the ropes. LA has hired Bruce Arena to rebuild their operation. What path will DC United follow? Minimal changes, and hope for fewer injuries, or more drastic change again?


Posted by: Towson | September 29, 2008 11:42 AM

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This just in, Alexi Lalas has replaced Dave Kasper in the Front Office...

Posted by: Section 130 | September 29, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Goff, to me it seems like Dallas are the worst offenders of lying about attendance figures. Keep an eye on it. It's embarrassing. Their stated average is about 12k but in reality its 5k

Posted by: Connor B | September 29, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

GOFF... any word on Gallardo before you leave us???

Posted by: kris | September 29, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

am I the only one here missing Boz?


Posted by: -K | September 29, 2008 10:32 AM

*Sarcasm On*

No. We only traded a former Defender of the Year for a scrub backup goalie. No one is missing Boz or his blog. Of course Soehn is the same guy who got rid of said Defender of the Year but REACQUIRED Rod Dyachenko.

Obviously Soehn is the best person when it comes to judging talent.

*Sarcasm Off*

Posted by: Guy Incognito | September 29, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

hope all is well, Goff.

Posted by: hoyanick | September 29, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Under "Good" I would include Chris Rolfe's performance against LA - despite the Eddie Lewis goal. His first goal was a perfect combination of grit and grace, and it's one I would have every youth soccer player watch.

Lesson: when you go down, get back up asap and get back into the play! Don't pout and flounce around looking for a call, or take the time to adjust your socks and pick your nose a bit.

Posted by: Modibo | September 29, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Goff, from the press box it may have seemed like there was 5k, but the shaded side of the stadium was 90% full by the middle of the first half. 12k might be a stretch but it's not crazy to say there was 10k there.

Posted by: Daniel | September 29, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the work, Goff. Hope all is well so that you can relax and enjoy this mini break.

Posted by: Kosh | September 29, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

"I am scaling back my blog work this week."

Fixture congestion takes an unexpected victim.

Rest up Steve, we'll need you for the playoffs. What? Oh. Never mind.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 29, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Steve thanks for everything you do, and building the stoop on which we roost! Stay Happy, Healthy and High... I mean medium, stay medium.
Go DCU!
Go Redskins!

Posted by: dadryan | September 29, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

GOFF... any word on Gallardo before you leave us???
--------------------------------------------

Waiting for Gallardo...

A Tragicomedy in Two Acts

Posted by: spike_2.0 | September 29, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo is back in town and will rejoin the team for training on Tuesday.

Posted by: Goff | September 29, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

@Mark R.:
well played.

Posted by: Matte | September 29, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Before they revise this new bill, is there any way we can get a bailout for DCU?

What's a few more million?

Call it "the stadium to nowhere."

Posted by: MR Caretaker | September 29, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

is it just me, or does anyone else think this guy looks a little like gomez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vu5bdwyUAE

Posted by: steve-o | September 29, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

is it just me, or does anyone else think this guy looks a little like gomez?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Vu5bdwyUAE

Posted by: steve-o | September 29, 2008 3:17 PM

Uh, the guy from Napolean Dynamite?

Yeah, it's just you.

Posted by: Reality | September 29, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Call it "the stadium to nowhere."

Posted by: MR Caretaker | September 29, 2008 3:07 PM
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As opposed to its current name "the stadium in nowhere."

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 29, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

90% of one side, plus MAYBE 10% on the other equals half-capacity at best (and I'd bet it was closer to 75% on one half and 5% on the other).

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 29, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Well Alec, half capacity at best=10k and I said it wasn't crazy to think there was 10k there after adding up the shaded side plus the stage/east side/sunny side/people who watch from the concourse. There was WAY more than 5,000 people there though, and believe me I know what 5,000 people at PHP looks like.

Posted by: Daniel | September 29, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

I was expecting Esky to have a better season this year. I hope he's back next year. Did he get injured this year or something?

Posted by: Matte | September 29, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

THE BAD - DC United.....so sad...

Posted by: bobf | September 29, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Is Joaquin shooting a laser out of his head?

http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/es/index.html

Posted by: RK | September 29, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Too many injuries and too many games. You can't lay all that at Tommy Soehn's feet. That said, the case can still be made that maybe its time for another coach. However I would not be suprised if DCU retains him.

Posted by: Ron | September 29, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

You thought Toronto fans were dumb? 5 kids were arrested at the Barca-Espanyol derby for shooting FLARES! Video:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2008/09/29/barcelona/1222692432.html

Posted by: RK | September 29, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I always liked Esky, that Red Bull celebration was classic.

Posted by: peridigm | September 29, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Bad.. New England Revs with just 2 wins since the Superliga win. :(

Posted by: Will | September 29, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

How about this tidbit. As of yesterday, MLS has a combined goal differential of ZERO!

502 goals scored and 502 goals allowed. Yikes!

I wonder if this is a record.

Posted by: peridigm | September 29, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Are you trying to be funny?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 29, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

@ Matte: Eskandarian has spent most of the season out with an injury, he may have suffered it preseason or just after the start.
It's good to see that he's playing and finding some success, after being out so long.

I wonder who in Goffs opinion "have no business reaching the postseason"...

That Mbuta/Kandji link up and goal was really sick! Kind of glad United won't be seeing those guys again this year.

Posted by: dadryan | September 29, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Any idea where the National Team will be doing its training camp, and will it be the type of thing where you can take kids to get autographs?

Posted by: 20007 | September 29, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

@anonymous

not at all, just stating the facts.

Posted by: peridigm | September 29, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: peridigm | September 29, 2008 8:19 PM

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Wouldn't it have to be equal goals for and against? Sorry peridigm but I see no way that post was serious

Posted by: AJ | September 29, 2008 9:09 PM | Report abuse

You know that gullible was removed from the dictionary?

Posted by: RK | September 29, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Bring back Goff!!

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 29, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that post might be in what was described in the previous thread as the "print addition".

Personally, I expect that MLS will achieve that every year. Of course, the numbers in the Championship will not add up so neatly this year -- since Reading is credited with one goal scored that was clearly not a goal allowed by Watford.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 29, 2008 10:45 PM | Report abuse

The amazing thing is that this phenomenon isn't limited to just soccer. Even in the NFL -- points scored is exactly equal to the points allowed. Surely, this is an indication of an intelligent design -- or at least, not a completely stupid design -- a creator of all things.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 29, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Wow, goff is gone for less than a day and the blog really degenerates.

Posted by: pigman sweet | September 29, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

You know that gullible was removed from the dictionary?

Posted by: RK | September 29, 2008 9:12 PM

It is too still in the dictionary. I looked it up.

lol!!! :)

Posted by: kristin | September 29, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

To get a winning streak I think that we need another player to come out with there personal problems. Have fun on vacation Steve.

Posted by: The Jim | September 29, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Reading is credited with one goal scored that was clearly not a goal allowed by Watford.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 29, 2008 10:45 PM
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Well played.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

SG, hope you're just taking a deserved break.

Post's blog software had a bit of a problem, so my thoughts on the debacle in Dallas were lost. They were lengthy like always, so I won't replicate them. Instead, here's a summation:

1st half: Awful in attack. Defending, aside from the goal, actually admirable considering game was offense v. defense drill. Tino deserved to be yanked.
2nd half: Good start, just missing final ball. Seeing Emilio botch a 1v1, pull his hamstring, get replaced by Dyachenko, and then having Dallas go up 2-0 on their first foray into our half was unspeakably brutal. Play in defense and middle thirds good, but final ball lacking. Moreno's red card totally inexcusable.

Now, to the question at hand: Will we make the playoffs? I can't bring myself to outright say no, but the odds look long. We have probably the toughest remaining MLS games, plus 4 more CCL games (even if we throw in all reserves, there are still enough injured players missing that regulars will be expending energy). Chivas is looking better lately, I believe we've lost every time we've visited Houston, and the Revs would love to bury us.

For those that think Columbus will be relaxing in the final game, you must not know the Crew organizations and fans. You might have noticed that a couple of them keep popping in here to kick us while we're down. Columbus has always been the ignored little brother that the rest of the East is too cool for, and they seem to look at us more than anyone else as their least-favorite team (those 90s playoff defeats still bother them). For those of you who follow the Caps, we're like the Pittsburgh Penguins to Columbus. Schmid might want to take it easy, but I would not be at all surprised to see the players respond to pressure from within the club and from the fans to come out and give us a beating. Plus, they should learn from our late-season swoons in the past 2 years.

On a separate note, I'm worried that Simms is so tired that he's going to pick up a serious injury. He's been really poor lately considering the standard we know he can reach, and it seems to me that it's all down to exhaustion. He has nothing left in the tank. An easy way to get hurt is trying to do the things your body is capable of at 100% when you are currently at around 60%. I think we need to see Vide against Cruz Azul, and maybe even against Chivas. Vide's probably close to 100%, and even if he's not as good as Simms, I think he'll have more to give to the cause. The best case scenario I see from playing Simms right now is that he turns in a 4 or 5 out of 10 and doesn't leave the stadium on crutches. He's simply too tired to give us a good outing, and tired players pick up injuries much more often. Call me paranoid, but I think it's a legitimate worry.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 30, 2008 2:41 AM | Report abuse

Simms isn't the only one who is worn out. Martinez is gassed. Moreno has shut down. Fred has had no wind in the sails for several matches now. Emilio had next to nothing in the tank in Dallas. The list goes on.

Posted by: Ron | September 30, 2008 6:25 AM | Report abuse

For those hoping that SG is ok, or on a 'vacation' please fire up your google machines (a wiki machine will work as well) and type in 'High Holidays'.

Posted by: JkR | September 30, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

Even in the NFL -- points scored is exactly equal to the points allowed. Surely, this is an indication of an intelligent design --
Posted by: Fisch Fry | September 29, 2008 10:50 PM
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No. It's a homeostasis through predator-prey co-evolution.

Posted by: Charles Darwin | September 30, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

For those hoping that SG is ok, or on a 'vacation' please fire up your google machines (a wiki machine will work as well) and type in 'High Holidays'.

Posted by: JkR | September 30, 2008 8:29 AM

Posted by: WINNER | September 30, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

That's exactly what I meant by "Happy, Healthy, and High!"

So, uhhhhm, how bout them Champions Leagues?

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

You know, another spooky thing about the year-to-date stats is that if you add up total matches played by each team, and then compare it to total matches played altogether, the first number is exactly twice as big as the second. I can't figure it out.

Maybe if you call them "games" it works out differently.

Posted by: gringo | September 30, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"For those hoping that SG is ok, or on a 'vacation' please fire up your google machines (a wiki machine will work as well) and type in 'High Holidays'."

Posted by: JkR | September 30, 2008 8:29 AM

I think Goff may have quit because Nancy Pelosi hurt his feelings.

Either that or Gallardo recommended this great hernia surgeon in Germany...

Posted by: garbaggio | September 30, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Laws of soccerdynamics:

1. Goals are neither created nor destroyed.
2. A goal scored is met by an equal and opposite goal allowed.
3. For substitutions, thou must count to three. Three shall be the number of the counting and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither shalt thou count two, excepting that thou then proceedeth to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the number of the counting, be reached, then thou shalt have no more substitutions even in overtime.

When I watch DC of late, I am reminded of the Laws of Thermodynamics, as interpreted by Allen Ginsberg:

1. You cannot win.
2. You cannot break even.
3. You cannot stop playing the game.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

If you're going to try, go all the way. Otherwise don't even start. This could mean losing girlfriends, wives, relatives, jobs. And maybe your mind. It could mean not eating for three or four days. It could mean freezing on a park bench. It could mean jail. It could mean derision. It could mean mockery, isolation. Isolation is the gift. All the others are a test of your endurance. Of how much you really want to do it. And you'll do it, despite rejection in the worst odds. And it will be better than anything else you can imagine. If you're going to try, go all the way. There is no other feeling like that. You will be alone with the gods. And the nights will flame with fire. You will ride life straight to perfect laughter. It's the only good fight there is . . ." —Henry Chinaski, Factotum, 2006

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm in for some of that derision and mockery stuff! Anyone else going tomorrow night?

I remember a nice goal by Cruz Azul's coach Benjamin Galindo back in 1994 at RFK in something called El Grupo de la Muerte.

Posted by: garbaggio | September 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Hope Goff doesn't have to scale back due to the Post not being able to make budget with the hit of the economy, and physical papers being one of the things to drop from my finances, I'd assume that lower end sports is the first to go.

Posted by: darryle | September 30, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

To comment on the minority sale of the Crew:

This is all fine and well if the group is buying out the existing minority owner, or helping the Hunts get out of Columbus at some point in order to focus on Dallas where they prefer to do business (and not well judging by The Oven's attendances this year).

However, I would be disturbed if the Crew were moved. While, as a market, Columbus is not the best from a television or median income area, it's been good to the league over the years. It was the home of the FIRST Soccer venue. And, like it or not, it carves out a team between the mountains and moves them closer to the coasts.

And while Lamar dug into his own pockets for the stadium, I feel that any team in negotiations (DC, New England, Kansas City, Houston, expansion sites) would be dealt a real death blow for any subsidy or co-investment with a local municipality as the locality would be able to point at the Crew as being the example for instability or another other manner of argument against such developments.

Now, all of this is rampant speculation with little solid evidence of the investment groups intentions or if the Crew/Hunts would like to sell a portion and why. However, hopefully this is not anything that will disturb the club and that this year's performance on the pitch can really help shore them up in that market.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | September 30, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

with Goff out, who's got news, etc to share?

for those that didn't see it, there's this:
"Tom Soehn is looking for answers to D.C. United's slide. Ten things to note from MLS Week 27"
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/columns/story?id=577246&sec=mls&root=mls&cc=5901

Posted by: downtown | September 30, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't buy the argument that Columbus having an SSS and moving would somehow hurt another city's chances at building an SSS. If anything, it could enhance their bid. Simply say "Columbus lost their team because their stadium wasn't up to par. It's an erector set with no suites, no corporate sponsor, a small fan-base, and a horrible location."

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 30, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

is this the post to be posting on while the post's writer is posting up? sorry, i'm going thru withdraw in more ways than three

Posted by: neednews | September 30, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Happy New Year, Goffinho!

Just put in my ticket request for tomorrow's game, and found out I may be the only one in a particular section of the stadium that is normally fairly full. Doesn't bode well, methinks.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 30, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Attendance for tomorrow...2000 and 1500 of them Crook Azul fans.

Posted by: tomorrow | September 30, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I hope we don't make the playoffs. I can't think of a faster way for Soehn to be sacked, unless he resigns.

Posted by: hope | September 30, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo giving interviews. Who are these people surrounding him. That hot chi..?
http://behindthebadge.com/

Posted by: td | September 30, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

You can see half of her face...how can you tell? You must be seeing things that you want to see.

Next time, imagine some wins for DC :)

Posted by: RK | September 30, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

hahaha

Posted by: td | September 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Maybe United should let fans come to tomorrow nights match up free of charge. Maybe make up for the dreadful conditions at RFK this year and all.
I just can't afford to go to this game, and from top to bottom the team themselves seem to have quit. I just can't justify paying to see these guys, with or without Gallardo tomorrow night. If it was free, I'd go. I know that sounds lame but I've got an extremely tight budget to work with.
I'll be setting up the lemonade stand the next two weekends to fund my "End Of Season? Super Tailgate Throwdown" when the Revs come to town... I hope that Win, Lose, or Draw Everyone comes out for that one.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Ron:

You're right, they're all tired, but to me Simms is of particular concern. His performances of late have all been uniformly poor (while the other guys have all mustered at least a couple decent showings, if not all at the same time) and his position requires more running than anyone else's. We just lost Emilio to a hamstring strain on what looked like a pretty innocuous play.

I disagree a bit about Fred, who actually looked like the only player with any spark on Sunday. His problem was that no one else was on the same page as him. Several times, he should have been put in behind the defense only to see the pass be too late and/or inaccurate, or to be ignored altogether for a lesser option. Unfortunately, Fred's not going to be able to score goals all by himself.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 30, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

re: "However, I would be disturbed if the Crew were moved. While, as a market, Columbus is not the best from a television or median income area, it's been good to the league over the years. It was the home of the FIRST Soccer venue. And, like it or not, it carves out a team between the mountains and moves them closer to the coasts."

-- none of this means a hill of beans to the league at present.

And "carves out a team between the mountains"? What is that supposed to mean? That it is a location between tghe mountains and the east coast? And Dallas is not? And Chicago is not?

"And while Lamar dug into his own pockets for the stadium, I feel that any team in negotiations (DC, New England, Kansas City, Houston, expansion sites) would be dealt a real death blow for any subsidy or co-investment with a local municipality as the locality would be able to point at the Crew as being the example for instability or another other manner of argument against such developments.

Now, all of this is rampant speculation with little solid evidence of the investment groups intentions..." - VBB

- and they couldn't point to Miami, or Tampa Bay, or San Jose/Houston, or the failing and flopping Rapids and Chivas?

Posted by: Ron | September 30, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

ManU in blue 3rd jersey...
Packed stadium,10,000 in attendance?
Berbatov with the best chance so far.
The Atmosphere looks, well, sounds pretty good.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Scholes off injured, Giggs in 16th minute.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Alright, I'll stop, I won't tell you who scored in the 22nd minute.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Simply say "Columbus lost their team because their stadium wasn't up to par. It's an erector set with no suites, no corporate sponsor, a small fan-base, and a horrible location."

Posted by: AlecW81 | September 30, 2008 12:33 PM
..........................................

What makes the location "horrible"? For one thing, it is within three miles of downtown, right off a freeway exit, and reasonably easy to get to from all parts of the metropolitan area. Is there some other location in the Columbus area that you think would have been better?

Posted by: The Jeff | September 30, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

First half of ManU/Aalborg has been more entertaining than I thought it would be. Worth watching for sure.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Columbus' attendance might increase if they came up with a trophy for each rivalry like in Big 10 football. They could play for a wheelbarow or something.


"Alright, I'll stop, I won't tell you who scored in the 22nd minute."

Why not? Anyone who visits a soccer website, especially one run by a newspaper, and expects not to see scores has a very weak grasp of reality.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@The Jeff: re: "What makes the location "horrible"? For one thing, it is within three miles of downtown, right off a freeway exit, and reasonably easy to get to from all parts of the metropolitan area. Is there some other location in the Columbus area that you think would have been better?

Posted by: The Jeff | September 30, 2008 3:21 PM "

You would have to ask the people of Columbus who stay away from that stadium in droves.

Posted by: Ron | September 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I love the Crew Stadium's location. I can drive a few hours there, watch a game, and basically hop right back onto Route 50 and head back to Virginia without ever having to go into the "city" of Columbus.

Posted by: Lonnie | September 30, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Jeff | September 30, 2008 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Berbo's second goal -- WOW! And the blue jersey goes very well with his eyes.

Posted by: Karen | September 30, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Goff, or anyone for that matter,
Does anyone have info as to when and where the USMNT will be training next week?

Posted by: BB | September 30, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Arsenal got the message. Poor Porto

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Any SI's been to England to watch a premier league game? How did you get tickets? I will be over in March and watch to try to snag tickets to the Man U - Fulham game at Craven Cottage. Any advice would be appreciated.

Posted by: strago | September 30, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

@I-270: I know coming here on a CL match day is about as stupid as walking into the Lucky Bar at 5pm and expecting the peanut gallery not to spoil any given result. No one was biting, the kid got up from her nap, and I realized that considering we won't be seeing the usual number of threads this week I was maybe forcing folks looking for Gallardo/DCU news into reading something they might otherwise keep their eyes off when a normal CL matchday thread exists. Just trying to give the locals the respect they deserve.
That being said if I'm able to catch the Liverpool/PSV jawn manana, I'll rattle off some tidbits if I can.

Berbatov sure makes it look easy doesn't he? Both of his goals were freaking gorgeous.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

270:

What rival does Columbus have? I thought that was their big thing, an unrequited search for someone to feel the same level of animosity back at them. They would love to be hated, but no one in MLS sees them as anything more than just another opponent. Maybe they can break someone's heart in this year's MLS Cup and finally stop being ignored.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | September 30, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Dudes!
No one wanted to talk about CCL? I swear the washington post's online tv guide didn't have this game in the lineup! What channel is this anyway?
Boom! Kamara with the Golazo in the 16th minute!
Who scored the first goal?

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

Hey all, - just found the entire Cruz Azul team in the bar of my hotel. Not drunk, unfortunately; I offered shots to all of them and they politely declined. Anyway, come on down to the crystal city doubletree (don't laugh, I didn't choose it) to see if you can entice them to overindulge. Just don't set off fireworks in the middle of the night. I need my sleep.

Posted by: troy | September 30, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

D. Lopez #9 Pumas scores in the 19th, while Stuart Holden lays on his back.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Waibel is going to kill someone to get even.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Pumas strikes from 25 yards after the Houston wall blocks the initial free kick.

Nice goal.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, fireworks in crystal city, that'd last long... Hmmm, I do have lights for a quick night ride down that way on the blacked out bike... Dark Clothes? Check.
I'm fresh out of fireworks though... I do have some pretty obnoxious cowbell and horn action:-)
Regulators! let's ride?

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

"Houston looking soft in that central defensive area." What's Bretos talking about?

Posted by: Anonymous | September 30, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Fair match up and plenty of goals so far... Glad I am watching the Spanish broadcast on channel 15 in Arlington!
Penalty!

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Ashe taken down in the area.

Kamara takes the PK.

3-2 in the 35th.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

What is **** this, an all-star game? Pumas equalizes. 3-3 in the 42nd

It colud be 5-3 Houston if Kamara and Jaqua had been on target.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I like it.
Ride it like you stole it.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Pumas free kick finds an unmarked Veron at the 6. 4-3 Pumas at the half.

Stay tuned for the 2nd half of the CONCACAF Champions League of Indoor Soccer.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching in English (FSC), but I'll bet the Spanish announcer has lost his voice, if not his mind, by now.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

anyone see the awesome toyota commercial where the chick keeps dropping her snacks in the driver's lap? Made me want to trade in the Honda.

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Good show in the Pumas - Dynamo game so far. But not for defensive purists.

Houston looks capable of scoring at any moment but so do Pumas. I wonder if the Dynamo will run out of gas in the 2nd half - they do have the experience of having played on the road in Mexico recently. No DeRosario (who isn't even available as a sub) or Ching (who is on the bench) for Houston so 3 goals in 45 minutes is pretty good output.

Posted by: garbaggio | September 30, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Weibel 4-4

A freakin' right back has 2 goals.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what is the spanish speaking GOOOOOOOOOOOL dudes name? They're both still talking ok, but they've slightly scaled back the vocal blast!
They showed the Marathon goal vs Saprissa... They showing that or talking about it on FSC?
Great match for both of these leagues being shown on two channels. Maybe DCU/Cruz Azul will be this exciting...?

Posted by: dadryan | September 30, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

It's been over 15 minutes without a goal. What a boring match :-)

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

So, are the Dynamo the best team in CONCACAF?

Is Dominic Kinnear the man to follow Bradley?

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

When I watch DC of late, I am reminded of the Laws of Thermodynamics, as interpreted by Allen Ginsberg:

1. You cannot win.
2. You cannot break even.
3. You cannot stop playing the game.


Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | September 30, 2008 10:23 AM

Quantization Revision of Murphy's Law:
Everything goes wrong all at once.

Murphy's Law of Thermodynamics:
Things get worse under pressure.

Posted by: SportzNut21 | October 1, 2008 12:11 AM | Report abuse

The Coyote Ugly: Anything having to do with the Galaxy

Actually, "Coyote Ugly" is too diplomatic. How about Wolverine Ugly?

Posted by: Joseph D'Hippolito | October 1, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

Houston-Pumas was a classic. The defending was poor (a 4-4 game with good defending is virtually impossible), but the difference in class between these two and Colorado-NY was very obvious. Houston will be upset not to have won being 2-0 and 3-2 up, but any MLS team that finds itself losing in the 2nd half in Mexico City and manages to get a result has done something quite admirable. It's also worth mentioning that this was without Davis and Ching, and with Mulrooney, Mullan, and DeRosario only playing as subs. Very impressive. If DC does not surprise us all and get into the playoffs, I think we can all start pulling for a Columbus-Houston MLS Cup final (unless you're really cruel and want the Revs to go and lose again).

As for the first Pumas goal (where Pumas actually played the killer ball within a yard or two of the legitimately injured Holden): You stay classy, Mexican teams!

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 1, 2008 2:29 AM | Report abuse

How about I get the ball rolling on what we want to see as far as a DC lineup:

---------- Moreno - Khumalo
------------------ Fred
- Guerrero ---- Vide ---- Kirk
Zaher - Burch - Peralta - McTavish
-------------- Crayton

If Crayton's knee is not 100%, then bring in Wells. That said, if the team wants any hope of winning this game, Crayton has to play.

At RB, I chose McTavish only because I feel like Namoff has endured more wear and tear. If it's actually McTavish that's more banged up, then play Namoff. One of the two should rest. I have Burch at CB not because I want to but because a) he's still better than P. Carroll and b) there's nothing like learning against people way better than you. Of course, if we played Koroma or Janicki instead of Burch, I'd have no complaints. Zaher comes in on the left because he's the only reserve defender that has played and not been badly outclassed.

In midfield, I picked Kirk because his speed and size could cause Cruz Azul some problems (provided he plays like he knows these are gifts he possesses, which he often seems to forget). I could also see Khumalo there, though that means bringing in Doe up top. Vide starts for Simms to give him a much-needed rest. To indicate the long odds on us tomorrow night, I find myself imagining Vide going in hard on a Cruz Azul player early; the CA player retaliates with a swing and gets a red card. Fred starts at AM because I will never suggest Dyachenko start there (as a forward, OK, but never in midfield again) and no one else is fit and available. Maybe we bring Moreno back there and play Cordeiro at forward. Finally, I picked Guerrero because he didn't log much time in San Jose and should be the only regular starter without over a full regular season already on his legs. Plus, his defensive work is going to be key.

Up front, Moreno has to play since he gets a rest against Chivas USA. Khumalo would partner him, and they did show a bit of an understanding in the home Dallas game. If Khumalo's on the wing, then use Doe and hope it's the Superliga Doe, not the other one.

It could work...right?

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 1, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

How am I only in the ugly and not Coyote Ugly? Getting suspended for one of the final games of the season when we are fighting for a playoff birth. And I am the captain. I wanted to be Coyote Ugly!!!!

Posted by: Jaime | October 1, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

On the first Pumas goal. Isn't the current FIFA ruling that only the injured player's team should put the ball out and that the opposite team can be cautioned for time wasting if they do? I've seen a few matches this year where the opposite team kept playing, although it was never in a scoring situation. Even if that's not the rule, I wouldn't expect sportsmanship in Mexico City during a US-Mexico matchup.

Re: MLS Cup matchup.
"(unless you're really cruel and want the Revs to go and lose again)."

Color me cruel.

Rev-o-Losers!
Clap. Clap. Clap, clap, clap.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

@Chest
No Quaranta or Martinez? Suspended?
An inquiring minds with a bad memory wants to know.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, I am really struggling. More than 24 hours without an SI post? Work is really starting to blow.

Posted by: Matte | October 1, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

"Dynamo, Pumas battle to shootout draw"

What a terrible title -- it sounds like they went to a shootout. Well done, MLSNET!

Posted by: RK | October 1, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else click on the article link for the Women's World Cup. Germans are seriously disrespecting the tourney, at least as a tourist draw. Except for the opener (Berlin) and the final (Frankfurt -- really? Frankfurt?), none of the games will even be in cities that hosted games for the '06 men's tourney. They've really gone into the second tier of German cities for this tournament. Might be an inducement to get the local townsfolk to the games, but hardly an attraction for foreign tourists.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

What article is that?

Posted by: RK | October 1, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Follow-up to Fisch Fry
The 16 teams will play in Augsburg, Berlin, Bochum, Dresden, Frankfurt, Leverkusen, Moenchengladbach, Sinsheim and Wolfsburg. Berlin and Frankfurt were sites for the men's World Cup in 2006.

A cursory look (with cursory knowledge of German geography) shows that Berlin and Frankfurt host teams in the Women's Bundesliga 1. Most of the other cities have men's B1 teams. Maybe it's a reasonable strategy as WWC is not as big a tourist draw as the WC. It seemed like most of the spectators in China were from China. Traveling supporters would probably go to the host cities anyway. Maybe off-the-beaten-tourist-path is a good thing.

Besides, by 2011, 1 Euro will be worth $200 US.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I have Burch at CB not because I want to but because a) he's still better than P. Carroll ...
Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 1, 2008 3:19 AM
______________________________________________

I thought Carroll was out for the rest of the season? So hard to keep track of them all!

Posted by: HarkesyRules | October 1, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 1, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Who cares about soccer or football at the moment, Phish just announced a reunion show at Hampton Coliseum.

Posted by: DC United Fan | October 1, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Tonight's meeting for the Masochists of DC will be held at RFK Stadium tonite at 8:00. All members are encouraged to wear black. Other members can be recognized by their Barra Brava and Screaming Eagles jerseys.

Posted by: boda united | October 1, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

That would be Jeff Carroll.

Posted by: marksman | October 1, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: 135 | October 1, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

Soehn has to...missing playoffs = losing job.

Posted by: RK | October 1, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Soehn has to ...making playoffs...winnnig mls cup...winning champions league= losing job.

Posted by: 135 | October 1, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it's a reasonable strategy as WWC is not as big a tourist draw as the WC. It seemed like most of the spectators in China were from China. Traveling supporters would probably go to the host cities anyway. Maybe off-the-beaten-tourist-path is a good thing.
..........................................

I believe this is the WWC item to which others were referring:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/30/AR2008093003079.html

I served as a volunteer at the 1994 WC, as well as the WWC in both 1999 and 2003. The training we received for the '94 event presupposed a lot of visitors from abroad; the training for the other two did not. In fact, that is pretty much how things turned out. If these second-tier cities each have the equivalent of an MLS SSS, that should be sufficient.

Posted by: The Jeff | October 1, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

i would advice all barra brava and screaming eagles..well mostly barra brava to go to the game tonight and just sit and not cheer , we have got to start putting pressure on the FO you guys can even go to the match and sit somewhere else and not support that could be a good wake up call..... Barras are supposed to put pressure on their teams and you guys arent doing nothing of that !! just mi two cents

DCUManiac

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

arent reserve matches Free ??????????

Posted by: Chris | October 1, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

whats different than any other game for the screaming eagles?????? they dont cheer anyway

Posted by: Chris | October 1, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

i would advice all barra brava and screaming eagles..well mostly barra brava to go to the game tonight and just sit and not cheer , we have got to start putting pressure on the FO you guys can even go to the match and sit somewhere else and not support that could be a good wake up call..... Barras are supposed to put pressure on their teams and you guys arent doing nothing of that !! just mi two cents

DCUManiac

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 11:41 AM

Here's guessing that you aren't Barra or Screaming Eagles.

Not support your team? You are an idiot.

Posted by: viv | October 1, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Chris, you are an idiot, I'm on the isle on 133/134 by the drum, come find me so I can smack you upside your head :-)
Sorry, unfair - you may not be an idiot - but you sure say idiotic things :-)

dcu maniac - the purpose of the la barra brava and Screaming Eagles is to SUPPORT THE TEAM, not "put pressure on them", where did you pull that from?
People from both groups should be there tonight screaming their fool heads off.
We aren't fair-weather fans, we cheer on this team if they win, lose, or draw.
Sack up and yell - offer them encouragement.

Posted by: Lonnie | October 1, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm so angry that I purchased the Champions League 3-pack @ $40/ticket. I would have stayed home and watched the Reserves vs. Cruz Azul on TV.

(By the way, being frustrated about wasting money doesn't make me any less of a fan. I just have very little inclination to pay exorbitant sums of money to watch the 3rd-stringers who aren't competitive in MLS games match up against superior competition. I'm a fan of the first-team more than of the shirt. Otherwise, I'd go to all of the reserves matches and to all of the DCU Academy matches.)

Posted by: DWE4 | October 1, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

We are a noisy and unsatisfied bunch.

NY Times
According to an analysis of more than 100 million blogs, message boards, and postings on social Web sites performed with Zeta Interactive’s RelevantNoise software technology, M.L.S. was third worldwide in the total volume of soccer posts, at 16 percent. M.L.S. followed the English Premier League (42 percent) and Italy’s Serie A (27 percent) but was ahead of Spain’s La Liga (14 percent) and Scotland’s Premier League (2 percent).

The analysis also found, however, that M.L.S. was last in positive buzz in the posts, with only 3 percent, compared with the Premier League (47 percent).

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Jeff | October 1, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: The Jeff | October 1, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

i would advice all barra brava and screaming eagles..well mostly barra brava to go to the game tonight and just sit and not cheer , we have got to start putting pressure on the FO you guys can even go to the match and sit somewhere else and not support that could be a good wake up call..... Barras are supposed to put pressure on their teams and you guys arent doing nothing of that !! just mi two cents

DCUManiac

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 11:41 AM
___________________________________________

Is this guy serious????

Have you ever even been to a DC United match? Are you even a real DCU Maniac???? If I were you, I would want to crawl in a hole and die after making that comment. Maybe you should be the one to not support this team.

Posted by: kris | October 1, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

to both of you idiots viv and lonnie ......

Supporters groups can make a difference in how the teams play what mvoes management makes... This is just a way to make sure they know that we are not sattisfied with the teams and managements preformance..... both of you dumd@$$es dont know anything about supporting !! Supporting is not just singing and jumping Supporting is also putting pressure on your team to pursue them to do better!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

dcu "maniac", perhaps then you can start your own "supporters" group and set your own agenda for when and where you'll be willing to vocally support your team's players. But don't tell folks in other groups, who have set guidelines for their behavior, we should change to your style of "support".

Being upset you payed too much for what this tournament has necessarily become for us is okay, and understandable.

throwing your team under the bus is fine too, but don't question those who don't believe that will accomplish anything. We have other ways to voice our displeasure to the management of the team. Not supporting the players on the field is not one we have chosen to pursue. If they don't have the fans in the stands (at the very least) to fight for, you tell them it's okay to play with no motivation at all. If you want to act like a metrostars fan, that's fine, don't ask me to be like that :-)
My opinion, ymmv.

Posted by: Lonnie | October 1, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I agree about putting pressure - or at least showing your displeasure - with the team. you can be a fan but not happy at all with the direction they are going. why can you not voice your opinion? Sure the players need to be supported, but that doesn't mean we should blindly and happily accept the moves of the front office and coaches. there's no need to be a lemming.
Not being happy with the direction of the team does not make you less of a fan.
And I'm also not happy about the fact that it sounds like DCU is basically throwing this game - or at least throwing out the reserves and giving up on this tourney - while happily taking people's hard-earned money.

Posted by: downtown | October 1, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

sorry - just re-read some of the previous postings. it sounded like folks were saying that fans must support the team uber alles. but that wasn't the case.

Posted by: downtown | October 1, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know why my "special" bus didn't come and pick me up for school today?


DCUmaniac

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree about putting pressure - or at least showing your displeasure - with the team. you can be a fan but not happy at all with the direction they are going. why can you not voice your opinion? Sure the players need to be supported, but that doesn't mean we should blindly and happily accept the moves of the front office and coaches. there's no need to be a lemming.
Not being happy with the direction of the team does not make you less of a fan.
And I'm also not happy about the fact that it sounds like DCU is basically throwing this game - or at least throwing out the reserves and giving up on this tourney - while happily taking people's hard-earned money.


Posted by: downtown | October 1, 2008 1:02 PM


Peter Angelos would think otherwise. If you're not supporting all the moves the F.O. makes than you're against the team.

Posted by: I Have Delusions of Grandeur | October 1, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

HAPPY SOCTOBER!!!

Posted by: Glaucon | October 1, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I thought it was Rocktober?

Posted by: RK | October 1, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

thanks downtown...

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know why my "special" bus didn't come and pick me up for school today?


DCUmaniac

Posted by: dcu maniac | October 1, 2008 1:09 PM
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The driver decided you were too much of an idiot to ride the "Special" bus. You have to walk...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

What a dumb fight!! LMAO

While I mostly agree with maniac I cant just go to a game and not jump and cheer and drink lots of beer... I've seen Barras going to games and no cheering and singing .... it happens.. Barra leaders actually have meeting with the players and the mgmt of the teams to come to an understandig they even go to their practices and believe it or not it works..
Coaches have been fired and players benched because of pressure that Barras have put into their teams. So i believe what maniac is saying is not that idiotic as you may think.

Talking to some of the players just the other day one of them sugested we call for Soehn's head because he sucks as a coach and that Barra Brava should put pressure on the front office to do something about it .. He said."to be honest with you with the team that we have we should easily be champs but unfortunetly with this coach we r going nowhere" so think about it ..

I am going to the game an screaming my lungs out so dont get me wrong but i believe maniac makes a really good point!

Posted by: 135 | October 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

This season can't end fast enough for United. Moreno suspended TWO games. #(*@&#H!

Posted by: Joe | October 1, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Febtober!

Posted by: Sean Connery | October 1, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

270:

FIFA also says you should be booked for removing your shirt. The fact that they ever felt the need to say anything about the unwritten rule of playing the ball out for injured players is sad. FIFA should have the good sense to stay out of issues of honor (a subject they don't understand), players should have the dignity to not feign injury, and teams should care about their opponent enough to allow truly injured players to receive treatment. I guess I'm an just an idealist when it comes to these things.

As for Tino and Martinez, I think they both need rest. Quaranta was dreadful at Dallas, and I think it was down to him being too tired to contribute more than anything else. Martinez has struggled with his decision-making lately, and has also looked less fast than he did just a few weeks ago. He's out of it physically and mentally, and needs a break. Let them chill out, and hopefully they can recharge for the Chivas game (aka the first game of the playoffs, as far as we're concerned).

Finally, on that article from the Times, I can't say I'm surprised. In the US, internet + sports = complaints.

HarkseyRules:

Jeff Carroll is out for the season. Pat Carroll has just not been playing.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 1, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

TEXA$

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 1, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@Glaucon. Thanks for the laugh. I had forgotten about Rob Stone's command of the language.

@ Chest. I'm with you on the sportsmanship. I was just offering a strict Roberts Supreme Court interpretation of the rules.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

ANORTHOSIS!!!!

Posted by: RK | October 1, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

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