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Gallardo Out for Season

Marcelo Gallardo, D.C. United's 1.9 million-dollar man, will miss the remainder of the MLS season with a knee injury. The results of an MRI exam showed a Grade 2 sprain of a medial collateral ligament, an injury that typically sidelines a player for six to eight weeks.

Gallardo suffered the injury during United's 3-0 loss to Chivas USA on Saturday night, his first game back from an adductor strain. He also missed nearly two months of the summer schedule with a sports hernia.

Gallardo's final numbers: 15 regular season games (14 starts), 1161 minutes, 4 goals, 3 assists. He started all four Champions' Cup games in the spring, played 10 minutes in four U.S. Open Cup matches, and did not appear in any of the six SuperLiga and Champions League matches.

His DCU/MLS contract is guaranteed next year, unless DCU finds a foreign club that wants him.

Meantime, midfielder Fred (hamstring) has been ruled out of Thursday's Champions League match at Saprissa and is almost certain of missing Sunday's league game at Houston. Forward Luciano Emilio (hamstring) is also unavailable Thursday and is listed as questionable for the Dynamo game.

Great news for the local ballclub, eh?

By Steve Goff  |  October 6, 2008; 1:00 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

just when we thought it couldn't get any worse...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The opportunity for all the reserves to shine is right in front of them. They can either pack it up and go home or play their guts out and make a case for themselves for next years starting roster.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | October 6, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Another DP bust. Guess the Houston/NE route is the best eh? Aside from Columbus of course.

Posted by: Tim | October 6, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

This is like getting kicked in the mouth and gut after being knocked out in 3 punches..

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

What's that sound?

Why, it's nothing more than a toilet flushing with around $1.9 million in it. Someone better go get a plunger.

Posted by: Word Up | October 6, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow, about $1,636.52 per minute on the field.

Quoth Borat: That's NIIICE.

Bet the developmental players appreciate those numbers...

(sorry, feeling cynical today)

Posted by: 22206 | October 6, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Let's get the same guy who recommended him to us to pass on the favor to a foreign club.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | October 6, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Vamos Reserves!!!

Posted by: JB | October 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Re: Gallardo

NEVER TRUST THE FRENCH!

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 6, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Why am I not surprised. I mean come on folks, did we REALLY expect him to be our saving grace?

Posted by: beltwayrob | October 6, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

"Fight on my men." Sir andrew said
"A little I'm hurt, but not yet dead
I'll just lay down and bleed for awhile
and then I'll rise to fight again."

Posted by: spectre | October 6, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

The Gallardo move is officially a bust, I had still held out hope that he was going to pull it together for the remaing 3 league games and surge us into the playoffs. He had some flashes of brilliance, but we severely overpaid for them. I think the most telling fact about this year is that our highest paid player had nothing to do with our most succesful tournament (so far).

The only team with 2 DP's and they're struggling to make the playoffs! let that be a lesson to teams thinking they can buy their way to a championship.

Posted by: DudeAbides | October 6, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

DP's seems like such a waste of time to me unless they are of the Beckham fame status. Blanco has also done really well to up ticket sales in Chicago and make the team some money. It's just too much of the cap to be devoted to one player, especially when they get injured. It's just too hit and miss.
That money is showing itself to be far better spent on increasing the quality overall of the team by Columbus, Houston, NE, and even RSL.

Posted by: elopingcamel | October 6, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo was a bust! I would trade Gallardo back to Agrentina or France. Fire Soehn! Cut Ben Olsen or bring him into the front office. Release Wells. Santino can go back to the streets of Baltimore for as much as I care. He was way too up and down to rely on.

Posted by: Alan | October 6, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Re: Gallardo

NEVER TRUST THE FRENCH!

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 6, 2008 1:28 PM
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Good to see you again, 2002/3.

Posted by: iammrben | October 6, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Tim: I'm not 100% positive, but Schelotto isn't a DP.

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

The opportunity for all the reserves to shine is right in front of them. They can either pack it up and go home or play their guts out and make a case for themselves for next years starting roster.

Posted by: DirtyHarry | October 6, 2008 1:13 PM
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At some point we have to stop calling them "Reserves." Given the availability of everyone else, they are actually the starters.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

It is very unfortunate that Gallardo has gone through so many injuries this season. He is a great player when healthy. The way Chivas USA picks up everyone else's trash and becomes our fortune, I would like to see him in a Chivas USA kit. When I met him at the HDC after a pre-season scrimmage against Chivas USA, he was asked if he liked any FMF teams teams. He said that his favorite is Chivas GDL and that would be the only team in FMF he would like to play for, but because of the fact that they only field Mexican players, he would never have a chance to play there. This would be his only opportunity to wear the Red and White! Maybe we could give him a performance-based contract and not need DP slot to do it. Wishful thinking of course!

Posted by: Michoacano | October 6, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn. This season couldnt have gone any worst as far as injuries and timing go'.

Posted by: Bolivian DC Fan | October 6, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Not to interrupt the rampant ninnying about regarding Gallardo (seems to me there was a DP last year that had injury problems but actually showed up on the field this year, how helpful tha twas...)

Goff,

Any sense of whether there's heat coming down on Soehn or Kaspar in light of results?

Posted by: Matt | October 6, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

"Santino can go back to the streets of Baltimore for as much as I care."

Classy, real classy Alan. The guy dealt with drug addiction to resume his life (not to mention his athletic career) and plays hard every game and often out of position. Classy.

Trade Gallardo to Argentina or France? Yeah, international "trades" occur all the time in soccer. Moron.

Posted by: DCU UCD | October 6, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Alan - regardless of what you think about Quaranta's play, that's a kind of effed up thing to say...

Posted by: DCBird | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Calm down, Gallardo will be back next year like it or not. If Jaime is coming back, no reason not to hope for the best for Gallardo too. Yes, this seasons been a bust but people act as if its the end of the world. At least this move (Gallardo DP)will make the FO reflect on how useful this strategy may or may not be in the future. The simple fact is we need more roster depth and the DP is not necessarily the way to go to achieve that. There are alot of MLS quality players in USL 1& 2 that do not play in MLS currently because of MLS's strict senior roster limits. The league needs to figure out a way to expand rosters while keeping some control of salary costs. We are not a rich sport in this country. This is not an easy task.

Posted by: sbg | October 6, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Wait, how much of this is breaking/new?

Posted by: Section 130 | October 6, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

News: Gallardo breaking!

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Nix him, his attitude sucked. I never wanted to gel with his team mates, preferring that they conform to him instead. He couldn't go a single interview without making some sort of condescending remark. He also has a history of being injury prone.

There are some players like an Etcheverry, or a Moreno, who come to this city, see this team, and want to mold it. They want to be a part of creating something great, they want THEIR names in the history books of our humble club.

Then there are the Gallardos of the world who are just here for a paycheck. Less Gallardos, less Seba Verons, More Morenos and Etcheverrys.

Posted by: Fire Soehn First | October 6, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, because it's completely Gallardo's fault he suffered a sport's hernia, adductor strain, and MCL sprain. :rolleyes:

It's also Ben's fault he couldn't recover, and Peralta's fault he had a sport's hernia, and Fred's fault his hammy is messed up, and Emilio's fault his hammy is messed up...

It's the training staff, stupid!

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 6, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Why do people get hung on his money? Injuries can hit anybody. Ben Olsen is making at least $1million this year and I don't see anyone averaging out his cost per minute.

Posted by: Bart | October 6, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo brought his own trainer from Argentina and still got hurt!

But you should definitely blame that on the DC training staff. Alec is as cluless as Alan. Injuries happen. Should Chivas and New Enlgand replace their trainers too? How about the NFL teams with a bunch of injuries?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Olsen is making a million? Since when?

His salary is a little more than 200,000.

Posted by: Goff | October 6, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Let me just say that I'm furious, and I want answers. I want the front office to explain why they thought they had to reconstruct the roster of a team that had the best record in the league for two straight years. Why wasn't the answer just managing better to peak at the right time? Particularly when revamping means jettisoning some very loyal guys?

DC United, are you listening? I'll be looking for that searching interview with Mr. Goff, or a letter in my mailbox. I'm sick of sports teams making the assumption that we identify with teams as brands. We like the players. Think about that before this year's fire sale.

Posted by: regular fan | October 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

We would be better off to pay Gallardo to stay home. There was to much build up about him being our saviour and building our offense around him-- BIG MISTAKE !
Even when healthy he was a bust! I think the players thought he was going to do it all- and at that price--- he should have!!
DCU should not rely so much on imported talent and look seriously at the Rev's domestic model.

Posted by: Mike | October 6, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

I promise to play at least 15 games next season and have DC in the playoff picture into mid July when I will be done for the season. Thanks.

Posted by: Gallardo | October 6, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Those commercials pay 800k -- or $10 per showing.

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The $1M for Ben's salary must include the Dick's Sporting Goods ad. If he gets $1 for each time it runs on FSC, he should have $1M by now.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 6, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Olsen is a longtime stalwart who deserves respect but maybe not a starting position anymore. Of course, with his heart, he'd HAVE to give as much fight as anyone else we're fielding right now.

A little defense for 'Alan', I think he meant trade him to an Argentinian or French team (not national...). I think Gallardo would be fine if he played at his best (such as it is at his age...) and weren't injured.

The really questionable bit of 'intelligence' comes from 'Virginia Blue Blood' who clearly needs to reread his American history; America wouldn't exist if it weren't for the French bailing us out during the American Revolution.

It seems there is general agreement on getting rid of Wells though!

Posted by: smioth@yahoo.com | October 6, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

I win.

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

I think RK is my identical twin separated at birth. The is about the 3rd time we've posted the same punch line within a minute of each other. At least I know where to go if I need a kidney.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 6, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I can live with United not making the playoffs this year, stuff (like injuries) happens, and I don't really have the cash for the playoff tickets anyway ;)
But please, giant flying spaghetti monster, if I have to endure them not making the playoffs, please be kind and make sure New Jersey also misses the post-season .......

Bummer about Gallardo being out yet again. I hope he comes back in February ready to go!

Posted by: Lonnie | October 6, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: regular fan | October 6, 2008 2:18 PM

Re-read your history. No one was 'jettisoned'. The front office made every attempt to keep Gomez, and did the classy thing when Perkins got an offer to play in Europe. Carroll and Boswell lost their starting spots deservedly last year.

Whom are you claiming was jettisoned for no reason?

Posted by: JkR | October 6, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

The really questionable bit of 'intelligence' comes from 'smioth@yahoo.com' who clearly needs to reread his definition of sarcasm.

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

So if DCU did want to trade Gallardo, which foreign club would be the best match?

Also, one has to wonder whether adding five new players to the roster in the Spring was too destabilizing, and whether the team would need MORE than a full season to fully gel? Is that Soehn's fault for not figuring out how to do that early on in the season, or the Front Office's for not fully taking into account personalities, styles of play, etc, when they first looked at these players? Who knows, maybe the F.O. honestly thought the new guys would gel, and they just didn't...

Posted by: Juan-John | October 6, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Who knows, maybe the F.O. honestly thought the new guys would gel, and they just didn't...

Posted by: Juan-John | October 6, 2008 2:39 PM

How many games did the starting 11 play together to gel?

Posted by: JkR | October 6, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

i think a hundred other people have already made this point five hundred times, but i think the mls would be a better league if it let clubs use "DP money" on the entire squad rather than over-the-hill, past-their-prime geriatrics.

i won't hate on gallardo. he came for the money, like anyone else would. the deal was bust for dc, who were ignorant of his health issues, but of course gallardo is not to blame for a lousy season.

if we are passing blame to individuals, we have to look at soehn first. i'm almost sure he'll be fired this winter, barring a soccer miracle taking place in the next couple weeks. i almost feel sorry for the guy.

real maryland needs a new manager; what are the odds that they'll have a job offer ready for him once he's available?

Posted by: longfellow | October 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo's knee injury was one of the few "contact" related injuries this year...


the never ending hammy, adductor/goin, and other muscular injuries that have plagues this team this year and last are very much the fault of the conditioning coach (not Goodstein)


the latest injury to Gallardo is just bad luck.... and contrary to your assinine statement Gallardo bringing in his own personal trainer is only more evidence of the shortcomigns of DCU's guy. He was looking pretty fit in the 70th minute up tot he point where he was inured on the tackle. Thats pretty impressive given the last time he had any real minutes on the field.


Inujuries liek concussions, broken bones, ankle spains, deep contusions, etc... resulting from on field contact are not the fault of the trainer. However, improper management of them by the fitness coach (and trainer) can lead to non-contact muscle pulls and injuries often of a different muscle group. Almost all of DCU's injuries this year are of the non-contact type, and the fact that they are reoccuring is just shockingly inexcusable

There is a preponderance of statistical evidence not only over this year, but last year as well that there is a problem with DCU's fitness and conditioning coach. part of this is to take a look at teams that have fitness coaches as part of their primary coachign staff and see the well below average injury rate. NE isn't one of them and perhaps their fitness and conditioning coach needs to update his resume too......

Secondary to the injuries is apparent general fatigue with some players resulting in decreased on field performance. Even if its not a conditioning problem a competant fitness coach would be advising the head coach and/or adjusting the level of intensity of the practices and recomending limits on minutes. This is not happening.


That said I applaud Gallardo's decision to bring (pay for) his own trainer back to the US.... that is the antithesis of just trying to collect a paycheck.


As far as comparison to other sports teams... yeah when you are hit by this many injuries of this its not uncommon, if not the norm, to fire the strength and conditioning coach....

Yankees did it last year after their third pitcher went out with a hammy in the first few months.... and it happens with relative frequency in the NFL.


I will agree with your comment about Alan.... his remarks about Tino were shockingly naive and malicious. He's had his sub par performances but hes had far more good ones and even on an off day works hard.

@anonymous (and ignorant coward)

Gallardo brought his own trainer from Argentina and still got hurt!

But you should definitely blame that on the DC training staff. Alec is as cluless as Alan. Injuries happen. Should Chivas and New Enlgand replace their trainers too? How about the NFL teams with a bunch of injuries?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 2:11 PM

Posted by: WC | October 6, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

A little defense for 'Alan', I think he meant trade him to an Argentinian or French team (not national...).
.........................................

But I think the point someone was trying to make was that even at the club level, trades (as opposed to cash transfers) are rare in international football. I suppose we could cut Alan some slack by using the term "trade" as a generic term for any type of transaction that moves a player.

Posted by: The Jeff | October 6, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I blame the training staff because so many players suffered very similar, PREVENTABLE, injuries.

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 6, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

well, if he's out for six weeks, there's still a chance he could make it back in time for the mls cup final, right?

....yeah, you're right, that's probably not realistic. well, at least we'll have him back in time for the february knock out rounds of the champions legue, right?

....right?

Posted by: stairs | October 6, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

If you watched the DC games, they continued to lose because of 2 primary reasons: 1. The defense could never keep us in a tight game. 2. DC couldn't cross to save their lives.

For defense, how many ties did we draw? Very few times because we couldn't rely on our defense to hold.

On offense, once teams realized that they could clog up the middle and have 3 guys on our 2 forwards, our forwards rarely saw the ball in the attacking 3rd of the field because our crosses constantly went nowhere.

Maybe spreading around Gallardo's salary would have helped, but Soehn/Kasper (it appears) didn't try to bring in any new defenders (development defenders don't count). It was always midfielders and forwards who they signed. We generally kept possesion ok. We need/ed better organizing defenders.

In the end, we still won the Open Cup and they'll be able to better focus on next season with fewer games.

Posted by: SkyIsNotFalling | October 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

So he's out for the rest of the year. Yawn!Hopefully he's in a different league next year. Can't believe they gave up on Gomez for brittle boy.

The rest of the year is three more CONCA-Laugh matches, all losses, and three more MLS matches, which the way things are going, could be L's

This season of suck (USOC excepted)can't end fast enough.

Posted by: Sam | October 6, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Did someone open the door to the stupid farm? There's a lot of stupid going on in here. So, by all the "stupid's" reasoning, New England Patriots coach and Front Office are utterly incompetent b/c Brady got hurt. Right?
We really do need an IQ meter here. Kinda like that sign at amusement parks, but instead of "You must be this tall", it would say "You're IQ must be this high before you can post."
Please, all you Forrest Gumps, think before you type and to quote Bill Murray "don't type angry".

Posted by: boda united | October 6, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

RE: Gallardo

I told you so.

RE: Quaranta

He's certainly better than he has been in the past few years, but objectively speaking, he's not that good. A few nice flashes most games, and a lot of clueless runs and soft defending. At

And then there's this:

"The opportunity for all the reserves to shine is right in front of them. They can either pack it up and go home or play their guts out and make a case for themselves for next years starting roster."

Yeah, good luck with that whole "getting better players who are willing to sign a contract for $12,900 a year" thing.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | October 6, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

DP's are like a box of chocolates.

Posted by: Mrs. Gump | October 6, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

well, if he's out for six weeks, there's still a chance he could make it back in time for the mls cup final, right?


Posted by: stairs | October 6, 2008 2:48 PM
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Even _if_ we make it to the playoffs and _if_ we make it to the MLS Cup final and _if_ Gallardo were to be healthy enough by then, he has demonstrated that he is someone that needs some time to work with the team on a consistent basis to build communication, teamwork, a almost a sense of rhythm. I don't think putting him in for one game, arguably the biggest game of the season, would be the wisest move. Of course, it might be right on par with most other decisions Soehn has made this year.

Posted by: HarkesyRules | October 6, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

$12,900 this year. With roster spots opening up, who knows?

Posted by: DoTheMath | October 6, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

to all of you out there ! I am a DCU player and i will tell you why everyone is injured... Tommy Soehn didnt give us one day to rest after the superliga.. he worked us like horses and this is why a lot of players are injured.. just letting you know so you guys dont make assuptions for the hell of it. I agree with some Soehn has to go , we doesnt know how to treat players he doesnt care if you are hurting or not he will tell you taht you need to get on the field and play and get the little injury you have much worse...

Just letting you know!

Posted by: mee | October 6, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

look on the bright side - hockey season is about to start.

Posted by: Sanguine | October 6, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

An e-mail from one of my buddies with whom I split season tickets:

We’re almost as dysfunctional and pathetic as the Oakland Raiders. Let’s compare the two:

We both make [stupid] front office decisions
We both have storied histories
We both lack the comforts of our own stadiums
We both have fans that face paint
We both wear black
And we both suck this year

How we’re different:

The Raiders still try hard
Somehow we still won a championship this year.

Posted by: DWE4 | October 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

With this many injuries, you'd think United has the same medical staff as the Nats.

Posted by: Andrew | October 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

HarkesyRules: I think the reference to the MLS Cup final, combined with a reference to the later stages of CCL, indicates that stairs was being facetious, and definitely not trying to start a discussion of Gallardo's availability for either of these two events, for which United's chances are essentially nil.

Posted by: The Jeff | October 6, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Sigh...

Posted by: RK | October 6, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised by the Gallardo injury. I'm a big fan of him -- but I think he has shown to be very fragile. The FO should have done a better job with this one. They wanted to sign a DP in the off season and it appeared they were going to sign one regardless of the potential consequences. Well, we are experiencing one of those consequences now.

Goff, do you have any idea how much allocation money is left over from the Arguez & Perkins transfers? Are we out already? I'd also be interested in a roster breakdown.

Posted by: strago | October 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

"to all of you out there ! I am a DCU player and i will tell you why everyone is injured... Tommy Soehn didnt give us one day to rest after the superliga.. he worked us like horses and this is why a lot of players are injured.. just letting you know so you guys dont make assuptions for the hell of it. I agree with some Soehn has to go , we doesnt know how to treat players he doesnt care if you are hurting or not he will tell you taht you need to get on the field and play and get the little injury you have much worse...

Just letting you know!

Posted by: mee | October 6, 2008 3:12 PM"

That jives with what I've heard (double hearsay) - the boys are not behind the coach at all right now.

Posted by: downtown | October 6, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey mee, what the hell are you doing posting on the internet and not training? Get back to work you lazy SOB.

Posted by: TomSoehn | October 6, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Boda, that may be true if we were only talking about one player on United with nagging injuries, and the injuries that occurred weren't preventable, but they were.

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 6, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Gallardo injured? Fire Soehn!

Posted by: Mickey Mouse | October 6, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Can we buy out Gallardo's contract? I've got $20 in my pocket.

Posted by: ef | October 6, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Veron would have been a much better option... He must have known something the FO didn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

$1.9 million? Ha! I flushed $700 Billion down the toilet;)

Posted by: Henry Paulson | October 6, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

If only the Washington Nationals had left their steroids at RFK.

It's clear to me now that (well save 2004) our previous period of success came while our co-tenants were there.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 6, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Can Gallardo retire?

I know that's not in his best (financial, and perhaps other) interests, but perhaps it could happen.

Would that free up the money (and DP slot) for United?

Posted by: our very own Reyna | October 6, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

FIRE PAYNE NOW!!!!!!!
He sucks at finding talent.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey Goff,

Excuse me if this has been discussed before but why are CCL matches taking place during an international break? I know MLS is too stupid to take a break but shouldn't we expect better from Concacaf?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

You can't fire Kevin Payne. He owns the team in a minority stake. Sure, you can take some responsibilities away from the guy but he'll still be there.

Dave Kasper is the GM.

Kevin = Ownership

Dave = Employee

Now - back to the melt down - sponsored by Joe Kinnear

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 6, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

isn't christian laettner involved somehow in the front office??

Can't trust Duke...

Posted by: BLAME DUKE | October 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Goff, That headline lacks an article. I read it as Gallardo out for "a" year, and nearly had a heart attack. I realized as I read the post that it was Gallardo out for "the" year as in remainder of this year.

And what a year it has been.

Posted by: skippy | October 6, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

boda united:

That's why I've been laying low.

"Blame the trainers" people:

1. Correlation does not mean causation. You will all do well to ponder this statement, especially when trying to use statistics to back your argument up.

2. WC says that the injuries are to be blamed on the conditioning coach. Go check United's web site...the team has no conditioning coach. Maybe that's the problem. At the very least, it's an angle no one has really approached here.

3. The idea that any muscle injury is the immediate and total fault of the training staff is ridiculous. There are many things that cause muscular injuries: overuse (which is what I believe is the main problem for us), poor general fitness (usually what you see at the beginning of a season), overexertion, using poor form to perform a task (typically, this comes from doing a lift wrong, but it's also very common for exhausted players to go through their explosive actions with poor form because they don't focus on the motion). Look at Emilo's hamstring strain. He took an odd swing at the ball in his attempt to slot it under Sala, and immediately went down hurt. Emilio, when not having gone through so many games and so much travel, would have used his natural motion and the odds of him being hurt on that play would be nearly nil.

I'm not saying you guys are wrong. I'm saying that, at present, you have a correlation as an argument and it doesn't stand up to even the smallest amount of scrutiny. Back yourselves up if you want to be so militant about an idea. At this point, someone saying they heard through a friend's cousin's girlfriend's sister that is on-again, off-again with a guy that was on trial at the beginning of the season that the training staff is all idiots has more credibility in their claim.

To me, it looks like the players are being overworked due to the fixture list and (speculation) because Soehn likely follows the Nowak model that demands 100% at all times, regardless of circumstances. Overworked muscles never get a chance to heal, and break down. That's why you see a team like Houston, with a deeper squad and significant minutes spread amongst more people, with almost no injuries at the moment, despite an equally daunting fixture list and travel schedule. It also doesn't hurt that they've had to chase fewer games, which as any player will tell you takes much more energy.

Does the injury crisis make me question the training staff? Sure, I'm only human. I can suspect something without assuming that it's the cause. However, I have seen no actual reason to believe that they're doing a bad job. I get the feeling that what's happening here is a rush to find a scapegoat by some justifiably angry fans, rather than a well-reasoned analysis of what's wrong.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 6, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 6, 2008 4:08 PM


Well done, sir.

Posted by: JkR | October 6, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Typical...

The guy comes back from a long injury layoff, pushes himself for the club which causes a more serious injury, and yet he get's creamed on this blog. That is how we reward a Gallardo for pushing himself for us.

Benny, lord knows I love him, is out all year, locks up a vital roster spot for us when we could have used it, and yet he get's our undying love, patience and sympathy. No arguments here, as he has more than earned it. That is how we reward a Ben Olsen for pushing himself for us.

Problem is when you juxtapose the two scenarios, one is left wondering if Gallardo is tasting all of this venom because of the cash, his being Argentinean, or his not being considered "United" enough.

As we all know, if you play the game you can get hurt. Whether you are a DP or a "reserve", hurt is hurt. Nothing good comes from playing hurt - see Becks and now Gallardo. But I guess the dynamics of an injury tends to work different for people who make more money than the rest of us.

On the money front, he demended a certain amount of dollars and DC saw fit to pay that amount. He probably was talked down from wanting more, or he could have been talked down further from what he is being paid now. Who knows? At this point it does not matter. The man has skill and anyone who challenges that are either lying to hemselves or just don't understand what a top player really is. So United spalshed the cash, and the guy got hurt. I fail to see how getting hurt is Gallardo's fault and it confuses me as to how that makes him deserving of some of the statements posted here.

As for being "United" enough...the guy played hard for us, fought for us, bled for us and even hurt for us. He showed passion, hunger and anger and did not take the field in a reckless or carefree manner. Count the stats, the minutes or whatever...when he wore the shirt, albeit briefly, he wore it with pride, passion and in the tradition we have come to identify as "United". So for me, Gallrdo was "United" enough to gain my respect and trust that he is hurt and that he did not come here to rob us, or vacation in our stadium.

Am I ticked that he could not do much to help us this year? Absolutely. But with what he showed and gave us in his brief, injury riddled tenure so far, I refuse to throw Gallardo under the bus and say nasty things about him here.

Now Soehn is another issue altogeher, which I will get to when the time is right.

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh | October 6, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Some of you on here can't seem to understand basic logic. Gallardo is Argentinian, who played in Argentina before heading to Monaco and PSG, hence why I said send him back to Argentina or France. I guess for some of you on here you are ready to pounce on me rather than the management of DCU.

Bottom line is, for many of you, it will be easy just to say to hell with this season, make no changes, bring back Gallardo, Olsen and Moreno and hope for the best..Oh yeah, and please raise our ticket prices as well while you are at it!

Personally I will close this season out at RFK for the Revs game, and then further than that I will have to re-evaluate my season ticket loyalty.

Posted by: Alan | October 6, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Do any other football clubs use cycling and or swimming to maintain optimum fitness, or is that too *gay* for soccer players?
You've got certain guys in the NFL who've started using swimming, and cycling in the off season, not to mention particular NBA guys.
Just curious if anyone out there has any insight into such things.

There's a lot to be said for the type of stamina one can develop cycling and even an increased ability to recover quickly. Maybe United will have some openings for some new trainers this off season?

Posted by: dadryan | October 6, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Kosh | October 6, 2008 4:13 PM

and Well done, sir, to you too.

Posted by: JkR | October 6, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I wont move the football. As proof, here is a signed contract.

Posted by: Lucy Van Pelt | October 6, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

don't question the FO, the coach, or anything related to the team. blind loyalty is the best thing we can do.

Posted by: we walked in line | October 6, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

gallardo out? big deal! so what! he was awful and this team is toast. fire kasper and soehn --- they've destroyed the DCU franchise

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dadryan | October 6, 2008 4:24 PM
Do any other football clubs use cycling and or swimming to maintain optimum fitness, or is that too *gay* for soccer players?
You've got certain guys in the NFL who've started using swimming, and cycling in the off season, not to mention particular NBA guys.
Just curious if anyone out there has any insight into such things.


Swimming & biking are great for cardiovascular fitness and both are low-impact. I know a little more about biking than swimming, but from what I've read, biking and running use completely different muscles.

If not done properly, though (meaning sitting incorrectly, too low of a cadence, etc.), biking can be hard on knees.

Swimming also gives a little dose of humility to non-swimmers the first couple of times in the pool. You feel like you've spent the last 2 months sitting on the couch as opposed to running every day. ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm late to the party, but elopingcamel made an excellent point. Given what DPs cost, a team should be looking at more than their impact on the field. Gallardo was not a big name -- despite a lot of hype when he first hit the scene, he'd long ago become a bench player and then an afterthought in the Argentine national program. He was never going to put a lot of fannies in the seats, even if he did set the league on fire -- which was probably over estimating his abilities.

I don't know if there is another Beckham or Blanco out there. Obviously, a top Mexican player would have a certain draw, but there aren't any other Blancos, with the next best candidate being Rafa Marquez. Thierry Henry will have a serious box office future as a DP, but everyone seems certain he's slated for Seattle, NY or LA. Not sure if Shevchenko could justify the wage he'd command, but we keep dreaming his wife could influence him to come to this cowtown. Of course, there's always Zidane.... But, seriously, if DCU unloads one or both of its DPs, or waits a year, who is out there? Where are the real DPs that would want to play here?

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 6, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Veron would have been a much better option... He must have known something the FO didn't.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 3:53 PM

Of course, he would have been a better option. He's a better player. That's why the FO pursued him so doggedly. The problem with the Gallardo signing is it was probably put together far too quickly, in the wake of Veron's backing out. It was a reaction. Mgmt decided they didn't want unilateral disarmament in the DP arms race. When Gallardo presented himself, they bit.

On the other hand, if he really can stay healthy next year, he might pay off... That was a pretty nice ball he delivered to Namoff (Namoff's header hit the post), just before he went off. Not every ball he hit was that good, but if he could stay healthy long enough to get used to his teammates, there would be a lot more of those. He's not Beckham, but he's pretty good by MLS standards.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 6, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@ chest rockell

1. Correlation does not mean causation. You will all do well to ponder this statement, especially when trying to use statistics to back your argument up


yup.... done that. Checked both sides of the argument...analyzed potential cuasal relationships, even for S&G ran a confidence interval.


Moving on:
Actually they do have a coach... asside from Will Chang mentioning it at one of the tailgates you can find it here:

http://dcunited.mlsnet.com/t103/load.jsp?section=about&content=staff


Assistant Athletic Trainer, Strength & Conditioning Assistant Pete Calabrese

A little research and less virtual jaw flapping or chest thumping will serve you well

But thanks for echoing my sentiment that the importance of fitness and conditioning is such that it needs to be a substantially higher level position within the coachign staff


As for your third point you make with regards to over exertion/use poor pre-season fitness, etc.. that is very much the purvue of the fitness and conditioning coach to analyze and address these issues. This isn't an opinion its a fact. Before you contaminate this blog any further with your ignorance go talk to a highly qualified fitness and conditioning coach.... better yet find one who is actually knowledgeable and experienced in soccer specific issues. I haven't spoken to one in the past two years who hasn't placed the blame on the fitness coach and or Soehn if he is not listening to this individual or giving him enough time to work with the individual members. I have even spoken with some trainers who were incredibly accurate about prediciting the injuries, and very detailed in the specifcs of the root cause that have occured the past couple of months, and none who were wrong. The fitness concerns were the same as they were during the off/pre-season unfortunely we once again got burned by the lack of attention to this critical issue.

BTW... its the coaches responsibility to analyze, identify, and manage specific muscle group injuries and fatigue which can lead to injuries of other muscle groups for things as you notice poor form that could be due to tighness or other injury. So again thank you for validating the point that the fitness coach is (at least partially) at fault


Part of the problem is this generic udnerstanding of the field that in part derives from the colelge mentality that football (and then B-ball) is king and the training facilities and corresponding student training programs are geared towards teaching trainers for these sports, and have their internships with these programs.

We can debate if its the trainers fault or Soehn's fault, but the current set-up is oen destined to failure and needs very close scrutiny and attention.

Spend time coaching soccer or other high intesity sport at a D-1 varsity or other top level and you will also gain insight into this issue which you clearly lack.
If you are, please for the well being of Insider nation let us know so we do not send our chidlren to spend time with you

As for your Assume ing ... I wish you wouldn't do it... becasue its only making
An Ass (of) U and not Me (as in those after the trainer)

You are also incorect about universally thinking this is about angry fans posting in frustration. There are those attemtping to inject facts and rational discourse in the midst of wildly uninformed speculation.

@ chest rockwell:

2. WC says that the injuries are to be blamed on the conditioning coach. Go check United's web site...the team has no conditioning coach. Maybe that's the problem. At the very least, it's an angle no one has really approached here.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

You are damn straight gallardo was a BUST. He showed up COCKY, OUT OF SHAPE and demanding the team cater to his style. He didn't lead, he didn't win and he got hurt due to being out of shape. Did anyone else notice his smirks and the triple chin he was sporting?

Maybe next time we won't freak when a "Veron" puts a pole up our arse and be very calculated when signing a high priced commodity.

Mashmellow can still redeem self next year by coming back ready to play and playing to potential.

Posted by: Willis Roberbon | October 6, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

That said, we need someone who can score with free kicks, and deliver some nice corner kicks, too. Gallardo isn't that guy. I noted that when we signed him, after seeing highlights of a bunch of near misses...

I don't know if anyone noticed, but I'm trying hard to remember corner kicks on Saturday that weren't short corners. I believe I remember Burch serving up one into the box after he came on late, but all the ones before may have been short corners. That's just ridiculous. If the coaching staff and the team have that little confidence in their ability to convert on set plays, they need either new coaches or new players.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 6, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

WE WILL TAKE GALLARDO OFF YOUR HANDS!!!

Posted by: CHIVAS USA FO | October 6, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Chest Rockwell for coach, and/or president. I've started doing word searches for his commentary to avoid the rest of the tripe on here.

Posted by: viv | October 6, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Production this season:

Quaranta- age: 24 (on Oct. 14), salary: $35k, goals: 5, assists: 3, minutes: 1693.

Gallardo- age: 32 , salary $1.9mil, goals: 4, assists: 3, minutes: 1161.

I, for one, hope Quaranta is back next season. He isn't our American savior but he seems to be playing hard and is still an impressive talent.

Posted by: hoyanick | October 6, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Million Dollar Donut is what he was.

20 appearances. $100,000 per appearance. If it wasn't for Claudio Reyna, he'd be the biggest bust ever in MLS.

And we have to pay him for next year.

Here's hoping River wants him back.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: JayRockers! | October 6, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Swimming & biking are great for cardiovascular fitness and both are low-impact. I know a little more about biking than swimming, but from what I've read, biking and running use completely different muscles.

If not done properly, though (meaning sitting incorrectly, too low of a cadence, etc.), biking can be hard on knees.

Swimming also gives a little dose of humility to non-swimmers the first couple of times in the pool. You feel like you've spent the last 2 months sitting on the couch as opposed to running every day. ;)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 4:49 PM

Umm -- biking being hard on the knees? Try running, or playing soccer -- if you want something that's truly hard on the knees. Swimming and biking are great cardio exercise, and should be in a good regime. However, they're not what physios would call functional exercises, in that you're not using gravity. Your feet aren't on the ground, so you're not pushing them in the same way as you do in soccer, or even just running.

There are other exercises, though -- plyometrics, which push against gravity and should be an indispensable part of any soccer player's workout. If you've got a teenager in your family, particularly a girl, they should be doing a plyometric regime to strengthen the muscles around the knee. Wish I'd known about this stuff before I tore my ACLs. Now that we've discussed these exercise regimes, I'm sure one of us is in line to be DCU's next strength and conditioning coach.

Posted by: FF | October 6, 2008 5:48 PM | Report abuse

The next player who takes a short corner should be yanked off the field, turn in his uniform, and be put on the next train home. It NEVER works.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for Claudio Reyna, he'd be the biggest bust ever in MLS.

Denilson >>>>>>>>>>>> Reyna >> Gallardo

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I think the point was that swimming and cycling are great aerobic sports that save the wear and tear on your body, because gravity's impact on your body is diminished.
Unless of course the bike doesn't fit right.
I would say cycling would be very practical for United in particular considering there is plenty of space to ride in around RFK, not to mention the trail that kisses the far edge of lot 8.
Getting miles under your belt makes riding easier, and changes your perception of distance allowing for longer and longer rides. I know these guys are all in far better shape than the average joe, but group rides could help in more ways than one.

Posted by: dadryan | October 6, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

My point was that the utility of biking and swimming is kinda limited for soccer players, precisely because gravity is out of the equation. It's OK to mix up your routine and they will definitely help your endurance, but they're a supplement to and not a substitute for running. It's not that lung endurance doesn't count in soccer -- it does. But, leg endurance is so much more crucial.

Posted by: FF | October 6, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Well FF, you have a good point there. Unless you are riding a fixed gear, you rest when you stop pedaling.
Sounds like we're both concerned about United's routine when it comes to accountability in the player's fitness level.
I've earlier brought up cycling when guys have been injured, in my mind as a way to keep up some of their fitness level when they are not in a position to be running. You are 100% right about it being a supplement and not a substitute.
I think strayed from my original thoughts which were primarily about guys not losing their lungs when they're sidelined with injuries limiting their running routine.

Posted by: dadryan | October 6, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

The next player who takes a short corner should be yanked off the field, turn in his uniform, and be put on the next train home. It NEVER works.

You must not watch televised soccer very much. I have seen it work numerous times.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 6, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

So was Ben Olsen's appearance for Beckham game for the fame? They clearly knew he wouldn't be fit.

Posted by: td | October 6, 2008 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Kosh:

Well said. I've never understood why people have called Gallardo's effort or integrity into question. From where I sit, it's been plain to see that he's giving his all and that, after an initial adjustment period, he looked really good. Gallardo's injury is not a character flaw.

Fisch Fry:

There are indeed an extremely low number of Beckham and Blanco-level names. I don't think Marquez would quite hit that level, since he's not an attacker. Honestly, for non-Euro-based players, Blanco might be a completely unique player in terms of the DP. No other Mexican player at present has hit the levels of notoriety that Blanco has, even though several are playing at a level higher than he ever did.

Basically, the list of players that would have anything near a Beckham/Blanco level of impact and are at all realistic acquisitions (ruling out C. Ronaldo, for example) would be Henry and Ronaldinho (and that would require he turn up fit, something that I'm not sure would be guaranteed). To reach the kind of fame that would reach the casual US fan, you'd have to either dominate the Premiership or a World Cup.

Anonymous | October 6, 2008 5:03 PM:

You seem to know something about statistics, which makes adherence to the "blame the trainers" idea even more preposterous. Lots of injured players is not automatically linked to poor training.

You do have me on not finding/remembering Pete Calabrese. I looked on the roster page, saw no one on that brief staff listing, and that was it. We are in agreement that his position should probably be more important than it appears to be from the outside looking in.

The fact that the things I listed are the responsibility of a fitness coach does not mean that he is doing a bad job monitoring them. It could well be that he's doing a wonderful job, but is being ignored. Or, it could be that he's doing about as good a job at this as a random person off the street would do. All I've been saying all along is that no poster here appears to have any inside information on the topic, which makes blaming the trainers as silly as blaming our stars for being out of alignment. If you're being honest and you actually know these trainers who are both highly talented and, apparently, clairvoyant, then I beg you to get them in touch with DC United so we can avoid this situation. A trainer that can predict the future would be an amazing asset to the club.

Saying I'm not fit to coach a kids' team, when a) it's only extremely tangentially related to the subject at hand, and b) something that would not be at all proven or disproved by what I wrote, is mud-slinging not fit for the campaign trail. You disagree with me, fine, but you still have little evidence in your favor and look silly by calling me names. You're claiming to want to bring facts and rational discourse, but your post has more insults than either of those.

viv:

You're too kind. I do hope you're not skipping out on a lot of the other regulars here. There's a reason I do keep coming back, unlike BigSoccer (which also has good posters, but also comes with a higher volume of lunacy).

As president, I'd probably run the team into the ground (I've never run any business, much less one involving millions of dollars and outside pressures like angry fans and an uncooperative city). I would, however, ensure dadryan got the 3rd jersey he's been after.

As coach, the best I could promise would be to be the most appropriately dressed coach in team history. No polos and warm-up pants (Arena, Rongen), no warm-up shirt and shorts or disco pants (Hudson), no Adidas short-sleeved dress shirts (Nowak), and no pastels (Soehn). That, and better quotes to the press.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 7, 2008 2:24 AM | Report abuse

@Chest: Better quotes to the press than Hudson? Um, I don't think so.

Posted by: Ron | October 7, 2008 7:56 AM | Report abuse

As coach, the best I could promise would be to be the most appropriately dressed coach in team history. No polos and warm-up pants (Arena, Rongen), no warm-up shirt and shorts or disco pants (Hudson), no Adidas short-sleeved dress shirts (Nowak), and no pastels (Soehn). That, and better quotes to the press.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 7, 2008 2:24 AM
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100% agreed. and Bod Bradley.

Posted by: td | October 7, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Chest Rockwell for coach - just for the Joe Kinnear moments.

"Who's Steve Goff?"

"I am."

"You're a ******!"

And where is Ives Garclep? Not here? Well #### him! And all those ####ing #####s on Soccer Insider, **** with the whole lot. What kind of ***ing mother names her child after a ####ing highway?!"

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 7, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

@ chest

See, there I disagree with you. Lunacy on BigSoccer has its own logic. This can get infinitely more ridiculous. I don't skip out, though, despite what I say. Much.

Posted by: viv | October 7, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Chest Rockwell (and anyone with the time to research),

I don't have the time at the moment to verify, but didn't DCU have a lot of intense training sessions/exhibition matches early this year?

I remember a 6-0 victory over the U-17s at Bradenton and a number of 0-0 draws with other youth residency squads/youth program squads/local colleges/traveling clubs occurring sometime between January and March.

With that, and the early season fitness situation with Emilio and Kpene (which Soehn was clearly unhappy with), does a possibility exist that the club was overworked in the first half of the season, including Gallardo?

...Or should I go eat breakfast before typing things online?

Posted by: B.A. | October 7, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Little by little this franchise got itself to this particular point, many of the players we got were not the players we wanted but the ones we could get, and thus, we had to play this players ex. Fred out of position because you could not have Christian and him at the same position on the field. Gallardo is a passer of the ball unlike Christian who ran at the heart of the defense, by doing so he opened the field for the other guys to make runs into the box.By getting Gallardo, we had to consider getting at least two outside midfielders with speed and enough skills to either cross or create offense for Luci and Moreno, that did not happen. Also our lack of athleticism and speed in the back line were the main problems with our defense last year, what did we do this year? we went out and got two slower center backs, whos fault that is? United cannot play that style of football any more the neverending passing with no surge forward with no speed or dynamic, all opposing teams have to do is pressure and we eventually will cough it up, whos fault for failing to see this problem is that?

Posted by: hinchadedc | October 7, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

this is not good at all...

i guess we'll look ahead to next season

Posted by: bryan | October 7, 2008 6:33 PM | Report abuse

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