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Matchnight: United-Cruz Azul

Will Tom Soehn march out an entire reserve lineup? Or, more likely, a blend of regulars and reserves?

In case you missed last night's group result, Saprissa at home defeated Marathon, 2-1, to pull into a tie with the Honduran side. If Cruz Azul defeats DCU tonight, there will be three teams with six points and one with none at the midway point of the calendar.

I'll be talking about DCU on Comcast SportsNet's "Washington Post Live" at around 5:30 p.m. today with a replay at 11:30.

Match kickoff is 8 p.m. on Fox Soccer Channel and Telefutura.

Back later with the lineup.

DCU LINEUP (4-5-1): Wells; Thompson, Janicki, Burch, Zaher; Kirk (right), Vide, McTavish, Moreno (playmaker), Dyachenko (left); Doe. Subs: Thorpe, Cordeiro, Carroll, Miller, Quaranta, Khumalo one more TBA (only 17 in uniform).

As usual, this is the gathering point for pregame, in-game and postgame banter.

By Steve Goff  |  October 1, 2008; 4:37 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

This is madness!

Posted by: EdTheRed | October 1, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This is CHAMPIONS LEAGUE!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Leonidas | October 1, 2008 5:05 PM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the time I tried to juggle knives drunk after getting my nose broke at a street fair.

Posted by: dadryan | October 1, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Leonidas FTW!

Posted by: EdTheRed | October 1, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Champions League this year? It's a first year tournament that no one is paying attention to. (I'm betting 6,500 at RFK tonite.) It's far more embarrassing to miss out on the MLS playoffs than to get eliminated from a tough Champions League group. The league has to be the priority...this year.


Posted by: Reality | October 1, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm making a prediction: DC, backs to the wall, pulls out a shock upset draw.

Sorry I haven't been around... L'shana tova!

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | October 1, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

HAPPY SOCTOBER!!!

Posted by: Glaucon | October 1, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Let the beating begin!!!!!!

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | October 1, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Hoping for the best, but fearing the worst.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 1, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Yesssss........Soctober, thank you Glaucon.

Mix of reserve and regular. Definitely get Jaime now, eh? That should help control the pace a little. Maybe a little Gallardo?
Have only seen Cruz Azul play once, when they beat Saprissa (I think) 4-0. They looked OK but nothing overly special.
A lot depends on DC's d-mid and center D pairing.
I'm looking for a strong performance at home - the rest of the problems and excuses be damned. Houston ran a track meet in the altitude last night and did not appear phased or distraught. DC needs to man up also.

Posted by: marksman | October 1, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

EdTheRed and Leonidas:

That's what's up.

If I was a player on United, I would be watching 300 and Rocky over and over again to get in the right mindset.

MJ:

Welcome back. I hope you're right or...dare I even dream it...selling us short?

I avoid predictions due to superstition, but what I'm hoping for is a Cruz Azul team that wants to play slowly and that avoids direct play down the middle. That, and for Vide to provoke someone into being sent off.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 1, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Come on DC United!!!!

Posted by: Red Devil | October 1, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

No, I just think that they're going to play like underdogs, and that style suits them.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | October 1, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

United CAN WIN. VAMOS UNITED!!!!

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't pay to watch this

Posted by: ugly footy | October 1, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

dcu lineup is now available; see top of thread

Posted by: Goff | October 1, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

What is the deal with that backline. Where is Namoff, Gonzalez, and Peralta? The worst starting defender is the one with the most experience: Burch. WTF is wrong with Soehn?

Posted by: Wow | October 1, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Soehn has given the white flag on this game, on paper of course.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, since WFED is braodcasting the Capitals' preseason game, who is carrying the online stream of Tony Limarzi's DCU play by play?

Posted by: SportzNut21 | October 1, 2008 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for the fans that went out of their way to support the team

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

So what's attendance gonna be like tonight? In other words, how many Mexicans will be in the stands?

Posted by: Glaucon | October 1, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Wow | October 1, 2008 7:09 PM

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Soehn has already thrown in the white flag for the CCL. Getting into the playoffs will be the goal of the team, as it should be. Moreno is playing for his suspension from elbowing Rocha from MLS. Burch? I have no answer, other than he is a converted forward with no right foot to speak of. Ignoring last year, he has a place on that backline.

From the horses mouth: "The regular season does take precedence. We need to make the playoffs, and we are going to put ourselves in the best opportunity to do that."

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 7:22 PM | Report abuse

"Wake Me Up, When September Ends!"

It has ended now Wake UP! DC UNITED!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

ughhh Doe is on the field :(

WOOOOOOOOOOOOT YAY KIRK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GoUnited | October 1, 2008 7:28 PM | Report abuse

God, this is going to be ugly. Hope I'm drunk by the time we go down 2-0 to ameliorate the frustration. Soehn is doing the right thing, though. We are decimated and should cling to the thin hope of a playoff birth and miraculous post-season resurgence.

Thank God we won the Open Cup.

Posted by: Brokefoot | October 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm actually looking forward to watching some of the reserves play- I hope Cordiero gets some time as well.

Posted by: laur | October 1, 2008 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Re: Just out of curiosity, since WFED is braodcasting the Capitals' preseason game, who is carrying the online stream of Tony Limarzi's DCU play by play?
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If it's like the league games of late, unless you're paying money to MLS, the games aren't available online anymore. Ever since WFED switched to 1500 AM, 1050 AM is a simulcast of WTOP. United games are still on the radio there, but there appears to be no free online stream that I can find. Given the radio signal of 1050 AM at night doesn't reach very far outside of Montgomery County, your only option would be TV or paying MLS money to hear it online. At least this is on FSC rather than Telefutura which a lot of people don't get.

Posted by: TH | October 1, 2008 7:34 PM | Report abuse

"United CAN WIN."

Not likely with this lineup.

I'd say odds are at 12:1

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm looking for surprises tonight...

Posted by: LN Hunter | October 1, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

And.....a win would be a surprise, right?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Come on United!
Maybe tonight Dychenko will be the game changing difference. (In a good way!)

Posted by: dadryan | October 1, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

L'shana Tova at you MJ.

No way DCU pulls an upset here. That's not a lineup capable of producing the offense it will take. However, I will be interested to see how McTavish fares in the D-Mid.

And, I guess it should -- ahem -- interesting to see how that back line deals with Cruz Azul. Janicki? Really? Not that I'm a fan of Peralta (I really don't understand why some people really think we miss him that much), but getting your first action, against a top Mexican side? Should be exciting, if nothing else.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe tonight Dychenko will be the game changing difference. (In a good way!)"

lol.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The stadium looks almost empty on tv.

Posted by: BobR | October 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

FYI, only three Cruz Azul starters tonight started Sunday against America.

Posted by: Goff | October 1, 2008 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone get Telefutura online?

Posted by: Glaucon | October 1, 2008 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Barra Brava shows class, Screaming does not show at all. Where's the SE? At home waching their puds I suppose. VAMOS UNITED

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 8:06 PM | Report abuse

watchin this one online. MAN looks like another sell out at rfk, huh goff? (insert snarky goff attendance quote here)

Posted by: MarkVA | October 1, 2008 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Lineup so crazy, it just might work. GO UNITED. Major props to Barra Brava for there turnout. Where are the SEs?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Yea the Standing Eagles don't cut it.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

The most consistant DCU player this year - Dyachenko. He always stinks. Another poor touch thugish effort again tonight.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

DC is actually playing pretty well. they arent losing the ball all that much. not many shots on goal for Cruz Azul. hopefully we can come out in the second half with a bang. FYI Dyachenko haters: he isnt playing all that bad. He seems to ....GOAL.. DOE!!NVM.. OFFSIDE

Posted by: Spartan | October 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

GOAL DOE!!

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

That'll teach me to wait for the ref

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse

"He always stinks. "

Hence the name DyaSTINKO

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

i think this could work.. playing young fresh players.. maybe TS has seen some Aresnal games. Janicki has been playing extraordinary the whole first half.. i diamond in the rough.

Posted by: Spartan | October 1, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Doe looks good, Quirk not so good. Barra Brava looks good, Wells is scary. Worst of all, Screaming (wispering) Eagles. That's my new name for them: Wispering Eagles or WE for short. VAMOS UNITED!!!

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

SEs are moved closed to BB because not many people came. You didn't realized...come on?

Posted by: dude | October 1, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Irony: when folks in one supporters group calls out another for not being supportive enough, when aforementioned folks aren't down at the game themselves.

Posted by: Section 130 | October 1, 2008 9:11 PM | Report abuse

"Screaming (wispering) Eagles. That's my new name for them: Wispering Eagles or WE for short."

I like to call them the Standing Eagles.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

If it wasn't for bad luck.
I wouldn't have no luck at all.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Off the forwards back...bad luck

And yet, indicative of our season

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Zach Wells was premature to react on that one.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

You can hear the fans chanting -- following Max Bretos' lead:

Cor -- day -- do Cor -- day -- do

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Give Jaime, Devon and the reserves crerdit...they're playing with tremendous heart. Where was this effort last Sunday?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Kirk gets pulled? Kirk?

WTF? How bad does Dyachenko have to play before he finds a seat on the bench? How many unforced turnovers has he had this game? A dozen?

Why would you do this to the people who actually bothered to show up and root for their team? Really happy right now that this cost me $80.

Posted by: Soehn, Sort It Out! | October 1, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

"How bad does Dyachenko have to play before he finds a seat on the bench? How many unforced turnovers has he had this game? A dozen?"

Two dozen + 1 yellow card.

Are you at the game?

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Where are all the Dyachenko defenders now?

Yellow card? Check. Horrible touch? Check. Passes to the wrong team? Check. Killing any offensive push? Check.

Posted by: SIOS | October 1, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Trust me, I am just as dissapointed and frustrated as you are with Dyachenko.

I think it just adds another reason for Soehn to go.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry to pile on Wells, but on the goal the guys dives for no reason when the shot was going aobut five yards wide and then was out of position when there was a deflection.

He is a backup pure and simple.

Posted by: John | October 1, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Rod I think has done okay tonight. He has had some good passes and some bad. He's young and obviously needs to develop more.

I know you haters are gonna say something but whatever. Complain all you want. He's on the team so get over it.

Posted by: Krista | October 1, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Final 1-0

sigh

Posted by: AJ | October 1, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Krista,

Name one. Name one good pass. Name one positive thing he added during this game.

Drop the bogus "hater" feigned outrage. Dyachenko does not deserve playing time on this squad. There are a number of players on the team that wear the shirt, but don't get the opportunity to play.

If you think Rod did "ok" tonight, then the bar you have set is so low that, frankly, every one of us could pull on a shirt and get on that pitch.

Alas, I have no hate in my heart for Rod. He is an exceedingly nice guy and great with the club's supporters. He's the first player my daughter met. The fact that he can't perform at this level is not his fault. The fact that he continues to be put in situations that are above his level of competence is Soehn's.

Posted by: BS | October 1, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm just saying that this Cor-daydo guy isn't as good as Ryan Cordeiro. I think if Cordeiro had come in, we might have seen more chances...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

This team played with heart. They did not win but come on you really did not expect them to? Did you? They played better together than the regular guys. DC might have done better had they had a deeper bench. It's a youngmen's game. Get rid of Gallardo and Emilio and with the money you save get several good young guys. Build for the future.

Posted by: John | October 1, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@ BS -- other than Moreno, please identify a single good pass from anyone on United tonight.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

You've GOTTA HAVE HEART!! All you really need is heart! When the odds are sayin' you'll never win, that's when the grin should start!

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

did that goal by cruz azul symbolize our season? A shot going at least five yards wide, hits someone in the butt and rolls in the goal. All in all a fitting but unjust ending to this match and the season.

Posted by: rob | October 1, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

A loss, but the reserves put on a better game then I have seen from DCU in weeks. The game could have gone either way.

Spanish speaking commentator called Jaime Moreno a hinderance on the field - never passes and ends up turning over the ball.

Hope we're tanned and rested for Chivas.

Vamos United!

Posted by: ML | October 1, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

FF -- Kirk's cross to Doe, where Doe was offside.

Outside of that, there were a number of good balls played to the outside and a number of good passes that reached Doe and allowed him to turn towards goal.

There were a number of poor crosses but no one, no one lost the ball as frequently and as haplessly as Dyachenko in the middle of the field.

The remaining ten played with incredible heart and this was a much better performance than I would have otherwise expected. Janicki was particularly impressive.

Posted by: BS | October 1, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

We did have some plays, passes and shots. Unfortunately, Rod failed to be part of those good plays. Not only did he fail to be part of anything good, he also significantly added to the bad.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse

@ Section 130 I live in Columbus Ohio, not an easy commute on a worknight. What's your excuse, wacking your pud with your Wispering, Standing Eagles.

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Allez Montreal!

1-0 in the 2nd.

Roberto Brown heads in a corner.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, guys. I actually thought it was a much better performance, for what it's worth.

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | October 1, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

"@ Section 130 I live in Columbus Ohio, not an easy commute on a worknight. What's your excuse, wacking your pud with your Wispering, Standing Eagles."

The Standing Eagles were definitely a no show.

I am in Salisbury, MD. Also a hard commute on a week night.

GREAT JOB BARRA!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Harpo - What happened? The BB exiled you to Columbus?

Posted by: ML | October 1, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

I agree w/ Mastodon Juan, I think United played with heart. It's an ugly year that is nobody's fault. INJURIES, INJURIES, INJURIES. It's hard to blame Schoen for injuries.

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@ML No just spreading the good VAMOS UNITED word to the Mid West.

Posted by: Harpo | October 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Clarification (in case someone is interested in the later match, instead of a couple of fans in a childish contest over which club is better): the Montreal goal was in the 2nd minute, not 2nd half.

Now back to who would win in a fight between Superman and Mighty Mouse.

Posted by: I-270, Exit 1 | October 1, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Tough sell nowadays, but keep it up Don Harpo de la Mancha.

Vamos United!

Posted by: ML | October 1, 2008 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@BS

Its not a "hater" outrage. People have actually said they hate him. Just sayin' how I see it.

And I'm not going to sit here and name all the passes I thought were good especially since I have a bar that is so low according to you. What's the point? We disagree with his performance tonight. End of story.

Posted by: Krista | October 1, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

see? A team that actually has playing and practice time together makes a major difference (plus all the guys fighting for a job) the reserves actually have a more consistent lineup that the senior team this year, and it shows. Hopefully ten days of home cooking and training for the A team pays off this weekend.

Posted by: northzax | October 1, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

You don't have to name "all the passes [you] thought were good." Just one.

Soehn can't be blamed for injuries, but he can be blamed for not developing the talent that makes up the rest of the team. Nearly every team in the MLS has had injury problems.

Posted by: BS | October 1, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

If the CCL had a mascot (like the World Cup does), what would it be?

Posted by: FC | October 1, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

CCL ....does anyone really care ? The team doesn't obviously, the one that was build for international fame and glory that is. Anyhow put your money on the Dynamo to actually advance and probably win a 3rd MLS cup.

They are the polar opposite of DC; organized with pace and players that can actully cross, can you imagine. Good luck Bozwell, to bad Soehn thought you were a bench warmer.

Posted by: Soehn The Exit | October 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

If CCL had a mascot, it would be a bottle of wine. A reserve.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

The lone goal was an unfortunate one. Otherwise, DC Reserves played ok. But then A hole also mostly played reserves per Goff. Most of the time our defense can't hold onto off side track. They drop too deep and make the opponents onside very easily. That's a poor thinking; on top of that sometimes they have horrible touch and let the ball slip away. A very high end person with the team said there will be some changes next year. Don't know what that means! Soehn gone?

Posted by: td | October 1, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I CAN think of several good things Rod did on the pitch tonight. For example, at least two through balls which unlocked the CZ defense, and several touch backs to open attackers. But yes, he did make some bad passes - as did Moreno, McTavish, etc., etc..

Posted by: Hedbal | October 1, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

"For example, at least two through balls which unlocked the CZ defense, and several touch backs to open attackers. But yes, he did make some bad passes - as did Moreno, McTavish, etc., etc.."

The one I can think of, was an offsides pass.

Touch backs to open MIDFIELDERS? Yes, I agree that he can make a nice pass to players behind him. However, so can I. So can a lot of players.
D.C. United isn't about mediocrity.

Moreno and the rest of the team are not the subject of this, because they don't consistently play bad.
There's a reason why Dyachenko is talked about A LOT; he really is nothing special and he's been given many chances to prove himself, only to let down his teammates, his coaches and his fans.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:09 PM | Report abuse

The game was a good one tonight. We were spirited and the only goal was redirected in. We had one called back and Bozzz's was deflected off the left goal post. #16 is a find. Burch was great. Devon was great in the midfield. Lay off Rod. Can any of you who get out there and play 90 minutes?

Posted by: VirginiaFan | October 1, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Agreed Anonymous.

Except for the part that he has fans.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I would be interested to know what Rod's average score by Goff over the last few years would be.

Any guesses?

(My guess: 4.2)

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

For the benefit of Anonymous, I have to qualify the comment about Rod dropping the ball off to oncoming attackers. Yes, Mr. A, they were midfielders. Midfielders are allowed to shoot in this league.(Forwards also, please tell Mr. Moreno.) But Rod's droppoffs tonight were to midfielders inside the box and facing the goal.

But yes, overall Rod did not have a good match.

Posted by: Hedbal | October 1, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Some stats on Rod:

Games played: 42 -- Minutes: 1,452

Goals: 1 -- Assists: 3

Best of all, the only video "highlight" on DCU's statistics website is of him and the red card from last year.

You make the call from some of the statistics.

Posted by: SU | October 1, 2008 11:22 PM | Report abuse

So all you fellas that think United sucks so much . . . how about this . . where the great, all powerful, overpriced Chelsea loses Drogba to an injury and then ties lowly "CFR Cluj-Napoca" of Romania . . . sure, fire Scolari he bites . . . get rid of all the starters, sure . . .

""With Michael Essien, Deco, Joe Cole and Ricardo Carvalho already sidelined, the last thing Scolari needed was to see his talismanic targetman leave the stadium on crutches and with his right leg in a brace.""

Posted by: delantero | October 1, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

"So all you fellas that think United sucks so much"

Incorrect. We only think Rod Dyachenko, number 15, sucks so much.

My guess is a 4.5...

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha, yes poor Rod. He of so much early promise thrust into a role he was never capable of fulfilling . . much like Tino and Wells and Cordeiro and Thompson and . . ugh it hurts too much to think about . .

Posted by: delantero | October 1, 2008 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Tino's coming along.

Posted by: SU | October 1, 2008 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Sooo I-270... What were the results and awesomenesses of the later games?
Soo we're ALL expecting Gallardo to resurface this weekend and give us something other than the Pupusa cart to enjoy at RFK right?
Sweet!
Cuz if not I'm GOING HOME!

Posted by: dadryan | October 1, 2008 11:53 PM | Report abuse

GREG JANICKI NOW!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | October 1, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, Montreal wins 2-1 over CD Olimpia in Honduras.

The USL run continues. Looks like they're going to make a serious challenge for this thing.

Posted by: jloome | October 2, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

The back line actually held for the most part (and saved Wells' but more than once). The CU goal was off a deflection, so not really Wells' fault.

The worst part was that immediately after the CU goal, a CU supporter threw a full cup of beer AT a DCU supporter a full TEN (empty) SEATS away from him in section 232. This wasn't a BB-type throwing a beer into the air -- this was an assault.

The DCU supporter, who was wearing a DCU jersey, was standing alone and not IN ANY WAY taunting anyone. It was a completely UNMITIGATED attack. The DCU supporter started walking toward the group of CU supporters from where the attack came. A scuffle ensued in which at least one punch was thrown.

The most pathetic part of this whole episode? It took place IN FRONT of an overweight female CSC security usher who did NOTHING to stop what clearly was a tense situation until I LITERALLY screamed at her to get her attention, by which time the scuffle had already begun. Moments later more security folks showed up and defused the situation, but quite frankly it SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN TO THAT POINT in the first place.

How hard could it have been for DCU (or whomever runs the stadium) to tell its ticketing folks to put the CU supporters in a specific area instead of allowing them to buy whatever seat was available? It made for an incredibly UNSAFE situation.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 2, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

all of the discussion about dyachenko confuses the symptom with the problem. yes, dyachenko is terrible but more terrible is the DCU front office and the coaches who have made a major effort to keep him in DC.

a recap of the poor personnel decisions:

1) Gallardo as a DP. Even when he wasn't hurt, Gallardo can in no way be seen worth the money and the slot of a DP. I think DCU was going off the information that he played for Argentina in the World Cup.

2) giving up Troy Perkins so easily and then trading for Zach Wells. If we still had Perkins, we would be in the playoffs.

3) if they're from south america, they must be good, right? Carvallo was bad and Niell was worse. The South American revolution in the past year has put us out of the playoffs against some pretty week teams.

4) we just don't care about the draft. How many players from the past two MLS drafts are playing on this team? I count zero but I may be wrong. We are told that the MLS draft doesn't matter much when you can bring in such great talent from South Americia (see 3).

so forget Dyachenko - he'll be gone after this season anyways - we need to lay the blame at the cause of this mess and it is the DCU front office and the coaches

Posted by: diego r. | October 2, 2008 12:59 AM | Report abuse

anyways, I'm glad Dyachenko is still around. He'll make a great starter in DCU's final 3 Champions League games. Perhaps he can recreate the glory days of Jamil Walker's dominance in the US Open Cup?

Posted by: diego r. | October 2, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

sorry, I wasn't going to post anymore but how funny is it that if you go to DC United's website the first page declares: "It's Time to Add to the Collection" and it's an ad for the Champions League!

What collection are they adding to? The number of games in a row that DCU has lost? I'm counting 5. Or if you want to put it another way, DCU is in a seven game winless streak.

If this is adding to the collection I think I'll pass.

Posted by: diego r. | October 2, 2008 1:09 AM | Report abuse

"he'll be gone after this season anyways"

God, I hope so.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 1:16 AM | Report abuse

injuries injuries injuries derailed our season horribly, and coaching did not help with the team trying to gel, at all, we had a bit of a run in june and july and then that died the minute more injuries rolled around, tom seohn was a deer in headlights, for now, we have got to start focusing on the draft and developing players and re-establishing our identity, oh and fire tom seohn

Posted by: meh | October 2, 2008 1:27 AM | Report abuse

This is still speculative but....how can a team go from "the best in the league" to not making the playoffs? Injuries play a part, but I'm not sure if they fully justify the teams results.

D.C. could still make the playoffs, but the fact that they are at this point, should be considered, when deciding whether or not Soehn should leave.

I say, wait until the end of the season.
Give him that much.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 2:28 AM | Report abuse

injuries injuries injuries derailed our season horribly, and coaching did not help with the team trying to gel, at all, we had a bit of a run in june and july and then that died the minute more injuries rolled around, tom seohn was a deer in headlights, for now, we have got to start focusing on the draft and developing players and re-establishing our identity, oh and fire tom seohn

Posted by: meh | October 2, 2008 1:27 AM

I don't see injuries being an excuse for either the Red Sox or Rays who both had alot of their top talent on the DL at various points during the season. Yet both of those teams are in the playoffs.

Posted by: Um....... | October 2, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

P.S.

Fire Tom Soehn.

Dude stinks.

Posted by: Um..... | October 2, 2008 2:46 AM | Report abuse

USL: Unbeaten in CCL
MLS: Winless in CCL

Posted by: Facts | October 2, 2008 3:10 AM | Report abuse

So, why in the world has Greg Janicki not supplanted both Burch, Peralta, and McTavish in central defense? Dude has obvious skills. Not the best clearances sometimes, but he gets the job done. His positional sense was pretty good. He made only 1 real mistake but that got cleaned up.

Seriously. Soehn Im looking at you.

Re: the comments about Cruz Azul fans. I was in my season ticket seats (section 230) and the security guard half heartily asked to see my tickets. He didnt at all for CA fans. At one point in the 2nd half, the only time I did see CSC step in is when the CA supporters took a drum into BB and attempted to cheer there. The CA fans were much more hostile than Chivas or America fans last year.

Posted by: strago | October 2, 2008 7:24 AM | Report abuse

@Harpo,

Sorry, but aren't we ALL supporters of the club? You stay classy.

Posted by: Section 130 | October 2, 2008 7:47 AM | Report abuse

Gotta show respect to the USL. Those are some solid results they are posting. Wins in Honduras don't come easily.

I really like CCL and hope MLS makes changes to allow its teams a fighting chance.

Nice job by Houston at least to get a point in Mexico (and score 4 goals!).

Posted by: FC | October 2, 2008 8:12 AM | Report abuse

juan-john, that stadium was so empty that you could've had any seat you wanted.

Posted by: RK | October 2, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I thought the team played with pride and passion last night. Not something we've seen in every game this season. Nothing to hang our head about. As far as the Rod bashers, I just don't see it. Last night and the previous CCL game, I thought Rod did well.

Posted by: Crippled Keeper | October 2, 2008 8:16 AM | Report abuse

I have my favorites and Rod is one of them. It's plain and simple.

Posted by: Soehn | October 2, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Diego:

Ryan Cordiero was a third round pick last year. Dyachenko also could count as a draftee last year (2008) given that a pick was traded for him. people may not like him, but given that the pick he was traded for ended up being Pat Phelan, I think we can call that a wash right now. Dyachenko as certainly spent more time on the pitch that Phelan has.

Previous drafts include Jacobsen (not playing in France) Arguez (not playing in Germany).Jay Needham (Norway) MLS superdraft is a bit of a crapshoot given that a: the really good players will take money and run, and b: there's very little comparison between college soccer and pro soccer, so it's very hard to see who will thrive in the about 18 months you have to make them a pro before they decide they can make more money at McDonald's. unless you end up with a top three pick or a GenAd player. they're either going to star right now (like an Edu) or need a few years of development. the system isn't set up for successful teams to have the resources to spend on developing players long term. so players bounce around the league until they find their groove and a system that suits their talents and skills.

Posted by: northzax | October 2, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Northzax comment raises an interesting dynamic. What other team has lost all 3 of its top pick from the last 3 years to teams in other leagues?

The Washington Nationals got ripped for being the only team not to sign their top draft choice this past year. Maybe we should be asking what's going on with the FO...?

I'm alarmed to reed the report about the CU fans. Frankly, I think the whole could have been prevented if someone had told them that Colorado University wasn't playing last night...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 2, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"juan-john, that stadium was so empty that you could've had any seat you wanted.

Posted by: RK | October 2, 2008 8:13 AM"
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Too true, RK, and the most ironic thing? The seat I had wasn't my ticketed one, either. The ushers didn't check my ticket, they just asked, "You know where you're going?" To which I replied, "Yes."

Ah well...

Posted by: Juan-John | October 2, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

I have always been supportive of immigrants in this country but seeing last night's behavior of most CA fans makes me change my mind. We should turn them over to homeland officials and see how they feel about that.

Posted by: Issue | October 2, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Considering the players on display, that was a much better showing than I expected. It wasn't just holding them to 1-0; it was being the better team for most of the first hour before Cruz Azul turned it on a bit (and we ran out of gas). I suppose it's not a surprise that we lost in part due to bad luck on their goal, but we dodged some bullets once they brought on Sabah and seized control so it balances out a bit.

Janicki impressed with his defending. He's not the most comfortable with the ball, but he definitely looked good enough to see time last night. I also couldn't help but note that, unlike McTavish, he has confidence in Burch (and Burch had confidence in him). Fisch Fry mentioned earlier that he didn't understand why people say we miss Peralta; that's why. McTavish and Burch make a really bad pair. Neither is an experienced CB, and they both seem to lack in confidence in one another. Hence, they make bad decisions that often lead to goals. Peralta is slightly better than either of them on his own, but more importantly he's the experienced organizer that both McTavish and Burch seem to need to play well. I also thought Zaher did a decent job limiting the chances on his wing, while Thompson struggled a bit (though they did put him under constant pressure; Galindo must have known he's not a natural right back, or maybe he knew Kirk wouldn't help out much).

Vide and McTavish played well in the first half, but then Vide came out. Perhaps Vide just wasn't fit for more than a half, or perhaps Soehn was making a tactical move to press for a goal. If it's the latter, then I believe Soehn made a mistake. I could see bringing in Cordeiro at halftime (for Dyachenko, who was not as bad as usual but was still arguably our worst player on the night), but the 2 defensive midfielder set-up was helping us see more of the ball by causing more turnovers. If Vide still had some life in his legs, he should have stayed on. I guess we'll never know.

All in all, this was an encouraging showing. There was a lot more heart on display, and we saw that several reserves can contribute (Janicki, Zaher, and I thought Doe also looked dangerous, though he still needs to time his runs better). We also had a goal (rightly) called back for offsides and hit the post through Khumalo. I know it was against many of Cruz Azul's reserves, but they brought in starters as the game went on, and their reserves make MLS starter money. Most of the players they used last night would be regular contributors on your average MLS team.

Ratings:
Wells - 6
Thompson - 4
Janicki - 6
Burch - 6
Zaher - 6
McTavish - 6
Vide - 6
Kirk - 5
Moreno - 6
Dyachenko - 4
Doe - 5

Cordeiro - 4
Khumalo - 6
Miller - NR

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

@ BS -- doubt you'll see this, but I asked "besides Moreno". I'm pretty sure the cross that Doe knocked in came from Moreno, not Kirk...

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

FF --

It was Kirk (credit where credit is due):

"Two minutes later the crowd roared when Kirk centered for Francis Doe to flick a close-range finish past Blanco, but the Liberian has strayed offside and his effort was waved off."

http://news.soccerfansnetwork.com/index.php/article/show/3276

Posted by: BS | October 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse


If CCL had a mascot, it would be a bottle of wine. A reserve.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 1, 2008 10:39 PM

Sounds like a great idea for a t-shirt. I'd buy it. Or an actual vintage...a four star reserve red, in a black bottle. I'd drink it.

Posted by: dadryan | October 2, 2008 5:23 PM | Report abuse

It's outrageous that United charges premium prices for Champions League games and then treats them like friendlies or reserve league games. They really ought to refund half the price of all tickets sold. It's also ridiculous. We go all out in the Open Cup (sacrificing at least one league game in the process) to get merely a play-in to next year's Champions League, but we're in the league this year and we wimp out. If the MLS is ever going to get international respect, it's teams have to start winning meaningful international competitions, and United should be leading the way--but isn't.

Posted by: Unhappy Fan | October 2, 2008 6:09 PM | Report abuse

The prices charged for this year's Champions League games, the team's approach to those games (to treat them as friendlies or reserve league games), and the pathetic security in place for all United supporters who don't sit with BB or SE, have me seriously questioning whether we will renew our season tickets.

When both police and security watched a Saprissa fan run on to the field -- five minutes after the same fan vaulted over the chain into the first section and ran down to the sideline (presumably to test out his route) -- a United season ticket holder sitting in front of me (one of four other season ticket holders in my entire section) left in disgust. Anticipating the fiasco that would be the Cruz Azul match, I gave my tickets away and recommended to my friends that took them not to wear DC United gear.

The few United fans that showed their loyalty by paying the absurd prices asked by the front office have been screwed. Sending out invoices for next season in the midst of this fiasco reflects further judgment.

Posted by: Disappointed Fan | October 2, 2008 6:23 PM | Report abuse

should read:

"reflects further poor judgment"

Posted by: Disappointed Fan | October 2, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

i said, the FO should have done something nice for its most loyal fans., e.g. BB, SE, or Season Tix holders.

The FO doesn't want to lose the best in MLS.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 2, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous.... and others with "personality issues", it is time for you to substitute Rod because you are"plain and simple.".WHY DO YOU SPEND YOUR ENERGY on silly and useless talks? Come on,sell yourself! DC UNITED WILL BECOME CHAMPIONS WITH YOUR PRESENCE,and please count the number of missed goals when ROD played... you will see the true picture.

Posted by: defender | October 2, 2008 8:49 PM | Report abuse

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