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United-Marathon, the Aftermath

The. End.

My match report is here.

By the numbers.....

*Announced attendance: 7,156. Hilarious.

*United's 47-game record: 17-24-6.

*United against foreign competition: 2-9-2. (No, Toronto doesn't count.)

*United at home (RFK and SoccerPlex): 15-10-2.

*United red cards in 30 league games: six (Namoff 2, Moreno, Gallardo, Martinez, Burch).

*United red cards in 6 Champions League games: six (Quaranta, Doe, Soehn, Crayton, Thorpe, McTavish).

*Tonight's referee, Mexico's Benito Armando Archundia, officiated five matches at the 2006 World Cup, including the Italy-Germany semifinal.

By the way, Cruz Azul received two red cards in tonight's 1-0 loss at Saprissa. Cruz Azul, Saprissa and Marathon each have 10 points with only a Marathon-Saprissa match remaining. Also of note, Puerto Rico became the second USL club to reach the CL quarterfinals, joining Montreal.

PLAYER RATINGS
Wells 4; Martinez 4, Janicki 5, McTavish 4, Burch 5; Quaranta 4, Simms 5, Fred 3, Guerrero 5; Khumalo 5, Doe 6. Subs: Vide 4, Emilio 4.

By Steve Goff  |  October 30, 2008; 12:59 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

Wow, such a pedigree for the referee and he still sucked.

Posted by: Publius17 | October 30, 2008 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I was hoping to get a better perspective of how 'sparse' the stands really were, hah.

Seriously however, after reading the player quotes I have new thoughts on whether or not Soehn should be fired.

This kind of finish to a miserable season as well as the team's morale tells me that we do NEED a new spark.

I was initially leaning towards keeping Soehn after listening and reading arguments being made FOR him. But Tino and Luci's quotes have changed my mind.
As Luci concluded, "but as ALWAYS, we had a bad result". What caught my eye was the 'always'. Tino supports the melancholy feeling by adding, "We are very sad right now".

The team's morale is NOT where it needs to be. Soehn has ended the season on a horrible note and should be fired.


Posted by: redskinsux | October 30, 2008 2:06 AM | Report abuse

I was hoping to get a better perspective of how 'sparse' the stands really were, hah.

Seriously however, after reading the player quotes I have new thoughts on whether or not Soehn should be fired.

This kind of finish to a miserable season as well as the team's morale tells me that we do NEED a new spark.

I was initially leaning towards keeping Soehn after listening and reading arguments being made FOR him. But Tino and Luci's quotes have changed my mind.
As Luci concluded, "but as ALWAYS, we had a bad result". What caught my eye was the 'always'. Tino supports the melancholy feeling by adding, "We are very sad right now".

The team's morale is NOT where it needs to be. Soehn has ended the season on a horrible note and should be fired.


Posted by: redskinsux | October 30, 2008 2:09 AM | Report abuse

As Brian Dunseth said, any time you give a ref in a CONCACAF game the opportunity to give you a card or send you off or somehow make some crazy call to radically change the game, he will do it. Quaranta should have known better than to complain so demonstratively. Doe also, with that extra shove, put himself in a situation where the ref had an opening to send him off (though it should have been by a 2nd yellow, not a straight red...not that it matters much).

12 red cards in 47 games is entirely unacceptable. In fact, it might be the strongest sign that Soehn has lost the team. Poor discipline, especially coming from a group of players that isn't particularly hotheaded or dirty, is alarming. On the other hand, our recent set piece play has been better than it was all year, which is also a good way to find whether the team is paying attention at practice or not.

I still think Soehn will be here next season. Kasper has endorsed him, and Payne's history with coaches indicates a second chance is coming. I'm not sure how I feel about that, but that's what I expect to happen.

One other rather random observation: Khumalo needs to learn to release the ball more quickly. I still like him as a player, but if he could just think and act that split second faster, he'd be a contender for a starting role. Tonight, he could have had a goal and sent at least 2 people in alone with the keeper, only to linger on the ball long enough to allow a tackle to get in.

Here's hoping this comment gets past the Post's seemingly arbitrary blogging software.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | October 30, 2008 2:55 AM | Report abuse

and here's to a better, more in-depth recap video (with both red cards).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W06Uqx45IbE

Posted by: redskinsux | October 30, 2008 3:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't mind losing to a better opponent or the fact that we didn't play very well but that referee was absolutely biased and horrible. It got so bad in the Barra that the cops came over thinking we were going to jump the field. I watched him the entire second half and he was laughing and shaking hands with the Marathon players. The second he blew the whistle to end the game all the refs hightailed it to the lockerrooms instead of lining up in a row at midfield. I still can't talk today from screaming every cuss word in spanish I know. What a frickin' joke....

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 30, 2008 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Announced attendance: 7,156. Hilarious.

*United's 47-game record: 17-24-6. - PATHETIC

*United against foreign competition: 2-9-2. (No, Toronto doesn't count.)
PATHETIC

*United at home (RFK and SoccerPlex): 15-10-2. - PATHETIC

*United red cards in 30 league games: six (Namoff 2, Moreno, Gallardo, Martinez, Burch). see above!

The boys want to play and win but the roster moves last season were a bust. They have a good starting line up but the gap between to starters and the backups is too great. DC needs to sign some veteran mid-fielders and defenders.

Posted by: bobfairchild1 | October 30, 2008 7:33 AM | Report abuse

I guess that that 7,100 of those "in attendance" were hanging out inside eating and drinking during the game?

The Concacaf refs are horrible as all the MNT members know (but of course we have lost all DCU players who could actually play at that level) and it is the coaches responsibility to ensure that his players know and understand that and don't do stuff that will give them a Red Card. Even Bob Bradley seems to have that down.

Posted by: Beckster1 | October 30, 2008 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Surprised you can give Tino a 4 after the way he drew his red.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | October 30, 2008 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Took the game in on TV (rewind). It still amazes me how novice/wrong the TV announcers can be. For 2-3 minutes, and even after halftime, the second "color" announcer was talking about Tino getting a straight red, when it was two yellows, both for running his mouth, one after the whistle and another after the caution. Simms was just a bit too late in corralling Tino's temper.

Defending was dodgy, lackluster, lame, uninspired . . . awful. But I did not expect much inspiration for players that just want the season to be over, then playing a man down -- again.

Next season will not be able to arrive fast enough. But the Goffer will keep us entertained in the interim.

Posted by: postgolb | October 30, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Missed the game. The Phillies were on. Plus this week's "House" on DVR.

Whether or not I want a coaching change, I think it's coming. Finishing strong is important as it sets a tone for the offseason.

My concern is that I did not see a consistent style of play from the team all season. There didn't seem to be a pattern, a method of defending or attacking. Just 10 field players moving the ball around, and whatever happened, happened.

Coaching change or not, I'd like to see a "style" change. More compact, high-pressure defending. More width play, where a player can actually beat a defender on dribble and penetrate along the endline. Some combination play in the midfield. And somebody who will actually make a bloody near-post run.

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 30, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

One good side effect of this season being just an abject failure is that DC United will finally be able to focus on just the MLS next season. Instead of getting sidetracked with all these unwinnable international competitions with questionable officiating. Instead of starting the season earlier than everyone else in the MLS, they get to focus on the MLS. Instead of getting distracted and playing a ridiculous amount of matches in short time spans, they get to rest up for MLS opponents.

So it's a bad season but next year will be better.

Posted by: tundey | October 30, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Maybe it was my mind reacting to being frozen @ the game last night when I read Goff's dead-tree report, but I sensed relief that the season was over but, moreover, dispair at how the season "progressed." I know journalists are supposed to be ~impartial, but even Steve seems unhappy with the outcome of the season. Weary, even. That echoes the sentiments of many SI readers, to be sure.

Maybe our spirits will be lifted by the continued exploits of Hull in the EPL....or at least the Special One on IOSS.

Thus endeth "Soctober"....

Posted by: 22206no1 | October 30, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

1) The 7,156 attendance figure is accurate, since DC United reports tickets sold, not people who actually show up. I bought the CL package and thus had a ticket last night, but the cold weather and meaningless nature of the match prompted me to stay home and watch it on TV. Yet, my seat was counted. Quibble with this if you will, but DCU did not make up the number;

2) Does anyone know how the tiebreakers work? If Saprissa and Marathon draw, they both advance -- and won't that make for interesting consipiracies? But if one team loses, how do you figure if it or Cruz Azul grabs the second spot into the quarters?

Posted by: jofij | October 30, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I get the feeling that MLS is certainly going to address the issue of the multitude of tournaments that its clubs face.

SuperLiga is a great asset and has performed well on TV, so it's not going anywhere. I imagine that teams 5-8 in the table will be looking at that as their tournament and Mexico will do the same given that their clubs face SudAmericana, Copa Lib, and InterLiga on top of their season. It will only help the region as a whole to have high level international competition for all levels of cubs.

I still hope that the US Open Cup would be moved to replace the playoffs so that the USOC would take the place of the pointless Cup tournament at the end now.

However, cheers to the fans that did make it last night. You clearly love the club and are every bit of an asset to it as anything else.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | October 30, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Sorry to change the subject, but Villareal got thumped last night by a third-division side in the Copa del Rey tournament. Does anyone know if Jozy played?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=587278&sec=europe&cc=5901

Posted by: billindmd | October 30, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Is anyone going to the Fundraiser/Awards reception tonight? Seems more like a wake, except the corpse is (barely) alive. At least there will free drinks-- but they're not even feeding us like they did last year. Seems reflective of the season and the morale of the entire organization.

Used to be Karen.

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | October 30, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

A bit OT, but just a reminder to recording devices and their human companions: BSPN2 has allotted 2.5 hours for tonight's MLS playoff game, meaning that kickoff will probably be at about 8:00 p.m. Eastern.

Posted by: universityandpark | October 30, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Given the pitiful end to the season, I not surprised more folks didn't show up for the game. I had 5 tickets to the game and didn't bother going so I can completely understand why the in house attendance vs tickets sold/distributed was way off.

The coaching staff needs to go and while the team doesn't need a complete housecleaning but we have way too many overpriced no value for money players on this team - too old - too prone to injury - and too SLOW.

Goff why on earth would you give Doe a 6. Yes he was in the right place to put in a rebound but he was atrocious the rest of the game. He is absolutely horrible - he has no first touch, he constantly makes wrong decisions and his shooting is consistently poor.

Injuries or not 2 USL teams with a fraction of the salary available and with MLS rejects have made it to the CCL 2nd round. Frankly, United is a bad team and in other leagues around the world would probably been relegated.

Posted by: dcufan53 | October 30, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

I still hope that the US Open Cup would be moved to replace the playoffs so that the USOC would take the place of the pointless Cup tournament at the end now.
__________________________________________

USOC is not an MLS affair. It is run by US Soccer and involves both MLS and non-MLS teams. US Soccer could move it to late fall, but would do so only if that is in the interest of both its MLS and non-MLS constituencies.

Posted by: universityandpark | October 30, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh - and thanks for all of your dedication to the Blog all season. Hopefully there will still be plenty of news for you to cover in the offseason here but as always - you are the class journalist in Major League Soccer.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | October 30, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

and after all, the 'pointless cup tournament' at the end of the season is what connotes champions (and gives MLS its TV deals) heck, if you win that 'pointless cup tournament' you get not only a star but a pass to the group stage of CCL, the Open Cup only gets you to the play-in stage.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | October 30, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Thus endeth "Soctober"....

Posted by: 22206no1 | October 30, 2008 9:10 AM
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And not a moment too soon.

[October 30, 2008 2:06 AM] already wrote that Soehn has difficulty motivating the players. That was evident earlier in the season. But I don't think that they've given up on each other. If Soehn comes back next year (and I agree with Chest Rockwell that he probably will) he needs to attend a leadership retreat or something to improve his motivational skills.

I'm not in favor or large scale changes. Next season we won't have the CC Cup matches to drain our energy and morale before MLS even gets going. If no-one gets injured unwrapping Christmas presents or changing diapers, then we should be in good shape for the beginning of next season.

DC United 2008 U.S. Open Cup Champions

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | October 30, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I am going to have to second Chico13's comments. Despite actually having the kickoff and beign in the center circle the refs were no where near united at the start of the second half....rather they were off shaking hands and chatting with the Marathon players.... same thing at the end of the first half. It was pretty clear where the officiating was going after the shocking set of calls starting when Doe while being double teamed got elbowed in the face and they called a foul against him.

Did Tino loose his tempter...absolutely... did he have reason to be upset... yes.

I could see the second yellow coming because no one from DCU got over there to get between him and the POS wearing yellow. I got a sense the ref was almost goading DCU and Quaranta to challenge him

And for a ref to have such an accomplished WC pedigree its even less excusable to buy into the dives and non-fouls. What is Concalaugh thinking when they send a Mexican official to a US match....


Simms is a good player who contributes a tremendous amount to DCU (and deserves a raise)... but as a captain he missed an opportunity to step up and difuse the situation fast enough... and then let Fred do most of the talking after the red was shown. He probably deserved the armband out of respect for his contributions and consitency this year.... but thats probalby the weakest aspect of his game.


If this hadn't been the Nth time a game had unfolded this way under these circumstances I'd probably be irate..... instead of comfortably numb. Did the last couple months actually happen...seems sureal. And for those keeping track how much Karma do we have stored up for next season?

On a somewhat positive note/silver lining?
I think Doe deserves more recognition.... he was (up until the last ten minutes or so and his red) arguably the best player out there for United....one of the few bright spots as the evening wore on. He was generally effective, was getting double teamed, still held and moved the ball well, scored, hit the post, and almost set up another couple of goals. If we don't protect him I can't imagine him not getting picked by Seattle.

Posted by: WCinDC | October 30, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

More width play, where a player can actually beat a defender on dribble and penetrate along the endline. Some combination play in the midfield. And somebody who will actually make a bloody near-post run.

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 30, 2008 8:55 AM

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Indeed. If only we had players like Berbatov and Ronaldo, who produced a goal yesterday, just like you described...

Now, back to reality -- sort of...

tundey posted this:

"One good side effect of this season being just an abject failure is that DC United will finally be able to focus on just the MLS next season. Instead of getting sidetracked with all these unwinnable international competitions with questionable officiating.

So it's a bad season but next year will be better."
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Except that DC United will be playing the CCL this time next year. Don't count out the SuperLiga either, since we don't know what criteria the league will use in selecting the teams. To be honest, I looked forward to the SuperLiga matches, until it became clear that United was overmatched. I'd much rather tune in to see them play Pachuca than FC Dallas or Kansas City. Attendance-wise, I prefer to be at games that matter, whether it be the MLS or a short, elimination tournament.

The highlight of the season was definitely Doe's two goal effort against the Revs. But, the near comeback against Pahcuca was pretty exciting, too. I also enjoyed those early season and mid-summer games (international and MLS) when United were scoring lots of goals with exciting combination play. What happened to all that?

Posted by: fischy | October 30, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

More width play, where a player can actually beat a defender on dribble and penetrate along the endline. Some combination play in the midfield. And somebody who will actually make a bloody near-post run.

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 30, 2008 8:55 AM

----------------------------------------------

Indeed. If only we had players like Berbatov and Ronaldo, who produced a goal yesterday, just like you described...

Now, back to reality -- sort of...

tundey posted this:

"One good side effect of this season being just an abject failure is that DC United will finally be able to focus on just the MLS next season. Instead of getting sidetracked with all these unwinnable international competitions with questionable officiating.

So it's a bad season but next year will be better."
-----------------

Except that DC United will be playing the CCL this time next year. Don't count out the SuperLiga either, since we don't know what criteria the league will use in selecting the teams. To be honest, I looked forward to the SuperLiga matches, until it became clear that United was overmatched. I'd much rather tune in to see them play Pachuca than FC Dallas or Kansas City. Attendance-wise, I prefer to be at games that matter, whether it be the MLS or a short, elimination tournament.

The highlight of the season was definitely Doe's two goal effort against the Revs. But, the near comeback against Pahcuca was pretty exciting, too. I also enjoyed those early season and mid-summer games (international and MLS) when United were scoring lots of goals with exciting combination play. What happened to all that?

Posted by: fischy | October 30, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The fact that both USL teams made the next round is a sad commentary on DC United's Champions League effort.

The fact that the Red Bulls and Wizards, who underperformed all season, made the playoffs is a sad commentary on DC United as a team.

The team keeps beating the injuries drum. The message I infer is that the players who filled in for their injured teammates are not good enough to play in MLS, and certainly not good enough for CONCACAF.

Seriously, if you were starting Seattle from scratch and DC United made Burch available, would you trip over yourself to add him to your new franchise's backline? I like Burch on this team, but I don't want to have to rely on him. What about McTavish? Is he REALLY a sure-thing shutdown central defender? Or is he just a solid MLS-level "contributor?" Simms? I like him a lot, and I'm sure every MLS team would love to add him to their squad. But does he really take ownership of the midfield in front of the defense? All of those counterattack goals United surrenders? Right through Simms' area. And Fred? He was Aussie League MVP and had, like, three-thousand assists in their championship game, right? You know the coaches and fans got on Freddy Adu's case for being a poor defender and a tricky dribbler who didn't score enough goals or accumulate enough assists. Check the stats. Fred is less productive than Mr. Adu, and still can't defend worth a darn. They're both amongst my favorite United players over the past 5 years. But Fred could stand to bring a little more substance to each match.

All of these players, maybe unfairly singled out, are valuable assets to United's cause, but are not the level of players who put the TRADITION on the back of each jersey. You need strong primary player and you need "stronger" secondary players. We have a team of those stronger secondary players who unfortunately moonlight as our primary players.

Also, can someone not named Jaime please DO something next year? Please?

Posted by: DWE4 | October 30, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

RE: Doe. I was on the fence about him for because he seemed to be off and on. I'm pro-Doe now. He sealed the deal for me when he fought off Parkhurst for the winning goal. He has the (proverbial :-) fire in the belly. He and the coaches need to figure out what the right fuel is and then pour it on.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | October 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Tino's tempter? Aaahh - there are some bad, thoughtless jokes I could make here, but I'll just note that there's a post above that says this tempter is loose....

Posted by: fischy | October 30, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

"Has anyone seen Tino's tempter?"

No. What does he look like?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | October 30, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I would like to add that I wasn't real happy with the way the team hightailed it out of there right after the game last night. All the hardcore fans that showed up not only last night but all season long to support crap soccer deserved better. Last night was cold in more ways than one.

Posted by: CHICO13 | October 30, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Overall last night I saw some good play by United, but the flopping by Marathon was ridiculous, are they just a bunch of pansies that have to get carted off for the slightest bump. I would be ashamed to be a fan of theirs if that is how they go about it. Sad thing is they have some really good talent on that team....

Hope for a better year next year.

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | October 30, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

The disgraceful season is a product of the team being run and played by individuals who have no clue what DCU is about. This organization was a model of excellence 9 to 12 years ago and when it fell on the hard times brought on by Rongen (hired by KP because they were friends) and Hudson (hired by KP because of his TV appeal) there was no hesitation to change. Soehn and Kasper have neither the intelligence or integrity to raise to the level of excellence set by Bruce and so many others when this team started. They both must go. One need look no further than all of the red cards by both players and coaches as an example of what this team has become. These tow have betrayed the legacy that this team built and only with their rapid departure will things change.

Posted by: lgm6986 | October 30, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I just coughed a MARATHON player just fell and I was told just now to leave work...ugh, now the stretcher guys are coming to take him away...

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | October 30, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I just coughed a MARATHON player just fell and I was told just now to leave work...ugh, now the stretcher guys are coming to take him away...

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | October 30, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Altidore played the full 90 for Villarreal in that loss.

Posted by: mjhoya12 | October 30, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

10 points from 20 away matches is pretty pathetic. Heads should roll for that alone.

Posted by: richardharless | October 30, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@lgm6986


I'm sorry, but that's just silly.

Posted by: Late2Bass | October 30, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Props to Wells, Khumalo and McTavish for coming over and thanking the fans!

Posted by: JB252 | October 30, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Props to Wells, Khumalo and McTavish for coming over and thanking the fans!

Posted by: JB252 | October 30, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Luciano's comments are very telling indeed, borne not just of frustration from "always" losing but worse from a fatalistic sense that DCU will "always" lose when they take the field.

This team does not believe in itself. It has lost its way and that comes directly from the man at the helm. Soehn and the coaching staff have failed this team in so many ways -- bizarre game plans, poor tactical adjustments & substitutions (Dyachenko? again?), improper training and fitness regimens (as evidenced by all the injuries now being trotted out as an excuse), complete lack of attention to mental preparation and motivation, and in my opinion worst of all, Soehn's tendency to throw the players under the bus after a bad game. What player on earth would want to sacrifice themselves for a coach who does that to them?

Soehn must be fired. The sooner the better.

Posted by: cmjhawk86 | October 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Luciano's comments are very telling indeed, borne not just of frustration from "always" losing but worse from a fatalistic sense that DCU will "always" lose when they take the field.

This team does not believe in itself. It has lost its way and that comes directly from the man at the helm. Soehn and the coaching staff have failed this team in so many ways -- bizarre game plans, poor tactical adjustments & substitutions (Dyachenko? again?), improper training and fitness regimens (as evidenced by all the injuries now being trotted out as an excuse), complete lack of attention to mental preparation and motivation, and in my opinion worst of all, Soehn's tendency to throw the players under the bus after a bad game. What player on earth would want to sacrifice themselves for a coach who does that to them?

Soehn must be fired. The sooner the better.

Posted by: cmjhawk86 | October 30, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

One thought - as Marathon stroked the ball around late in the game, eliciting "Oles" from their supporters, I saw several balls played back to the Marathon GK. Those got ole'd as well.

I thought passes back to the keeper were not deemed ole-able? Aren't there rules about that sort of thing? Where's the justice?

Posted by: 22206no1 | October 30, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

@cmjhawk86

I would caution against trying to read too much into Luciano's words. He has only just started speaking English, and his quotes might be un-nuanced (if he answered on his own), or translated a little loose.

Posted by: Late2Bass | October 30, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey Steve thanks for sticking it out till the bitter end, and I can't remember the posters handle for the life of me, but he'd always dog you "never bringing attention to DCU's crappier attendance nights, while always poking at everyone else's"...
Thanks for giving him his just desserts... Hilarious:-)
Hat's off to the folks who went to the game. I didn't have the cash or the heart:-(

SOOOOOOO Glad I went to the US Open Cup final!
Hey when you're at the bottom at least you know which way is up!
GO GO UNITED!!!

Posted by: DadRyan | October 30, 2008 2:04 PM | Report abuse

To Late2Bass:

I disagree with your statement. I understand there might be some looseness with translation, but I believe Luci's line to mean what it says.
I really liked cmjhawk86's assessment, it finished my thoughts accurately.

However, I do disagree with part of your critique of Soehn, "complete lack of attention to mental preparation and motivation". I don't believe there was a COMPLETE lack. This team is too good to allow, even a bad coach, to interfere with what they do best.
Also, I am not sure what you are referring to when Soehn, "throw the players under the bus after a bad game"

Other than that, OUTSTANDING discussion at the situation which seems to be getting more and more dramatic.

Posted by: redskinsux | October 30, 2008 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Approximately 160 days to the first game of the season.

Posted by: Curious99 | October 30, 2008 8:41 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the reminder Curious=)

Posted by: DadRyan | October 31, 2008 12:43 AM | Report abuse

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