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United, By the Numbers

Regular season losses, most in MLS. The club's overall record in all competitions is 16-21-4

Goal difference, tied for worst in league with Toronto

Goal difference in road games, by far the worst in MLS

Goals by Luciano Emilio in league play since Aug. 2

Minutes played by Marcelo Gallardo in league play since June 29

Brutal goals scored by opponents in past seven days to break scoreless ties (free kick bounces untouched in six-yard box, wayward shot hits player in back, comical giveaway by Louis Crayton)

United's record past six weeks in all competitions, the only win coming against second-division Charleston in Open Cup final

RFK crowds in DCU history bigger than Saturday's 28,145 turnout (not including two Beckham visits, 1997 MLS Cup and various doubleheaders)

DCU owners in attendance furious after latest setback

By Steve Goff  |  October 5, 2008; 12:01 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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"DCU owners in attendance furious after latest setback"

As well they should be. Could this be the last straw for Soehn? I hope so.

DC would have lost despite Crayton's poor touch.

Posted by: peridigm | October 5, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I'd be interested to find out how furious said owners were.

Posted by: Section 130 | October 5, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

4 = no. of tines on a fork. Put a fork in them. They're done.

Posted by: MR Caretaker | October 5, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Goff, would you reveal some of their comments or at least some hints how they were furious? Chang is a classic man and his friendly towards we the fans are appreciative but have not really seen McFarlan.

Posted by: td | October 5, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Goff, what is the number of season ticket holders wondering whether it's any longer worth the dough? I know at least 1.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 5, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

PS -- If Crayton is a 3, then it is clear there is no 2, 1 or ZERO.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 5, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

How many different starting lineups? How many different combinations on the back line? How many non-injury first-half substitutions due to poor tactics/preparaton? How many Soehn quotes since the beginning of the year mentioning 'working harder on the little things'? How many defeats by 2+ goals? How many come from behind losses? Do we have any come from behind wins? How many times has the team come out flat -- pretty much every game since June. The missteps this season have been innumerable. I want Harkes and El Diablo on the bench next year!

Posted by: Erik Mondero | October 5, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Interesting OWNTF mentioned whether its worth renewing Season Tickets. For the first time that I can ever remember long time fans are questioning whether they are worth it.

People are really furious with the prices being charged to watch reserves play. One person told me I paid $40 bucks to see a bunch of players I had never even heard of. Although that person also said, well at least they put effort into the game which is more than I can say for a bunch of overrated and overpaid players that you always see to have some problem.

The lack of professional management of the team players is stunning.

Posted by: Nick from Big Soccer | October 5, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Call me crazy, but I plan to upgrade my half-season ticket plan to the full-season plan next year.

This is DESPITE the thoroughly craptastic way they've played since before the US Open Cup win.

Quote of the week:

"Sometimes I didn't know where to go in some situations." -- Quaranta


Posted by: Juan-John | October 5, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Call me crazy, but I plan to upgrade my half-season ticket plan to the full-season plan next year.

You and Warren Buffett, buying on the dip. You may also be able to upgrade your seats as long-time holders let go of the prime ones. And can we mention the "game day experience" at the septic tank? They could improve service by getting the reserve team parents to work concessions for the varsity game . . . . .

Portland will be nice, you'll see . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | October 5, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

...And oh yeah Goff, in what way were McFarlane and Chang (whom I saw before the game mingling with the SE and BB tailgates) furious? Or was most of it unprintable for a family newspaper?

Posted by: Juan-John | October 5, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

1 Coach Fired after doing a miserable job.

Posted by: Eugene | October 5, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I would think next season's full season and half season tickets would be a better value.

No Stupidleaga for starters....

Can we take the starting D from the Cruz Azul match and start them in Houston....?

why not take that line-up with Quaranta for Dyachenko and a starting Boyzzzzzzzzz

all three goals were inexcusable, and it wasn't McTavish or Burch in the middle either

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Soehn is a failure. He has to go. And the front office, with this goofball "remake" of a team that won the Supporters Shield last year, should take a hard look at what they did. They have a good long-term track record, so they get some slack. But Soehn gets none. Goodbye.

Posted by: macheath | October 5, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Several people are asking "how furious?" . . .Craig Stouffer has some immediately post-game quotes from Victor McFarlane in his Examiner blog. I dunno if I'm allowed to post a link to the competition here, so I'll just say that if you look at post #60 (bottom of third page) in the post-game thread on Big Soccer, you'll find a link. Or, alternately, you could prowl around the Examiner page until you find the blog.

He sure didn't sound happy.

Posted by: Bootsy | October 5, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

1 - Fan who says that if there is even remotely a deal on the table to build VW Arena at Poplar Point - take it - save face with your fan base at this point.

At least we could get all in a tizzy over artist renderings, web cams, and events that are 2-3 years away.

I'll make it to the last two games - but this team, injuries, coaching decisions, fixture congestion and all, wasn't good enough this year.

Bryan Namoff should be back next year - Devon and Burch have a spot on the team somewhere but we need speed and skill on our backline.

We also need speed and skill going forward at the top.


Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 5, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse


"Not only are we bad, but we paid to be bad."

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm still amazed by the size of the crowd. Other than the Beckham game, I'm having trouble recalling so many people in the upper deck for a United league game -- certianly not a regular season game. Wish I could understand why. I only went because I hadn't used all my flex vouchers. Same story all around?

By the way, at halftime I waited almost 10 minutes (would've completely missed the first 7 minutes of the second half, except for the little TV on a concession line -- nachos and sausages. Everyone was getting nachos, so I did make sure they had sausages. They had a full bin of cooked sausages, and veggies, too. What I didn't think to do was ask if they were selling them...When I finally got to the front and asked for a sausage, I was told they had no buns. I asked if they at least had plasticware. Nope. No buns? What no buns in the whole stadium? Or just not organized enough to get the buns to this stand? United isn't the only lousy operation in RFK... On the other hand, I still have that $7.00 I would have spent on a cold sausage -- so, there is some good news.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 5, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Please, don't remind me how bad this team is. What a disappointing end to a season that was suppose to be great! I've had Soehn's back since day one and through all of this mess, but after last night, he needs to go. I was mostly disappointed we didn't see a lineup that resembled last Wednesdays lineup. That lineup was all heart and energy, last nights was all money. Besides Quaranta. Love that guy!

Posted by: kris | October 5, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

1 - Is the loneliest number.....when you're the first team eliminated from the playoff picture.

Posted by: 1 | October 5, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

how bout them Skins?:-)

Posted by: dadryan | October 5, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr goff-
What might be interesting is a look at the terrain for rebuilding next year.

Gallardo is guaranteed, right?

What about the rest of the 100k+ "starters"? How many could we unload and not eat their salaries?

Benny and moreno - believe are guaranteed?

What about fred, peralta, martinez?

Of the lesser paid players, who do we need to re-negotiate?

Posted by: pigman sweet | October 5, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

And too boot, you all still don't have a stadium in DC.


Posted by: Mark Fisher | October 5, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

furious? how long did it take for them be furious??? They should have been furious from the start of the season.
and skins? we are better than the skins, they need to catch up to us. Ha!

2009, i see five stars on my jersey!
(i hope)

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 5, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Shut up, Mark.

Isn't there some sort of clause in Gallardo's contract that will let us terminate it early? I'm sure it carries some sort of monetary penalty, but it'll probably be worth it considering we've not only spent $1.5 (or was it 1.9?) million on him, but also to fly him to Germany for surgery (which was probably NOT covered by their health insurance) and home to Argentina... etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: Never eat at RFK | October 5, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

60 (at least): number of BB/SE hands Esky shook after the game.

Sadly, this was the highlight of the night for most of us.

Posted by: One more | October 5, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse


He took a team that won the supporters shield two years running and destroyed it and gave us this crap. He let proven USA talent go and went to South America and brought back garbage. They obviously knew he was not experienced or sharp and unload players they couldn't sell to anyone else.

Posted by: greg | October 5, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

I would think we could sell Gallardo to some Argentine league squad and make his salary go away. Maybe we could exchange his contract for a decent prospect.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

we need some defense
we need healthy players

leave everthing else alone

Posted by: atl | October 5, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

@ Fish Fry

>I'm still amazed by the size of the crowd. Other than the Beckham game, I'm >having trouble recalling so many people in the upper deck for a United league

don't get too excited. it was "MSI night" last night. i sat next to dozens and dozens of girls with braces texting furiously during the game.

Posted by: birdy | October 5, 2008 5:45 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Payne is worthless. I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: I would rather suffer through losing seasons watching Bobby Convey and Eddie Pope work their butts off and lose, than watch these overpaid losers do nothing and think they should win because they are Argentine or Brazilian. Get off the pitch. Nobody cares where you came from, and they are happy that you put out little effort as they run circles around you earning their $45,000 a year salary. Chew on that superstars.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I guess some people need to realize that Gallardo was not the problem this year.

First of all, Gomez pouted and chose not to re-sign thus opening the door for Gallardo to come in.

Second, when healthy, Gallardo has been pretty good for this team.

Third, players get injured and you can't really blame a player if he is significantly injured, as Gallardo has been for most of the season.

And lastly, Gallardo doesn't play defense and the problems on this team are directly related to the fact that defensively this team has been horrific.

End of rant...

Posted by: A Rickey | October 5, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

To clear up some stuff from last topic and this topic:

1) Gallardo, Jaime, and Ben have guaranteed contract's and will be back next year. There may be more that I don't know about, but Goff has repeatedly said these guys have guaranteed contract's.

2) Gomez CHOSE TO LEAVE DCU. He wanted 3 years guaranteed and we only offered 2 years. He's currently riding the bench in Colorado.

As for what I believe. I believe DC wanted to keep Gomez and throw Veron into the mix. That didn't happen and we ended up with Gallardo. Veron looks pretty smart to avoid this train wreck doesn't he?

I seem to recall Goff saying that one of the caveats of Emilio's new contract (since he has been nowhere near his form of last year) is that we can sell him easier than if we didn't re-sign him.

I really think that the braintrust (Payne, Chang, McFarlane) need to sit down and figure out what to do. Clearly what they did this year did not work out well for whatever reason. Injuries are only an excuse for so long. If, in the biggest game of the season, the team doesn't show up, that's clearly on the coach for not motivating the players (not that they should need any at this point) to get ready to play. Over the course of the season, I have not seen ANY of the defensive blunders, mis-hits, give-aways, or set marking improve. We look like we're 2 weeks into our preseason. That's all coaching.

Soehn needs to go and we need to hire someone who has been in MLS. We all saw how Ruud Gullit worked out for LA.

Posted by: strago | October 5, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

My biggest problem with the match last night was lining up in a 3-5-2.

We haven't had a solid backline with 4 all year, why would Soehn think 3 would get it done last night?

I could understand switching to a 3-5-2 late in the match when you're down, but not when you haven't played solidly in the back all year.

I also think it was a big mistake starting Gallardo, and with the revelation that he hurt his MCL and is likely out the rest of the year, that looks to be true.

Going into the match without Emilio and Moreno, I would have run out in a 4-5-1, with Boyzzz being the lone striker, and Tino playing CAM to start.

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 5, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Ok greg... You're not only mis-informed but you also are just an idiot. Kevin Payne? FIRE KEVIN PAYNE? The guy that created and founded the team...? The guy who came up with the freaking name? The guy that put together what still to this day is the best team in MLS history? Yeah let's do that. Let's throw the guy out on his ass, real good plan.

If you want to point the finger at someone in the front office then why don't you look towards Kasper instead. I mean he's the guy that instigated the newly founded ideology of building from foreign talent instead of the opposite. This clearly is more on Dave Kasper's shoulders than Payne's.

You just sound stupid calling for the firing of the father of D.C. United. Kevin Payne should/will always have a place in this organization and if he ever doesn't then that's the day that D.C. United becomes something very different.

Posted by: Chris | October 5, 2008 6:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm still shocked that Gallardo lovers still exist. They always refer to when he's healthy how great we were. Well when he was healthy we lost more than we won. His stats (assists and goals) are some of the worst in the league for a DP, even if you weight them on a per minute of play basis.

I'm sorry but I just don't get the Gallardo hype. The only player in my mind that deserves DP status on United is Moreno. Not only does he have the skill required but he motivates the team and puts everything he has into the game. It's one thing to be good, its another to care about the success of the team and actually want to win for more than just the pay check.

Posted by: Southeasterner | October 5, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

SO BECAUSE Gomez thought that he deserved 1 extra year, then that makes it his fault he is rotting in bolder county? I mean you give a guy who has done nothing for us 1.9 million a year with 2 years guranteed. But the guy who took us to the championship his first year and really gave it his all for united during his time only gets 300k and 2 years guranteed. Not to mention he was MLS MVP. TELL GALLARDO LOVERS, what has he done for us NOTHING.

ALL Year I have been hearing about, hey lets give him more games, its only half season, hes been hurt. ALL EXCUSES. Get this straight, GALLARDO will never do anything for this team, he is an arrogant POS, who plays for money not for the love of the game. Sell him to san lorenzo and get some real futbol players.

GAllardo lovers remind me of politics, instead of seeing whats wrong with this guy, they like to point out what was wrong with the previous number 10. WHAT WAS WRONG HIM REALLY.

Gomez had bad games, bad decesions, but he bled for the team, he led us to victories, and a championship, he always gave it his all, he was classy. This GAllardo guy is nowhere near the class or the heart of GOMEZ. Yeah he is not getting time at colorado, but since we do we evaluate players based on there performance in colorado??? Gomez showed up for 80% of the games hurt or not hurt, GAllardo showed up for 15%, TO me he has already retired, he is just recieving charity from UNITED

Posted by: dc fan | October 5, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

us gallinas always stick together!!!

Posted by: River Plate fan | October 5, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

"Isn't there some sort of clause in Gallardo's contract that will let us terminate it early?"

What part of "guaranteed contract" don't you understand?

Posted by: Mastodon Juan | October 5, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I know our flavor is more So. Am., but I wouldn't mind seeing how Harkes would be as a coach. Granted, there might need to be an ego clause in his contract. He knows the game and when I've heard him discuss games, his suggestions always seem sound.

Posted by: e | October 5, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

1 - Is the loneliest number.....when you're the first team eliminated from the playoff picture.

Posted by: 1 | October 5, 2008 2:53 PM

United is tied for 10th in the standings. Thus, while this scenario is mathematically possible, right now the Galaxy has the inside track on this dubious distinction.

Posted by: The Jeff | October 5, 2008 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, the good news is that we should get a high draft pick in next year's draft.

BTW, Carroll left because he was left exposed in the expansion draft. He was left exposed because the brain trust (Soehn) had determined him to be expendable. Don't you know he's happy about how that turned out.

Boswell asked to be traded because his relationship with Soehn severely deteriorated after BB refused to renegotiate his contract. Don't you know he's happy about how that turned out.

Gomez felt slighted by DCU management in that he wasn't given the contract he felt he had earned and deserved.

I don't know the details about Perkins decision to leave, but I don't think it was solely about earning more in Europe.

In summary, the loss of these players had more to do with how they were treated by the current management than anything else. And given how the current players are basically refusing to put forth any effort on the field, it looks like they don't want to play for them either.

Posted by: Will | October 5, 2008 7:53 PM | Report abuse

11- Players on the field last night who, despite playing in MLS, somehow managed to look overpaid.

Posted by: Beloved Cartoon Mouse | October 5, 2008 8:01 PM | Report abuse

To chime in on the season ticket holder disgust; I've had season tickets for 12 years and I told the ticket rep. this year that I wouldn't renew my tickets until there is a new head coach. I’ve never felt that way before, but this for me is hands down the worst coached team in DC UTD's history and Goff's numbers prove it.

I would rather stay home on a Saturday and watch re-runs of American Idol then endure the Tommy Soehn show, at least Idol has an organized format. Hell even under loony toon Hudson it wasn't pretty but at least the team didn't hand out goals like cup cakes at a kid's party.

For my money the management should have pulled the trigger back in June but that's water over the bridge.

Paul Mariner pick up the phone, El Diablo needs an asst. coaching job!

Posted by: Soehn The Exit | October 5, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Count me as one of the ones pondering the viability of continuing a full-season plan in a run-down stadium to see a team whose management doesn't care enough about to be sure they're fit and well coached in a city that just doesn't want things to improve. Add to that the demands of my son's schedule and my travel...and you have a serious possibility of subtracting me. And this after upgrading finally.

Posted by: LD | October 5, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

"In summary, the loss of these players had more to do with how they were treated by the current management than anything else. And given how the current players are basically refusing to put forth any effort on the field, it looks like they don't want to play for them either."
Did you see Crayton's quote claiming responsibility for the loss (despite that we scored zero goals)? Wouldn't it be a pleasant little surprise to hear KP and DK say "We blew it. We took the money for Perkins though we would have been better off with him to start with - bad judgment. We brought in Gallardo for a ton of money thinking he'd be able to contribute more than he has - bad judgment. We've d1cked around with trying to get a stadium built without asking our fans to lobby their city council people because we thought back room negotiations would work - we blew it. Pick any of the above or add your own. Chang and MacFarlane have to speak behind closed doors with the players and learn what the problem is with this team. When they combine the inevitable comments - that players don't like the management here at all - with the fact that we're one of the worst drafting teams in the league and we've made god awful trades repeatedly, the writing is on the wall. Be done with them and bring in new management.

Posted by: David | October 5, 2008 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Since it's the hot topic, let's look at what's going for and against Soehn's odds of keeping his job.

- 2007 Supporters' Shield
- 2008 US Open Cup
- United has a history of giving coaches an extra year to make things right (Rongen in 2001, Hudson in 2003) if there's a possible excuse (for Rongen, it was the cap-enforced destruction of what he inherited from Arena; for Hudson, it was that the mess left by Rongen would need more than 1 year of work).
- In both of his 2 years in charge, the team has gone on a long unbeaten streak and, at some point during the season, was as good or better than anyone in MLS.
- The team has been better both attacking and defending set pieces this year, with several goals scored on corners (as opposed to the very long goalless streaks from corners of the past). Set piece play is often an indicator of good coaching.
- Took part in the decisions that brought us Quaranta, Martinez, Guerrero, Crayton, Vide, and Khumalo.
- Can't be blamed for worst injury crisis in club history

- The team has routinely started important games stuck in 2nd gear.
- The progress of our central defenders has been non-existent (compounding this is the success of Boswell in Houston, in the same 4-man set up that he seemed lost in last year).
- Took part in the moves that brought us Carvallo, Niell, Peralta, and there being no realistic replacements for Moreno, Gallardo, and Olsen (all older players with injury histories)
- Re-acquired Dyachenko for a 1st round draft pick
- Notable lack of players defending him in the press, even while they are very willing to stand up for each other
- Higher number of red cards indicates a lower level of discipline throughout the team

Personally, I think Soehn is a decent coach but more and more it looks like he's lost this team. If he was fired, I would not lose much sleep. On the other hand, there are things he does a good job at and I could also see him doing a better job next year (there is so much to learn from this season that I struggle to see him somehow regressing).

I severely doubt he'll be fired before the end of the season, and as bizarre as it seems, MLS's parity has left us exactly where we started the weekend: 1 point out of a playoff spot. If we turn this thing around and get in somehow, Soehn definitely keeps his job. If we miss the playoffs, I'd say the odds of him being fired are still probably only 40%. Maybe Kevin Payne has changed over the years, but he's always seemed to have the idea that you give someone you once believed in another chance to make things right. On the other hand, Payne doesn't have total control, and if MacFarlane and Chang are less patient than Payne, then Soehn is probably gone.

The game last night was the worst I've felt leaving RFK since the 4-0 2005 playoff loss to Chicago. And as a game itself, this was actually worse. That Chicago loss was a freaky occurrence; everything the Fire touched turned to gold. Jack Stewart, now out of the league, played badly out of position at right midfield that night...and scored! Last night was different, since Chivas didn't actually play a spectacular game. They just stayed solid in the back, repelled what little we threw at them, and finished their (often gift-wrapped) chances. They weren't having a once-in-a-lifetime game by any means.

I can completely understand people writing this season off, giving up, and getting upset. However, until it's actually over, I can't join them. Call me a masochist, but I still see a team that's 1 point (with our goal differential, it'll almost have to be 2 points) out of the playoffs. If this weekend proved anything, it's that the 2 teams that were in the chasing pack that are going to separate themselves are RSL and Chivas. They'll grab those 2 spots beneath Houston. The rest of the teams left are so wildly inconsistent that a team left for dead like Toronto can win 3-1 at NY, a team that has all the sudden lost its ability to defend. The way this season's gone throughout the league, I would only consider Toronto or LA getting into the playoffs a mild surprise. For everyone else, it's wide open.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 5, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

And too boot, you all still don't have a stadium in DC.


Posted by: Mark Fisher | October 5, 2008 4:12 PM

Look Marc Fisher's spelling is so bad, he can't spell "to", or even his own name.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 5, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Chest -- would you really feel better if something miraculous happened and United started playing well enough to win some games and get in the playoffs? At least, the last two years, they were strong going in. This year, if they squeezed in, they'd get crushed.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 5, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

By-the-by, if I had to guess, I'd say that San Jose and/or Kansas City move up. Colorado will drop out and the Red Bulls may also. The Bulls have a tough schedule, but they are a better team than they were. If they snag 3 points, they probably stay in. United won't get more than 3 points. The Wizards might.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 5, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Just curious,
for all the anger driven people who say sack the coach immediately who do they think should take over?

Neither of our two assitant coaches is capable...or deserves it

We aren't going to go after Clavijo or Gullit...

the USL-1 coaches deserving of consideration are still with their teams in the playoffs.

I can't see a college coaches leaving at this point.....

and sorry but El Diablo and the other DC legends are appropriate to take over

As far as season tickets go. I know the owners are strongly committed to getting this team back on track. How do you call oneself a fan if you abandon and jump ship after one disappointing season, and one that is disapointing in part because its DCU's standards). It would be one thing if we were a hapless ruderless rusting vessel, but there is no reason to think that. Its not like we have some bovines on the front of our jersey

Abandoning the team because the city is run by an incompetent self serving d-bad only justifies their suspect decisions to not support the stadium.

I think Soehn is a good coach...(even if its as a top asistant) but his tragic flaw and undoing this year was to not address the mediocrity or worse in his staff. Before the season started he should have demanded a full time fitness and conditioning specialist be brought in...not leave it to a part-time assistant trainer

Simpson is by all accounts a world class nice guy and a solid coach.... but hasn't put in the time to integrate new keepers and work with the D. its more than doing an hour of one on one technical work each day....

And I wouldn't assume that the coaches are ignorant or indifferent to how the fans feel or what is happening, its not as easy as people think to work their way out of it, and some of it has to do with the leaders in the locker room. The rest has to do with the constant changes in player availability coupled with unplanned substitutions during games to address the injuries. The damage to the team and individual's psyche is considerable.

People on this board are complaining an order of magnitude more than the Yankees fans who won nothing this year and spent a heck of a lot more

In closing I feel bad for those that didn't come out for the USOC final....

Posted by: WC | October 5, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

You know what number I'd like to see? Since Jaime's return from exile in the Swamp, how many goals has United scored when he's not in the lineup?

With him, at least the offense looks like they could possibly score a goal. Without him... well, you saw that mess last night.

Posted by: Kenobi | October 5, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

@dc fan: Gallardo will not play for San Lorenzo.
just ask.
@WC: In reference to those who didn't go to the USOC final I agree. I was at the game, had an awesome time, and am still mind boggled these guys have played so terribly since.

Chest still has the fighting spirit that I'm trying so hard to cling to. United has just given away so many points in such ridiculous situations, that I can't help but feel like these guys just don't deserve it and they'd be better off not embarrassing themselves any more by making the playoffs. I'm excited for some of the reserves to make strong enough impressions to earn themselves some opportunity next season, in some of these final games. I wasn't even counting us out of the CCL yet to be honest, but with Emilio, Fred, Gallardo, etc. injured it will be very difficult.
Vamos United! Go Sounders...

Posted by: dadryan | October 6, 2008 12:09 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe you "fans" that are considering not to renew your season tickets just because the team is having an off year or soehn is the coach. Thats ridiculous. I bought season tickets this year with the SE but was only able to enjoy half the season and am stuck in iraq for the other half clinging to this blog for any information to stay updated with the team. I plan on buying season tickets again next year even though I'll be living in north carolina. I have every confidence that Kasper and Payne will figure out things out for next year. Like its been said before, the bar has been set so high with United that anything less than an MLS Cup is a failure in most DCU fan's eyes. We have become the Yankees and Cowgirls of MLS. A few suggestions for Payne/Kasper:
-Somehow dump Gallardo and Emilio and bring Dempsey back from the EPL - he's not getting any playing time over there anyways. He deserves DP salary. I think its been proven that Gallardo is injury prone and isn't getting any younger. Emilio should only stay if we find a playmaker that can feed him the ball. Emilio has proven that he can't create his own chances (the lone exception being at Chicago early in the season).
-Fire Soehn and bring in a coach thats a disciplinarian - like Novak. The team hated him but at least he got results.

In the meantime - lets close out the rest of the season and make the playoffs!

Posted by: ewf | October 6, 2008 4:42 AM | Report abuse

Fire Tom Soehn NOW!

Posted by: bristol | October 6, 2008 6:28 AM | Report abuse

It's funny reading about all the injuries and how some say that is not Tommy's fault. I agree the injuries are not his fault but many of them could have been avoided with proper conditioning - maybe.
The key thing for a coach is injury management or team management when your key players are hurt. So we lose Gallardo - yes that hurts but it's the coaches job to plan for this and have someone who can fill in - Tommy's choice? - ROD D - HELLO. rod is not good enough to play in the PDL and he starts????!!?
This is just one example of how Tommy and KP have abandoned or gutted the depth of this team when Peter was here.
This winter should contain ZERO big signings but should contain MANY MANY backup signings....

Posted by: bobf | October 6, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

ABMOD for coach.

Posted by: Rick in Ashburn | October 6, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

"Just curious,
for all the anger driven people who say sack the coach immediately who do they think should take over?"

Are you serious? Do you work for the DC front office or something? Also I don't call it anger I call it passion.

First off TS should been sacked in June when the signs were all there, but again that didn't happen. At this point it's way to late to turn things around. The train has wrecked my friend. Even if they did get into the playoffs the reality of getting past the first round is almost non-existent. Teams generally do well going into the play-offs playing their best soccer of the year not the worst in club history.

The "we can't get any better" rational just doesn't hold water. Again a short list of head coach replacements:


As far as the keep Soehn "because he won trophies crowd" get real, winning the Supporter's Shield and Open Cup don't mean a pile of poop in this league. Asked the owners/sponsors what they would rather have: 6,000 fans at a weeknight Open Cup final being broadcast on an upper tier digital cable network with no promotion or 50,000 fans at an MLS Weekend final being broadcast on a major network with massive promotion.

I bet VW would sure as hell like to see that huge Barra Brava DC Jersey on ABC at an MLS final.

For my money that won't happen with Tommy Soehn calling the shots.

Posted by: Soehn The Exit | October 6, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse


"I agree the injuries are not his fault but many of them could have been avoided with proper conditioning - maybe." - from bobf


Folks, I think we have a new internet record for most weasel-words crammed into a single sentence.

Posted by: Ron | October 6, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

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