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United's Costa Rica Adventure

With little hope of reaching the quarterfinals and another critical league match looming Sunday, D.C. will send just 16 players to Costa Rica for Thursday's Champions League game against Saprissa (10 p.m. ET, Fox Soccer Channel).

The list:

GOALKEEPERS: Zach Wells, James Thorpe.
DEFENDERS: Marc Burch, Pat Carroll, Greg Janicki, Devon McTavish, Gonzalo Martinez, Mike Zaher.
MIDFIELDERS: Ryan Cordeiro, Rod Dyachenko, Quavas Kirk, Joe Vide, Craig Thompson, Ryan Miller.
FORWARDS: Francis Doe, Thabiso Khumalo.

What should the starting lineup look like?

By Steve Goff  |  October 7, 2008; 10:37 AM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

This is a Champions' League Reserve match... right?

Posted by: dcindc | October 7, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

That midfield....

Posted by: Ed | October 7, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Look, I understand the priorities, but this is still quite sad, and the entirety of the MLS performance in this competition has been one long damning critique of the current senior roster setup.

For that reason alone, I tepidly hope DCU gets clocked down there. The other part of me wonders if it'll even matter, though.

Ugh.

Posted by: Kyle | October 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

why do they keep on pushing martinez? GIve the guy a rest!!!

Posted by: 135 | October 7, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Love the attitude...never give up, no surrender! This makes it hard to support this team...

Posted by: EMP | October 7, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

It's also sad that the guys getting paid the least are the one's getting the most games. I hope at least they get a decent bonus for each CL game they play. Maybe they'll all earn enough this year for a down payment on a reverse players used car.

Posted by: DCUinCT | October 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Wells
Burch Carrol Zaher
Vide
Miller Dyachenko Kirk
Cordeiro
Boyzz Doe

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 7, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Now, in regards to MLS and it's commitment to events/tournaments outside of its competition - it's stated that bonues and pay for participation in these should not take away from the League.

FINE

But lets make the league something WORTH winning, rather than being the best team over four games after being an OK team over, give or take 15 games.

SINGLE TABLE - that would give MLS about 4 extra weeks to help assist scheduling against FIFA Dates.

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 7, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I'm calling it now, you'll thank me later:

2-1 win for DC.

Posted by: Man | October 7, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

-----------------Wells--------------

--Martinez--McTavish--Janiki--Burch

---------------Vide---------------

Thompson---------------------Cordierio

---------------Dychenko-----------

----------Khumalo------Doe----------

Posted by: Sysco76 | October 7, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow.

Just play 10 men in the back, park the bus, pray for a shutout (guess you can't play Wells, then) and maybe eek out a point for the first time.

Posted by: RK | October 7, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

Face it there are only 6 games left for DCU no matter what. They are not going to advance in the CCL nor are they going to make the playoffs. Too many injuries right now, no momentum, extremely tough schedule (unless the 3 MLS leaders clinch and rest starters, I am guessing this is what Soehn is banking on by playing weak team in CCL) and too many other teams that DCU will need to jump over to get into the playoffs. Being on the road for 2 of 3 MLS games does not bode well as DCU is the worst road team in MLS. I don't think it makes a difference what Soehn does at this point. The only way he's back is if management decides due to injuries this year he was handcuffed and gives him a change to right the ship next year, under the knowledge that a poor start or prolonged losing stretch at any point will get him fired.

Posted by: glove | October 7, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

or Soehn could just put all 16 names in a hat and go fishing for 11. Would match his coaching skills to a T.

Posted by: glove | October 7, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

So I guess Jaime Moreno and the team are pretty confident he can win his second-game MLS suspension appeal, which means they'd want him fresh for this weekend's league game? Or is he injured again, as well?

Otherwise I woulda thought he'd go to San Jose to provide the young'uns with some veteran leadership...

Posted by: Juan-John | October 7, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

DC fans will get more out of this game than they think - They are going to get meaningful minutes to the young guys who need to learn what it's like to play in tough games vs international competition. It will make them better somewhere down the road... not that anyone has any patience these days in sports.

Posted by: George | October 7, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

That squad wouldn't make it far in the Johnston's Paint Trophy Northern or Southern Division.

Posted by: Kev | October 7, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@George,

Cheers - although, I always prefer to blood my youth after we've secured our advancement.

However, methinks the 2009 version of DC United will not have many holdovers - our offseason will be a firesale that only the US Financial System mimics! YAY!

Posted by: Virginia Blue Blood | October 7, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

How sad. It looks like the NE Rev's approach to CCC play in the past for road games. Instead, it's us--the team of "champions," the team that lives for big games and tournaments. Er, uh, maybe not.

I do wonder about holding out Moreno. It does imply that the team feels he benefits from some rest. Otherwise, what this match is, is a chance to showcase talent for Seattle. Basically, these are most of the guys we'll be exposing the expansion draft (plus probably 2-3 more names).

Posted by: JoeW | October 7, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

--James Thorpe--
--Pat Carroll, Greg Janicki, Devon McTavish, Mike Zaher--
--Ryan Cordeiro, Joe Vide, Craig Thompson, Ryan Miller--
-- Rod Dyachenko, Quavas Kirk --
--Thabiso Khumalo--

just conceed the game, and the season.

Posted by: Kenny | October 7, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Saprissa will win this match by as many goals as they feel like scoring. They are tied on points with Cruz Azul and Marathon but behind on goal difference I believe? They should recognize that they are playing a weak, disorganized and disspirited team. It is an opportunity for them to improve their goal difference significantly qne improve their chances of making it to the knock our round. Look out: this match could give us an awful beat down. But I do agree with some of the other postings that the experience of playing away at Saprissa with be of benefit for the young players.

Posted by: rob | October 7, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

wow with this line-up lets see who wants to be here for next year!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 7, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

hey look, Pat Carroll's not dead! And he's apparently still on the team. I don't get why his chances were so limited. I thought he was a decent player with one very strong weapon (that long throw in that causes havoc). But after getting a game or two he was seemingly totally forgotten about.

Posted by: Glenn | October 7, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I don't know ... I feel a win brewing Thursday! It's about as certain as the Dow is right now, but still - gotta have hope, right?

Posted by: in home | October 7, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Let the seldom-seens play

Thorpe
Carroll-Janicki-Zaher-McTavish
Cordeiro-Vide-Miller-Thompson-Kirk
Doe

Take notes on this game for next season. Flip em around between center-left-right during the game to see how they handle other postions.

I leave out Dyachenko and Wells because there is not hope for either. The rest get rested for MLS games.

Posted by: Wiggan | October 7, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I expect these guys to compete and put on a good show. They want to keep their jobs next season and maybe get a raise to $15K or so for some of them.

Posted by: Who | October 7, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Wells

McT Janicki Martinez Burch

Thompson Vide Cordiero
Rod

Kirk Khumalo

Posted by: Crippled Keeper | October 7, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

---------------Wells---------------

Carrol---Janicki---McTavish---Burch

---------------Vide----------------

Thompson-----Dychenko------Corderio

--------------Khumalo--------------

----------------Doe----------------

At this point United needs to use the Champions League games to weed out the players they are going to throw away and the ones they want to develop for next year.

Posted by: Emjay613 | October 7, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Look at the bright side - these games are FAR better reserve games than playing the Red Bulls reserves with/against guest players in the MLS Reserve League

Posted by: soyinocente | October 7, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Who cares!

DCU will use these games to help decide who to keep and who to dump going into next season. It sucks, but its the right decision. Not that resting players for MLS games seems to help...

Posted by: therealfootball | October 7, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

IMO, this is the kind of roster that should have been used for all the Champions League games. There was never any way we ere going to be competitive in BOTH the CL and the playoff hunt, but we tried and now we've been completely destroyed in both. Super.

It's too late to make a grand point (regarding MLS roster sizes) with this lineup, but at least some of the young guys get to travel, get some playing time, and a shot to claim their place on the team.

Posted by: Doppler | October 7, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't know ... I feel a win brewing Thursday! It's about as certain as the Dow is right now, but still - gotta have hope, right?

Posted by: in home | October 7, 2008 12:05 PM
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Hope was gone a long time ago!!!

Posted by: kris | October 7, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

--------------Wells------------
Zaher--Janicki--Carroll--McTavish--Martinez
--------------Vide-------------
Miller -----------------Cordeiro
------------Dyachenko----------
-------------Thumalo-----------

Posted by: Mo | October 7, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Quavas is terrible. Martinez is terrible. Thompson is terrible.

Can we bring in academy interns to play this game for free?

Posted by: Mo | October 7, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Watch this team go down there and get the win. I'd like to see the shock on Soehn's face from that.

Posted by: elopingcamel | October 7, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

5-4 DC united in a shootout...

you can't beat crazy

1 pk, 1 deflection off a defender on a corner, and 2 set pieces that trickle in...
then, in the 88th minute when its all tied up, counterattack by DYACHENKO, that immediately fails....then in the 91st minute, trickler out to burch top of the box, hits it for the win

Posted by: ben olsens bone fragments | October 7, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

------------Wells-------------
-McT--Janicki--Carroll--Burch-
------------Vide--------------
-Kirk----------------Cordeiro-
---------Dyachenko------------
-------Khumalo----------------
---------------Doe------------

Posted by: AJ | October 7, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Vamos United!

the boys in black and red will put up a good fight..

Posted by: myt! | October 7, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

so is anyone sure Soehn is going, or are we sending backup coaches too?

Posted by: mezz 48 | October 7, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Since I think they will lose anyway, I would love to see United do something radical like playing a 3-4-3, 4-3-3 or God forbid a 3-5-2. Showcase the talent they have give the back-ups a chance to show their stuff. Play McTavish and Vide in the defensive midfield. (And never ever, ever play Burch as a central defender again ... ever)

Posted by: Emjay613 | October 7, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

I don't know which is worse, this line up or the fact that it's being shown on FSC.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 7, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Expect one of two things to happen with the same result. Because Saprissa is behind in goal differential they could play their best 11 and possibly give us a beat down. Or they can start reserves like last time and beat us but maybe not as bad.
Although I disagree with the poster that thinks our reserves will not play with spirit. I believe they will show more heart than our starters at this time. Vamos United Reserves!

Posted by: JMR | October 7, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

With that roster, does it really matter what the lineup is?

Posted by: Claymore | October 7, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

First changes for 2009
the website is going to be independent from MLS.

Another change Soehn is out, DC is looking for a shortlist of coaches.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 7, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Okay boys....here's your audition for Kaspar and Payne to invite you to audition for next year's coach....

As long as Burch doesn't play in the middle and Dyachenko doesn't start, I'll be happy. What's that? I won't be happy? Oh....

Posted by: DWE4 | October 7, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

What's the over/under of idiotic give-aways by Rod in this match?

Posted by: I See The Future | October 7, 2008 1:35 PM | Report abuse

That attitude (playing with the reserve team) reflects why MLS, despite of the money you got, is not a really competitive league. Expect a Cloverfield experience at the Ricardo Saprissa stadium mis amigos gringos!!! 3-0

Posted by: Jairo Guerrero_ Costa Rica | October 7, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

So...who's the captain..?

Posted by: Niv | October 7, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

here is the best lineup that gives us a chance:

Thorpe--Wells
McTavish--Janicki
Burch--Carroll--Zaher--Martinez
Vide--thompson-- Miller
Cordiero -- Dyanchenko -- Kirk
Grandpa --------Boyzzzz

but even then I don't see us scoring.

Posted by: northzax | October 7, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

My Prediction:

First Half

Saprissa 3 DC United 0

After a lengthy speech by Soehn before second half.

Second Half

Saprissa 3 DC United 3

Extra Time

Dychenko scores after feeling tired of all the buse he gets in "The Soccer Insider".

Sapprissa 3 DC United 4

Posted by: Walter Mercado | October 7, 2008 1:51 PM | Report abuse

"What should the starting lineup look like?"
I'm pretty sure the winning answer is "s**t".

Posted by: ncguy | October 7, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

That attitude (playing with the reserve team) reflects why MLS, despite of the money you got, is not a really competitive league. Expect a Cloverfield experience at the Ricardo Saprissa stadium mis amigos gringos!!! 3-0

Posted by: Jairo Guerrero_ Costa Rica | October 7, 2008 1:36 PM
__________________________________________

Money? son! MLS players make worth jack compared to other leagues. I dont know what you talking bout kid but read the info about MLS and its salaries. You prolly base your info on the DP salaries. MLS reserves dont make enough. Its is a competitive league but under our circumstances we work with what we have.

dont judge to quick.
and for cloverfield experience i expect Goat milk and vitamins from Guadalajara to be part of the package.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 7, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This whole season has been one big joke. I have followed this club since the beginning and if the policy of our owners, administration, support staff, coaches and players is to be reactionary and not revolutionary then MY reaction will be to not invest so much of my time in it.

There are many reasons why we have performed so poorly this year but planning ahead could have solved at least a portion of our problems.

We have heard time and time again that the club wants our most loyal supporters ti have a say in the club. Well. now is the time for us to exert that given pressure on the top echelons of the club and say: "We are NOT satisfied and we will NOT wait any longer for solutions."

Posted by: Dave | October 7, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

YIKES srsly? this gunna get real ugly. purple monster gunna eat them boiz alive.
i'm also setting the odds at dyachenko getting red carded at 1:1.

Posted by: MarkVA | October 7, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"I am throwing in thw towel early"

Posted by: Tom Soehn | October 7, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

whats funny is that we will get smashed against houston, so whats the poiont of keeping players out.. WHAT ARE we resting them for the busy offseason

ON THE COUCH???

Posted by: dc fan | October 7, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Glenn:

Pat Carroll played 7 or 8 meaningful games. He did well in one of them (2-0 win over Kansas City at home). He really struggled in all the others.

Emjay613:

Normally I'd agree about Burch, but he played well there against Cruz Azul. When the choices are a worn-out McTavish or a not-good-enough Carroll, I'll take Burch just for the educational experience.

***

The team that went out against Cruz Azul earned another shot, for the most part. Moreno's out, so you replace him with Khumalo. I think McTavish needs a rest, so I'd sit him, bring in Cordeiro, and (sigh) play Dyachenko in the middle. Maybe playing amongst the reserves, he'll show what he must show in practice to keep his place on the team.

------------ Khumalo - Doe
---------------- Dyachenko
Cordeiro ------------------------------- Kirk
-------------------- Vide
Zaher - Burch - Janicki - Thompson
------------------- Wells

If Miller can play as a defensive midfielder (I have no idea if this is true, since his only appearance thus far was the 7 minutes on the right on Saturday), then play him instead of Dyachenko in an effort to slow Saprissa down. I don't want McTavish to do anything on this trip to Costa Rica other than recuperate, since we are still actually in the thick of the playoff chase (yes, I'm ignoring the team's utter lack of momentum and schedule). If Janicki does as well in this game as he did against Cruz Azul, he has to be considered for a role in the remaining league games. He can't do much worse than Peralta did Saturday.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 7, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

He can't do much worse than Peralta did Saturday.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 7, 2008 2:23 PM

Agreed. If I see him head one more ball that's below his waist without his feet leaving the ground I am going to barf all over myself. I love Peralta's bestiality potential but he does some sketchy stuff.
I'm also trying to remember if this group of guys is weaker than the group I saw get punked down in Richmond in the preseason.
I'm not giving up, but I might have to skip watching this one. My neighbors are sick of me inviting myself over to watch this team lose every week.

Posted by: dadryan | October 7, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

If Soehn is still around come next year I'm done with this team.

This is spitting on the tradition of DC United. We take international games seriously.

Soehn with NO FRIGGIN HOPE of making the playoffs decides to send lambs to the slaughter, sully the reputation of DC United and do likely irreparable damage to the fan base and the reputation of MLS overall.

Seriously. I'm done.

Zack Wells in goal says it all.

Posted by: finished | October 7, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

According to the stats on the DCU website P. Carroll has played in 4 regular season games, 186 minutes. What other "meaningful" games has he played? Let's face it, all of our defenders have struggled this year at one time or another. I don't remember him making the bonehead plays that Burch seems to continue making, but he hasn't had as much time to do so.

Posted by: Glenn | October 7, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Easier to list the bench:

Thorpe, Carroll, Zaher, Kirk and Miller.

Posted by: Fisch Fry | October 7, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This whole season has been one big joke. I have followed this club since the beginning and if the policy of our owners, administration, support staff, coaches and players is to be reactionary and not revolutionary then MY reaction will be to not invest so much of my time in it.

-- I am sure that threat will grab their attention. Oh, and aren't you being a bit reactionary?

There are many reasons why we have performed so poorly this year but planning ahead could have solved at least a portion of our problems.

-- DCU FO says: Got it. We'll plan ahead next year to plan ahead.

We have heard time and time again that the club wants our most loyal supporters ti have a say in the club. Well. now is the time for us to exert that given pressure on the top echelons of the club and say: "We are NOT satisfied and we will NOT wait any longer for solutions."

Posted by: Dave | October 7, 2008 2:08 PM

-- you said in your first paragraph that you will no longer actively support the team. You say in the last paragraph you will "not wait any longer". How does that put pressure on anybody? All they would say is "don't let the door hit you on your way out."

Posted by: Ron | October 7, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We take international games seriously.

Posted by: finished | October 7, 2008 3:11 PM

Got a mouse in your pocket? LOL...

Posted by: JkR | October 7, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

What was it I said earlier this season? Ten players and a goalie.

Posted by: Tom Soehn | October 7, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Love the attitude...never give up, no surrender! This makes it hard to support this team...

Posted by: EMP | October 7, 2008 10:56 AM
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Never Giving up and not surrendering makes it hard for you to support this team?

It makes me support this team even more.

Posted by: Charlie | October 7, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I've said it before and will say it again - I'm no DC fan but you guys got jobbed by MLS this year. I will be shocked if a significant change in scheduling isn't made during the break to keep this from happening again.

Posted by: Moose McDowell | October 7, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know which is worse, this line up or the fact that it's being shown on FSC.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 7, 2008 1:23 PM
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Better be glad. If FSC is not there none of the so called networks cared. I am thankful for FSC. They bring a lot of MLS or US games to us whether they are domestic or international games. The rest of the network they get lost in thir own backyard.

Posted by: td | October 7, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

oh and I think the whole bad luck or down turn has started when DC hired TS as a coach. Granted there two SSS but it came down and down every year and the worse is yet to come.

Posted by: td | October 7, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Vamos Saprissa!

Posted by: Carole | October 7, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Screw Saprissa!

Posted by: dadryan | October 7, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Can you blame them for leaving players back in DC?

Emilio is out, Fred is Out, Gallardo is Out, Olsen is Out, Moreno's knees would last 20 minutes on that concrete turf, Simms and Namoff have combined for roughly 7200+ minutes this year in all competitions.

Yes, we could bring Crayton down, and I believe we should, but other than that, what would you have them do?

That said:

------------------Wells-------------------
Thompson-----Janicki-Martinez--------Burch
--------------Vide----McTavish------------
Kirk------------------------------Cordeiro
-----------------Boyzzz-------------------
------------------Doe---------------------

Boyzzz does well receiving the ball with his back to the goal, then turning and shooting, taking a man on, or passing into space. Why not give him a shot at A-Mid? Can't be any worse than D-Rod, whom I'm sure I'll be seeing soon on the roster of the Carolina Railhawks.

Posted by: AlecW81 | October 7, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

vamos monstruo, para adelante.... cojanse a esos malparidos

Posted by: daniel | October 7, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Saprissa won the match at Washington, they'll win at home of course!!!

Posted by: TicoRico | October 7, 2008 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: dadryan | October 7, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I should have warned of the terrible violence towards a certain purple monster on that link...

Posted by: dadryan | October 7, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Never give up, never surrender...

Now where have I heard that before?

Posted by: Peter Quincy Taggart | October 7, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Thom is playing the new guys so our next cach will have an idea of who has the chops and who doesn't. That's pretty classy move.

Posted by: Anonymous | October 8, 2008 1:12 PM | Report abuse

If Janicki does as well in this game as he did against Cruz Azul, he has to be considered for a role in the remaining league games. He can't do much worse than Peralta did Saturday.

Posted by: Chest Rockwell | October 7, 2008 2:23 PM
* * *
Totally right about Janicki. That was the best performance I've seen from a united center back since Boswell's first year. It was nice to have someone back there who gives that confident sense of owning the area. And he looked like a threat on the set pieces too, though he needs to get on target.

Posted by: regular fan | October 8, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

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