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Matchnight: RSL-Red Bulls

Welcome to the discussion area for tonight's MLS Western Conference final between third-seeded Real Salt Lake and fourth-seeded Red Bull New York. (Combined record, including playoffs: 22-21-21.)

Kickoff is 9:30 p.m. ET on Fox Soccer Channel and HDNet.

Your pregame, in-game and postgame thoughts are encouraged.

Enjoy the match!

By Steve Goff  |  November 15, 2008; 6:23 PM ET
Categories:  MLS  
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Love the Hi Def footy on HDnet...

Posted by: JkR- | November 15, 2008 6:39 PM | Report abuse

FSC has no Balboa. However, HDNet is in HD. Decisions, decisions...

Goal pool: I'm taking Clint Mathis. He's due, and I'd hate to call an easy one like Angel or Movsisyan.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 15, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Findley and Espindola, if I'm getting odds.

Posted by: fischy | November 15, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Question: What channel is HDNet? I'm gonna watch at my neighbors place, he's got FSC. He's got Fios in Arlington...
What kind of hook up do you need to get HDNet?
I'll go with Morales as no one's called on him. Maybe an own goal off Beckerman's fakin' jamaican stank locks?...

Posted by: DadRyan | November 15, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Findley might prove to be a very good call, since Kreis puts him into every game regardless of the situation. If they're losing, he's the extra striker or change of pace. If they're ahead, his speed is better suited for counterattacks.

Another fearless prediction: Osorio changes a working formula and goes to a 4231. Wolyniec goes out, and Mendes (not Pietravallo) comes in as a defensive midfielder.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 15, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse


For me HD net is channel 569 and I have Fios. Hope that helps.

RSL will win and make me 2/2 on final predictions (made at the beginning of the playoffs, not the season)

Posted by: GoUnited | November 15, 2008 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Quality pregame insight.

Posted by: redskinsux | November 15, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

569 in Maryland, as well. In lieu of a pregame show, HDNet is showing something called "Bikini Destination".

I'm thinking my 2nd fearless prediction might have a flaw. It could be Magee or Rojas coming in as an attacking midfielder and Ubiparipovic sliding back alongside Sassano. I guess it wasn't so fearless after all.


Lineups, per MLSnet:

RSL (442): Rimando; Russell, Olave, Borchers, Wingert; Kovalenko, Beckerman, Morales, Johnson; Mathis, Movsisyan. Subs: Seitz, Joy, Beltran, Williams, Findley, Espindola, Deuchar

NYR (442): Cepero; Leitch, Mendes, Jimenez, Goldthwaite; Richards, Sassano, Ubiparipovic, Van den Bergh; Angel, Wolyniec. Subs: Patterson-Sewell, Boyens, Cichero, Pietravallo, Rojas, Magee, Kandji

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 15, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

It could also be that Russell is on the left and Wingert is on the right. They've done that a couple times.

For NY, it could be a 3412 with Mendes alongside Sassano in defensive midfield, but that seems unlikely for someone as cautious as Osorio.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 15, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

A HD box is required for the HD offerings from Verizon.

Posted by: sitruc | November 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the channel info fellas.

Posted by: DadRyan | November 15, 2008 9:18 PM | Report abuse

RB take a 1-0 lead after RSL has dominated.

Posted by: sitruc | November 15, 2008 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"HDNet is showing something called 'Bikini Destination'"

Not quite as good as "MILF Island," but close.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | November 15, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Wow, RSL has possession but is failing to MOVE FORWARD. They look like they're afraid to attack. They're not making those attacking runs. It looks like it might cost them -- 70th minute.

Posted by: redskinsux | November 15, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

every minute that goes by while new york is winning is making me more and more ill...

Posted by: birdynumnum | November 15, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

82nd minute-Real couldn't score in a brothel,,,,

Posted by: Ho_Ho_Ho | November 15, 2008 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Why didn't RSL SHOOT when they had a freekick right outside the box AND a live blue smoke bomb right in front of Cepero???????

Posted by: redskinsux | November 15, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

That just wasn't right.

Posted by: sitruc | November 15, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

If DCU had made it this far, the same question woulda been asked by Amurrikan sports fans who aren't interested in soccer:


Posted by: Juan-John | November 15, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

...i just threw up in my mouth....sorry to gross everyone out. for the love of god, columbus please win next week.

Posted by: birdynumnum | November 15, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Smoley Hokes, is Jim Rome gonna have a field day with this...

Posted by: Juan-John | November 15, 2008 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Even the non-NJ hating side of me thought that was depressing and sickening.

Posted by: sitruc | November 15, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Um, the MLS office is even for once going to have to root for Columbus because if NY wins, they're going to be under pressure from everyone to blow up their playoffs.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | November 15, 2008 11:44 PM | Report abuse

And what does this Red Bull victory mean?

"Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!"

Imagine if the Red Bulls won the Cup!
No, it's too horrible, don't imagine it!

Posted by: Ho_Ho_Ho | November 15, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

You could justify the hate on a bunch of levels...
--that's it's TFKAM...
--that a team with a losing record and who played poorly most of the season could win the MLS Cup
--that a team with such a terrible group of supporters and such bad attendance in such an incredible soccer market advances...
--that I"m now forced to root for Columbus to win the MLS Cup.

But the single biggest reason for hate and anger and frustration is this: one better result, anywhere in the season, and it's DC United in the 8th spot. Now maybe we wouldn't have won against Houston. Maybe we wouldn't have won against RSL. But what the RedBulls have shown is that (a) you can get hot in the playoffs and (b) 2 defensive guys in the middle of the park, a lucky GK and some timely finishing is enough to get past Houston and RSL.

Frankly, I'd take Vide and Simms over Ubipiparovic and Sasson and I'd take our backline and GK over their's at this point. It hurts every time a realistic chance at a championship gets missed. And what this year shows is that the 8th seed had a really got path to the Finals.

Posted by: JoeW1 | November 15, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

And what this year shows is that the 8th seed had a really got path to the Finals.

Posted by: JoeW1 | November 15, 2008 11:54 PM
I'm sorry, I'm as appalled by this Red Bulls situation as much as the next DCU fan, but beating Houston in a home/away series is hardly a "path" (I think you meant "clear path") to the finals.

This merely highlights the importance of getting "hot" during playoffs -- can happen in any sport. One thing I don't like is that the first round is a home/away series, but then the championship round (with more on the line) is a single game. If the league wants the "better" team to advance, then make it home/away for both parts of the playoffs. I guess you could argue that a single game provides more drama/interest (and thus better TV)?

Posted by: edgeonyou | November 16, 2008 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Interesting observation, edge. Normally, the complaint about the home-away series is that it gives the lesser team too much of an advantage. If they win the first game at their home, there is a crazy amount of pressure on the better team, since they have to rally with a win, by at least 2 goals. The assumption is that the single game series is a better bet for the home team -- thus, giving the "better" team an added advantage.

Posted by: fischy | November 16, 2008 9:17 PM | Report abuse

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