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Seattle Selects.....

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Columbus MF Brad Evans
Houston F Nate Jaqua
Chicago MF Stephen King
New York D Jeff Parke
San Jose D-MF James Riley
New England MF Khano Smith
Toronto F Jarrod Smith
RSL MF Nathan Sturgis
Los Angeles MF Peter Vagenas
Kansas City D Tyson Wahl

The moves are effective Friday, so Jaqua is eligible tonight against Firpo.

DCU, Colorado, Chivas USA and Dallas did not lose anyone.

By Steve Goff  |  November 26, 2008; 2:02 PM ET
Categories:  MLS  
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thank you; happy that Vide and Doe are still here; Khano Smith and Brad Evans could be excellent trade bait.

Posted by: KHSpartan11 | November 26, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I knew jaqua was going...he is just a good player to pass up..

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | November 26, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty solid team they're putting together. Glad to see United didn't lose anyone.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | November 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I like Stephen King trade. Now if only Jason Garey could get traded and find a spot to play somewhere.

Posted by: Colm1 | November 26, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I can breathe eaiser now but I cant help feeling that seattle think our players are useless.

Posted by: TheJim1 | November 26, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Is it good or bad that there are 3 ex galaxy players there (including Pete V)?

Really surprised no DCU players went. Happy, but surprised.

Posted by: LookingDangerous | November 26, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I did pretty well in my picks. Five of 10 spot on (Evans, Parke, Riley, Khano Smith, and Wahl). I also had Jacqua as possible, depending on how much Seattle wanted to pay out on draft players -- Jacqua was the best pick, but I thought they might go for Ashe, based on price.

Vagenas and Sturgis surprise me because of age and salary. I like King -- I've been beating the why didn't DC pick him drum for almost a year -- but I thought there were more promising choices on the Fire. The Jarrod Smith pick is the only one that I wonder about -- not least because he's an international. Or, is he now considered an American, after 4 years in college, and one year -- oops, in Canada?

Posted by: fischy | November 26, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

No, Seattle doesn't have a pretty good team. While I think there draft is surprisingly good for an expansion draft, teams that count on the expansion draft for more than about 2 starters usually stink.

We look at players and go "wow--Khano Smith ain't that bad--he's a good pickup" but the truth is that almost everyone on the list is a role player, someone with a major hole in their game or has issues (Parke's suspension and out of contract).


Posted by: JoeW1 | November 26, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I can breathe eaiser now but I cant help feeling that seattle think our players are useless.

Posted by: TheJim1 | November 26, 2008 2:17 PM
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Let them persist in their error... until AFTER we leave decimate them!

Posted by: schmuckatelli | November 26, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

As I review my predictions, I realize I miscounted -- I thought I was at 12 and tool off 2, but I was at 13 and took off 2, so I can't give myself a final grade. I probably would have dropped the pick from Dallas -- which means that Colorado would have been the only team I thought would lose a player and didn't. I should have realized Colorado forwards were too old and expensive to be picked, but I wouldn't have expected Seattle to pick Vagenas instead. Good player, though.

Posted by: fischy | November 26, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

This is a great day for DC, as I thought surely Doe or Vide were goners!

Posted by: BurchFan4 | November 26, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

JoeW1 -- YOu osund like you're criticizing Seattle. Let's realize an important thing. Every team was allowed to protect it's 10 most valuable players -- actually they were able to do more than that, since they could leave off goalies, DPs and other really highly-priced players. Seattle had slim pickings to choose from. However, I'd say they did pretty well. Got some promising young players would may develop into quality starters, and the sprinkled in a couple of veterans that will contribute immediately.

About Parke -- does anyone know if his suspension will carry over to next season? Perhaps that's why he was available. If so, it's still a good move, as Seattle has to be looking at building a team that will be competitive in '10, not '09.

Posted by: fischy | November 26, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Some decent selections but many question marks as well. Would Houston have agreed to a trade for Jaqua instead of Seattle having to waste a pick on him? He's been pretty up front about his wish to go back home so why spend a pick on him instead of working out a deal for him? Rico Clark is probably headed to Europe, DeRo wants to go to Toronto, so why not look at a MF that Houston wants to then work out a deal + allocation money? Also, Jarrod Smith instead of Johann Smith??? Jeff Parke who is suspended for a few games next year, has an expiring contract and is demanding close to $100k and is also looking to heading to Norway??? James Riley is junk...Khano Smith is junk...Vagenas is a decent pick but isn't he comparable to Stephen King?

My picks would've been:
- Brad Evans
- Sasha Victorine
- Brandon Prideaux
- Nate Jaqua (if a trade couldn't be worked, otherwise Ashe - would love Ianni but he's demanding a trade to a CA team)
- Tyson Wahl
- Pat Phelan
- Francis Doe
- Mike Randolph
- Nathan Sturgis
- Johann Smith

F's: (ST) LeToux, (ST) Jaqua, (B) Doe, (B) Smith
MF's: (RM) Ljundberg, (LM) Naissey, (CM) Evans, (CM) Victorine, (B) Phelan
D's: (LB) Randolph, (LCB) Sturgis, (RCB) Wahl, (RB) Prideaux
K's: Keller, TBD

Jaqua as target forward with LeToux behind him. Doe/Johann Smith give burner speed off the bench. Naissey and Freddie on the wings with Evans/Victorine pairing in the middle. Phelan can provide cover as well in central mid if they wanted to use 3 CMs or as sub. Randolph gives speed down flank and left-footed service. Sturgis is lefty and good distribution from central defense. Wahl is solid, young player who can push forward on set pieces. Prideaux wants to go home and provides veteran leadership/stability at RB. Looks to me like a better side than the one selected but that's just my $.02

Posted by: voetbol07 | November 26, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

* should be Nyassi, not Naissey...my bad

Posted by: voetbol07 | November 26, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Pretty solid group when combined with the players they've already signed (Keller, Ljunberg, Le Toux, Nyassi).

Seattle's midfield looks pretty stocked, they've got some good attacking options, and have Keller minding the net. The Sounders will need to sign / trade for some defenders, but overall I think they'll be surprisingly competitive.

Posted by: noptov | November 26, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Seattle also has their former GK from USL.

Posted by: alecw81 | November 26, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Because of the smaller rosters, each team will lose at least four players, and more if new draftees/signees displace players already on the roster. Seattle should be inundated with requests for tryouts.

Posted by: b18bolo | November 26, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

For salary cap purposes do you use base salary or total compensation?

Going off of total compensation in 2008: Brad Evans (33k), Nate Jacqua (174.1k), Stephen King (17.7k), Jeff Parke (58.7k), James Riley (33k), Khano Smith (46.3k), Jarrod Smith (33k), Sturgis (108k), Vagenas (144k), Wahl (33k)
Total: ~680.3k (810k with Nyassi and Le Toux)

Depending on how much Keller signed for, Seattle should have a fair amount of room to pursue players.

Posted by: noptov | November 26, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

I'd give Seattle a B-. A couple of questionable picks and little drafted of trade value.

Evans is great cap value and good upside. Sturgis could be a huge steal if healthy. Parke was a risky pick but the best option from NY. Even if he goes abroad, he could return in a year or two. Jaqua was a done deal and will be useful.

Seattle went with cheap options and should have plenty of cap room to buy a few more starters. I think Seattle drafted to keep players, but even so half this list will likely be elsewhere next March.

Stephen King is a decent role player with some upside. Riley is a borderline starter and likely always will be. Wahl is a passable centerback with some upside but probably not as good as he looked playing alongside Conrad. These picks build for the future though I'll disagree with picking Riley and question passing up the likes of Pappa (even though I did half-way call the King pick).

Khano Smith was a popular prediction. He had great potential and at times looks like a worldbeater. But at 26 years old he's not getting much better. He's useful in the right system. I suppose he fits pretty good playing Sigi-ball.

The two bewildering picks are Vagenas and Jarrod Smith. Vagenas isn't good cap value and is a limited player that Sigi likes. I'm still waiting for confirmation that there was a mixup and Seattle actually selected Johann Smith.

I get passing on DC and Chivas. Pitchkolan is proven starting quality and great cap value. I'd pick him any day over Riley. Seattle must be confident Parke will sign. Colorado has some underrated young talent like DiRaimondo, Harvey, and Keel. Dalby was a Sigi-favorite. Seattle took cheap guys that can contribute in 2008, understandable. Vagenas and Jarrod Smith are still shocking picks.

Posted by: undrafted | November 26, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I know of at least one Revs' supporter who will be happy that Khano is heading West.

Really, what he was good at was quick acceleration down the left followed by a mis-struck cross.

Posted by: seahawkdad | November 26, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Alec, as far as I know Seattle has not signed any keeper other than Keller. Please deal in fact and not conjecture.

Three of the four teams that didn't lose a player didn't make the playoffs. Its not that surprising DC did not lose anyone.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | November 26, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised they passed up young guys with bags of individual skill who just need seasoning to become a full time starters: Manzonelli & Johann Smith. They are going to suck like RSL before Kreis took over and revamped the entire squad.

Posted by: Charisma_Man | November 26, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Evans and Jaqua are good pickups, but why Khano Smith? Glad DC did not lose anyone.

Posted by: Pedalada | November 26, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

the Sounders USL keeper will be the cheap backup to Keller. Everyone in MLS knew it so I guess Seattle didn't want to risk picking an expensive GK to trade.

Khano Smith is in the mold of Ezra Hendrickson. Sigi has always liked fast guys on the flanks and must see some potential in Khano. Khano had a late start to pro soccer but now at 26 is doubtful to fulfill his natural potential. As long as some defensive help is programmed into the system to cover for him, Khano is dangerous. His crossing and decisions are inconsistent. NE didn't have too much else offered up, but I'd have easily gone with Badilla despite a rough 2008. He's a proven player, just not comfortable in MLS yet.

Posted by: undrafted | November 26, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Not sure I agree with the criticism about Jacqua. They got him for nothing, though there was some opportunity cost. You're talking about a possible trade. Perhaps they could trade for someone else more cheaply? In which case, the opportunity cost would have been higher to go the other way.

As I wrote above, I'm perplexed by the Jarrod Smith pick. I guessed that it was between Johann Smith and Hunter Freeman. I thought Randolph would have been a good pick from the Gals, though I decided that they would probably get a free pass from Seattle. Vagenas a little surprising, but he's not using a walker yet.

I think they've got a good core of young American talent. It remains to be seen what they bring in from the international transfer market.

Posted by: fischy | November 26, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Freeman has already signed in Scandinavia.

Jaqua wasn't a bad pick, but Ashe or Barrett might have been better picks (especially considering cap concerns).

Posted by: undrafted | November 26, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

That's why I had Ashe slotted to go to Seattle in my pick -- but if they think they can afford Jacqua, he makes sense. Ljundberg and he might make a strong combination.

Posted by: fischy | November 26, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

My list, granted would exhausted the Sounder's salary cap, would include the following:

Tom McManus_ COL
Pat Noonan_CMB
Johann Smith_ TOR
Marco Pablo Pappa_ CHI
Mauricio Castro_ NE
Aaron Pitchkolan_ DAL
Wade Barrett_ HOU
Tyson Wahl_ KC
Diego Jimenez_ NYB
Ian Joy_ RSL

All but one are under thirty and all have started several game this past season. You have a lock down LB on Barret, three good to solid CBs in Diego, Tyson, and Aaron ( who can play a little DMF, very good wingers in Marco and Mauricio, and solid strikers in Pat and Tom with Johann an upcoming young striker (who can play a little winger). Add these player to the signed Sounder players and the Sounders would be competitive next season.

Posted by: ltraub1 | November 26, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Though not as sexy, isn't the waiver draft today?

Any chance we get a list of selections and waivers?

Posted by: TrueCrew | November 26, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Surprised that they didn't pick Prideaux and disappointed for him that he isn't going to make it back to Seattle this round. Would have thought that a strong vetern defender would have been desireable - particulary given the Sturgis injury issues. Also a bit surprised on the Parke selection as he will do everything he can to get to Europe.

Posted by: Beckster1 | November 26, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

The only one picked in the waiver draft was Mike Petke from Colorado to the PinkCows; probably to fill in the hole from Parke.

Posted by: KHSpartan11 | November 26, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Just curious. If Vide was still on the developmental roster, as I last thought he was...Wasn't he not available? Giving some weight to the idea that DCU really did have him in their future plans?
Or am I missing something?

Posted by: madryan | November 26, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

7/10 here. I missed on Vagenas, Jarrod Smith, and King. I think Seattle did an OK job here, taking Evans, Jaqua, Parke, Sturgis, and Wahl. All 5 of them are good enough to start for quality MLS teams (ignoring the injury to Sturgis and the possibility of Parke going abroad). The pick of Jarrod Smith isn't that puzzling, though if you told me that only 1 non-playoff team would have lost someone, Toronto would not have been my guess. He's a decent enough player to have off the bench to play wide or up front. The one that really makes no sense is Vagenas, who couldn't get a game ahead of stiffs like Pires and Franchino. One of the biggest reasons LA was so awful was their worst-in-MLS central midfield, and Vagenas was 2nd choice there. It's not that he's too old, it's that he's just not good enough. It's a bizarre and completely wasted pick, when you consider that they could have taken someone as trade bait or picked a young player with potential for more. Perhaps they think LA will trade them to retain their longest-tenured player, but I think that's as likely as DC signing me tomorrow. Arena surely doesn't care about that one bit.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 26, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

After Jack Stewart, who is no longer in the league - quite understandably, Riley is the worst defender I've seen. I'm shocked that Seattle took him. DCU - Seattle matches are going to be fun.

Posted by: mmathai1 | November 27, 2008 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Undrafted, I'm confused by your mentioning of "Sigi" in relation to Seattle and Khano Smith. Did I miss something, and has he gone from Columbus to Seattle in the last 5 days.

What a lot of blog posters miss about a player like Khano Smith is that he brings a lot of fire and intensity to a team like the Revs.

Why don't Seattle have a head coach in place when they're making very significant personnel decisions.

I also find it interesting to read about MLS players who are not quite all-stars demanding to be traded to a geographic area to be closer to where they grew up. I can understand a player telling mgmt that they'd like to be traded, but if they are truly making a demand, they need to back it up (e.g. not resign with the league or retire) if their needs aren't met.

Posted by: billindmd | November 27, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I can see a certain well-traveled Galaxy reject turning his odyssey through soccer into a one-man play.

The Vagenas Monologues.

Sank you, I'll be here all ze veek.

Posted by: bs2004 | December 1, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

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