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USA-MEX in Columbus

It's official: Feb. 11, World Cup qualifier, final-round opener. Brrrrrr.

Read about it here.

Continue to ignore reports of the game being played in Salt Lake City.

Whatcha think?

By Steve Goff  |  December 16, 2008; 6:13 PM ET
Categories:  Mexico , U.S. men's national team  
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Comments

Easier to get to Cowlumbus than to Salt Lake.....

Posted by: fentysupporter | December 16, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Smart choice.

Posted by: DemonJuice | December 16, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

It'll look great on TV. But, seriously folks -- the US has really gotten into the Mexican players' heads. This will feed into that...

Posted by: fischy | December 16, 2008 6:46 PM | Report abuse

Columbus has to have a better climate than SLC, no??? By a degree or 2? Less chance of a wall of snow, maybe?

Posted by: JkR- | December 16, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Average temperatures for February 11:

Columbus: 40
SLC: 45

Amount of participation during February:

Columbus: 2.07 inches
SLC: 1.22 inches

Has nothing to do with weather, everything to do with USSF hinting it will be in SLC to force Columbus' hand. If there are other options, you can't lowball anymore.

Posted by: cashable | December 16, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Perfect choice. Let's hope for freezing temps, lots of USA fans and the Mexican players continued lack of confidence for this venue.

Posted by: Beckster1 | December 16, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow... I might just go to this game. Not that far from Chicago.

Posted by: Modibo | December 16, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Great choice. I'll never forget Josh Wolfe's brilliant goal and assist last time. Hope it snows.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | December 16, 2008 8:43 PM | Report abuse

A pity, really. Been there, done that. No imagination from the USSF. It is almost like they are using Columbus as a crutch at this stage.

Are they really concerned that they wouldn't sell out other venues? Puh-leeze!

After a decade of building soccer specific stadia, they couldn't find another one?

Worse, rather than taking advantage of moving this match into a large market with a state of the art stadium, they go back to the original erector set.

Bottom line, what a wasted opportunity.

Instead of showing strength, they display weakness to our adversaries.

Posted by: Fight4FifthStar | December 16, 2008 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Good choice.

Until Mexico wins one in Columbus, keep it there.

What is all this dumb crutch talk?

Is Mexico using Azteca as a crutch? Should they move it? Of course not.

Posted by: TrueCrew | December 16, 2008 9:10 PM | Report abuse

EXCELLENT!

Captain Morgan will be happy!

Posted by: Barracudas | December 16, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Great. Who doesn't want to go to Columbus for their birthday?

Posted by: sitruc | December 16, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

May I suggest Fargo? High temp last Feb 11 was 4F, with a low of -12F. Now that's a home field advantage. We'd probably draw better, too.

Posted by: bdwooton | December 16, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

its only a 8hr drive from Syracuse to Columbus. Me and my friends will be doing the long drive of 90w 271s 71s.


Perfect venue as it is in the Mexicans heads.

Bob Bradly, fly to German and get Subotics in the squad. thank you.

Posted by: grubbsbl | December 16, 2008 10:24 PM | Report abuse

That was the right decision.

1. Columbus feeds our confidence and has to have at least some impact on the Tri's (just like Azteca does on us).

2. What I'm surprized NO-ONE has mentioned is that RSL is at altitude. For a Mexican side used to playing games at Azteca, that means RSL actually plays to their strength. Even if we spend a week training in SLC, we still won't be as altitude ready as the Mexicans. So effectively that meant it was between Seattle or Columbus. No choice there--I'll go with ice and maybe snow and natural grass and a fan base that has earned this match the hard way--by being a proven advantage to the US in the past.

Posted by: JoeW1 | December 16, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

That was a short vacation Goff...miss us so soon?

Posted by: DonDraper | December 16, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

This was a complete no-brainer. Forget the temperature and altitude arguments, this is all a mental thing. It's a time honored tradition for us to beat Mexico in Columbus.

Posted by: DCUMD | December 16, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Amount of participation during February:

Columbus: 2.07 inches
SLC: 1.22 inches

Posted by: cashable | December 16, 2008 7:20 PM

I'll do you one better from my perspective.

Amount of participation in-

Columbus-100%.
Salt Lake City-0%.

Thx,

Jay!

Smiley!

Posted by: jayrockers | December 16, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Fight4FifthStar:

No disrespect, but that's going to be an unpopular argument. As for the specific charges...

- Columbus as a crutch? I prefer to look at it as the beginning of a tradition. After years of watching our opponents force us to play in whatever the least pleasant stadium (due to weather, altitude, pollution, or fans that throw coins/batteries/bags of urine), is it really a crutch to make Mexico play in the cold?

- I don't think there is any concern about selling out. You could sell USA-Mexico out all over the country, and not just at MLS grounds. The idea, though, is to sell out to a largely pro-US crowd. If the USSF was concerned about ticket sales that much, they'd hold the game at the Rose Bowl. The priority is to win the game.

- I'm guessing the state of the art stadium you're talking about is Rio Tinto? Salt Lake City is not a large market. The metro population of SLC is just under 1.1 million. Columbus has a metro population of 1.8 million, or roughly 64% more people. If you meant Chicago, Dallas, or LA (actual big markets with new or new-ish stadia), we might as well play the game across the border.

- Showing strength? How we "show strength" to Mexico is to keep beating them in qualifying, not by playing them in various locations.

Columbus has proven to be the best venue this fixture has ever been played in. I think it's the correct move.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | December 16, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Columbus is within a day's drive of roughly 2/3 of the US population. Columbus is not at altitude. There is s track record there of garnering a pro-US crowd. Insofar as the qualifying match is concerned, there is nothing but upside for the US.

Posted by: Ron16 | December 17, 2008 6:56 AM | Report abuse

@Ron16: stop using facts to bolster your argument.

@JoeW1: Columbus might be a psychological advantage for us because of our record there. Azteca is an advantage for El Tri because of altitude and air quality.

I agree with this choice. We need a solidly pro-US crowd (esp. to open our hex play) and a more accessible city is preferable.

Posted by: mmathai1 | December 17, 2008 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Columbus is a solid choice.

Posted by: mcontento | December 17, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

This is a good opportunity to put Mexico on their heels after the first 6-agonal match. In my world, a loss would shred their confidence in themselves and their coach, Sven would be fired, Mexico would lose subsequent matches to the US, Costa Rica, and T&T, and fail to qualify for 2010.

Note that I have no animosity to the country of Mexico or its people; only to the vile, repulsive, evil thugs of el equipo nacional.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Good choice.

Until Mexico wins one in Columbus, keep it there.

What is all this dumb crutch talk?

Is Mexico using Azteca as a crutch? Should they move it? Of course not.


Posted by: TrueCrew | December 16, 2008 9:10 PM
-------------------------------------------
Props TC.
If it ain't broke then why fix it?

Posted by: yankiboy | December 17, 2008 9:09 AM | Report abuse

Julia Roberts plays soccer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/16/AR2008121602484.html

No, not that Julia Roberts. This one is from MD and is committed to UVA.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

At this point, US soccer popularity in America is strong enough that the USSF could have confidence in moving this game to a major market, while being able to screen ticket sales AND still sellout a big stadium. It could have been a major boost to US Soccer as a whole to have this game played in a big market.

If you want to use the "win at all costs, we have the mental edge in Columbus, better safe than sorry" argument, fine. Can't really argue with that. But I would have loved to see this game played elsewhere.

Posted by: psps23 | December 17, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

sorry...off topic. goff, have you seen this clip that's making the rounds on the internet? for a good laugh, check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSyhDbV9wHo

Posted by: birdynumnum | December 17, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

"At this point, US soccer popularity in America is strong enough that the USSF could have confidence in moving this game to a major market, while being able to screen ticket sales AND still sellout a big stadium"

Screening ticket sales does not work. USSF tried this several years ago for a WCQ at RFK. They were able to prevent the Honduran ambassador from buying a ticket, but the Hondurans far outnumbered Americans in the seats.

Sellouts in a big stadium are driven by fans of the opposing CONCACAF team.

I would like to see the day when 60,000 US fans fill a stadium for a match against Mexico or El Salvador.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Having lived in other CONCACAF countries, where I've attended USMNT qualifiers, I am pleased to see Columbus as the site. I wouldn't mind Anchorage for the next one. Seattle is good too, thanks to the cold, misty rain. It is small of me, but I can't wait to go check out what is being said on the Spanish-language sites.

Posted by: troy6 | December 17, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Having lived in other CONCACAF countries, where I've attended USMNT qualifiers, I am pleased to see Columbus as the site. I wouldn't mind Anchorage for the next one. Seattle is good too, thanks to the cold, misty rain. It is small of me, but I can't wait to go check out what is being said on the Spanish-language sites.

Posted by: troy6 | December 17, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Ticket "screening" will only work when it's presented as a security, not point of sale, issue. Frankly, it's not a major security concern here. Mixed crowds tend to get along fairly well at US soccer matches - and that's a good thing. But you'll never get strict segregation unless security/police enforce it, making it a stadium violation to wear colors or support the away team in home areas.

That's how it is in a lot of the world nowadays. Not saying it's a bad thing at all that we don't have those policies, just makes that definition between large home section and small away tougher. That and Americans not liking soccer ;-)

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

hmmm...WaPo seems to be having trouble accepting comments. (this is in lieu of reposting the same one before, which was itself an effort just to get the page to update. slow day at work.)

Posted by: troy6 | December 17, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Good looking bidynumnum! I've been looking for some new moves and thanks to you I think I've found em...

Posted by: DadRyan | December 17, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Also! Is the US vs China game being broadcast anywhere? Just seeing a match tracker at US soccer... Anyone know?
thanks

Posted by: DadRyan | December 17, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Any idea when tix will be available? And will the Post be sponsoring a pre or post match party for those of us coming in from around the country?

Posted by: hacksaw | December 17, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@ I270Exit1
"Screening ticket sales does not work. USSF tried this several years ago for a WCQ at RFK. They were able to prevent the Honduran ambassador from buying a ticket, but the Hondurans far outnumbered Americans in the seats."


The Honduran numbers did NOT far outnumber the gringos, but the volume of their support per person was far greater than our US fans, many of whom sat on their hands and didn't make much use of their larynx.

Perhaps in Columbus with Crew supporters finding their voice this year, traveling US supporters may actually make some supporting noise.

Posted by: GrillMaster | December 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Just to set everyone up to be annoyed, there's a full slate of college basketball on ESPN/ESPN2 that night (2/11) -- including Carolina v Duke. US-Mexico will probably be shown on Classic.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

College basketball???

There's only 95 days left until the start of the season. United's season.

Posted by: Curious99 | December 17, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh Kev29. You know us too well. We'll complain about it now and again in February.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Just to set everyone up to be annoyed, there's a full slate of college basketball on ESPN/ESPN2 that night (2/11) -- including Carolina v Duke. US-Mexico will probably be shown on Classic.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 12:13 PM

------------------------------------------

The current schedule has the game live at 11 p.m. eastern on ESPN2. I am sure that's a placeholder so they may move some hoop games around or put it live on Classic, then re-run it on the Deuce at 11.

Posted by: beach3 | December 17, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

grillmaster wrote:
"The Honduran numbers did NOT far outnumber the gringos, but the volume of their support per person was far greater than our US fans, many of whom sat on their hands and didn't make much use of their larynx."

As some one that was at this match, the entire upper level was blue and white, as was pockets of the lower level. Now...i dont know if they FAR out numbered US supporters, but they there were more honduran supporters than US supporters. Also...I stood and cheered the entire time i was in the stadium, as did everyone else. No one sat down durring that match. That game was the end of important qualifiers at RFK. now we will only get the relativily meaningless games like Panama and Cuba. Hopefully we will get the T&T game, which should be a decent match.
Columbus is the best place for the Mex game. They hate the cold, and the pro US supporters are right on top of them.
See you in Columbus!!

Posted by: jjfooty | December 17, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

"The Honduran numbers did NOT far outnumber the gringos"

Ahhh, this old chestnut. It's only been argued about for 7 years now!

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE US WOMEN'S MATCH IS BEING TELEVISED? OR STREAMING SOMEWHERE?

Posted by: DadRyan | December 17, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

THE USSF WEBSITE DOES NOT SHOW THIS MATCH ON THEIR TV SCHEDULE

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

RIGHT. SOMEONE HAS GOT TO BE TAPING THE THING! LOCAL SPORTS IN DETROIT?
I mean they surely can't be devoting as much time to their Lions as we are wasting on the Deadskins right here.

Posted by: DadRyan | December 17, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

LOUD NOISES!

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

US women are playing?

Posted by: Reignking | December 17, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

US women are playing?

Posted by: Reignking | December 17, 2008 3:57 PM

Apparently, do you know if it's going to be televised?

;-)

Posted by: Kev29 | December 17, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

If a tree falls in the woods...

Posted by: Reignking | December 17, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Guzan getting lit up today...

Posted by: Reignking | December 17, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Or if an American abroad rides the pine...
I know it's just a friendly man, but come on.
Watching the replay of Man-U/Spurs was helpful though...:-)
I think I'll live without USA/China.
Are the muppets on tonight?

Posted by: DadRyan | December 17, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I'M YELLING AT YOU GUYS SO I DON'T HAVE TO YELL AT THE TV TONIGHT.

Posted by: joedoc1 | December 17, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

When is it US or MLS would put fans on designated areas? That would take care of opponent fans over US fans. Plus it is much more entertaining than mixed up like garbage disposal.

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | December 17, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

would someone translate the previous post for me please?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 17, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

We have nothing to talk about, and this is the internet. It's time to begin wild speculation.

Would anyone object to seeing MLS teams go for the following players:

Costa Rica - Celso Borges, Walter Centeno, Alejandro Alpizar (Saprissa), Wardy Alfaro (Alajuelense)
Honduras - Marvin Chavez (Marathon), Hendry Thomas, Ramiro Bruschi (Olimpia)
USL - Osvaldo Alonso (Charleston), Avery John (Miami), Tony Donatelli, Nevio Pizzolito, Sandro Grande, Leonardo Di Lorenzo (Montreal), Edwin Miranda, John Krause, Osei Telesford, Jonathan Steele (Puerto Rico)
Panama - Luis Moreno (Tauro), Manuel Torres, Juan Ramon Solis (San Francisco)
El Salvador - Alfredo Pacheco (CD F.A.S.), Patricio Barroche (Firpo)
T&T - Kerry Baptiste, Gregory Richardson (Joe Public)

I ask because, since MLS clubs can't afford top Mexican league players without making them DPs (and, in most cases, they won't have the off-field cache to make it worthwhile), these are among the best CONCACAF players that I could think of within MLS's price range that also meet the playing standard.

I have begun to think MLS needs to become more aggressive in pursuing the best of CONCACAF in an effort to stave off the talent dilution that comes when expansion happens at a faster rate than the salary cap goes up. It doesn't hurt that this offseason may see more good players leave MLS than usual. Networks in South America and the beginnings of a connection in Africa through Patrick McCabe and Mamadou Diallo are all well and good, but these CONCACAF players have proven to be MLS quality in competitions MLS teams engage in (CCL, USOC). If MLS wants to get closer to Mexico in terms of quality, doesn't it make sense to become the major destination for top CONCACAF players (as Mexican clubs look almost exclusively to South America instead)?

Any other CONCACAF players out there that MLS should look at?

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | December 17, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Didn't I read about Alonso from Charleston getting some attention from Seattle? Think Steve actually mentioned it a minute ago...
Wish I had the television or clairvoyance required to have scouted CONCACAF like Chest has... Unfortunately my wife says upgrading to the box is out of our price range:-/
I'll be looking for invites to bring over Heineken Mini-Kegs to catch some crucial matches in 2009. Open your hearts and homes in these trying times ahead folks. We're all gonna need it.
Maybe we'll get lucky and we won't have comcast pull the rug out from under us to simulcast Redskins preseason...

Posted by: DadRyan | December 18, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Chest,

I have a problem with your post. You state an issue for discussion and then follow it with carefully selected examples and a reasoned analysis. You leave little room for speculation and hyperbole. I would like to be on your thesis committee, it would be easy reading.

I don't know about most of the players you list, but Richardson (Joe Public) impressed me in the first JP-NE match. I did read somewhere on the interspacepages that an English club was interested in him. Given your thesis, parternships between MLS teams and CONCACAF teams makes sense in terms of finding talent, especially since the reserve division no longer exists.

How does the rest of CONCACAF feel about MLS? If we lose our home-grown talent to the scanleagues, we probably don't have a good reputation. I would suspect that, for young, especially Caribbean talent, NCAA is attractive, but they would not rate MLS as big on their career choices.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 18, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of MLS... The DCU toddler jerseys are awesome. The home jersey arrived yesterday, and I know some little kid that's going to be pretty stoked to be rocking the same shirt her dad is in 2009!
Vamos United!

Posted by: DadRyan | December 18, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Anyone get up to watch the World Club Championship this morning?

I watched the 2nd half as Man U beat Gamba Osaka 5-3. Pretty entertaining but not really that close. Gamba cut it to 2-1 in the 2nd half seconds after Rooney subbed on. But the "English Chad Barrett" scored seconds after the next kickoff and Man U got 2 more within the next few minutes. Gamba then got a few late goals to make it more respectable. The last 6 goals of the game were scored in about the last 15 minutes.

Endo from Gamba Osaka is a great freekick threat.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | December 18, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Man U will face LDU Quito in the final on FSC at 530 Sunday morning. For those who want to pull an all-nighter the 3rd place game between Pachuca and Gamba Osaka will precede it at 230 am.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | December 18, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Nice thing about the World Club Championship is that it is truly a world competition these days. I always chuckle when the Giants, Celtics, or Phillies are referred to as the "World" Champions.

The other nice thing is that my Club are hopefully going to win the thing.

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | December 18, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

How dare you question the Phillies' supremacy!

Posted by: Reignking | December 18, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Nice thing about the World Club Championship is that it is truly a world competition these days.

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | December 18, 2008 11:58 AM

But we still end up with the Libertadores winner v the European Cup holder. No change there. Should be a decent match though, we'll see if Quito can keep the magic going.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 18, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

LI LI LI, GA GA GA

UNI VERSI TARIA!!

GO LDU!!

Posted by: delantero | December 18, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Chest Rockwell,

That's a good list. I like that list.

Kasper/Payne/Soehn,

What he said.

Posted by: B_A_ | December 18, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@Reignking: caught Chuck on DVR last night. Brilliant! My line of the season, though, is from last week: "The Vic can take a hit." Baldwin's great.

@Chest: I like the idea of gathering the top CONCACAF talent for MLS. Could the league then be in a better position to sell some of these players and use the money to keep others?

BTW, your Che comment made me laugh out loud!

@I270: would you edit the book I'm writing? "Great Right Wingers: The Conservative Case for Soccer."

Posted by: joedoc1 | December 18, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

I'd be happy to. Here's a chapter, plagiarized from Wikipedia:

"Beginning in 1936, [George H.W. Bush] attended Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts,where he held a large number of leadership positions including being the president of the senior class and secretary of the student council, president of the community fund-raising group, a member of the editorial board of the school newspaper, and captain of both the varsity baseball and soccer teams."

That was pre-Goldwater, so he may have been a central midfielder.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 18, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Whats the rumor going around that DC is gonna pick up the South Korean winger/striker?? Anyone got news on this?

Posted by: AnthonyTheGreat | December 18, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

The guy that crashed the car into Buy More was named Ned Ryerson -- same name as the insurance salesman in Groundhog Day ("Phil? Phil Connors?!?").

Posted by: Reignking | December 18, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Crap. La Liga. Sevilla out of the UEFA Cup. And it looks like Racing loses out on a tiebreaker to PSG. Depor and Valencia are still alive.

Posted by: Reignking | December 18, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Ack. Cafu to join an 8th division team in England, Garforth Town.

Posted by: Reignking | December 18, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

270:

It would all be well and good until I showed up to defend my thesis with a mace and a shield. Some lessons, I'll never learn.

I saw something a couple days ago linking Richardson to an anonymous French club. I suppose his ship has probably sailed if he's being linked with Europe multiple times.

How other CONCACAF nations feel about MLS is hard to gauge. However, the fact that our better players get sold to Scandinavia might work in our favor when it comes to the higher-end CONCACAF player. After all, those guys are going on to make $300-400K a year on teams they're capable of starting for. Proving yourself in MLS has shown to be a profitable endeavor, especially when compared to staying in one of the region's other domestic leagues.

Joe Doc:

Selling these players to keep others (I'd imagine this means the fringe US internationals that Scandinavia loves) is an angle I hadn't thought of, but I like it.

My original line of thinking was the talent dilution of adding another team combined with the drain of losing several top players on free transfers was creating a realistic threat of 2009's overall quality being lower than 2008's. To me, this seems like the most realistic way to replace that talent.

AnthonytheGreat:

All I've seen about Ahn is that he wants DP money, which he's not worth, and I believe MLS Rumors said he was headed to an Eastern conference team, which means he's headed to anywhere but an Eastern conference team.

Ahn plays the same kind of withdrawn forward role as Moreno. I'd say we are among the least likely MLS teams to sign him.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | December 18, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Nguyen to the V League? The only positive thing I can say is that everyone in Vietnam will pronounce his name properly.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/soccer/12/18/nguyen.vietnam/index.html


Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 18, 2008 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Chest_Rockwell!

Posted by: AnthonyTheGreat | December 18, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Dave Winfield and Randy Johnson, eat your hearts out.

http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/8961194?MSNHPHCP>1=39002

Posted by: SportzNut21 | December 18, 2008 7:20 PM | Report abuse

94 days to the first match.

Posted by: Curious99 | December 18, 2008 10:04 PM | Report abuse

270:

I saw that, and had to look into it. The whole thing just seems nuts, unless Nguyen really desperately wants to play in Vietnam (in which case, good luck to him).

The article on Randers' website says that he's on trial and that they won't stand in the way if he wants to move, but that the move is not certain yet.

Have any MLS teams taken a shot at getting Nguyen? Surely he has a better chance at following the Kenny Cooper path to European success than playing in Vietnam. I'm not going to pretend I know anything about the V League, but with no notable players abroad and their national team not even making the final round of Asian qualifying, it can't be that good. Are the wages from Hoang Anh Gia Lai more than MLS teams would be willing to spend? Or maybe it's the Arsenal connection that has him interested?

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | December 18, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Chelsea vs. Juventus
Viillarreal vs. Panthaikos
Sporting Lisbon vs. Bayern Munich
Club Atletico vs. Porto
Lyon vs. Barcelona
Real Madrid vs. Liverpool
Arsenal vs. AS Roma
Inter Milan vs. Man U

Posted by: tfoisie | December 19, 2008 6:27 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure what Nguyen's motive is, I just hope he doesn't try to be Maradonesque and come back with a tattoo of Ho Chi Minh.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 19, 2008 8:30 AM | Report abuse

If that's the draw for Champions League, daddy like!
At least we'll probably see some Italian clubs on ESPN2 in the next round:-)
Chelsea/Juventes sounds awesome.

Posted by: DadRyan | December 19, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Saturday's TV schedule:
http://www.livesoccertv.com/schedules/2008-12-20/

Sunday's TV schedule:
http://www.livesoccertv.com/schedules/2008-12-21/

All matches are included, whether live or re-broadcast, US or foreign TV, interesting or not.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 19, 2008 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Fossil evidence for a new species, the Dadryanosaurus.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/18/AR2008121804226.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Paleontologists believe this species was a bipedal herbivore, but are confounded by the large lung capacity and airways. They also describe the intraspecies color variation, with the torsos of the adult male showing a first, second, and even third color.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 19, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

UEFA Cup Draw - Round of 32

Paris St Germain v Wolfsburg
FC Copenhagen v Manchester City
NEC Nijmegen v Hamburg
Sampdoria v Metalist
Braga v Standard Liege
Aston Villa v CSKA Moscow
Lech Poznan v Udinese
Olympiacos v St Etienne
Fiorentina v Ajax
AaB Aalborg v Deportivo La Coruna
Werder Bremen v AC Milan
Bordeaux v Galatasaray
Dynamo Kiev v Valencia
Zenit St Petersburg v Stuttgart
Marseille v Twente
Shakhtar v Tottenham

# First legs to be played February 18/19.
# Second legs to be played February 26.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 19, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

@Curious: need an update...

Posted by: joedoc1 | December 19, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Here's a link to Seattle Soccer Show podcast talking with their new coach and FO dudes. Something to listen to for a second, intro music and host bring back some memories.
http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/SEATTLE-WA/KJR-AM/soccertalk_081217.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=SEATTLE-WA&NG_FORMAT=sports&SITE_ID=645&STATION_ID=KJR-AM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Matt_Gaschk&PCAST_CAT=Entertainment&PCAST_TITLE=Seattle_Soccer_Show
On a side note does anyone else think that it's kind of amazing that Collabro is going to be the voice of the Sounders now that the Sonics have left town?

Posted by: DadRyan | December 19, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

All very believable I-270, just didn't like the part about the mother running around "nourishing" herself and/or finding other mates...
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Naaaahhh.

Posted by: DadRyan | December 19, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

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