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DCU Stadium Drama Continues

In the wake of the Poplar Point mess, Prince George's County in Maryland remains very much interested in a D.C. United stadium -- although, in these difficult economic times, public funds for infrastructure and other considerations are scarce. Read about it here. DCU investors have told the Insider that the Greenbelt site is no longer viable and that other locations are being considered. As we reported a few weeks ago, United is close to reaching a deal with a PG County hotel to host visiting teams during the MLS season. In the past, teams have stayed in Arlington and the District.

By Steve Goff  |  February 5, 2009; 11:56 AM ET
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Well, a neo-Keynsian would argue that infrastructure spending ought to expand...WE MUST BUILD MORE SSS!!!

Posted by: arswift24 | February 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

No surprise. Almost everyone will have to wait out this recession.

Posted by: Reignking | February 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

From the article: "I would love to see D.C. United come," Campos said. "They're the most successful D.C. sports team we have — next to the Caps."

Ok, DEFINE success and in what ways the Caps are more successful!?!

Posted by: 22206no1 | February 5, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Wakey wakey, eggs and bac-ey!

Just kidding, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

So, apparently we're moving forward as if nothing happened last year... 2008, the year that never was. Unfortunately, we've got that stupid US Open Cup trophey to remind us that 2008 did exist. But right now, there's little evidence anything actually happened last year.

Posted by: TCompton | February 5, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

What's the over-under on the chances of McFarlane no longer being DCU's majority owner by the end of this year?

Posted by: Juan-John | February 5, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

What's the over-under on the chances of McFarlane no longer being DCU's majority owner by the end of this year?

Posted by: Juan-John | February 5, 2009 12:25 PM

I just can't see this being resolved with MacFarlane at the helm. He's just not going to make enough collateral development cash to find a stadium deal that is "viable".

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Where is Christian Laettner to save us from our horrible fate?

Posted by: Hoost | February 5, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@Hoost: I heard that faint cry emanating from Littlejohn Coliseum last night!!

Re - the Greenbelt site no longer being viable: Noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Re - a stadium being built in PG with state or local $$ contribution: Not anytime soon.

Posted by: GreenbeltUnited | February 5, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm - well without trying to infuriate the Maryland fans - Greenbelt was never going to be viable because driving and Metro transfers for the VA folks is an UNacceptable option.

PG County - not crazy about it - but not completely put off by it.

Poplar Point - from my talks with Clark folk - will never been more than the vacant lot it is right now if DC doesn't put something over there to attract people to the region. No - another Best Buy/Target/etc alone isn't going to do it. A stadium was the best option to provide a consistent group of money traveling over that part of the river.

I still think Poplar Point happens. This East Capitol Hill stuff that Abdo and Urban America are all bidding on will be the precursor to the Redskins stadium over there. And why not allow Clark with Victor and Will to go in on a JV with Poplar Point to build a home for DCU and a place that gives Ward 8 a slice of the pie and allows DCU to own up to the promises they've mad to the residents and children over there and bring the world's game to them.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | February 5, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If Greenbelt is dead, where else can they go and still maintain Metro access?

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | February 5, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm - well without trying to infuriate the Maryland fans - Greenbelt was never going to be viable because driving and Metro transfers for the VA folks is an UNacceptable option.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | February 5, 2009 12:55 PM

I'm pretty sure that the "no longer viable" comment comes from logistical discussions with the County and developers of the Greenbelt Station project. Not with thoughts of Metro transfers and driving distance for Virginians.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Loudoun United now!


er, wait, maybe,


Reston United now!

We'll have that Metro line up before you can say Bob's yer uncle! 20 years, tops....

Posted by: JkR- | February 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Potomac Yard in Alexandria, anyone? I'd rather go to games at this location than Greenbelt or New Carrollton, even though I don't live in Virginia.

Posted by: SSMD1 | February 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Chest - I think I remember hearing a potential development site near New Carrollton on the Metro being an option for PG. There is land over there and it could be an easier commute than Greenbelt - Orange Line, Amtrack, MARC, 50, Beltway - from that perspective it might not be a bad spot.

Posted by: timc3 | February 5, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

@Kev29,

True - money is the forefront of the decision.

I just can't let go of Poplar Point. I should be renewing my tickets next year and picking out seats in our NEW HOME. And each day that passes, I feel I'll never see it - or the version I see of it will be new and it won't be RFK and it won't be what I imagine Poplar Point to be and I'll just be disappointed. Especially if something gets built there that is never successful is a gross misuse of the available space.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | February 5, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I vaguely remember talk a while back about RFK only being a viable home for DCU for a few more years (three or four). I don't know if it had to do with the stadium lease or the DC Sports & Entertainment group or something else.

In any event, with a new stadium at least three years out (maybe 50 years), what happens if RFK is no longer viable. Where would DCU play its home games? UMD, Soccer Plex, FedEx? What would be the fall-back plan if RFK was no longer inhabitable?

Posted by: therealfootball | February 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I still have this gut feeling that DC will come around and give United a shot with Poplar Point. With all of the new infrastructure government funds being thrown around, you think would we could get this project "shovel ready" in time to cash in, especially after Clark dropped the ball. The most frusturating thing is the amount of time it is taking to make a GD decision and the apparent lack of desire on the owners' part to work out a deal with the district. I know they've been burned once (at least) before, but you still have to exhaust all of your options and keep hope alive!

Posted by: The_Dude_Abides1 | February 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I think DCU always preferred the New Carrolton site because of the perceived development potential. The Amtrak location would make it appealing for Philly and NJ/NY fans, but that's hardly a reason to consider it. It has to work for DCU fans, and it has to work as a development site. I wonder about the demand for commercial or residential development there. I suppose the Beltway/Amtrak location might be appealing for certain multistate businesses, and might even be appealing for residential hotels. I don't know how many others would want to be out there.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

I imagine that DC is actually in a better position with respect to being able to help financially support a stadium project...so, I wouldn't give up on Poplar Point, or a new SSS at/adjacent to the RFK site.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

PG COUNTY UNITED!

Posted by: vmrg1974 | February 5, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

From the article: "I would love to see D.C. United come," Campos said. "They're the most successful D.C. sports team we have — next to the Caps."

Ok, DEFINE success and in what ways the Caps are more successful!?!

Posted by: 22206no1 | February 5, 2009 12:12 PM

I'm a huge caps fan, but I agree that the statement is completely false and ridiculous

Posted by: GoUnited | February 5, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but Ovechkin's the most dominating player DC's ever seen (not counting MJ, who was waayyy past his prime)

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

So, apparently we're moving forward as if nothing happened last year... 2008, the year that never was. Unfortunately, we've got that stupid US Open Cup trophey to remind us that 2008 did exist. But right now, there's little evidence anything actually happened last year.
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Um, because we won the U.S. Open Cup we qualified to play in the CONCACAF Champions Cup this year. So, it's not a stupid little cup after all,is it?

Posted by: Stevenho | February 5, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Potomac Yard in Alexandria, anyone? I'd rather go to games at this location than Greenbelt or New Carrollton, even though I don't live in Virginia.

Posted by: SSMD1 | February 5, 2009 1:04 PM
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Would have been a great idea. There is virtually none of that space that isn't built on at this point though... I guess you haven't been over that way in a while...

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Crystal City! The Government is bailing on all those ugly 70's buildings. It's a wasteland after 17:00. Tear two of them down and plunk a SSS right in the middle.

While you're at it tear down the underground CC mall too . .

Clarke owns half of the place anyways.

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

"I would love to see D.C. United come," Campos said. "They're the most successful D.C. sports team we have — next to the Caps."

D.C. United has more cups than the Capitals.

Posted by: redskinsux | February 5, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I double checked Google's image of the Pot Yard and it is very outdated. Open space that is in the photos is filled in with condos now.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

VBB:

Transfers? To get to Greenbelt from any and all VA Metro stops requires just 1 transfer at L'Enfant.

I'm all for Maryland vs. Virginia debates (for the record, Maryland:Rep. of Korea::Virginia:DPRK), but 1 transfer is really not that bad.

timc3:

I forgot about New Carrollton, which I'm blaming on lack of coffee.

Currently, New Carrollton is little more than the Metro and Amtrak station and some warehouses. It would take a lot to turn that into a destination, and with PG Plaza not too far away I wonder if it would be able to attract that many retailers. Obviously if they built some apartments or condos there, you'd have a built-in market, but I have the (admittedly baseless and ill-educated) suspicion that a couple hundred apartment units won't do the job.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | February 5, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Will the team take a second look at Reston now that the Silver Line is planned to come through there? Really anywhere along the Dulles Corridor (Tysons to the airport) could be viable if it is served by Metro. Poplar Point is still best, but I think it would be a tie for second between New Carrollton and somewhere on the new Silver Line. And with all the plans to redevelop Tysons, why not put it there? They key point is that so much time has passed that building along the Silver Line could now be a viable option. Not as good as Poplar Point's central location, but still Metro-accessible. (And by the way, I agree with SSMD1 that Potomac Yard would be ideal, but it's my understanding that land is not available).

Posted by: Pedalada | February 5, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Um, because we won the U.S. Open Cup we qualified to play in the CONCACAF Champions Cup this year. So, it's not a stupid little cup after all,is it?
Posted by: Stevenho | February 5, 2009 2:11 PM

DCU still has to play in to the tournament though. It's not an automatic berth to the group stage. the "Champions Cup" is no longer. It's just Champions League now.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I suppose the Beltway/Amtrak location might be appealing for certain multistate businesses, and might even be appealing for residential hotels. I don't know how many others would want to be out there.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 1:38 PM

Future (hopeful) developments with the Purple Line and MARC expansion make New Carrollton sweeter. And the transport links are great already (495/50/295 not far + public)

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

guys, Poplar Point isn't happening. and let me tell you why. it has nothing to do with government funding, nothing to do with environmental impact, nothing to do with development rights. it has everything to do with RFK and the Redskins. the DC Government has made little secret of the fact that they plan to bid to build a new stadium for the Skins on the RFK site (there's nowhere else, really) ready in about 2015. there's only one problem. DC doesn't own RFK and the surrounding lands, the Park Service does. As part of the lease, if there is no team as a primary tenant of the stadium for 12 months, it reverts back to the Feds. And the city will never get it back to build a stadium for the NFL. so DC will do everything possible, right now, to delay DCU moving anywhere.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | February 5, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

I see DCU is losing in the first half to a team recently relegated to the Danish second division, Vagisil Baldklub.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | February 5, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

The more reason to move DC United now...

Posted by: Barracudas | February 5, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of you political affiliation.... United has to get our new Prez on board. He shows an interest in sports, whether a PR scheme or not, and no better way to make us more accepted in the world than through the world's game! Staging games in a nice venue or RFK, where ever, will bring the world in. You heard it here first: Iran - USA friendly as a tune-up game in DC.

Posted by: inzzo79 | February 5, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

And half the ppl playing for DCU this game won't even be on our final roster. . . Alteast we are not losing to 16 year olds.

Posted by: mattgs84 | February 5, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the wildcard in all this is the Redskins, just like joshuao said. Getting the Deadskins back in DC would be a huge coup for the DC govt. DCU is nothing more than a stop gap.

That being said, there is no money for anything right now and soccer stadiums are sadly pretty low on the list of stimulus projects. I think RFK will be DC's home for at least five more years, maybe 10.

Also, if ownership really wanted an SSS, it would put more skin in the game. Right now, I see a whole of talk and much putting money where mouths are.

Posted by: therealfootball | February 5, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I see DCU is losing in the first half to a team recently relegated to the Danish second division, Vagisil Baldklub.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | February 5, 2009 2:32 PM
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LOL MJ! What? Did you follow my link to Kyle Twittering the game?
As long as we don't get beat by the US -17s 11-0 who cares? Is Ben Olsen playing the lone striker role? Do tell MJ, do tell!

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Why is DC United responsible for visiting teams accommodations? Don't other teams have access to travel web sites?

Posted by: Ron16 | February 5, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

PG county will be the kiss of death for DC United. The majority of the fan base is in NOVA and not going to head to PG county for many games. Crystal City or somewhere out the silver line would sell out consistently.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 5, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Dc down 3-0 at halftime in there friendly today

Posted by: BurchFan4 | February 5, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Currently, New Carrollton is little more than the Metro and Amtrak station and some warehouses. It would take a lot to turn that into a destination,
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What do we really need? Metro; easy in and out for autos; a place to park and drink beer and watch the next generation goof around with the ball before the game; inside some clean well-run concessions and 25,000 seats rising up at steep angles from an emerald field. That's all the destination we need, no?

Oh, and we need bike racks for dadryan.

New Carrolton won't be so bad, you'll see.

Posted by: OWNTF | February 5, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

PG county will be the kiss of death for DC United. The majority of the fan base is in NOVA and not going to head to PG county for many games. Crystal City or somewhere out the silver line would sell out consistently.

Posted by: restonhoops | February 5, 2009 2:58 PM

OK Merlin - wave your magic wand and make that happen.

VA is out. Negotiations are at least happening with PG County. And have you considered the fact that a stadium in Maryland would attract more fans from Montgomery/Howard/Anne Arundel/Baltimore Counties?

And if they build it in New Carrollton - it would be roughly ten minutes past RFK by car or Metro.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"As long as we don't get beat by the US -17s 11-0 who cares?"

You mean 1-0.

Soehn seems to care about winning this one as much as Osorio cared about winning yesterday. Three DC regulars on the field.

The first goals seem similar:

19′ U.S. GOAL. Against the run of play, the U.S. right back hits a cross that is actually perfectly placed for a shot. It sails over Cepero’s head and tucks into the back of the net. 1-0 U.S.

1-0 Vjele in the 17th. What looked to be a cross to two players on the back post drifted towards goal and over Kocic's head.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | February 5, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

we've got them right where we want them.

Posted by: stairs | February 5, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Dude! You are Twittering!

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Here's a link to an interesting article which includes comments made by Fenty about DCU and their stadium:

http://www.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20061031&content_id=77524&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103

Keep in mind he made these comments a week or so before his big mayoral election.

Maybe this post won't be deleted either, even though it is relevant to the discussion.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 5, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

2nd half just kicked. DCU lineup: Thorpe, Miller, Janicki, Mediate, Wallace; Khumalo, Vide, Jacobson, Barklage; N'Silu, Pontius.


3 Dutch team who's name I can't spell
1 United (Khumallo 49th)

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

3 Dutch team who's name I can't spell
1 United (Khumallo 49th)

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2009 3:19 PM
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You can't spell it because they're Danish.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 5, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

We will be at RFK for the next 10 years or until it completely crumbles, then hello Auxiliary fields.

Posted by: rockotodd | February 5, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Is that a link to Fenty's comment?

He made it a priority to help DCU get a stadium. Too bad United couldn't help themselves, instead of Macfarlane demanding exclusive development rights and holding out his cap to get the district to kick in hundreds of millions in infrastructure improvement.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | February 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

ONce again the NoVa whiners are determined to distort reality. A New Carrolton stadium would attract more Marylanders, and really isn't much more difficult for Virginians than RFK. It's not much further by car, and would be easily accessible to the Beltway. If the parking lots are designed to exit more easily, you might even get home earlier. IF you're taking the Metro, it's a few stops more -- longer rides between stations but still no more than 10-15 additional minutes.

As for the Silver Line -- it doesn't even exist now, and will take a number of years to reach out to Reston. As far as that goes, my current ride from Bethesda involves transferring to the blue line and an additional 10 minutes from there. If I had to go the other direction, I"d have longer ride just out to Falls Church, then transferring to the new line. And, don't get me started on how much farther it would be to drive. DC is nice because the Metro is designed to take everyone in there directly. New Carrolton wouldn't be a much different trip than RFK, A stadium in Alexandria or Reston would be much different.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@Mastodon_Juan

How is that MLS Cup Trophy looking?? Ohhh wait, the RedPukes didn't win any trophies last year. What a shame.

Posted by: rockotodd | February 5, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

the DC Government has made little secret of the fact that they plan to bid to build a new stadium for the Skins on the RFK site (there's nowhere else, really) ready in about 2015. there's only one problem. DC doesn't own RFK and the surrounding lands, the Park Service does. As part of the lease, if there is no team as a primary tenant of the stadium for 12 months, it reverts back to the Feds. And the city will never get it back to build a stadium for the NFL. so DC will do everything possible, right now, to delay DCU moving anywhere.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | February 5, 2009 2:24 PM

Very interesting post. I would point out, though, that if DC wants to build a new football stadium, it's going to have to renegotiate the lease or buy the land. No way to build a new stadium in one year, or while RFK is standing. So, I'm not sure that having United there helps all that much. True, there's an incentive to delay until there's a plan in place for the new football stadium. However, if DCU moved out in 2012 (really couldn't happen sooner) that would line up more or less with a plan to move the Skins in 2015 -- since construction work would have to begin about that time.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Can't say I find the texts about Kocic's mis-adventures to be terribly encouraging...

Posted by: throwin | February 5, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

OT
July 5 -- Marta at SoccerPlex, FSC telecast 6pm.

WPS schedule lists all Freedom home games at Plex, none announced as double-headers. The only possible double-header dates appear to be May 23, July 18 and August 8.

Posted by: OWNTF | February 5, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Lost 4-1...Mawale Ange N'Silu scored our lone goal from Boyzzzz

Posted by: BurchFan4 | February 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

New Carrolton won't be so bad, you'll see.

Posted by: OWNTF | February 5, 2009 3:02 PM
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The Purple Line will go to New Carrolton, right?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Lost 4-1...Mawale Ange N'Silu scored our lone goal from Boyzzzz

Posted by: BurchFan4 | February 5, 2009 4:07 PM

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From Boyzzzz 2 MAN'S

Posted by: OWNTF | February 5, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

The Purple Line will go to New Carrolton, right?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 5, 2009 4:07 PM

Yep - that'll be the last stop on the eastern side of the line.

http://www.purplelinemd.com/maps-a-graphics

Posted by: Kev29 | February 5, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Super, so by 2025, we'll all be able to ride it to a United match . . ..
>>>>

The Purple Line will go to New Carrolton, right?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 5, 2009 4:07 PM

Yep - that'll be the last stop on the eastern side of the line.

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

SSMD1: Even if all of the land at Potomac Yards weren't accounted for(which it is); if NIMBY chose shopping centers over the traffic of the Skins stadium, do you think they would help a MLS team?

Posted by: sitruc | February 5, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

S.O.B...this reminds me of OBAMA...whole bunch of promises and the delivery is crap.

I encourage DC Residents to boot Fenty out, there's even space in the North Capitol area for A DC United stadium.

Posted by: godpere | February 5, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I encourage DC Residents to boot Fenty out, there's even space in the North Capitol area for A DC United stadium.

Posted by: godpere | February 5, 2009 6:45 PM

You might have a point there.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 5, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

@godpere -- if it's close to Union Station, that's not bad for Metro riders, but it's almost impossible for drivers/tailgaters. Could work for those Virginians coming up 395, but not for anyone else.... Also, that real estate is probably too valuable to dedicate to something that will get used about 10% of the days in a year.

Posted by: fischy | February 5, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

hmm, man, tough crowd, guy's only been in office for 2 weeks ... .

S.O.B...this reminds me of OBAMA...whole bunch of promises and the delivery is crap.

Posted by: delantero | February 5, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, two weeks of a crappy economy, no new jobs, and we are still at war.

Do something you loser!!


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hmm, man, tough crowd, guy's only been in office for 2 weeks ... .

S.O.B...this reminds me of OBAMA...whole bunch of promises and the delivery is crap.

Posted by: Palin-McCain2012 | February 5, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, it is going to take some time to fix all that mess it created over the last 8 years. You know who did it. Anyone wonders why this happened every time ----- who has to fix? So look at yourselves in the mirror and recognize something I don't need to point out before try to mess up more things. So leave that type of comments out of here.

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | February 5, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Kinda hard to fix things when Republicans are throwing up as many roadblocks as possible.

Posted by: alecw81 | February 5, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Palin-Mcain 2012: Please tell me your kidding...

Posted by: DadRyan | February 6, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

I have thought the parking lot near the University Town Center, near PG Plaza would make a great fit. It is just large enough (though it would be more of a horse shoe shape), it is owned by Hershel Bloomberg who funded the UTC billion dollar + development, it is next to metro, it is unused and would acts an anchor and attraction for the Bloomberg development. The UTC has bars and resturants already in place, the training faculity for DC United in PG county is nearby, The Purple line (if built) will be nearby... I just see that being as good a spot as any in PG county.

Posted by: SnowMiser1 | February 6, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

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