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United Notes

*Following up on our report from the other day that, despite being the reigning champion, D.C. United will have to qualify for the U.S. Open Cup.....

The club's prelim game against Dallas has been finalized: Wed., April 22, 7:30 p.m., RFK Stadium. (It is part of the season ticket package.) The survivor will play another prelim game in May against the San Jose-New York winner. The top six MLS teams from the 2008 regular season (Columbus, Houston, Chicago, New England, Chivas USA and Kansas City) are automatically entered in the tournament and two others will join them through the qualifying process. As usual, those eight will have byes until the round of 16.

*Midfielder Rod Dyachenko, let go by United this offseason, has resurfaced in Minnesota with the USL1's Thunder. He joins another former DCU player in the Twin Cities, Quavas Kirk, who signed a few weeks ago. Rich Costanzo, who started at right back for NCAA champion Maryland, will also play for the Thunder.

By Steve Goff  |  February 25, 2009; 12:10 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

This is like Liverpool winning the CL a few years ago, but not qualifying in the league...

Posted by: Reignking | February 25, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

DC strikes like lightning and farts thunder!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | February 25, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

DCU doesn't deserve a pass for not making the playoffs, but it seems like the Open Cup is providing some perverse incentives. Blow off the Open Cup in favor of the Supporter's Shield and MLS Cup and you get rewarded with byes. Sacrifice your team and play hard to win the Open Cup, possibly costing your team a playoff spot, and your prize is an even tougher path next year. People can complain about the lack of MLS commitment to the Open Cup, but their own qualification rules are partly responsible.

Posted by: distriteno | February 25, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Also, someone on the previous post made the point that the World Cup and other major tournaments don't give reigning champions exemptions but 1) the World Cup does give exemptions to the host and 2) the Open Cup DOES give exemptions, just to the wrong teams.

Posted by: distriteno | February 25, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Rich Costanzo, who started at right back for NCAA champion Maryland, will also play for the Thunder.
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Was wondering where that guy went after "Seinfeld."

Did someone say "Thunder"?!

"Sound of the drums
Beatin' in my heart
The thunder of guns
Tore me apart
You've been - thunderstruck!"

Posted by: joedoc1 | February 25, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe the World Cup hosts get exempted from qualification any more.

Posted by: mmathai1 | February 25, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

matt- my golfing friend. i thought the world cup hosts are exempt, while the holders have to play in. i could be wrong (and that is very likely).

Posted by: torrey151 | February 25, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

That sounds right, torrey.

Otherwise, South Africa would have no shot.

Posted by: Reignking | February 25, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Any Thunder followers know anything about their planned stadium?

Posted by: sitruc | February 25, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

lordy lordy

Minnesota is gonna suck this year....

both Quavas and Rod???

Suck and Suckier!!

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | February 25, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know of an Internet feed for Sunday's Carling Cup Final besides ESPN360 (I can't get ESPN360 through Cox Comm. Internet? I don't think the game is on TV.

Thanks

Posted by: ClemsonTigers | February 25, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, World Cup hosts are exempted from qualification. Example 1- South Africa.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | February 25, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

DCU doesn't deserve a pass for not making the playoffs, but it seems like the Open Cup is providing some perverse incentives. Blow off the Open Cup in favor of the Supporter's Shield and MLS Cup and you get rewarded with byes. Sacrifice your team and play hard to win the Open Cup, possibly costing your team a playoff spot, and your prize is an even tougher path next year. People can complain about the lack of MLS commitment to the Open Cup, but their own qualification rules are partly responsible.

Posted by: distriteno | February 25, 2009 12:24 PM

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Straw man.

Over the past eight years, only three USOC finalists have failed to qualify for the playoffs in the same season.

Posted by: beach3 | February 25, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

This is just a pet peeve, but will the DCU website ever update their roster positions to reflect reality. See:

Bryan Namoff - M
Devon McTavish - M
Dominic Mediate - M/F
Fred - M/F

I can't wait to see Fred and Mediate start up top this year with Namoff slotting in right behind them!

Posted by: churtmah | February 25, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

In other roster tidbits you can glean from the DCU website, we now have more Liberians than Argentinians. The times they are a-changin'

Posted by: churtmah | February 25, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Francis Doe was born on Christmas. Christian Gomez is only ten months younger than Jaime Moreno. Mike Zaher and Andrew Jacobsen were born on consecutive days in 1985. No DC United roster players were born in March.

And I, finally, have to stop procrastinating and get back to work.

Posted by: churtmah | February 25, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

When are they going to make the Open Cup not suck? They need to stop having stupid rules like the champion not qualifying. I think MLS teams enter too late in the competition regardless. Why have MLS teams play each other in order to qualify for the tournement? Why not enter with the USL teams? Makes no sense to me.

Also why do they play at "stadiums" that no one has ever heard of and neither team plays at. It seems like they are actively trying to make the Open Cup pointless and stupid.

Now that the winner qualifies for the Concacaf champions league there is some incentive to win the tournament I guess. But there is no prize money like with Superliga. What's the point of Superliage anyway with the Chamions league? Both competitions are US vs Mexico and finally Mexico vs Mexico because their teams are better than ours.

Posted by: bighungry | February 25, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Hey big, remind me again who won Superliga last year...it seems to have escaped me.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | February 25, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Did I just read that one of my season tickets is going towards an Open Cup "Play-in" game? $20+ is a waste of money for a glorified reserve league match.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | February 25, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

"But there is no prize money like with Superliga."

The players on the New England roster will argue that.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 25, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Minnesota is joining Vancouver in terms of being the frequent home of ex-DCU players as Kirk and Dyachenko go north to the Thunder to join deRoux. Vancouver had the most DCU players last year - Nolly, Moose, Addlery - but now Addlery plays for Puerto Rico. I wonder if DCU will get a discount on Platter (if he is to sign with DCU) with DCU serving up all of those players for the Thunder.

Posted by: PhillyMLS | February 25, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

bighungry,

There is a prize, $100,000.00 and a spot in CCL. The stadiums they play in are determined by the home team. DC was at the soccerplex for 2 games because of work going on at RFK I think. Also, there is a bidding process for getting to be the home team, if you pay for it you get to be the home team. Only 8 representatives are allowed in from all participating entities, USL-1, USL-2, USASA all start at the same time, MLS comes in at the 3rd round I beleive, just like BPL does with the FA Cup. And NE won Superliga.

Posted by: LWPA | February 25, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Some facts:

1) DC United WON the USOC last year.

2) DC United failed to make the MLS playoffs last year.

3) DC United, the FO and players, and virtually all its fans, consider last season to be a disaster despite having won the USOC.

4) Because of last season, Tommy Soehn (and, I would speculate, Dave Kasper) and is on the hot seat.

Conclusion based on these facts:

The USOC does not mean a hill of beans. Send the reserves out to play in USOC games and use the matches to evaluate individual performances, use them for conditioning/minutes, and consider the match results as what they are -- meaningless.

Posted by: Ron16 | February 25, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Straw man.

Over the past eight years, only three USOC finalists have failed to qualify for the playoffs in the same season.

Posted by: beach3 | February 25, 2009 1:18 PM
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That's hardly a straw man. That's almost one-quarter of the USOC finalists. Don't know how many of them won the Cup, but it suggests that this is not an isolated event or potentiality.

Posted by: fischy | February 25, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

what reserves?

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey big, remind me again who won Superliga last year...it seems to have escaped me.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | February 25, 2009 2:04 PM

You say you want a Revolutionnnn...wellll, you know, we all wanna change the world...

Posted by: SportzNut21 | February 25, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

(ack! the software stripped out my /beatles pseudo-tag!)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | February 25, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

So is this the Champions League spoiler thread or what? Beware...

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

For the record, DeRoux left Minnesota this offseason and is now with Montreal.

I'd be really sad to see Platter go, he has been one of the better players on the Thunder the last couple years. But best of luck to him if he ends up in DC.

Posted by: DCFanInMN | February 25, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Look out Vancouver!!!

The DCU-later to Minnesooootuh pipeline is being built piece by piece.

DeRoux, Quirk, Dynachenko--that is just the last couple of season. I know that I am forgetting someone else.

The Whitecaps are going to get jealous...

Posted by: yankiboy | February 25, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

NE won Superliga last year, but I would argue that was an exception. Mexican teams have a dominant record against MLS teams. Mainly because of salary differences between the two leagues.

Posted by: bighungry | February 25, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@*!%$@

PhillyMLS stole my Thunder! (Get it?!?!)

A day late dollar short again.
Curses you Son of Ben!!!

Posted by: yankiboy | February 25, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Drogba nets one in the 12th!
Lampard looked offside to me...;-)

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

bighungary,

The exception? It's 50% of the competition's champions. That's a big exception, half way to the rule. Shoot 75% of the finalists of that particular tournament have been MLS.

Posted by: LWPA | February 25, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

NE won Superliga last year, but I would argue that was an exception. Mexican teams have a dominant record against MLS teams. Mainly because of salary differences between the two leagues.

Posted by: bighungry | February 25, 2009 2:51 PM
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Bighungry, saying that Mexican teams have a doiminant record against MLS is totally different than saying they've dominated Superliga.

The SUM tournament has only existed for 2 years and of the four finalists 3 have been MLS teams (Pachuca needing penalties to beat LA in '07). Just becuase DCU blew chunks in Superliga '08 doesn't mean that the Mexican teams have dominated the tournament.

Posted by: buck-bass-goal | February 25, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

"Anyone know of an Internet feed for Sunday's Carling Cup Final besides ESPN360 (I can't get ESPN360 through Cox Comm. Internet? I don't think the game is on TV.

Thanks"

Anybody know of the D.C. vs MD game being broadcast? Any feeds, MasterLink guy?

Posted by: redskinsux | February 25, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know of an Internet feed for Sunday's Carling Cup Final besides ESPN360 (I can't get ESPN360 through Cox Comm. Internet? I don't think the game is on TV.

Thanks

Posted by: ClemsonTigers | February 25, 2009 1:14 PM

Carling Cup Final is on Setanta (TV). It's also listed on Setanta Broadband, even though ESPN have the match on 360. So there's a TV and another broadband option.

Posted by: Kev29 | February 25, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

How's the atmosphere Troy6? Looks wild!

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Holy footballer batman! Drogba is a machine. They said earlier that he is playing his 50th CL game today!! That's more than most careers...

Posted by: silverrey | February 25, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if Donovan is getting any field time right now?

Posted by: silverrey | February 25, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Never mind, he's NO18 for today...
Guess that pretty much closes the door for him.

Posted by: silverrey | February 25, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if Donovan is getting any field time right now?

Posted by: silverrey | February 25, 2009 4:06 PM


He's not on the 18.

(Someone should write a song about it. Maybe the guys that did "Kasey Keller".)

Posted by: mason08 | February 25, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

reserves = non-starters.

those reserves.

Posted by: Ron16 | February 25, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I guess that really was a good draw for Bayern...

Goal - Sporting 0 Bayern Munich 5 (Luca Toni 90)

Posted by: Kev29 | February 25, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Soooo who are the starters?
Just messin' with ya Ronnie! If we aren't decimated by injury that might be a fair call, but...

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Drogba nets one in the 12th!
Lampard looked offside to me...;-)

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 2:59 PM
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Dad -- How often do we have to go over this? Lampard didn't touch the ball, didn't get in the way of any defender. All he did was almost get in Drogba's way. It doesn't matter whether Lampard was or was not in an offside position. There was no foul.

Posted by: fischy | February 25, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Lampard interfered with the play through Osmosis...Ha!

Posted by: DadRyan | February 25, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

That's hardly a straw man. That's almost one-quarter of the USOC finalists. Don't know how many of them won the Cup, but it suggests that this is not an isolated event or potentiality.

Posted by: fischy | February 25, 2009 2:28 PM

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It's less than 20 percent. If teams have done something more than 80 percent of the time, I would hardly say that there is a direct correlation between Open Cup success and failure to make the playoffs/compete for the Supporter's Shield.

Just because DC accomplished one last year and not the other does not mean that it is a trend. You can't extrapolate DC's shortcomings last year into a league-wide scenario.

Posted by: beach3 | February 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

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