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United Stadium Update

Oh, boy.

The Maryland desk has this report about the DCU stadium situation.


By Steve Goff  |  March 31, 2009; 6:13 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Posted by: Reignking | March 31, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Not good. What was she thinking?

Wonder what city United will be in next season?

Posted by: forpat | March 31, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

DC United needs to organize a rally for the stadium and not at the last minute in the rain. It's time these people heard from the soccer supporters and in huge numbers. Plan it ahead of time and they will come!

Kudos to those two for postponing the vote until a later date. The longer the wait the more political pressure that will come down on the dissenters from above.

Posted by: blackandred777 | March 31, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

On a somewhat related note, here's a funny pic I found online that someone (I have no idea who) took of me after the Galaxy/DCU game a few weeks back.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedsxing/3378126242/

Enjoy!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

forpat,

She didn't want the vote to go down as the votes weren't there. Not the prettiest of maneuvers but it got the job done at least temporarily.

Posted by: blackandred777 | March 31, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Is there absolutely no spot in DC that is available? Maybe our owners should let someone buy in who can pony up more money towards a stadium.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | March 31, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Makes one wonder how close MacFarlane is to throwing in the towel. I'm honestly amazed he's stuck around this long after the Poplar Point deal he originally wanted fell apart.

Posted by: Juan-John | March 31, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

always a good look

Posted by: FatSickBoot | March 31, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Now that Laurel Racetrack is probably under water for good, there's a lot of land right there to build a nice stadium. Probably doesn't need any special zoning or discussions. Trouble is that it's too far out!! Pity though.

Posted by: agoldhammer | March 31, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the post above concerning a rally. These guys might be getting e-mails from us but the only faces they see and the only voices they hear are from the opponents. They need to see and hear us. There is no substitute for live bodies.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | March 31, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Personally, I'll send emails, write letters, pick up the phone to call legislatures, and even march through Annapolis...but if you want one reason why attendance was low last week (and will be again this week) the dark cloud over the stadium issue is tops on the list. If it gets built I would think a sellout would be the norm. If.

Posted by: buck-bass-goal | March 31, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I hope a stadium deal gets done, but lets be honest.

You want the State of Maryland, which is facing a large budget deficit, to front the money (not pay for, but front the money) to build a stadium for a sports team that plays a "fringe" sport during the worst economic environment in 50+ years.

Getting public help for a new stadium any time can be difficult, let alone in this economy with these budget deficits and talk of closing schools, reducing school funding, laying off public employees, etc.

I have a very strong hunch that this stadium deal is going to die soon. There is no political will to push this through and no public interest.

Bad things man...bad things...

Posted by: therealfootball | March 31, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I agree buck-bass-goal. I don't think United fans can just go along on their merrily way and pretend nothing is going on. It's not a reasonable expectation yet there are some individuals that will go unnamed that infer it should be a reasonable expectation.

This is a very dark cloud over the soccer community in this area not just the DC United community. Kevin Payne if you read this please organize something (a rally) and give us time to plan ahead for it.

Posted by: blackandred777 | March 31, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

How did Clay Davis respond?

Posted by: Golazo | March 31, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

It's funny to read accounts of taxpayers saying they pay for anything. Honestly what percentage of the stupid cameras at these hearings do these people think they own? I remember using the "I own some of this public property" that I've just been caught vandalizing argument... It didn't go over well with the cops who had me in cuffs. Bland needs to get in with DCU supporters so she's not put in such a tight spot. Of course they're gonna walk out if they're gonna get railroaded. Doesn't she know that there are other stadium supporters that are ready to roll?

Posted by: DadRyan | March 31, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think MD fronts the money. They sell the bonds and back them so everyone that buys the bonds (and that money is used for the stadium) feels safe that they will get a return on their money.

No money fronted by MD, no current tax money used. Why won't United say they will cover the possible shortfalls with tax revenue in future years or some such agreement? That seems to be the only possible hold up. Well, other than ignorance of the facts.

Posted by: jermWV | March 31, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Poopy, that photo is hilarious. Too bad he notched two on us.

Posted by: delantero | March 31, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

I hope a stadium deal gets done, but lets be honest.

You want the State of Maryland, which is facing a large budget deficit, to front the money (not pay for, but front the money) to build a stadium for a sports team that plays a "fringe" sport during the worst economic environment in 50+ years.

Getting public help for a new stadium any time can be difficult, let alone in this economy with these budget deficits and talk of closing schools, reducing school funding, laying off public employees, etc.

I have a very strong hunch that this stadium deal is going to die soon. There is no political will to push this through and no public interest.

Bad things man...bad things...

Posted by: therealfootball | March 31, 2009 7:09 PM

Sad but true. Maryland has deep seeded economic woes. They haven't had a solid budget in decades. The state is consistently in trouble financially. The times don't help.

Posted by: davethelad | March 31, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

How did Clay Davis respond?
==================================

With his patented sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit of course.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Ssshhh--eeeeeeeee--eeeee--eeeetttt.

Next question?

Indeed. United hasn't played the public relations game all that well. They did a great job behind the scenes in getting this proposal at this time, but they've fallen down on the job in terms of organizing fan support. United should have had some outreach to its PG fans to get supporters at the Council meeting. Marylanders, like me, should be invited to the legislative hearings. There may be legislators supporting the stadium idea, but they need United to provide them political cover.

And, a serious rally would help. Unfortunately, the team didn't perceive the need to do that when the District was still in play. It would be fairly easy to organize a lunchtime rally in downtown DC. (On that point -- I'm still not convinced that DC is out of the picture. If a new developer is chosen in the fall or this winter, I'm betting that some feelers will be put out. Are there places a stadium could be built in the District? Of course -- the question is will the city agree? City Hall would be integral, even if they don't come up with all the support DCU was seeking.)

While we're focused on Maryland, DCU needs to begin organizing fan support for that effort. If they rely exclusively on spontaneous action by supporters, it won't happen, It requires coordination, and that has to come from the team.

Posted by: fischy | March 31, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I might just head to Maryland/PG's Chamber with chips and a beverage. It's like Judge Judy meets Jerry Springer meets Congress.

I got the tostitos and salsa, who's in?

Posted by: delantero | March 31, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Why won't United say they will cover the possible shortfalls with tax revenue in future years or some such agreement?

Posted by: jermWV | March 31, 2009 7:41 PM
--------------------------------------------

That's a big step, considering DCU would have no equity in the stadium, and some things are totally out of their control. I will say this -- it's probably a more realistic possibility than covering cost overruns. But, why should United pay up, if the Stadium Authority does a lousy job of booking other gigs there?

Posted by: fischy | March 31, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

""I'm still not convinced that DC is out of the picture. If a new developer is chosen in the fall or this winter . . .""

Me neither. What we have to do is keep DC in DC or MD/NOVA at the very least.

I'm comforted by McF calling a move out of the area as "draconian" but didn't Baltimore Colts Owner Irsay say he couldn't get enough Maryland crabcakes? Pass the Old Bay . . .

Posted by: delantero | March 31, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Carcetti ruins everything

Posted by: diego_r | March 31, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

The team has already rallied fans to come out and support. Not many people showed up on the first hearing, remember? Of course it was on the week day.
Good for not listening to those dummies. Why would they waste time listing to whine and cry about nothing. They have nothing to do other complain, complain, complain and complain. It's so shameful they demand how much they pay for tax, tax payer this, tax payer that. How about not paying anything and you don't have a job, place to live. I am tired of those who always complaining about something.

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | March 31, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

If Clay Davis is involved, someone give the man a brown paper bag filled with cash and let's get on with this. Where's a corrupt politico when ya need em.

Posted by: ddd001 | March 31, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: undrafted | March 31, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

I also disagree with the fan rally approach. I thought it was nice enough last time, but it looks like begging. Sorry, just trying to look at it from
the outside in.

Fans should be contacting state and county representatives - stating our side and pledging to support events at the stadium. You can't make it look like you've got some sort of frustration or anger - it's Maryland we're asking to support this project. They have no obligation to do so. In fact, the obligation falls on MacFarlane/Chang/Payne. The onus is on them - rallying in Annapolis gives the impression that soccer fans expect something from the state.

Posted by: Kev29 | March 31, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

yet another chapter in the long, slow slide to mediocrity for this club. I really do think we have lost our way, not just on the field but in the front office as well. We need some new blood to reenergize this organization and I predict that by year's end, if MacFarlane doesn't have some reason to hope,(on the field or on the stadium front) this club will be sold. The "fire in the belly" is slowly being extinguished. Sorry Benny and Jaime and Brian but, without more of you guys, I rather fear the jig is up.

Posted by: Ruthie1 | March 31, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

How about a Morgan Blvd. Love-Fest -- what I would call a "Spend-In"?

DC United holds a rally at the Metro. Supporters then go about the area, spending some of our discretionary income to support local businesses, showing our support for the team and stadium (wear our colors), and maybe meeting up with local business managers, asking them to sign a petition? (Or, do it in the reverse order -- presenting our signed petition at the rally)?

The problem with the first rally was logistics -- the timing (lunchtime on a weekday), the location (Annapolis) and the lack of advance notice.

So -- pick a Saturday -- when there's a home game. Move the tailgate to Morgan Blvd, instead of Lot 8 (parking is free on the weekend). After the rally -- after our show of support for the TV cameras -- we head on to the Metro, for the 12-minute ride to RFK.

OK -- maybe not the whole tailgate -- I imagine that there are restrictions about drinking in Metro lots -- So, we do it early enough to move the party to RFK.

Posted by: fischy | March 31, 2009 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Ready for new elite 8:

Landover v. Poplar Point
Azteca v. Crew Stadium
Pizza Hut Park v. Home Depot Center
Another DCU Stadium Story v. Paint Drying

Posted by: MR1Caretaker | March 31, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

A rally of clap clap clap? Not so much.

How bout United's Charity wing and 150 supporters hit PG County and dole out volunteer services---a health clinic (diabetes/hypertension screening), an after school day of futbol, a habitat project . . . hmmm . . .

Posted by: delantero | March 31, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"Another DCU Stadium Story v. Paint Drying"

Paint Drying clearly takes this tournament.

Posted by: delantero | March 31, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

The idea that the stadium story is boring for United fans is astonishing to me.

This looks bad, if only because at any public meeting you're supposed to allow people to say whatever it is they have to say. The people there, if the quotes on Maryland Moment and the Gazette link from undrafted are accurate, are not exactly brilliantly persuasive public speakers. Between the quotes from them (which seem to boil down to "Our tax money grrr!") and Judy Robinson's rambling call to Kevin Payne on WTOP, I'd imagine these people are straying pretty close to whackjob territory. Publicly silencing them makes our side look worse than letting them get out their pitchforks and yell about their tax dollars (which shows them to be ignorant of both the bill itself and the political process in general).

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | March 31, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

I agree Chest. And with fischy and delentero about the showing of support, not a political rally. Let the nutjobs take the opposite side. NIMBYism sometimes works to scare off politicians, but they are usually seen as irrational. Let's keep to sensible and fact based then hope for the best. All anger from then should be directed towards the ownership group.

Posted by: Kev29 | March 31, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

@ Chest -- you're right, except for one thing -- parliamentary procedure. Not everyone who attends a public meeting gets to speak. The reason they didn't get to speak is the question wasn't even on the Council agenda. If the reporting is accurate, it wasn't put on the agenda because the Chair didn't have the votes to pass a resolution supporting the stadium study. So, that's not a good sign -- doesn't look good, either. If there were supporters rallied there to speak in favor of the stadium, that would be significant. So long as these councilmembers see only opponents, they're not going to want to stick their necks out.

Posted by: fischy | March 31, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | March 31, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

MacFarlane and Chang are "fixers", they do inside deals. They followed what they know and do best, they lined up the PG County "insiders" and thought that was all they needed to do. The entire DCU front office is so politically tone deaf it's sad. They need to hire a real PR/Legislative firm to handle this (or fire the one they have now). They need to find someone who could ice to Norwegians. Don't send out e-mails the day before to announce a "rally," jeebus, organize the frickin' thing so people can respond and then put it on in a way that provides the best possible PR light. This isn't rocket science, but it seems to elude DCU's FO.

Posted by: griffin1108 | March 31, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

How did Clay Davis respond?

Posted by: Golazo | March 31, 2009 7:31 PM

Hats off to you, my man! Possibly the best show ever made for the small screen.

Posted by: KireDCU | March 31, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Why is the Prince George's County Council voting again on the study? Does their vote carry any weight?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | March 31, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

What is wearing me out is what seems to me to be constant bad news/set backs. I'd put in a few grand of my own cash to get the darn stadium built. If Pink Cows and other MLS teams can successfully negotiate the treacherous waters that are city politics, I can only hope that the DCU powers that be could manage this thing, but it seems that at times they are trying to go up Niagara Falls in a wooden barrel.

Posted by: MR1Caretaker | March 31, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

On a somewhat related note, here's a funny pic I found online that someone (I have no idea who) took of me after the Galaxy/DCU game a few weeks back.

Enjoy!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 6:30 PM

I'd enjoy it more, Poopster, if you weren't sitting next to a Galaxy fan. Or do you subscribe to the "friends close, enemies closer" principle? Because I wouldn't be caught dead in public having a conversation with a rival fan, in colors, that didn't involve gestures or blood.

Thx,

Jay!

:)

Posted by: jayrockers | March 31, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I am extremely disappointed in the front office. Why the hell have you not paid off the entire delegation yet? Same could be said for DC. Why the HELL did you just stop with Barry?

Folks, seriously, get used to RFK. The FO is going to have to make an arrangement with the stadium authority to make it so we can at least break even for the honor of playing there for effs sake. We are either in RFK for the next 10 years or we move. It really is as simple as that.

Posted by: ATPDC | March 31, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

At this point - crawl back to Fenty and just say - what's the deal you want for us to get Poplar Point and be done with it.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | March 31, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd enjoy it more, Poopster, if you weren't sitting next to a Galaxy fan. Or do you subscribe to the "friends close, enemies closer" principle? Because I wouldn't be caught dead in public having a conversation with a rival fan, in colors, that didn't involve gestures or blood.

Thx,

Jay!

:)

---------------------------------

Actually that picture was taken after the game. Before and during the game I was in the Barra section cheering with the rest of 'em. Only after the game was over (and only after a few DCU players came over along with Dema and Sanneh to talk to us) did I venture over to see Landon. Also, I don't believe that while visiting with Landon did I talk to any Galaxy fans. I may have but I was a few beers deep by the end of the game so my memory isn't too good.

Once he saw the back of my jersey you could tell he had the look on his face like "Wow, I so wish I hadn't taken that photo."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

At this point - crawl back to Fenty and just say - what's the deal you want for us to get Poplar Point and be done with it.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | March 31, 2009 10:19 PM

+1

Posted by: Pedalada | March 31, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's the problem: Government cators to nut jobs. They are the ones who make the biggest stink, they are loud, and politicians are scared of confrontation and/or not being able to address their concerns.

Let's face it. We're the nut jobs for believing this was going to happen in the first place. We just figured that our back up would be plausible. This isn't about the money. For the Nats, Everyone bent over backwards. This is about the sport, they aren't even close to fronting the money because the level before that is respecting the sport and it's followers.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | March 31, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Once he saw the back of my jersey you could tell he had the look on his face like "Wow, I so wish I hadn't taken that photo."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 10:23 PM

Well played, then.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | March 31, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Well played indeed, but what's wrong with looking at the camera when gettin' your drink on at a DRINKING FOUNTAIN???? I know it's a WEIRD question, right? Hmm.

fischy, you certainly have a a firm grip on the process. Your insight is much appreciated in these trying times.

I personally think all support is worthwhile. Grass roots Barra Brava pounding on drums, all the way up to people staying alert a throwing on a suit if need be to make their presence felt in PG.
I personally have plenty of experience holding places in lines for hearings for lobbyists. I'll undercut the competition... $30 an hour? That's my fee. $60 dollar minimum to show up. Holler at me!

Posted by: DadRyan | March 31, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | March 31, 2009 6:30 PM

I'd enjoy it more, Poopster, if you weren't sitting next to a Galaxy fan. Or do you subscribe to the "friends close, enemies closer" principle? Because I wouldn't be caught dead in public having a conversation with a rival fan, in colors, that didn't involve gestures or blood.

Poopster-

I was actually the individual captured that entertaining photo. I was impressed with the creativity you displayed. Yet a bit confused by the fact that you wanted in line for about 30 minutes to chat with good ol' Landon. But hey I would have also wanted to chat with the guy who stole 2 pts from you.

Cheers-

Posted by: stuartwainstock | March 31, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Landon didn't steal crap. That pile of turds for a ref stole from US.

Posted by: DadRyan | March 31, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the photo. It has ousted the 7 month reigning champion of my background, "Barra in the dark rain against Houston."

Posted by: notafembot | March 31, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Actual Wire dialogue from Season 3, Episode 6 with tiny edits to reflect the location and clean language:

Stringer Bell/Victor McFarlane: "Twenty-five gets me the permits?"

Clay Davis: "Twenty gets you the permits. Five is for me for bribing these county MFs. I mean, I'm the one got to risk walking up to these thieving byches with cash in hand, right? I'm telling you, Victor, the people running the county nowadays, they make the last bunch look sanctified. I mean, this some shameful poop."

Posted by: edgeonyou | April 1, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

At this point - crawl back to Fenty and just say - what's the deal you want for us to get Poplar Point and be done with it.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | March 31, 2009 10:19 PM

+1

Posted by: Pedalada | March 31, 2009 10:26 PM

+ 2

Posted by: davethelad | April 1, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

@edgeonyou -- Well done, laddie.

Methinks Baltimore United could get things done...

Posted by: fischy | April 1, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Hey Steve, thanks for keeping up. You have a demanding audience I know... You're doing the great job as all ways. Thanks

Posted by: DadRyan | April 1, 2009 1:45 AM | Report abuse

edgeonyou, thanks for The Wire dialogue. I hope that Victor M. doesn't end up like Stringer Bell did! Sheeeeeiiiiit!

What would Carcetti's political advisor Norman Wilson have to say about Baltimore United? Could Royce deliver the ministers for MacFarlane?

Now you got The Wire's theme music (played at the end of the episodes) running through my head.

Posted by: billindmd | April 1, 2009 3:11 AM | Report abuse

At this point - crawl back to Fenty and just say - what's the deal you want for us to get Poplar Point and be done with it.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | March 31, 2009 10:19 PM

+1

Posted by: Pedalada | March 31, 2009 10:26 PM

+ 2

Posted by: davethelad | April 1, 2009 12:57 AM

+3

Posted by: redskinsux | April 1, 2009 3:13 AM | Report abuse

fischy:

You're right, I kind of breezed over the details of what happened. Bland left the vote off the agenda entirely; if she had allowed the vote to go ahead, I believe the shouting of outrage would have been allowed as part of the deal.

If anti-stadium people can get there, despite my rather cruel dismissal of them as a bunch of nuts, can't DCU fans be there as well? Is this something the Barra, SEs or La Norte can organize (if the club can't)? How are there 12 opponents and no proponents in attendance?

MR1Caretaker:

I get what you're saying. I just notice that the bad news is starting to shift some people into resignation. I get that we're all extremely frustrated, but I don't see the strengthened resolve that I had expected. If we can become resigned to whatever fate doles out on this, we might as well find something new to do on Saturdays.

I wasn't trying to single you out. I see how it probably came across that way.

VBB:

I wonder what Fenty's offer, if any, would be. Junior partner for developing Poplar Point whenever that happens, plus pay for the entire stadium and all infrastructure improvements? That last bit would cost more than the stadium, if memory serves. Poplar Point is, what, 4 years from being able to do anything?

It would be nice if MacFarlane and Chang had the crazy baller streak of Uncle Phil. Crew Stadium? Boom, however many million, shovels in the ground. Teams have no owner? Boom, here's a blank check to keep them running. He might be my favorite super-wealthy recluse, and not just for saving MLS.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | April 1, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Steve--please no April fool's jokes about the stadium. I wouldn't be able to handle reading a report that says we're getting a stadium in D.C. only to remember it's a 'joke'.

This saga has gone on way too long and I'm sure we're not even close to resolving this. I've been advocating all along the idea of staying in D.C. because of the inexhaustible benefits. So what-- if we have to wait an extra few years to stay in D.C.--it'll be worth it in the long run.

Again, lets make our presence known to Fenty. Find his next public speech and let's go make a scene. Singing Vamoos United in front of Fenty would be pricless AND effective.

Posted by: redskinsux | April 1, 2009 3:25 AM | Report abuse

I agree with all of the above posts that support the idea of a public rally (fischy, gambrills, blackandred, etc.). I was at the Annapolis rally and it was just done too hastily. It was the middle of a work day, it was St Patty's Day, the weather was miserable, and to add insult to injury the front office didn't give the fans enough advance notice to plan for these cicumstances. Public support for this is sorely needed particularly from PG and MD fans. The FO needs to get off there backside and start doing some good ol' grass roots kinda stuff (where are the PR guys?). They have been woefully indequate during this process.

fischy- your knowledge of this is truly beneficial to these posts. I was a Public Administration major and I feel intimidated. ;-)

Posted by: croftonpost | April 1, 2009 4:36 AM | Report abuse

Yea indequate........oops should be inadequate.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 1, 2009 4:40 AM | Report abuse

@Chest,

Who knows what Fenty would want - but let's be honest - there's NO one interested in that sight for years. Clark walked because condos and retail are not anchors in development - they needed a stadium or some other "public work" that would be a draw for something beyond the immediate population.

But really - Fenty's got unwanted land on his hand (except by DCU) and DCU needs to get out of MD and this negotiation because that state is bankrupt beyond belief. I don't blame their leadership for treading water.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | April 1, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Ward 8 Berry Farms!

Posted by: mbetka23 | April 1, 2009 7:17 AM | Report abuse

Two words: St Louis. My prediction is they will move to St. Louis, MO if some kind of stadium deal is not reached. They are on the list of potential expansion cities and have the support of Anheiser Busch for a stadium site. It will be a dark day for soccer on all levels when it happens.

Posted by: onenetnut | April 1, 2009 7:45 AM | Report abuse

onenetnut,

I think there are a number of fans that suspect the same. I believe this issue is a HUGE reason why attendance was down last week. Hard to get encouraged about a franchise that you suspect may be gone. That's why I'm in favor of a rally. We (soccer community) can sit around on our backsides or we can get up and try to do something about it. Frankly, this is even affecting my interest in tonight's USAMNT game.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 1, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Hope you really enjoy covering college basketball, Goff...

Posted by: EdTheRed | April 1, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

USAMNT? woah. For every 5 people that think that United will move there are 10 that don't. The reason attendance was down last week was that there was a conflict with WCQ's and crap weather. I'll bet that United surpasses last weeks attendance this weekend.
If any of this is "keeping fans away" they are awfully dim. No matter what happens, the stadium is years off. In my opinion, this might not be the smoothest ride in the park, but the fact that there's new news coming out constantly is progress to me. At least something is happening.
Now, if Mac, and Chang put the team on ebay, I might start worrying a little, but it won't keep me from going to games. Do any fans think the players are actually not going to do their job because of this??? Fight for the fifth star, and quit crying...
Fighting the fight isn't about scheduling it at a convenient time. The Politicians need to be in tune with the fans. Somebody give these folks Kyle Sheldon's email address so he can pump any info through BTB or DCU's site.
St. Patty's day, and little notice aren't an excuse. Fans not being aware of when hearings are going on, and when and how they're needed shouldn't be an excuse either.

Posted by: DadRyan | April 1, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm not sure "rallying the fans" is what is missing here. In fact, scores of fans bedecked in United gear and singing and chanting might just be nonproductive. What is needed is for some "development economists" (if there are such things) to point out the benefits to Maryland in general and PG County in particular from having a stadium. I know, that's what the study is supposed to produce, but DCU ought to be able to get some academic types to weigh in in advance.

Posted by: b18bolo | April 1, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

How about a Morgan Blvd. Love-Fest -- what I would call a "Spend-In"?

DC United holds a rally at the Metro. Supporters then go about the area, spending some of our discretionary income to support local businesses, showing our support for the team and stadium (wear our colors), and maybe meeting up with local business managers, asking them to sign a petition? (Or, do it in the reverse order -- presenting our signed petition at the rally)?

The problem with the first rally was logistics -- the timing (lunchtime on a weekday), the location (Annapolis) and the lack of advance notice.

So -- pick a Saturday -- when there's a home game. Move the tailgate to Morgan Blvd, instead of Lot 8 (parking is free on the weekend). After the rally -- after our show of support for the TV cameras -- we head on to the Metro, for the 12-minute ride to RFK.

OK -- maybe not the whole tailgate -- I imagine that there are restrictions about drinking in Metro lots -- So, we do it early enough to move the party to RFK.

Posted by: fischy | March 31, 2009 8:36 PM

I like this idea

Posted by: afadgsafhgd | April 1, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"yet another chapter in the long, slow slide to mediocrity for this club. I really do think we have lost our way, not just on the field but in the front office as well. We need some new blood to reenergize this organization and I predict that by year's end, if MacFarlane doesn't have some reason to hope,(on the field or on the stadium front) this club will be sold. The "fire in the belly" is slowly being extinguished. Sorry Benny and Jaime and Brian but, without more of you guys, I rather fear the jig is up.

Posted by: Ruthie1 | March 31, 2009 8:32 PM"

Well said Ruthie, I have the same feeling about the club this season. Too many unfulfilled promises on the stadium front and no real hope for this team under Tom Soehn doesn't leave me feeling too optomistic about our direction.

Posted by: DCU_VW | April 1, 2009 10:46 AM | Report abuse

b18bolo,

I agree with your assessment but I think we need both. Faces and voices are usually good things in politics.

Dadryan,

I hope your right but honestly I think you made Crofton's point unintentionally. For every 5 there is 10 is a very good argument for the problem bringing down attendance. I believe it is affecting attendance and I believe your points are valid as well. However, I think you're being a little hard on some folks. What brings people down is subjective and emotions are a hard thing to control.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 1, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If people have concerns about a new stadium they should voice them on this blog. And then we can all tell them to go to hell.

Posted by: Conservativemindsareinshackles | April 1, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

re fischy!!!

let's do it!

let's all show up arround 3 this saturday...

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | April 1, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

blackandred777: If I'm being hard on any DCU fans I don't mean to be. I was just saying that last weekend was a bit of a fluke. The stadium stuff may be discouraging to some(even me at times) but there are people who go to games who aren't as embroiled in the drama as much as the rest of us. I remember sitting next to people at the Open Cup final last year who didn't even know they were at a Cup final vs a USL team?????

I do however think that the last thing anyone should be doing is not going to games or losing faith in our club's future in the area. That will be the end of us.

Posted by: DadRyan | April 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Dadryan,

Point well taken. I'll be there Saturday night. Vamos United!

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 1, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

One has to wonder about the fate of Payne through all of this. He put together the group with Victor and Will to buy the team from AEG on the promise that a stadium deal would get done in the District and would include massive commercial and residential development opportunities. He spent a lot of their money with Arent Fox to lobby to get it done. What can he point to in this process that could be viewed as getting closer to acomplishing the goal?

Posted by: lgm6986 | April 1, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

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