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Poll: USA vs. Honduras

After their horrible performance in Costa Rica on Wednesday, the Americans are in dire need of a victory tomorrow night in San Pedro Sula Tegucigalpa Chicago. Vote:


By Steve Goff  |  June 5, 2009; 10:41 AM ET
Categories:  CONCACAF , Poll , U.S. men's national team  
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they better win or I'm moving to Canadia.

Posted by: you-dont | June 5, 2009 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Conor Casey got called in; maybe he'll play upfront with Altidore and Donovan can ride the bench.

Posted by: hacksaw | June 5, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

A win -- only because they have to. Anything else and we could be in trouble.

Posted by: torrey151 | June 5, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Conor Casey. I'm happy for the guy, getting called in due to Ching's injury. Maybe he'll get some minutes. If he does get some time on the field, it will be at the expense of a player like Davies (one would assume).

I don't see him pushing Donovan out of the starting XI. If it happens, it would be an unwelcome flashback to the 2000 Olympics.

Posted by: tab5g1 | June 5, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I voted loss against CR. I've been griping for months about playing this game in Chicago. I just voted tie.

And I feel like an optimist.

Torres needs to play. Mastroeni needs to not.

Posted by: benonthehill | June 5, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

USA 2 - Honduras 3

Posted by: arswift24 | June 5, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

While i know the fan support is against us, I do not think Honduras is as good as CR (especially in San Jose). I am figuring 2-0 win. We score a typical ugly goal in the fist half and then we get a pk call which landycakes scores.

Posted by: grubbsbl | June 5, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Depends - has US picked up anyone who can do something with a free kick?

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 5, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

they better win or I'm moving to Canadia.

Posted by: you-dont
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I hear Canadia is lovely this time of year.

Posted by: no_recess | June 5, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Goff,

What makes you assume that more than 60% of the crowd is Honduran? I don't think that Chicago is known for a large Honduran population. I know that Mexico had a large amount of supporters in Gold Cup 2007 for the game in Chicago, but I don't see why Honduras would be the same. However I can see half the crowd pulling for Honduras and that is horrible. This game should have been played in Salt Lake or Denver.

Posted by: no_recess | June 5, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Montreal's not known for its large Honduran population, but when Canada played a qualifier there against the Hondurans, the crowd was predominantly Catracho. They're willing to travel.

Good thing Conor Casey's been rewarded for his performances for Colorado with a call up.

I'd feel much better if Michael Bradley and Brian Ching were playing, but I think B Bradley's learned a lot from the Costa Rica match and will drop Beasley, Wynn and Mastroeni.

This team has a lot of heart, which we've seen against El Salvador and Guatemala on the road. I expect more of the same in front of a very large crowd in Chicago.

Posted by: billindmd | June 5, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Am I mistaken or have they previously published information on the Geographical make up of the ticket buyers and who they are supporting in previous matches? Why aren't we seeing those numbers this time around?

Posted by: DadRyan | June 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I hope for a tie this weekend.

Honduras is very good and unlike many latin teams they are much better at counterattacking soccer than at possession play. Which means they are extremely dangerous on the road. Without Edu, Bradley, Cherundolo, Hejduk, a decent left back this could be trouble.

Without players good at holding up the ball and maintaining possession it could be a track meet and that is definitely not the type of game to favor Onyewu and Bocanegra.

Posted by: teo_68 | June 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

maybe we're not being tough enough on our players. The players, especially some of the veteran stars, are perhaps getting too complacent. We've seen how well Torres and Davies have been doing in their limited time, we need to create a situation where guys are fighting for their spots more, and then we'll see a more motivated, aggressive side.

Posted by: FreddieFootballer | June 5, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Montreal's not known for its large Honduran population, but when Canada played a qualifier there against the Hondurans, the crowd was predominantly Catracho. They're willing to travel.

Posted by: billindmd | June 5, 2009 11:48 AM

Seriously - why is that over-looked? People that care about soccer around the world travel to watch their club/country. As we speak, there are a few thousand Irish guys shouting "SIX... MORE... PINTS... PLEASE" to a bemused bar matron in Sofia, Bulgaria.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

winner winner chicken dinner

For the same reason that we lost in Costa Rica -- Honduras, you are on the road this time. You lose.

Posted by: Reignking | June 5, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse


Think of the big picture before you wail at USSF. They want a return gig hosting the World Cup. In light of that fact, they have no business freezing out any fans by any means, nor relying on smaller, more out of the way venues. Packing Soldier Field with a blend of fans looks better at the FIFA level and contributes a few more dollars to the USSF, and the WC push more specifically.

I am anxious to see how US responds to the last game, but I have no way of predicting how that will unfold.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 5, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The last team to beat the US in a WCQ? Honduras, September 2001 (before 9/11) at RFK. I was a volunteer at that game, in charge of the ball kids, and got to be on the field. That game is still the most amazing sports event I have ever been to. The crowd was at least 95% for Honduras, the stadium was full as soon as the gates were open, and the crowd did not stop making noise until well after the game was over. They were screaming at the top of their lungs for about 4 hours straight! Incredible!

At that moment, I told myself that US Soccer would be nuts to ever have another WCQ against a top Central American team at RFK. Are they now making the same mistake made in September 2001 with regards to having the game in Chicago?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | June 5, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

2-nil US. Landycakes is gonna have a screamer, cause he's back on US soil. Nothing to worry about.

Posted by: gode | June 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Umm, the game back in 2001 was not 95% Hondo. Maybe 70-30. Look up clips from the game on youtube and you'll be able to see lots of red in the lower bowl. The upper bowl was probably 95-5, but not the stadium as a whole.

I do agree that having this match in Chicago is the biggest mistake we've (USSF) made since having that game at RFK in '01.

Posted by: Hoost | June 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

The Honduran defensive strategy to neutralize Donovan is to speak in German.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 5, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Depends - has US picked up anyone who can do something with a free kick?

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 5, 2009 11:31 AM |
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Not yet -- but it's worth asking if help could be on the way. The FIFA Congress voted to lift the age restriction on changing national association.

So, we should ask if there any players who might still qualify for USA play. MLS is the most obvious resource, though it's possible there are some Thomas Dooleys or Earnie Stewarts out there. Is there anyone in the MLS who might be eligible -- both on US residency and never having been capped by another senior national side?

Not high on Emilio these days, but would Fred or Gomez be good enough to play for the USA? What about players on other teams?

Posted by: fischy | June 5, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I was at the last Honduras game at RFK; there was pretty good US support there, though the upper deck was all Hondoras (many of whom seemed to enjoy dropping their cups of beer on the lower decks -- at least I can only hope it was beer). It was a great atmosphere; and if I recall didn't Earnie Stewart miss a penalty kick in that game? If he makes it, we control the match. US needs to take advantage of their opportunities regardless of the fans.

Also; go a bit easy on US fans. I traveled to Germany for the world cup, and to columbus for US-Mexico. But, unfortunately, I have a job which requires me to show up occassionally. So, I have to watch some games on the tube.

Posted by: hacksaw | June 5, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

My cursory review -- Nagamura appears to be the only other player that might be eligible and possibly worthy. Maybe, Movsisyian, but he's been pretty quiet this year. Rodney Wallace, of course, might be, if he's interested in getting US papers. Based on his play over the last 2 weeks, I wouldn't rule out Josh Wicks. Down the road, Zakuani could make the switch...

However, this could be a way for MLS (or even NCAA programs) to entice some good players to come over in coming years -- those who aren't likely to get capped by Brazil or Argentina, but might want a shot at playing international soccer.

Posted by: fischy | June 5, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

I should add Nyarko to the list....

Posted by: fischy | June 5, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Saturday's match is not a MUST win, but sure is just a few shades from one. I voted a US win because in my book they simply have to win this one. If they play in Mexico the way they did in CR then it's 3 point to El Tri in August (and a three game winless streak if we don't win tomorrow). But if they win tomorrow and have a strong Confed Cup showing I could see a tie or a possible win in Mexico come August. In any case that's a lot of "ifs" which means they better strangle that bird in hand tomorrow and put 3 in the kitty.

Tomorrow may not be the time or the place, but BB's gotta show some players the bench soon. Beasely is an easy one and if others are healthy Maestro wouldn't even be in the conversation. For me I'm thinking Donovan needs to sit a half and come off the bench in the next away match. Maybe that will light a fire under his backside to spark his drive again. The biggest culprit for me is billy-big-boots Dempsey. He just is a totally different animal when it comes to the Nats. Yes we don't have the players that are at Craven Cottage, but that has never stopped the likes of Scheva or Mutu to step up for their countries. I think Dempsey needs to sit one out just to prove a point.

Alas, we are starting to get desperate for points and for all the depth we boast of in the player pool US Soccer never dares give anyone a chance if they don't feature in the big Euro leagues or MLS. The numbers are out there, and I think there is a guy or two who could start at least a half to send a message to our so called STARS that reads "hey big guy, your arse and the pine are not necessarily mutually exclusive."

Posted by: Kosh2 | June 5, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Did someone say "Canadia"?!

"The days grow shorter and the nights are getting long
Feels like we're running out of time
Every day it seems much harder tellin' right from wrong
You got to read between the lines

Don't get discouraged, don't be afraid, we can
Make it through another day
Make it worth the price we pay..."

Posted by: joedoc1 | June 5, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

If they lose, FIRE BRADLEY! Juergen K is available now . . .

Posted by: delantero | June 5, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

We keep using the same old players whether they get time with their clubs, play poorly for us or are partially injured. There is not enough pressure on these guys to perform. Gooch, Dovovan, Dempsey and Boca were terrible against CR but they will start this match 100% no questions asked. There is more depth now so either perform or don't get called in but BB lack to balls to make the hard calls. There's lots of guys who can't crack their club's line-up because they aren't used to earning their place. BB gota lose the 'old boys' network if we are to take the next step.

Posted by: euroman | June 5, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Is this a new development fischy? Is it too late to get Bakary Soumare back? I think that he's potentially a bigger loss than some other dudes who never were interested and Reignking always laments about...;-)

Posted by: DadRyan | June 5, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Umm, the game back in 2001 was not 95% Hondo. Maybe 70-30. Look up clips from the game on youtube and you'll be able to see lots of red in the lower bowl. The upper bowl was probably 95-5, but not the stadium as a whole.

I do agree that having this match in Chicago is the biggest mistake we've (USSF) made since having that game at RFK in '01.

Posted by: Hoost | June 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse


I'd say that even 70-30 is being overly generous to the number of Hondurans there. They out cheered us probably 4-1 but from a number of fans it was more like 55-45 or at worst 60-40 split.

The problem is the US fan tends to sit on their hands while the Catrachos yelled at the top of their lungs.

Posted by: mcontento | June 5, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@RK, Jacob and others: thoughts on Burn Notice last night?

SPOILER ALERT!

I thought Sam should have driven the garbage truck, and Fi should have operated the sniper rifle.

@BlackandRedRedDevil: for some reason, I can picture you at a firing range with a 30-odd-six...

Posted by: joedoc1 | June 5, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

epic fail for US on Sat

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | June 5, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Pretty interesting column by Jamie Trecker at Foxsoccer on the whole Ntl Team situation. Love the Goffer, but this is some go insight

Posted by: Ruthie1 | June 5, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I was at the match in 2001. The fans were 110% Honduran. How? During the match, some Honduran women at RFK gave birth.

No way Joe Doc. Sam's artillery, Fi is demolition (C4 or garbage trucks).

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 5, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Although the U.S. is playing on home soil, "Home field advantage" is certainly out of the window. Honduras will feel like they are back in San Pedro Sula. Even a 65/35 split will be a major disadvantage to the US. Home field aside, Honduras has some pretty physical defenders and some great mid-fielders. Certainly better that any CONCACAF rival.

Posted by: Kromer523 | June 5, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Is this a new development fischy? Is it too late to get Bakary Soumare back? I think that he's potentially a bigger loss than some other dudes who never were interested and Reignking always laments about...;-)

Posted by: DadRyan

Hey! I fully support Soumare -- he was smart enough to go to UVa.

Posted by: Reignking | June 5, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Although the U.S. is playing on home soil, "Home field advantage" is certainly out of the window. Honduras will feel like they are back in San Pedro Sula.

Posted by: Kromer523

Oh, so many jokes...but I deleted them...

Posted by: Reignking | June 5, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, so many jokes...but I deleted them...

Posted by: Reignking


Not a joke. It is funny, however, that you think it is.

Posted by: Kromer523 | June 5, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

What makes you assume that more than 60% of the crowd is Honduran?

Posted by: no_recess | June 5, 2009 11:38 AM

I talked to a Honduran guy at my store today and he said ten of his friends had already left for Chicago. I was at RFK last night and not one person I talked to mentioned they were going to Chicago. If soccer fans at a soccer game have little to no buzz regarding travel to Chicago, and random Hondurans have already jumped at the chance to watch their team, I think the split is going to be more like 90/10. The good 'ol days of USMNT soccer are back!

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | June 5, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

If you do travel to an away game, though, don't press your luck with the locals . . .


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/105507/England-fan-shot-for-soccer-sing-song

Posted by: OWNTF | June 5, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Not a joke. It is funny, however, that you think it is.

Posted by: Kromer523

I was going to make jokes about Honduras -- he: "Honduras will feel like they are back in San Pedro Sula.".

Posted by: Reignking | June 5, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Reignking - I hope I'm wrong. But, the Catrachos are a great team...and they will have strong support from the their fans. Let's just hope for the best!!

Posted by: Kromer523 | June 5, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

OK, so my 95/5 comment about the Sep. 2001 was a little bit of hyperbole, but it wasn't 55/45 either. And who care about the number of people anyway. It's more about the vocal support and that was heavily weighted towards the Honduras fans.

The point is that no way was that a "home" game and I'm hoping the same isn't true tomorrow.

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | June 5, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm visiting the DC area right now and was wondering if anyone could point out a good bar/pub (with a pro-USA crowd) near Greenbelt to go to to watch Saturday's game.

Thank you much! Go USA!

Posted by: eegah | June 5, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Burn Notice review:

I was surprised the new friend turned on him so quick. I honestly thought they'd get three episodes out of him. (By the by, whatever happened to the Brother?) I thought the idea of Michael's mom being that mad at Sam and how she played it was great. Overall, they did a good job of setting the table for how this season will play out, with less "helping the helpless" and more saving his own butt.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | June 5, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

No one on this thread ever goes to Greenbelt, it's too far from DC.

sorry, Insider inside joke

but I'd say your best bet is hop the metro downtown to Lucky Bar or some place like that

Posted by: OWNTF | June 5, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

if the Honduran fans will travel to Chicago or D.C., then why wouldn't they travel to SLC or Portland? I think it's better for the U.S. To play on front of larger crowds in somewhat hostile circumstances. It would suck to miss the WC (ad I don't think we will), but if we did it might be the kick in the pants we need. Or I guess it could cause a downward spiral that ends with us needing the automatic qualification for hosting in 2022.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | June 5, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

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