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Red Bulls Eliminated

After embarrassing themselves and the league for months, the unlova-Bulls now officially have nothing to play for.

Eliminated from the U.S. Open Cup in the preliminary stage and on course for perhaps the worst league performance in MLS history, New York was ushered out of the CONCACAF Champions League on Wednesday night by something called W Connection in front of tens of dozens at Giants Stadium (what, Hackensack High School wasn't available?). The score of the match was 2-1 for the Trinidad club, the two-leg aggregate count was 4-3. As far as I can tell, W Connection had never won a CONCACAF series in its 23-year history.

With an opportunity to place five clubs in the 16-team group stage, MLS is left with three: Houston and Columbus (which received byes) and D.C. United, which escaped Salvadoran club Firpo on penalties Tuesday. Play resumes in two weeks with DCU at Marathon (Honduras), Columbus home to Puerto Rico (USL1) and Houston hosting Metapan (El Salvador).

By Steve Goff  |  August 5, 2009; 9:55 PM ET
Categories:  CONCACAF Champions League , MLS  
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Comments

good riddance.

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

this is weird. Why is SuperLiga straight to PKs without OT?

Posted by: fedssocr | August 5, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

So, how many sellouts will Red Bull Arena have next season? Maybe the opening match? That team has been a piece of garbage since 1996, and it appears there's no end in sight.

Posted by: Hoost | August 5, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I think Chicago needs to work on those pks in training. Thats two missed shots now.

Posted by: OrangeGirl1 | August 5, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok, let's say you are the new Red Bull management team. Who (if anyone) do you keep next year as you look to rebuild?

Posted by: Pedalada | August 5, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Energie NY. Fail. Relegate them. Just pathetic.

Posted by: Reignking | August 5, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Can we retroactively install relegation? I'm not even worried about the promotion part, just relegate the bulls.

Posted by: pecanturtle | August 5, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

At least Chicago lost with dignity.

Posted by: PEddy | August 5, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

I hate PKs.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Juan Carlos Osario's job will be over in 3....2....1....

Posted by: nytshade71 | August 5, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

would you relegate NY to USL-1 or just straight to USL-2?

Posted by: Pedalada | August 5, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Is the Scroungers/Barcelona game going to be preempted by little league, oops big league baseball?

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

First, you really have to admire the Red Bull fans who have stuck with it--those are hardcore MLS fans who refuse to quit, refuse to be demoralized. Even in DCU's worst times, our worst seasons, we've never put together play as bad, as disheartening as what this NY/NJ franchise has consistently done.

Second, it's really hard to view this as a rivalry. I don't mean to sound cocky. But talking trash about this team, arguing they're going to lose--it's like beating up a toddler--you just feel bad and wrong afterwards--there's no satisfaction.

Third, it's bad for the league. I'm not one of those people arguing that LAG and NYRB need to win championships for the league to survive. But when ANY league that isn't dominant in the hearts and wallets of it's countrymen has a team that is consistently woeful, just dreadful, terribly mismanaged on a bunch of levels ends up being a drag on the league. You see what happens in Seattle or even Real Salt Lake (good fan base, beautiful stadium) and then people go to NY and it's just a terrible game experience. How does JCO still have a job? That alone has to kill support who have got to believe that management doesn't care.

This is just bad on so many levels. It's beyond the point where I rejoice in their losing. I feel pity for what that franchise has become. And that's sad--because you ought to be able to "hate them with a great hating" but no, I just feel pity.

Posted by: JoeW1 | August 5, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Apparently not, with this being pre-recorded, and us still being 7 minutes from showtime.

What are the chances Goff had this written up before the kickaround, and just added in the score in the waining minutes?

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

"something called W Connection" = favorite line of the night!

by the way I see nowhere online to purchase their jersey to commemorate the occasion...official team site under construction and CONCACAF shop empty

Posted by: Pedalada | August 5, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I know I am supposed to start hating Seattle, since we play them in the final soon, but MAN there fans LOVE THAT TEAM, and they have not done anything for them yet.

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 5, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Rafael Marquez could be out for the US match. Thank you, Seattle.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

good riddance.

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse __________________________________

Great comment!!! To that I might add Ha Ha Ha, LOL and LMAO!!!

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 5, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

i think i have counted 20 barca jerseys thats it... where are the barca fans???

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 5, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

I know I am supposed to start hating Seattle, since we play them in the final soon, but MAN there fans LOVE THAT TEAM, and they have not done anything for them yet.

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 5, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Great point. The problem is if they don't do anything for these folks their interest will dwindle. The Sounders can't play every game on turf and every MLS Cup won't be played at Qwest no matter how much money they have. Just wait till they start having trouble getting the big seahawk head off the 50 yard line...

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Messi... wow

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

He's so freaking good...

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is only losing because they're playing on natural grass.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllllllllll.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Another reason you don't see a lot of Barcelona Jerseys is that all the season ticket holders got free tix for this jawn.

DCU fans need to do the same thing for the Open Cup final! NO RAVE GREEN in the lower bowl! I did actually hear a more recent, more legit report that the lower bowl at RFK is 19K. FYI..

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

Barecelona is pretty good.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Wow...

Bojan and Messi...

And Harkes was awesome there. "Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say 'Behave yourselves'".

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Messi... he's decent.
2-0

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Messi just megged Kasey Keller.


Wow.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Zackuani is holding his own against Alves.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

That was a good line, JacobfromAtlanta-ish. I definitely agree that Zakuani has been holding his own.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Alright, it's nighty night time for me.

Enjoy you guys.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 5, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I thought Ryan Burr was a weekend guy that got stuck doing soccer highlights during halftime. He's doing halftime tonight. Damn.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Zakuani has gotten the better of Alves. He's getting a step on him and crossing at will. he's so quick. he'll be snatched up soon.

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else having a hard time figuring out a starting XI for MLS fantasy this weekend? When does the stinking line up come out?
Is Holden going to Mexico or what? Houston has two games this week... I NEED to KNow!

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

having watched Nyarko for VaTech, (aside: harkes was scouting him at one game and i spoke to him after the game-he was all smiles) i think he could be doing the same thing for Chicago if he were played wide. seems like he is wasted as a full center forward. at tech, nyarko liked to drift wide to the left like Henry for Barca and then pick up speed and look to cut. nyarko is also better with the ball at his feet than zakuani.

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

Have you heard "it's the Lionel Messi show starring Lionel Messi?"

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

seriously sitruc, could Harkes' broadcast partner be more of a Messi groupie? my god its sickening. its annoying that ESPN feels the need to explain to viewers "Messi is a very good recognized play" with the lovefest.

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

I'm just amazed pbp, commentary and the halftime guy all said "it's the Lionel Messi show." I was hoping for a new drinking game for the second half. I know he isn't playing this half, but I'm somewhat surprised we've only heard it once since the second half began.

Posted by: sitruc | August 5, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

If Messi played for the Sounders he would have gone the full 90...

Posted by: DadRyan | August 5, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, this loss probably saves the Red Bulls a lot of money. With crowds like that, a few extra home games could bankrupt the team.

Posted by: fischy | August 5, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

As embarrassing as NY's loss is on the surface, it's actually worse when you get into the details. No disrespect to W Connection, but they're in no way a good team (even for CONCACAF standards). They're tactically naive, lack positional discipline, and their collective first touch is quite poor. They don't seem to be very well coached. I didn't see a single player who could make the grade in MLS; the center back Pereira might have in his younger days (FSC said he's 33 in the first leg). That's it.

Meanwhile, NY basically gave the whole thing away on the stroke of halftime. Goldthwaite attempted to play a square pass that will loom as one of the more disastrous decisions I've ever seen from a professional. It's one thing to pull an Janicki and get the ball caught under your feet under pressure; it's another thing to take a touch to set up this stupid pass, turn your body to make the stupid pass, and then do it all slowly enough that the man who's all over you can strip you. It'd be unforgivable for a Lot 8 kickaround between kids and drunks.

In the 2nd half, NY had absolutely no idea what to do. Rojas started to cramp early, but then he had basically stopped playing after setting up Wolyniec's goal. Richards vanished, Oebster lost the rhythm he'd had earlier, and Celades was just angry with his teammates. Other than 2 long-range shots that went close from Celades and Stammler, NY's best chance in the box was Mbuta attempting to hook the ball over his shoulder as a cross, only to botch that and have it go towards goal instead. That's right; their closest real scoring chance, with their season on the line, was a botched cross.

Having watched NY spend an entire half lumping the ball forward and hoping Wolyniec could win the ball against multiple markers, I can't say I feel any sympathy for them. Actually, that's not true; Mike Petke actually had a good game. His crucial late tackles saved 2 virtually sure goals. Contrast that with Pacheco, who could have easily saved the first goal if he had sprinted rather than jogged, or if he had lunged for it rather than never change pace and watch the ball roll within his reach before going in. I have no qualms about NY suffering, and I was still disgusted.

Here's the kicker: W Connection went from a somewhat defensive 4321 to an aggressive 433 before halftime. They stayed in that formation for the rest of the game. There was no attempt to clog midfield or bolster the defense. They brought off their right back Navarro for Pacheco, who actually attacked more (within 5 minutes of coming on, he was ahead of his entire team, trying to force a corner in the NY area). They didn't even change their quick, direct approach. There was no attempt to hold possession. In short, NY had a team almost begging to give them a late goal, and they couldn't even create a real opportunity.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | August 6, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

3-0

I'm bored.

Posted by: sitruc | August 6, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Even in HD, those puke green kits just fade into the pitch. Watching this match is a bit like watching a bunch of hunters in blaze orange shadow box against a team of ghosts.

Posted by: mason08 | August 6, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, this loss probably saves the Red Bulls a lot of money. With crowds like that, a few extra home games could bankrupt the team.

Posted by: fischy | August 5, 2009 11:58 PM | ----------

Post of the night, fischy! :-)

And is it just me, or is that Quest Field grass the lumpiest POS anyone has ever seen?

Posted by: Juan-John | August 6, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

I see green shirts heading for the tunnels in the terraces.

Posted by: mason08 | August 6, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Can we relegate the Bulls now? I'm sure Rochester, Vancouver or Puerto Rico could take their place quite easily.

Posted by: delantero | August 6, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

4-0

Posted by: sitruc | August 6, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of Varsity vs. JV scrimmages in high school.

Posted by: mason08 | August 6, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

The turf was replaced with grass, right?

Seattle (1-3-4 away), or any team for that matter, that regularly plays on turf just can't step it up on grass. It's nice home field advantage, but grass is such a different surface. It's like a different game---even if the turf is good quality.

Posted by: delantero | August 6, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Rave green definitely blends in with the field. The strips of natural grass helps the camo effect. Many fans in prime seats definitely hit the exits early.

Final
4-0

Posted by: sitruc | August 6, 2009 12:32 AM | Report abuse

They put the grass in three or four days ago, delantero. That second half nearly put me to sleep.

Posted by: sitruc | August 6, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know where to start with the NYRB so I will agree with everything Chest said. Someone asked USL1 or USL2. I would say straight to PDL.

Once again, this is what happens when your second most dangerous attacking player, Dane Richards, has the technique of a 13 yr old MSI rec player.

The Chicago game was great. Good atmosphere too. Makes me cry as we don't have a stadium. Alright that's enough blogging, night.

Posted by: grubbsbl | August 6, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

yeah mason08, I would have thought the superfans would stick around for the final whistle...

Posted by: VTUnited | August 6, 2009 12:38 AM | Report abuse

Top four candidates for promotion from the second division:

1. Carolina RailHawks (12-5-3, 39 points)
2. Charleston Battery (10-3-8, 38 points)
3. Portland Timbers (9-1-9, 36 points -- but they're being promoted in 2011 already))
4. Puerto Rico Islanders (9-5-8, 35 points -- and advanced to CCL group stage)
5. Rochester Rhinos (8-7-5, 29 points)

Take your pick...

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 6, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

well, upon second thought, probably better to say that Portland "are joining MLS" in 2011 already, as opposed to saying "being promoted."

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 6, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

having watched Nyarko for VaTech, (aside: harkes was scouting him at one game and i spoke to him after the game-he was all smiles) ...
Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse
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Was this possible against Cal in the NCAA tournament at VT? If so, JH may have been looking more at Andrew Jacobson (DCU), Luke Sassano (NYRB), Stefan Frei (TFC) or Andrew Weideman (he'll be hitting MLS soon).

Posted by: J_S_F | August 6, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Granted, many of the fans at the Barça-Sounders game could have been first timers. You could even say 75% of those first timers bought home team stuff before the game. But you'd like to think anyone who actually likes soccer would watch the entire game if the best team in the world with the best player in the world playing the most attractive soccer in the world came to town. Fans leaving anywhere before the 80th minute is embarrassing.

Posted by: TassieTiger | August 6, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

I have read quite a bit of criticism directed at NYRB for their elimination at the hands of W Connection but I haven't seen similar mocking of Toronto for losing to Puerto Rico. W Connection may not be the greatest club out there but they did win the CFU Club Championship finishing ahead of Puerto Rico and San Juan (all three teams qualified for the CCL by their top three placement in this competition).

Although I too am feeling more pity than joy watching NYRB lose lately, I have generally enjoyed watching them lose in the past. However, losing to W Connection is no more disgraceful than losing to Puerto Rico. W Connection has won the Caribbean competition three times in the past seven years. The best Puerto Rico has done is second while finishing behind other clubs such as Joe Public, San Juan Jabloteh, Portmore United, and Harbor View.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 6, 2009 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Top four candidates for promotion from the second division:

5. Rochester Rhinos (8-7-5, 29 points)
Take your pick...
Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 6, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Ahh yes the team that is actually in NY and actually has a fan base.

Add to that the probability of the Bills moving to Toronto and you have a built in rivalry (absolute hatred) with Toronto FC.

You could possibly end up with a situation of Montreal/Toronto/Rochester being close to the same level of rivalry as Seattle/Portland/Vancouver.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 6, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

"It'd be unforgivable for a Lot 8 kickaround between kids and drunks." - Chest

Ouch!

Posted by: Ron16 | August 6, 2009 6:42 AM | Report abuse

official team site under construction and CONCACAF shop empty

Posted by: Pedalada | August 5, 2009 10:26 PM
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That's because Jack Warner stole it all. No worries, though. It will be on sale soon elsewhere for twice the price. :)

Posted by: schmuckatelli | August 6, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

could Harkes' broadcast partner be more of a Messi groupie?

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:44 PM
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You haven't heard Ray Hudson call a Barcelona match, have you?

Posted by: schmuckatelli | August 6, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

Crofton: sure, but the islanders showed well in ccl last season, no? And are still in the MLS hunt. The reason people call out nyrb is because this was literally the only thing they had to play for. No need to rest players, or anything.

As for firing Osorio...why? I mean besides the obvious. But if there isn't another manager waiting in the wings, why pay his salary on a lost season? An interim coach gets you nothing.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | August 6, 2009 7:25 AM | Report abuse

Joshua,

Like I said, I am feeling more pity than joy lately watching NYRB lose. Somebody has to come to their defense. It's like pulling for the Pittsburgh Pirates to lose. Why? What's the point? They always stink. NYRB are so awful that they have sucked all the fun out of it. They're now funsuckers!

Posted by: croftonpost | August 6, 2009 8:01 AM | Report abuse

Second, it's really hard to view this as a rivalry. I don't mean to sound cocky. But talking trash about this team, arguing they're going to lose--it's like beating up a toddler--you just feel bad and wrong afterwards--there's no satisfaction.

Posted by: JoeW1 | August 5, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

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I have said this for several years now. For me, our rivals are Chicago, NE and, to a lesser extent, LA. Those are the teams we have had to battle for meaningful wins. They are the teams that have taken away or tried to take away championships form us.

NY is just a crappy organization that happens to be nearby and wants to drum up a rivalry with us because of that proximity and their inability to have a rivalry with anyone because of their lack of success.

I don't have time to losers who need to drum up a rivalry.

Posted by: beach3 | August 6, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Crofton Post--totally different situation between TFC and NYRB.

1. TFC is still in the playoff hunt and taking MLS matches seriously. NYRB isn't.

2. If you saw any of the PRI/TFC matches, you saw that either TFC had the better of play or was at least evenly matched. And it was decent soccer. As Chest Rockwell so explicitly pointed out W-C had heart but just isn't much of a team tactically or athletically or techniquely. But there are 5-6 PRI players who have recently played in MLS or if the money was right would play in MLS. Anyone with W-C you could name?

3. Look at the circumstances. TFC went in there knowing they had to get a win on the road. They had the better of play but couldn't finish--boo on them. But that happens sometimes.

But RBNY got two away goals (both on deflections). All they needed as a 0-0 draw or 1-1- draw and then advance. Instead, they showed completely inept play.

And oh yeah, there's the motivation piece (CL was the only thing NYRB had to play for). I mean, our team was terrible for almost all of last year and they took the USOC seriously because it was the only chance to win some hardware.

Posted by: JoeW1 | August 6, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

could Harkes' broadcast partner be more of a Messi groupie?

Posted by: you-dont | August 5, 2009 11:44 PM
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You haven't heard Ray Hudson call a Barcelona match, have you?

Posted by: schmuckatelli | August 6, 2009 7:15 AM | Report abuse

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Seriously. They were a little over the top last night, but Hudson's commentary on Messi borders on sexually predatory sometimes. I hate Ray Hudson.

Posted by: beach3 | August 6, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Real Salt Lake and Chivas had excuses when they had their worst ever seasons - Jorge Vergara thought Mexico's scraps were better than MLS and RSL was just happy to be there that year.

RBNY has NO excuse (except for maybe still being in Giants Stadium) but no excuse whatsoever for these displays.

Everyone owes Columbus a HUGE debt of gratitude for not allowing that bunch to get a trophy. And again - note to Don Garber - The Supporters Shield REALLY still needs to be the big trophy to win for MLS. Too much garbage floats in the water known as the MLS Cup Playoffs.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | August 6, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey what happened in WPS last night?

Posted by: DadRyan | August 6, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

VBB: spot on! the Supporters' Shield is harder to win and much more emblematic of a champion than the roulette wheel that is the MLS playoffs. fortunately, DCU has the same number of SSs as MLS Cups, so the club can maintain the stars on the jerseys. In my mind, the order of preference is:

1. SS
2. CCL
3. USOC
4. MLS Cup (which I liken to a shortened Carling -- or whoever are sponsoring it this week -- Cup, with USOC being like the FA Cup)

and...I don't even know whether to include the other made-up competitions.

Posted by: troy6 | August 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

JoeW1,

Again, point taken. I was feeling sympathy for NYRB last night. However, if the Islanders are so much better (and I'm not arguing against it) why are they doing so poorly is the CFU Club Tournament? They haven't won it yet and they stated they were entering it to qualify for the CCL. They are definitely trying to win it but it has escaped them to this point.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 6, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"is" should be "in".

The MLS Playoffs are no different than any other single elimination tournament. Anything can happen. The Arizona Cardinals almost won the Super Bowl for pete's sake.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 6, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

You should've heard Hudson talk about Ronaldinho when he was at Barca...hilarious and odd.

Posted by: Reignking | August 6, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Dadryan,

Atletica 2 Red Stars 0

Sky Blue 2 Gold Pride 0

Sky Blue and the Freedom are now tied and both are one point ahead of the Breakers.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 6, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Supporters Shield?

It doesn't mean much beyond that a team has had a strong regular season. Everyone in MLS knows the competition format. Teams don't play the same schedule and a team can take it's foot off the gas after having clinched the playoffs to rest some of it's team.

Saying the Supporters Shield is the most important achievement is about the equivalent of saying that, in a World Cup, the team that does best in it's group stage is really the best team.

MLS playoffs aren't going away nor should they.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | August 6, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

if Puerto Rico gets promoted to MLS and NY takes their fancy new stadium to USL, can MLS finally claim to have a team in the "Southeast"?

Road trips to watch DCU play in the Caribbean sound pretty good to me.

Posted by: Pedalada | August 6, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Mostly I feel bad for Juan Pablo Angel.

He's a great player, seems to be a classy guy, and has stuck with NY and MLS for several good years now. Too bad he has to suffer so much with lousy teammates.

Posted by: WorldCup | August 6, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

if Puerto Rico gets promoted to MLS and NY takes their fancy new stadium to USL, can MLS finally claim to have a team in the "Southeast"?
Posted by: Pedalada
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Wouldn't the Islanders have a big fan base if they played in Harrison?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 6, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS3WknpDudo

memories, memories, of the last major international achievement for MLS.

Could it be that some MLS clubs are finally embracing their tiny little insulated, franchised, exhibition status and just not giving a #$$% anymore?

Please can we run our soccer like the rest of their world, instead of like the closed circus that the league standing in as our first division does?

www.soccerreform.us

Posted by: soccerreform | August 6, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

croftonpost:

As it was I had to delete a paragraph to get under the Post's character limit. The fact that W Connection had beaten Puerto Rico had crossed my mind, but only on a "how in the world did this happen" context.

Having watched Puerto Rico extensively, and both W Connection games, I'd say it's much more embarrassing to lose to W Connection. My theory, having never seen a CFU knockout match, is that Puerto Rico tries to open up and play attacking soccer against teams that they're better than.

This is the opposite to their CCL approach, which often borders on disgustingly cynical (Gaudette's timewasting antics, for example, are a disgrace). W Connection has only a couple players that I would choose over their Puerto Rico counterparts, and the Islanders appear to be a much better coached team. If they played their "bunker and wait for mistakes" style against W Connection, they'd tear them apart.

Ron16:

I stand by that comment. Watching that play develop was like watching a car wreck in slow motion. You can see the mistake coming as Goldthwaite turns into pressure. You can almost feel Cepero's bile rising as the ball leaves Goldthwaite's foot at the perfect speed for Toussaint to run on to it.

In NY history, that mistake should stand up with Caricola's own goal.

Joel_M_Lane:

Agreed. I actually thought the "Supporters Shields are more important" argument had died around these parts last year, after our 2 year streak ended.

Sure, it's an indicator of who has the best team, but everyone's gunning for an MLS Cup. That's what you get a star on the jersey for, and that's how you get crowned MLS champion.

I wonder if Mexican fans have these arguments about the Liguilla.

soccerreform:

Actually, LA has the last real (that is, non-Superliga) international achievement for MLS, having won the CONCACAF Champions Cup in 2000. I mean, unless you don't count CONCACAF wins, which would mean you don't count continental competition (something the rest of the world does).

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | August 6, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

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