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Rough Night for Crew

And you thought D.C. United had a bad day at home against Toluca.....

Columbus, which is 6-0-2 in its last eight league matches and 10-1-7 since a 0-2-2 start, was blasted by Cruz Azul, 5-0, in Mexico City.

While the USA national team is on even par with El Tri, MLS remains miles behind the the Mexican league's elite clubs. Agree?

Meantime, the goals were also flowing at Rio Tinto as Robbie Findley scored twice in Real Salt Lake's 4-0 rout of Chivas USA before 14,747 observers.

Crew video:

By Steve Goff  |  August 27, 2009; 7:23 AM ET
Categories:  CONCACAF Champions League , MLS , Mexico  
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Comments

Clearly the Crew doesn't care about international play either.

Posted by: Section117 | August 27, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

If WeWinTrophies, then do you know the sales for next week's Open Cup game?

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | August 27, 2009 8:11 AM | Report abuse

"While the USA national team is on even par with El Tri, MLS remains miles behind the the Mexican league's elite clubs. Agree?"

Honestly, no. I don't agree. A lot of the blame has to fall on the league that STILL refuses to schedule its regular season around International dates, Champions League and US Open Cup. Oh yeah, and the fact that they've cut the reserve league. Its no surprise to me that DC United struggles when it has ten games in one month every summer. Although Columbus doesn't have the Open Cup, their schedule is nearly as congested.

Posted by: AtlantaMLS | August 27, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

Honestly, no. I don't agree. A lot of the blame has to fall on the league that STILL refuses to schedule its regular season around International dates, Champions League and US Open Cup. Oh yeah, and the fact that they've cut the reserve league. Its no surprise to me that DC United struggles when it has ten games in one month every summer. Although Columbus doesn't have the Open Cup, their schedule is nearly as congested.

Posted by: AtlantaMLS | August 27, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

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You mean the same Columbus Crew which had last weekend off and hasn't had a midweek league match since May and that was following a weekend off?

They haven't had fixture congestion. Houston has, and they have managed to win and tie in their two CCL matches and they made the semis of the Open Cup.

Fixture congestion can be an issue, but it can also be a crutch for a team which has a manager willing to put out lineups that no one else would ever consider.

The Mexican teams are better. It's undeniable. Blaming the league or the schedule is just another excuse to criticize the league just for the sake of criticizing it.

Posted by: beach3 | August 27, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

AtlantaMLS - Fixture congestion, obviously, can only be an issue vis a vis the competition's fixture congestion. I assume you are well versed in the level of such congestion faced by every team in the tournament?

The only other league in the tournament I'm familiar with is the USL, and their fixture congestion is typically worse than MLS.

Posted by: Wendell_Gee | August 27, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

This kind of performance is why Findley should have been on the Gold Cup roster and not Arnaud.

Posted by: no_recess | August 27, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I'd be really interested to see comparative roster sizes and salaries for United/Crew and Toluca/Cruz Azul. Probably impossible to find accurate info on Mexican club wages, but I'd be curious to see the disparity.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 27, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

not sure what lineup the crew had, but we will never know if toluca was better than Dc, because tommy rest 5 starters and 3 starters played 45. Would we have won, IDK, but our team did play rather poorly.

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 27, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Columbus played their first team...

1 Will Hesmer
4 Gino Padula
2 Frankie Hejduk
23 Eric Brunner
14 Chad Marshall
7 Guillermo Barros Schelotto
19 Robbie Rogers
12 Eddie Gaven
16 Bryan Carroll
5 Danny O┬┤Rourke
10 Alejandro Moreno

Brunner was sent off in the 37th minute. A loss was understandable, but a sending off and some freak goals made it a rout

Posted by: Kev29 | August 27, 2009 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Advantage Mexico . . . but it's the way they are set up . .

Let's see, Mexican teams have no salary cap. Mexican teams don't have an 18 player limit. Mexican teams play at altitude where they are dominant over MLS teams.

Still, Mexican sides usually look pretty average when they play United at RFK (last night's score notwithstanding).

So, they might be better, but I don't think they are leaps and bounds above MLS.

Posted by: delantero | August 27, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

SOme of these were elemental mistakes. The second goal, the own goal, etc.

Yes, salary-wise Mexican League players make more on average than MLS players (maybe excluding Donovan/Beckham and a few others - Mexican League players are played extremely well), but fixture congestion is not the excuse.

If that was the reasoning, it would work to the advantadge of MLS teams, since most of the USMNT is made up by players who play abroad, and many of the MMNT actually play in Mexico, aside from quite a few foreign players who play for their countries in S.America or C. America.

Further, Mexican League royally sucks the way the congest teams calendars with 2 tournaments a year (apertura and clausura) with its respective pre-seasons and play-offs, Super Liga, Pre-Qualification to the Libertadores Tournament, CONCAChampions, Mexican National Team, and Copa Libertadores and Sud Americana.

MLS should change to the traditional fall-spring season like the other leagues in the world and avoid the scheduling conflicts.

Posted by: vmrg1974 | August 27, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

wow I feel better about our loss

Posted by: Pete803 | August 27, 2009 10:02 AM | Report abuse

wow I feel better about our loss
Posted by: Pete803
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As Lucy, the noted comic strip psychiatrist, would say, "Five cents please."

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 27, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Historically, Mexican league teams have a better CONCACAF record than MLS teams. However, this year's Champions League is far from over. The Crew and United still have time to redeem themselves.

Posted by: Brokenbil | August 27, 2009 10:24 AM | Report abuse

"MLS should change to the traditional fall-spring season like the other leagues in the world and avoid the scheduling conflicts."

vmrg1974, someone made this comment before to which the response was something along the lines of 'Sure, I'd love to see MLS games in Toronto in December.'

Posted by: Brokenbil | August 27, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

The question was does "MLS remains miles behind the the Mexican league's elite clubs. Agree?"

Now, I don't watch Mexican soccer, but my asumption would be that, yes, MLS in general is well behind the top three Mexican teams. However, once you move beyond that top tier, I dunno. I sure wasn't impressed by Toluca the other night -- they looked very beatable.

I'd guess that the top of MLS = the middle of the Mexican league or something like that. And of course, the reasons for that have been well articulated (salary differences, roster size, etc.).

Posted by: edgeonyou | August 27, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Two HUGE reasons why we will NEVER see a Fall-Spring MLS season:

#1. Weather. You can't play soccer outside in half the cities in the league from Dec-February (sometimes into March). Try kicking a ball in January if you don't believe me.

#2. Head-to-Head competition with: NFL, NCAA Football, NHL, NBA, NCAA Basketball... yeah, prepare to see game attendance drop 60% and have almost ZERO TV coverage other than FSC.

Posted by: alecw81 | August 27, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

My admittedly unimportant and unrefined position is that, yes, Mexican clubs are more talented and have deeper rosters, but that the divide is not by "miles" and that I fully expect Houston and Columbus to progress to the next rounds. If Landin could play for Houston in CONCACAF (he is cup tied), I would even insert them as favorites (assuming they could hold on to Holden and Rico for the entirety of the tournament).

By the way, if anyone in the DCU front office is reading: it is time to start taking chances. Play your starters every game. You are damaging the DC United brand and embarassing both the fans and the league with these bush-league lineups. And by the way, many fans view CONCACAF as more important than MLS and US Open Cup.

Posted by: hoyanick1 | August 27, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The Mexican league is like the EPL, a few rich teams dominate the league, so the top Mexican teams and MLS teams are not on an even playing field but the weaker teams in the MLS would dominate the weak teams in the Mexican league.

It's all relative.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | August 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

mexican league is way better.

last night it was obvious even if our first team was out there. they moved the ball well. one touch passing. they knew what to do with the ball. well orchestrated. we just ran around in circles. every time one of our players got the ball it ended after 4-5 touch dance around in a circle then back pass. i remember one play on a counter attack for them they had 4 players up the field in seconds and after 3 passes had a real scoring chance.
our counter attack is mute due to age and lack of speed.
i am very frustrated watching sub par players. people like mctavish janicki allen john and burch should be sent to usl 2 teams.

Posted by: castroviejo | August 27, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

It is both eye opening and depressing to watch MLS teams struggle against not only Mexican teams but obscure CONCACAF clubs. If we are going to play in these competitions -- and I think MLS should -- the league really needs to increase the salary cap and upgrade the depth and quality of our squads. Right now it is embarrassing to watch MLS teams play so poorly.

Posted by: popoki08 | August 27, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Concerning a different part of the game day experience, my friends and I, who sit in section 230 (which is supposed to be all DC United fans) were berated the entire game by Toluca fans, including having beer and shirts thrown at us. My friend wrote his perspective on it on his blog. I am not trying to gain publicity for the link, rather just get people's opinions on this occurrence. I will write my own account later. Here is the link: http://futbolnation.blogspot.com/2009/08/fans-prove-that-azteca-etiquette.html

Posted by: dosacero | August 27, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Please! The Mexican league is way in front of us when it comes to their level. They should be. They have been around for a long freaking time and are the major game in town... The sponsors pump in a lot of money.

Posted by: yankiboy | August 27, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

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