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Thursday Open House

I'm flying home from Mexico City, so the floor is yours.

To get things started, here's how the CONCACAF standings look after six of 10 matches for each country:

Costa Rica: 4-2-0, 12 points (even goal difference)
Honduras 3-2-1, 10 (+4)
United States: 3-2-1, 10 (+3)
Mexico 3-3-0, 9 (-1)
El Salvador 1-3-2, 5 (-2)
T&T 1-3-2, 5 (-4)

SEPT. 5
El Salvador at USA
T&T at Honduras
Mexico at Costa Rica
SEPT. 9
USA at T&T
Costa Rica at El Salvador
Honduras at Mexico

By Steve Goff  |  August 13, 2009; 6:30 AM ET
Categories:  CONCACAF  
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Comments

...perhaps we should've subbed a defensive guy when davies came off?

very disappointing not to get the draw having gone that far. Oh well, looks like we have some "easier" matches coming up

Posted by: wordup1 | August 13, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

Its no longer the WC 2010 cycle...its the countdown until we get a new manager.

Posted by: arswift24 | August 13, 2009 8:04 AM | Report abuse

Ugh.. That late goal was a buzz-killer last night...

We need to figure out how to win in atmospheres like Azteca and Saprissa, otherwise we will advance out of the group stages in the WC maybe one in five cycles in the future. I really feel like our program has advanced enough where "tough atmposhere" is no longer an excuse to sit back and play the way we did/have in games like the one yesterday.

I wonder if the "atmosphere" was the main contributer to Donovan's poor performance, and if "atmposhere" is the reason why he hasn't been able to make it in Europe. Especially concerning was his reaction to the stuff being thrown at him in that late corner by the US, I wonder if that was an indicator to him being bugged overall by the Azteca experience.

Posted by: rademaar | August 13, 2009 8:05 AM | Report abuse

We must beat T&T and El Salvador soundly to even have a chance. T&T is going to be real tough on the road because they have Zamora from Fulham now. At least Gooch will be back for that game.

Posted by: no_recess | August 13, 2009 8:22 AM | Report abuse

yesterday's results certainly tightened things up quite a bit.

Posted by: fedssocr | August 13, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

USA vs T&T on TNT? Or USA?

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Gutted.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | August 13, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

USA vs T&T on TNT? Or USA?

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

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Both of the next two matches are on ESPN Classic.

Posted by: beach3 | August 13, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Apparently beach3 missed that one joedoc...nice!

Posted by: rss317 | August 13, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Not really worried about qualifying for SA 2010. I am more worried about our team's approach / demeanor away from US soil. While we've made improvements, we need to continue to improve as far as governing matches abroad, not just surviving them.

We used to celebrate mere survival outside of the US. If we want to grow and prosper internationally, we gotta start putting a stamp - a positive one - on each game we play, regardless of location.

We'll qualify, Mexico may well too, tho their path is tougher by far than ours. I'm more worried in this case about what'll come in 2010 when we get matched up against some other powers. We cannot repeat 2006.

Posted by: 22206no1 | August 13, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I want wins.

Posted by: sitruc | August 13, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Any chance Paul Tenorio is going to check in on DCU and give up some team notes? Give me an injury report!

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Do we expect anyone to drop below El Salvador or T&T in the standings? I think the question here isn't "are we going to qualify" but "will we get stuck with a play-in game to qualify".

If you plan on a lot of matches ending tied, or Mexico dropping off in form, I figure we'll need 8 more points and a good differential out of the four matches left to stay out of fourth. That means beating ES and T&T with routs and tying Honduras and Costa Rica. But we play Costa Rica at home in October, so we'll be looking to win then.

Ideally we would want 9 or 10 more points in case Honduras or Mexico catch fire, which means three wins and one tie.

Bottom line, we now control our own fate.

Posted by: Rosslyn45 | August 13, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I'm not worried about qualifying. What worries me is that these two losses to Mexico will cause FIFA to give them the automatic seed as a "group leader", as was done last time. That would force us into the draw, and potentially, into the "Group of Death", again.

Posted by: pecanturtle | August 13, 2009 9:52 AM | Report abuse

I wonder if Goff bought any of those t-shirts he tweeted about.

Posted by: sitruc | August 13, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Let's just get back on track with a win over El Salvador, then take it from there. Hope the folks in SLC are psyched to get behind the team that afternoon!

Posted by: Kev29 | August 13, 2009 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I waited a day to let the emotions stew a little before posting my true observations on the game.

- Aguirre plain and simple outcoached Bradley. That's a simple fact. Mexico employed the perfect gameplan. They took advantage of the fact that the US does not use width, that our weakest players on the pitch were our wide-backs, and that our primary means for transition are Donovan and Dempsey operating ahead of Bradley in Clark pinched in towards the center of the field. They operated in a 3-back system (which didn't hurt them because the US rarely attacks down the flanks), 3 central middies (which allowed them to effectively thwart our transition through Donovan and Dempsey WITHOUT sacrificing their two most dangerous attackers -- Guardado and Dos Santos -- defensively), then used said attackers by nearly exclusively having them run at Cherundolo and Bocanegra (more at Cherundolo). I'm actually a huge fan of Bradley's formation, but ONLY when he uses 2 speed options up top, and primarily when the opposing team is running a traditional 4-4-2. Mexico did not, and Bradley should have adjusted at halftime to counter Mexico's formation.

- Even with that formation, Donovan still showed his magic early in the game. The production crews showing that game clearly don't know the sport very well, because whenever they showed replays of the goal, they only showed the slipped pass and finish. The real magic was the way Donovan turned his defender on his first touch and exploded into the minimal space their midfielders allowed. Nobody else on the roster can do that. Nobody. Couple that with his vision and touch on that pass, and you realize why Donovan is on a level that no US player before him has reached. His performance the rest of the game didn't replicate that one movement, however.

- Davies is a star in the making up top. In every imaginable way, he completely outshined Ching. Defensively included.

- Ching deserved no higher than a 2 rating for that match. And I honestly came into the game giving Ching the benefit of the doubt. He hurt the US by being on the field.

- The worst players on the field were Bocanegra, Ching, and Cherundolo. Not surprising, these are also 3 of the US's most tenured players. Experience means nothing when that experience is consistently getting the crap kicked out of you at a certain venue. If you go into a place where you have a bad history, you do NOT stick with the same guys that you consistently lose with at that place. If it's a straight toss-up between Cherundolo/Spector or Ching/Altidore, you go with the fresh blood there. I thought this would have been obvious for Bradley (of course, I am talking about Bradley here).

Posted by: psps23 | August 13, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

I don't think any CONCACAF team is on pace to get a seed at this point, pecanturtle. They don't automatically give seeds to the CONCACAF "winner".

Posted by: the_slammer | August 13, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Bottom line, we now control our own fate.
Posted by: Rosslyn45
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You're watching too much cliche TV.

>>>>>>>>>
USA vs T&T on TNT? Or USA?
Posted by: joedoc1
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You're watching too much comedy central.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 9:59 AM | Report abuse

That would force us into the draw, and potentially, into the "Group of Death", again.

Posted by: pecanturtle | August 13, 2009 9:52 AM

Or South Africa's group. So you never know - that's why they call it a draw. We got a tough group last time - and 2002, as it turned out (a semi-finalist, quarter-finalist, Portugal and a Poland team that thrashed us). I'm not sweating it, you have to play well to advance, no matter what group you get.

Just beat El Salvador. Baby steps.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 13, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

We are now in third place in concacaf. Can I start throwing things now?

The problem is, I think that the talent in the US soccer pool has grown substantially since the 98 world cup, and that US coaches have greatly benefited from that. I do think Arena was a very good coach, but one who reached his limit and couldn't lead us out of the group of death.

Bob Bradley and his biggest fan, Sunil Gulati are hiding behind the fact that we Do have players that can not only soldier on, but actually make it through the group stages on a consistent basis. Progress is their shield. As long as "business" is good, we are never going to see the change in the fundamental flaw in US soccer.

If you ask a US fan what a great team needs, "heart" is almost Always the first thing mentioned. But any successful person in any business, sport, industry will tell you candidly that you have to have talent, or you're just another guy.

Ask Brazil, or any team you respect, and they will go on about skill, and passion, and might even mention something about poetry. We don't have to be Brazil, but for god sake,

seek out what you need. And if he's sitting on your bench (Torres and Feilhaber centrally, Holden out wide) PUT them on the field.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | August 13, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

We must beat T&T and El Salvador soundly to even have a chance.
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I doubt goals are going to come into play here. However, draws would be devastating. We can afford no more than one draw or loss in the last four games, if we're going to be in the top 3. Unless we run the table, including winning on the road in Honduras, qualification will probably come down to the last game @ RFK.

Unless there are lots of draws, 19 points is probably going to be the cut-off for the top 3. A lot may depend on what happens when CR hosts Mexico -- but, unless some team in the top 4 hits a really bad patch, each is likely to win at least 2 more games, with Mexico capable of winning all 4. So, the USA really does need to come out with 6 points in the next 2 games (neither figure to be easy), but that won't be enough. Even adding in a draw in Honduras won't be enough, though that might be the result that might bring a goals tiebreaker into play.

Yesterday's results -- Mexico's win and Honduras thrashing of Costa Rica -- really throws qualification up for grabs.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Hey guys, atleast the U.S. National Team isn't as bad as the Natinals.


That's a plus, right?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 10:21 AM | Report abuse

The biggest game we have left on our schedule is at T&T. A win there and we are golden (we will win out at home, and lose at Honduras). A tie at T&T and we're grasping for some help. A loss there and we're HOSED. I can see Hon, Mex, and CR all gaining 9 points out of their remaining games so we better take care of biznassss on the island.

Posted by: Hoost | August 13, 2009 10:22 AM | Report abuse

From the DC United twitter feed:

Forward Adam Smarte is training with the team today and tomorrow on trial. He was with San Jose in 2008 and Ventura County (PDL) in '09.

Posted by: addick | August 13, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

thanks addick, do you mind swinging by RFK and getting an injury report?
thanks brother.;-)

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Is DC going to Get Smarte? Can he maintain CONTROL of the ball and minimize the KAOS up front?

Gotta go, my shoe is ringing.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

yes, 270, and he will pair with Jaime . . . a/k/a Agent 99 . . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | August 13, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I-270Exit1,

Weren't you just accusing someone of watching bad TV?

Posted by: UnitedDemon | August 13, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Reporting from Camp Itchy-Goonie-Nooniee-Wa-Wa....

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Injury report from DCU (as of 8/11)

Probable: Bryan Namoff (hamstring strain), Santino Quaranta (hamstring strain)

Out: Boyzzz Khumalo (broken radius), Ange N'Silu (hamstring strain)

Season Ending Injury: Brandon Barklage (anterior cruciate ligament surgery)

Posted by: emanon13 | August 13, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

and Olsen is out due to yellow card accumulation

Posted by: emanon13 | August 13, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Did someone say "99"?!

"99
I've been waiting so long
Oh 99
Where did we go wrong
Oh 99
I love you

99
I keep breaking your heart
Oh 99
How can we be apart
Oh 99
I love you..."

(Toto, circa 1979)

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I know someone requested it before, but can someone recommend a good trainer to DCU? What's the deal with these constant hammy injuries?

Posted by: nairbsod | August 13, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Did everyone get the TV reception they were bargaining for? I went to the Chinatown Fado early, because I hadn't yet had lunch. It is a good thing I did, because the staff seemed totally oblivious to the situation with Telemundo and mun2. After I explained things to them, they scrambled and made sure they knew how to pick up mun2. I got the distinct impression that left to their own devices, they were going to have the Telemundo Spanish-language feed on their screens when everyone arrived.

BTW, the England-Netherlands match was a good one.

Posted by: universityandpark | August 13, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

It's a shame, that right now when the USMNT has great players, the USMNT does not have a good manager. I think Bradley is a decent manager, but only when we have a manager like Capello (that knows how to spot talent, build a team from scratch, and knows how to be a good tactician) is when the USMNT has a chance to be a real World Cup Soccer contender. I am not necessarily saying that the USNMT needs a foreign manager, but needs someone better suited for the job than Bradley.

Posted by: fedster | August 13, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I like some of the comments, good to see people finally having a voice about soccer here in the states.

I think the US played relatively well yesterday, given the circumstances. Obviously they were not able to come out on top, but there are more factors at work than just gameplay (although Mexico did seriously outplay the US through the second half).

As all the media outlets were reporting before, during and after the match, the stadium and fans played a huge role in the outcome. It's no coincidence that the US has never won a game in Estadio Azetca. I like this article describing the experience there:

http://soccer.fanhouse.com/2009/08/13/us-fanhouse-battle-azteca/

But overall, it is not too discouraging for the US. They played well in the first half despite an almost no-show from Dempsey. If the top players on the roster can show up to play, then I like our chances of qualifying and going far in the World Cup.

Posted by: csesno | August 13, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

It's quiet now because DC is in "August recess" - a 6 day break between 2 very busy stretches in the schedule.

Leading up to the exhibition w Real Madrid last Sunday, DC played 7 games in 22 games including travel to California, Houston and El Salvador. Starting with Saturday's game in Toronto the team will play 10 days in 31 games including travel to Toronto, Honduras, Chicago, Dallas, and Trinidad.

Right now we're not hearing too much from the team because Emilio, Santino, Namoff and all the guys are back home during this recess holding town meetings to explain health care legislation to their constituents.

They are saying that DC's injury situation doesn't seem to be too bad right now. But the trainers and the team need to keep everyone from getting overburdened. It also wouldn't hurt to pass a bill allowing a bit more depth on the team roster.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | August 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I think last night's result illustrates even more that, while it was a great win, the Spain match was a bit of a fluke.

Holding off Mexico -- even at Azteca -- is not as difficult as containing Spain. It was Spain's lack of finishing, and some great US goalkeeping and defending, that kept the US alive that game.

That was missing last night. Mexico had FAR fewer chances to score last night than Spain did in SA. Interestingly, we had more scoring opportunities against Spain than against Mexico.

My fear is that the Spain game taught the US coaching staff and players that they can get a lead and hold on while the waves crash over the deck (been watching too much Deadliest Catch). Not a good lesson to learn.

I'd like for the US Coaching staff to develop the philosophy of "always attack," and to pass that mindset down through the youth national teams, the regional ODP teams, and the state ODP teams. At some point, we'll begin developing the attacking players we need to compete regularly with the top teams in the world.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Steve said "Open House," so...

August recess also means that the politicians are back home, blaming Washington, DC for everything that's wrong in America.

DC does not have a vote in Congress, so each of the 535 Senators and Representatives is from "outside the beltway" (figuratively speaking). So isn't it ironic that they are the ones responsible for the "inside the beltway" attitudes that they love to criticize?

At least the traffic is lighter and my commute is faster whenever they go away.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

DadRyan:

MLSnet updated the league-wide list Tuesday: http://web.mlsnet.com/stats/injuries.jsp

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I was expecting the various levels of disappointment (ranging from "frustrated" to "jumped off the ledge"), but not necessarily the pessimism about qualifying. Let's take a look at the schedule:

Round 7 - Mexico @ Costa Rica, T&T @ Honduras, El Salvador @ USA
Round 8 - Costa Rica @ El Salvador, USA @ T&T, Honduras @ Mexico

This is very comforting reading, especially when you go a touch further and see that our game after that is at T&T (by far the easiest road game we face, and a game that I'd say we win 7 of 10 times). I'd say El Salvador travels the worst of any team in the Hex, so they're really the ideal opponent to bounce back with in Utah.

Our upcoming games, at this crucial stage, are easily the most favorable of anyone in the Hex. Costa Rica travels poorly and faces a ferocious atmosphere in El Salvador, and their home game is against Mexico. Honduras has to play at the Azteca. Mexico plays 2 of the 4 realistic contenders to advance, one of whom will host them on turf. Meanwhile, we host the worst-traveling team in the Hex (El Salvador) and our away game is in by far the easiest atmosphere (T&T).

It's well within the realm of possibility that we find ourselves in first a month from today. Costa Rica and Mexico could draw at Saprissa, and Honduras faces a predictable set of results, with an easy win over El Salvador and a loss at Mexico, that would leave them on 13. If Costa Rica then failed to win at El Salvador, we'd be atop the group (USA 16, CR no more than 14, Honduras 13, Mexico 13). I don't think any of these outcomes are even a stretch. In fact, other than Costa Rica-Mexico, I think they're all the most likely result in each fixture (my gut tells me Costa Rica will want to banish their embarrassment after the 4-0 loss with a strong showing against Mexico).

Things have tightened, but we're in arguably the best spot of anyone (since Costa Rica has only one "easy" game left, home vs. T&T). That said, Costa Rica is the only team with realistic hopes of clinching before round 10. That would actually be great for us, since our final game is against them at RFK. Getting a Ticos side that is already in would be much better than both teams needing the result.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | August 13, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

USA vs T&T on TNT? Or USA?
Posted by: joedoc1
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Hahaha, I just had 1990 World Cup on TNT flashbacks

Posted by: ZidVicious | August 13, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

The most surprising thing about this qualification cycle isn't the fact that the US is in third after 6 games (or Mexico being in 4th), it's the fact that teams like Honduras and Costa Rica have earned points and show no signs of stopping. I think it's ludicrous to expect more than a tie for us in Honduras, and a win at T&T is by no means guaranteed. Factor in the worst team in the group - El Salvador - gave us a hellish time at their place, and the CONCACAF hex is no longer the cakewalk we expected. So, while it's one thing to say "We should be beating CONCACAF teams," it's worth noting that some of these CONCACAF teams are getting pretty damn tough.

Posted by: ZidVicious | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

re: What worries me is that these two losses to Mexico will cause FIFA to give them the automatic seed as a "group leader", as was done last time.
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The seeding in the World Cup is based on performance in the last 3 World Cups and of late the FIFA rankings. In 2006, they gave points based on your finish in 2002, 1998 and 1994. 2002 finish was multiplied by 3, 1998 by 2 and 1994 by 1. Then they divided that number by 6 to get half of your standing. Then they took the 32 teams that qualified and gave them points based on their standings in the FIFA ranking at the time of the draw. That was the other half of the value. They added those two up and that's how they got the seeds. We were in the running for a seed in 2006 because our high finish in 2002 counted so much and we had a solid world ranking. But if they use the same type formula they used in 2006, the US has no real shot at being a seed since our 2002 finish won't count as much and our 1998 and 2006 finishes were not that high. Better than not qualifying, but not enough to be a seed. Mexico could get a seed depending who else qualifies and their FIFA ranking at the time because they have made the round of 16 each of the last 3 world cups, which is more points. But most likely, the seeds for 2006 can already be guessed if they qualify - South Africa as host, Brazil, Germany, Italy, England, France, Spain and Argentina. If one of the 7 non-hosts doesn't qualify, then Mexico, the Dutch, Portugal, Sweden and maybe South Korea are going to be in the mix for a seed if they qualify.

Posted by: thrh1 | August 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@ Chest -- all true. There is no reason to abandon all hope. The point we're making is the USA cannot afford less than 6 points in the next 2 matches. Moreover, where we're at after those 2 matches isn't conclusive. We have to travel to Honduras and then host a Ticos side that ran us over @ Saprissa. It's not being pessimistic to point out that the situation is suddenly urgent, requiring at least 8 points, and probably 9, out the last four games.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

As for United's injury/roster issues. it's too bad Congress will be out of session as the transfer window closes. We could use a new 'cash for clunkers' bill to turn in N'Silu and maybe a Brazilian model or two, for shiny new strikers.....

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

And to think I had intended to talk about DCU only. Back on point...

nairbsod:

Check that link I just posted to the MLS injury report. Every single team in the league has at least one person listed with a muscle injury of some kind. It is extremely rare for any MLS club to have a stretch of more than a week without someone on the list with some kind of strain.

Hamstring strains often happen due to overuse, or tired players making awkward movements rather than doing things in the fashion their body is accustomed to. DCU has a heavy schedule; it's not exactly a mystery why 2 of our busiest players are recovering from such a problem.

If the trainers were doing poorly, we'd be less able to stage all these late surges, we'd have a longer injury list, and those on the list would be out longer. The injuries to Namoff and Quaranta caused them to miss one game, and it was a friendly. This is much different from seeing someone out with a strain for 2 months, as happens on several teams. Claudio Suarez, for example, has been "out" with a calf strain since late April. That would be worrying; Namoff going from playing 90, to "out", to "probable" in under 2 weeks is not.

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Smarte played right back for SJ a couple of times last season. I believe it was because they had an injury crisis at the position. Whatever the reason, he looked very uncomfortable. He does, however, have the speed to play on the wing. I imagine his trial will be a direct comparison with Shipalane.

With the roster as is, I am guessing that the following things will happen:

1. N'Silu will be waived. Soehn clearly has no use for him, and with good reason. He has some potential, but he drifts out of most games and doesn't seem to try very hard. We don't need lazy, disinterested players right now.
2. Either a) Kocic is promoted to the senior roster or b) Shipalane/Smarte is offered a senior spot. The former seems much more likely.
3. In the case of Kocic getting the senior spot opened by N'Silu's departure, Shipalane/Smarte is offered the open developmental spot.

None of this has much to do with the Habarugira situation, since we have a senior spot for him with or without N'Silu. If Habarugira doesn't sign, I really hope we have another defender to call on, because that's our biggest need (both in terms of depth and improving our starters).

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | August 13, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

August recess also means that the politicians are back home, blaming Washington, DC for everything that's wrong in America.

DC does not have a vote in Congress, so each of the 535 Senators and Representatives is from "outside the beltway" (figuratively speaking). So isn't it ironic that they are the ones responsible for the "inside the beltway" attitudes that they love to criticize?

At least the traffic is lighter and my commute is faster whenever they go away.
Posted by: I-270Exit1
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and since colleges are on summer break parking is plentiful as well. it really is quite the pleasant town in august (except for that whole oppressive humidity thing)

Posted by: PindarPushkin | August 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

(been watching too much Deadliest Catch)
Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 11:36 AM
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Dude, you should Watch Whale wars on Amimal Planet. It's good theater. Also, the Japanese description of their activities as "research" and justifiable under the whaling moratorium is bogus (the US supports the moratorium). So even an arch conservative can root for the tree-... umm whale-huggers on this one.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

Not clear to me what position Smarte plays. Smarte is described as a forward, but he hasn't scored even in the PDL. The Ventura Fusion site has a lengthy piece on their PDL championship win on Tuesday night that says Smarte played as a defender, in place of someone else who started in their semifinal and is listed as a midfielder. In any case, it seems to me that Smarte may not even be a regular starter for his PDL side. It would be a stretch to expect him to contribute for United, even if he is incredibly fast. My money's on Tiyi Shipilane.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: rose-family1 | August 13, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Better research -- from the USL site -- Smarte played this season as a defender. He actually was the most capped defender on the team, with the second most minutes. It seems likely that DCU is looking at him as a defender. The question, then, is whether negotiations with Habarugira are at an impasse, or whether Smarte may be looked at as a replacement for someone currently on the roster.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I think is correct in Trecker's article is the spelling.

Posted by: JkR- | August 13, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Trecker is a broken record!

Basically, if the US continues to lose big games, the number of fans will dwindle. ALSO...Bob must be fired, and the US need to find a 'style.'

He says the same crap after every loss.

Posted by: arswift24 | August 13, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

(been watching too much Deadliest Catch)
Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 11:36 AM
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Dude, you should Watch Whale wars on Amimal Planet. It's good theater. Also, the Japanese description of their activities as "research" and justifiable under the whaling moratorium is bogus (the US supports the moratorium). So even an arch conservative can root for the tree-... umm whale-huggers on this one.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 12:12 PM
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I do have a soft heart for whales and baby seals.

I think you people are wearing me down! Next thing you know, I'll stop yelling at my congressmen at the next Town Hall meeting.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sorry 270, but this gun toting, deer hunting, conservative can't stand the tree huggers on Whale Wars. I watch it just to root for the whalers.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | August 13, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Nice, crippledkeeper. Now I know who to call when the earth's ecosystem collapses like a Bradley-led defensive shell.

Posted by: me_ahogo | August 13, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

What can I say? I just think that people shouldn't cry when someone tries to stop you from sabataging their boat or when someone comes onto your boat uninvited.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | August 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

While thrh1 is right there is a formula, I believe it changed in 2006 to only include the past two WC performances.

www.football-rankings.info is a great site that has formulated the seedings based on that criteria. According to that site, the Dutch right now are on the outside looking in, with the Mexies and the US far behind...

Posted by: EricB1 | August 13, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Question, I would like to know how our game was forced to switch REfs, while the Costa rica-honduras game kept the same ref? An el salvadorean ref for US vs Mexico would but just as bad as a mexican reffing a honduras vs costa rica match? Not sure if the ref could have or did intend to influence the game for ther home countries benefit, but concacaf needs to be more consistent, and from I am hearing the Ref for honduras vs costa rica was awful.

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 13, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the USA v Mexico game...I think the US is better now than we ever have been--or up there in quality. I think this was made evident in the Confederations Cup. Something needs to change, and I think the substitution changes BB made in the 2nd half were 100% predictable. If history is against us, I think going with what we always go with is not the right way to 'change' our losing record in Mexico. We needed to mix it up on the field and either change formation and/or style of play. One other question: who is supposed to be our play making midfielder? If it is Donovan, why did he play on the wing? I didn't see anyone really 'step it up' or take leadership on the field on Wed and this is also a problem.

Posted by: redskinsux | August 13, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

It's on your guitar commercial.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

What can I say? I just think that people shouldn't cry when someone tries to stop you from sabataging their boat or when someone comes onto your boat uninvited.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | August 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse
===================================

Agreed .. should save the tears for the realy big stuff . . . like big trees

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSEaHyzbqTA

Posted by: OWNTF | August 13, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Dear one, the world is waiting for the sunrise.
Ev'ry rose is covered with dew
And while the world is waiting for the sunrise
And my heart is calling you.

Les Paul, 1951

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | August 13, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

For the record, I don't have a TV.

Posted by: Rosslyn45 | August 13, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Concacaf refs are lousy. They always are intimidated by the home crowds, and they are always inconsistent. The ref stunk, but he didn't do anything that resulted in the two goals against us. While I think the Offside on Davies could easily have gone either way, we just looked lost in the second half. That's not the ref's fault.

Ah well, Mexico has the top two teams in the group in the next two games, and we have the bottom two. So, at least we can be a bit more optomistic than them.

Posted by: hacksaw | August 13, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, interesting you mentioned the second half offside against Davies. I watched on a grainy webfeed and couldn't tell if Davies was off or not. Did the Telemundo or MUN2 broadcasts have a better angle?

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | August 13, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

The offside call could have been given to the attacker, it was that close.

However, the linesman in the first half had called an equally close offside against Mex. He at least was consistent.

Posted by: JkR- | August 13, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Post Match Analysis

Intimidated Ref. Hostile crowd. Difficult opponent - they were a bunch of dirty rascals w/o any sporting qualities! Very poor play by USMNT for most of match. Mexico seemed to have plenty of space when attacking. US always seemed in frantic hurry to get rid of ball - not necessarily to their own team. No midfield presence at all. Donovan needs to play in the middle but needs help there. Farewell to Boca, Ching, Dempsey and one or two more. Thanks for your past contributions but you just don't seem able to keep up anymore. Bob Bradley - You need to drill your guys on ball possession and attacking. When moving w/o the ball, they should have some idea of what to do with it when they get it. Pass, dribble, shoot - tht's the name of the game. Hoping for better results but not feeling confident after yesterday's debacle - and that's what it was. Don't believe any of that moral victory crap. Cheers/ts

Posted by: tfshea | August 13, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Silly hippies...

Off-topic or On-topic? I have no idea, but does anyone know if tickets already went on sale for U.S. v Costa Rica at RFK in October? I assume not, since the U.S. Soccer website does not have a link and does not indicate sold out. I still think the game could have some drama, and I don't want to miss my chance to attend.

Posted by: Mixter | August 13, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

the good: Davies showed an intensity and determination i wasnt expecting. looks like he will be more than josh wolff 2.0.

telemundo was great. they were fair and pretty good. much better than the univision networks.

the bad: bocanegra (becomign very agoos at the end like), cherundolo's hair, mexican sportsmanship and the ref.

the worrisome: clint is showing signs of coming down with damarcus beasley.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | August 13, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

While I appreciate both emanon and Chest's league provided DCU injury report, I'm looking for something that's proved a little more accurate in the past. Did Tenorio not check in with DCU at training today for Goff? Is Luciano really ok? Still no confirmation that he was just cramping up on Sunday.


Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

My hammy's acting up today.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Sunil Gulati -- please take note: There are at least half a dozen commentators here who would be far better coaches than Bob Bradley. Clearly, they know better than Coach Bradley, who is an ignorant, frightened. retarded/conservative American boob.

Speaking of retarded conservatives, what's with those stupid hippy satires? Are they funny in some way I'm missing? No doubt these witty genuises have impressive intellectual arguments against death panels and official Hawaiian birth records.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

That WAS you, fischy, in that first video! Glad you were able to get down from the tree platform safely.

You need to flip on your humor button and lighten' up a bit. We're just having a bit of fun.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

When I lived on the coast, I cut down all the trees in front of my house because they blocked my view of the natural beauty of the whales.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

My humor button works just fine...I'm all for fun. Have all the fun you want. I was just wondering if someone thought those things were funny, or just kinda lame -- like almost everything on SNL for the last 15-20 years.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Since I really don't want to re-live my disappointment I have/will continue to withholding my usual thoughts about the game.

I must say Chest_Rockwells optimism regarding the world cup qualifying picture is accurate. Think clearly people.

The real question is when is CONCACAF and FIFA going to do something to punish the Mexican Futbol Association? Every time I turn of a game of theirs I have to witness the most disgraceful sportsmanship ever. I am not even talking about their players, or their "kicking incident" from the coach. Why is it acceptable for Donovan to be belted with debris when he takes a corner kick? Why is it acceptable during the Panama Gold Cup game for the Mexican fans to throw "missiles" at the player leaving the field?

FIFA/CONCACAF must step in and punish Mexico. Its starting to be outrageous. I mean in the UCL semi-final between Inter v Milan a few yrs back an Inter fan threw a flair and hit Dida in the head. Inter had to play next yrs European games behind closed doors. Just one object was thrown! Donovan took about 20 objects, then naturally played in a terrible corner.

All I am asking for is consistency, and if you never punish them, they will never learn. Azteca should be played at empty for 4 or 5 games.

Posted by: grubbsbl | August 13, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

what fischy? You missed last years season of SNL obviously. Best season in the last 15-20 years without a doubt.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I am chaining myself to this blog until fischy pledges to stop killing joedoc's joy. MURDERER! MURDERER!

Posted by: OWNTF | August 13, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

"thats what she said"

Posted by: Norteno4life | August 13, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know where Andy Mead's photos from yesterday's match are?

Posted by: btwigg | August 13, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

When I lived on the coast, I cut down all the trees in front of my house because they blocked my view of the natural beauty of the whales.

Posted by: I-270Exit1

Just like Daniel Snyder! He probably could have gotten you killer seats for DCU-RM.

I had the memories of the last 80 minutes of yesterday's game wiped from my memory Total Recall-style, so as far as I'm concerned, the U.S. team is in great shape and we have no worries about qualifying or the fact that we can't move the ball through midfield against decent opposition or the fact that Dempsey just up and disappears from entire games fairly often (how was he the 3rd best player in the Confed Cup again?).

i guess maybe we looked better yesterday than Mexico did in Columbus back in February? i am with Chest and others in the "not panicking yet" category, but if we struggle with ES or T&T and Mexico gets a point @ Saprissa and then wins their next 2 at home, it's going to be white-knuckle time.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | August 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jonah_freedman/08/13/usa.mexico/

This writer has impressed me lately, and I fully agree with him.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | August 13, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

joedoc1:

I look forward to the day when the two sides of the political spectrum can sit across from each other and scream, without forming words, until both pass out.

redskinsux:

The subs might have been somewhat predictable (though I didn't see Holden getting in as early as he did), but it's not like Bradley has a bench full of game-changers. He brought on the guys that are in form. Feilhaber and Holden manufactured our best move of the 2nd half (Feilhaber's diagonal ball to Holden, whose cross just barely missed Davies). With Torres not at his best right now (he's no longer a sure starter at Pachuca, last I checked), what else was he supposed to do? It'd be nice if, say, Adu had a settled club situation and was playing regularly, or if Kljestan wasn't a shell of himself, but that's not the case.

As for your closing question, Bradley doesn't like to go with one central playmaker. He never has; even in MLS, he pushed Guevara to the left and gave him the freedom to drift inside. What Bradley wants is a set up where playmaking duties are shared between multiple players. You're right that no one stepped up; Donovan's disappearance (given how much he enjoys playing Mexico and his current form) was especially troubling, but I don't think the formation had much to do with it on this occasion.

tfshea:

I've seen calls for Bocanegra being dropped before, and the zeitgeist is to always criticize Ching no matter what happens, but the Dempsey one is new to me. It would be one thing if we had someone waiting in the wings to challenge him, but he's an entirely unique player for us and fully deserves his starting job.

Also, I believe your mention of the loss being a moral victory is the first I've read anywhere online, or heard from any people in real life. It was a loss; not a debacle, not a moral victory. I guess by saying this I'm contradicting my claim to joedoc, but whatever happened to shades of gray?

joedoc (again):

You pulled your hamstring? I blame your trainer. Fire everyone.

grubbsbl:

While I'd enjoy Mexico playing without a crowd, throwing a flare is a much more serious offense than throwing what looked like movie theater soda cups. Inter's fans had also pulled some ridiculous stuff (tossing a motor scooter off the upper deck, for example) before UEFA came down on them.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | August 13, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

@ Anyone

Any word on the eligibility of Jermaine Jones to transfer from the German pool to the USA?

Posted by: carnack | August 13, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@Chest: I just fired my hammy.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I've done all I can to increase Steve's hit count today. Headin' home to cut down my beautiful Crape Myrtle tree to make room for my "No Socialized Health Care!" sign. I do, however, promise to sing to "Myrtle" before taking the first wack at her...

Peace (through strength),

Joe Doc

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

@Chest: I just fired my hammy.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 4:45 PM

Animal hater!

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | August 13, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@grubbsbl:

FIFA/CONCACAF do not like coming down on Mexico because of the money they generate for matches. Officials are highly intimidated by them because of the backlash that could happen if Mexico were to get punished for something "they didn't do. (shrugs shoulder)". If part of the team were to get punished, you know the fans would backlash by refusing to attend FIFA sanctioned matches in protest. Thus losing money. Or backlash at the opposition even more with object throwing.

its just a theory but I don't doubt it.


I wonder what the ref was thinking after the match when he got to the locker room...
he'd probably stood in front of a mirror and said...

"your one mean ref...great game..."
then he proceeds to flex his pistols and practice his card giving stance...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 13, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

There were clearly a number of mistakes from Bradley, but to me the unforgivable one was with 15 minutes left why put it Altidore or Davies? I said so at the time, put in Spector for some fresh legs and let Dempsey run along up top. Bradley has no strategic brain. With 15 minutes left you have to think we're taking 1 point out of here and taking 2 away from Mexico period. Sorry Bradley lovers, but he is out of his depth here.

Posted by: restonhoops | August 13, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

i am with Chest and others in the "not panicking yet" category, but if we struggle with ES or T&T and Mexico gets a point @ Saprissa and then wins their next 2 at home, it's going to be white-knuckle time.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | August 13, 2009 4:28 PM
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If the USA doesn't win both the ES and T&T game, it will be almost too late to panic. If we don't win both of those games, we will have to something much harder and almost improbable. The USA would have to go to Honduras and pick up a win, and then beat CR at RFK.

Of course, that's just to avoid the playoff against CONMEBOL. But, if we can't beat El Salvador or T&T, then we're not likely to beat the 5th place team from CONMEBOL (currently Ecuador). Which is why I say it is already white-knuckle time. The USA cannot afford anything less than 6 points from the ES and T&T games.

@Chest -- Criticizing Dempsey is new to you? Where have you been during the WCQs? For that matter, where has Dempsey been during the WCQs? He's a real talent to be sure -- the Confederations Cup proved that. But, the question remains why he's been almost invisible in this round of WCQs. The only plays that really stand out are his giveaways, like the one that cost us a goal against Honduras.

Clearly, what the Mexican fans are doing is not dangerous in the way that throwing burning flares can be, but their behavior has become outrageous -- more so because it's no longer just isolated. It's become routine for many of the Mexican fans. I hate to psycho-analyze an entire country, but the players and the coaches are a bit out-of-control, too. If you think I'm overstating it, look at the last two games against the USA: The fight in the tunnel in Columbus, and the physical assaults on Davies as he lay injured and on Onyewu both times he held the ball anticipating a USA direct kick. FIFA and/or CONCACAF really do need to do something to try and rein in these embarrassing displays.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@Chest: I just fired my hammy.

Posted by: joedoc1 | August 13, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

What did joedoc order the last time he went to Denny's?

"Moon Over My Hammy."

Posted by: SportzNut21 | August 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The Bradley-bashers need to make up their collective minds. Did we lose because we played too defensively and conservatively, or did we lose because Bradley didn't go deep enough into a defensive shell in the second half, bringing on offensive-minded players like Holden and Altidore?

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

"the physical assaults on Davies as he lay injured "

They were trying to make him stand up. I didn't like what they did either, but you're definitely over-huevoing the breakfast burrito. It's ironic though, because the Mexican players are the kings of time wasting when they're ahead. Sadly this seems to be true for most South of the Border teams I've seen.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

@I-270 -- I've seen the scene many times before. The opposing player tries to grab the downed players arms and pull him up. I can't say I recall ever seeing anyone bend over the downed player, grab the back of his head and try to pull him up that way. That's a helluva breach of personal space.

I've seen scenes like the ones with Onyewu before. But, twice in a game?

I get that it has been a stressful time to be a Mexican player and a Mexican fan (the disappointing results under Sven), and that games against the USA have particularly huge impact on the national psyche...and I get that there was real do-or-die desperation for the Mexicans to win yesterday...but they've got to dial it down a few notches, players and fans alike.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Nery Castillo will get his...
all in a matter of time before someone can re-arrange his unibrown.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

"over-huevoing the breakfast burrito"

Bien hecho!

Posted by: Reignking | August 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

@ Anyone

Any word on the eligibility of Jermaine Jones to transfer from the German pool to the USA?


Posted by: carnack | August 13, 2009 4:40 PM |


The paperwork has been filed, he should be eligible by October 2nd, and by then his current shin injury should be fully healed, with him good to go by the Costa Rica match at RFK (which I may be going to, with Europe in the spring now officially out of the picture.)


As for the Davies incident, by far my biggest problem with that was when Torrado grabbed Benny by the neck for more than just a quick stab, and only got a yellow. Simply rediculous.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 13, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Has any soccer player ever put a hockey-style bobble-head beating on an opposing player? How many games would that cost him? "US substitution in the 89th minute, Donald Brashear on for Landon Donovan."

Posted by: OWNTF | August 13, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Has any soccer player ever put a hockey-style bobble-head beating on an opposing player? How many games would that cost him? "
****
I was really, really hoping Ronaldo would pull one too many step-overs on Bennie Sunday. I would have chipped in to pay his fine.

(And no, I'm not bitter. Even when he played for Man Utd I disliked him.)

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | August 13, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 13, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Cantona! And you wonder why I'm a Mancosnob.

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | August 13, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

WashDips, I could of really done without some of those offensive lyrics. I don't consider myself to be a prude, but my gosh, thats a bit beyond bad taste.

Posted by: SonicDeathMonkey | August 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I like how on Sportscenter they interviewed Landon after the game and bascially said that Mexico won because their 2nd goal was luck.

hahahahahahaha. I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Luck.

If by luck, Landon must've meant that they got outplayed for a good 75 minutes or so.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 13, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

The issue wouldn't be the FIFA fine/ban, but the criminal and civil charges which would surely follow.

Posted by: alecw81 | August 13, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

"US substitution in the 89th minute, Donald Brashear on for Landon Donovan."

Posted by: OWNTF | August 13, 2009 6:23 PM |
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Well played. Though, I think an enforcer substitution would have been more appropriate in the Gold Cup final...especially after the Mexicans ran up the score with a fifth goal.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

@JacobfromAtlanta-ish

Where did you get the information about Jones from? Are you sure it is accurate?

Posted by: no_recess | August 13, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

what chest said.

Posted by: nairbsod | August 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I"m actually very confused right now about the new FIFA rule. IN that link above, Gulati suggests that Jones could become elegible "August 2, 60 days after the rule change came into effect." Originally, I read the rule change would not go into effect until Oct. 2, six months after the vote. But, Gulati held a press conference call recently, and seemed to correct himself:

"On Jermaine Jones and Edgar Castillo:
“In the case of Jermaine Jones, I believe the paperwork has already been submitted to FIFA for a change of eligibility. I’m not sure in the last couple or three days if the final paperwork has been submitted for Edgar Castillo. We have talked with Edgar and his representatives. I met him very briefly in Boston when he was there with (Tigres), so his views as we have had them expressed directly by the player and his agent are those that have been outlined in the media. He prefers to play for the U.S. There’s really nothing new to add when that’s possible, which I think would be after October 2 rather than August 2. It’s up to Bob Bradley when he would want to bring him in for a look and possible participation with the U.S. team.”

So, it seems he now believes that October 2nd, not August 2nd, is the correct date. However, T&T was planning to bring in Bobby Zamora and another player for yesterday's game, after getting them T&T citizenship and passports -- only to have that scuttled, supposedly because they didn't get their passports in time to be eligible.

So, I'm confused....

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Beating a dead horse but really?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/AR2009081302919.html?wprss=rss_metro

Where are Fisher and Nakamura (sp?) and all the other Washington Post writers who were screaming about public financing for Poplar Point?

Now the city gives $206 million to one of the most profitable companies in the District with no questions asked to develop some of the most expensive land on the East Coast?

That $206 million probably would have secured the development of Poplar Point and a big chunk of Anacostia that actually needs the money.

Posted by: Southeasterner | August 13, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Fischy: Maybe (hopefully) I can clear it up, the players that have played after the age of 21 in non FIFA-sanctioned matches (basically, not confederation championships, qualifiers, confed cup, world cup) for one nation can put in their paperwork now, the rule goes into effect on August 2nd, and there's a 60 day waiting period after that to be eligible, meaning October 2nd.

The case with the T&T players is that they hadn't played with a national team after turning 21, and had family ties to T&T (in the case of Zamora, his father), and recieved passports, and were automatically eligible to play.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 13, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Section117 | August 13, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Got it from Beckham

Posted by: me_ahogo | August 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Screw whale wars, and the rogue waves crashing over the deck on Deadliest Catch... It's all about Bully Beatdown! The new season has arrived and the "King of Tustin" is about to get it.
Can't wait for the new season of Fantasy Factory! MTV is really speaking to the late 20's/early 30 somethings nowadays... They just re-aired the STeve-O rehab story thing which is crazy if you haven't seen it yet.. talk about Party Boy... Nitrous Addiction is NUTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
did someone seriously mention stadium news?

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@Jacob -- Thanks for clearing that up. I overlooked the whole question of Zamora's age when he played for England. Of course -- he's eligible under the prior rule, which contained the 21 cutoff.

@Southeasterner -- Conventioneers are more fun and give more money to politicians than soccer fans. Actually, the Marriott Marquis is probably a great idea -- so good that it's hard to understand why it needs any public financing. Just because DC United needs a little help in getting financing doesn't mean the soccer stadium isn't also a great idea -- but, I probably don't need to convince anyone here about that. In fact, the Marriott would be just a couple of blocks from the green line. A perfect place for out-of-town soccer fans to stay when they're in town to see big matches against DC United in a stadium by the Anacostia metro station.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Well now we know why Landon was meh:

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/grant_wahl/posts/74041-landon-donovan-has-h1n1-flu-virus

Posted by: Section117 | August 13, 2009 9:35 PM |
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I hope he gave the virus to everyone on El Tri...the mild version, of course.

Posted by: fischy | August 13, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, it's more likely that he gave it to the rest of the USMNT. Time to call back the Gold Cup squad.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 13, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

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