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USA-Mexico LIVE!

Guys, here's the live chat...let's get things rolling.

By Paul Tenorio  |  August 12, 2009; 3:55 PM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , Mexico , U.S. men's national team  
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Is that Davies' first in a US kit?

Posted by: vivzig | August 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

1-0 usa

Posted by: richardgovea | August 12, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse


Lots of time left, though, and we've looked pretty good so far.

Posted by: wocoliz | August 12, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Good, hell! We need to generate some offense.

Posted by: vivzig | August 12, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Demeritt with a yellow.

Posted by: vivzig | August 12, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

This sucks--why are we letting them get away with such a high line?

Posted by: vivzig | August 12, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Bocanegra with a yellow--that's at least 3 for the US now.

Posted by: vivzig | August 12, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Despite the score the US team is playing like crap. If this is Bradley's big contribution to US soccer no thanks.

For God's sake can a professional player making millions in Europe actually complete a 10 yard pass.

I have absolutely no idea what the US is trying to do except bunker in the penalty area.

Posted by: dcufan53 | August 12, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

After the goal, the US looked like a hockey team clearing the puck with a man down. It doesn't work the same way in soccer guys.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | August 12, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Onyeawo playing great. I just said a couple of weeks ago he has no footwork. He could actually play for AC if he keeps it up.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 12, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

3 defenders with YCs...what are the chances we end this game with 11 men?

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@ Icehippo
Good point but what worries me is defenders playing soft to avoid another yellow.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 12, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse


Yup...scary either way.

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Much better since the subs...

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

The officiating has been absolutely embarrassing.

Posted by: mediaman1976 | August 12, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

Boca looks totally gassed, and no more subs...

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic defense there by receding-hairline Donovan.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 12, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

Pretty silly that there were such soft yellows given out early in the game.

Bummer that mexico just scored, but you can't say they didn't deserve it. They were playing much better for most of the game. But nothing makes me more angry than watching that team succeed. I mean, they are just so darn dirty when they don't have to be. they are good players but they insist upon hacking, throwing elbows, diving, and trying to get our guys off their game. Why they persist in playing that way is beyond me.

Posted by: bigbadbri | August 12, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Gooch got caught flatfooted. He has to be goal side on that play. He cannot be stationed behind him. Huge mistake.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 12, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Whole lot of blame to go around on that goal...a tired US back line especially.

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Beer time.

Posted by: B_A_ | August 12, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Well, that's that. Sad that Davies had to be subbed...they really needed a fresh defender at the end. Ref was poor, but nothing egregious. In the end, Mexico played better and deserved the getting around it.

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

It was a game that the USA seemingly played without a midfield. How many touches did they have? I saw VERY few. And Bocanegra was terrible. The Mexicans had the ball the entire game, with plenty of room to play around with it. In view of all this, and despite the questionable card rulings, the Mexicans deserved the final result.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | August 12, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Mexico did not play better, the US had no imagination. Every ball they had was cleared all the way to the other side, and the midfield was non-existent. I have seen no improvement to this team at all.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | August 12, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

man that was some bad officiating...I just can't see how Nery walks away without a yellow..

o well..I guess FIFA cant bare too lose a money generater like Mexico to not qualify...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 12, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

I just don't understand why howard kept punting the ball down field giving up possesion. It was clear that this tactic wasn't working as the Mexican team kept wining the balls. This was a horribly coached game. And can we eliminate Ching all ready, The guy is uselss in International competition.

Posted by: SoccerGuru | August 12, 2009 6:02 PM | Report abuse

We consistently come away from these things questioning the lineups, tactics and changes.

Posted by: sitruc | August 12, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Davies did not have to be subbed. That was planned. Davies did not get hit, he was not being stretched on the field, he went down during a stoppage in play, and they wasted zero time getting Altidore on the field. That was an orchestrated break.

And it was an awful decision. He should never have been pulled. Dempsey was the one that needed to go.

Posted by: psps23 | August 12, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

This wasn't on the officiating. It may have been biased but that is to be expected on the road in a World Cup qualifier. The Mexicans were just the better team today.

I think the conditions had a lot to do with the poor US play today. Everyone looked gassed.

It stinks but it certainly isn't the end of the world either. They are still in very good shape with respect to qualifying.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 12, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Good: Davies...constant threat.
Defense except for Boca...pretty solid all around. Under assault all game...could have been much worse.

Bad: Entire midfield...Holden and Benny helped, but the starters were terrible. No possession, really screwed their defense.
Ching...enough already!

Meh: Howard...great shot stopping, but his distribution was terrible. Gave away way too many balls.
Coach Bradley: Great second half substitution, but again...Ching.

Posted by: icehippo | August 12, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Well guys, we won. At the end we both won. We will surely see each other back in SouthAfrica. And if at the end the USA faces another team I have clear I will be in the US side.
Octavio, Mexico.

Posted by: octaviotorres | August 12, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

This loss just set U.S. soccer back another 5 years.

I'm taking this loss unusually hard. Hedjuk needs to come back. I haven't seen anyone on our D match his intensity or hustle; the same way no one on offense is matching Davies hustle!!!!!

I'm soooo blown right now. Sigh. Why are we still struggling to beat Mexico. Mexico is garbage. We beat Spain and hang wit Brazil; Can't beat slow weak Mexicans????

Am I the only one that notices that there always seem to be 3 to 4 Mexicans closing down on whoever has the ball? They compress their Defense(b/c they're slow), but mofos playing U.S soccer can't make a long pass to switch side of attack.

Wow, what a huge loss. I learned so much about the U.S team today. Our team needs to grow a pair!

Posted by: Vicc | August 12, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

An entirely too typical Azteca match. The US plays like they're tired, bunkers down and loses off sloppy play. I'd say no offense to speak of, but we scored, offense to speak of after the 10th minute. And why can't our defense distribute instead of just clearing the ball? Too many needless giveaways. The ref certainly didn't do us any favors, but at least he didn't decide the match.

Frankly, I wasn't expecting to win this game until we scored first. Dang. What a let down.

Posted by: wichne | August 12, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

No midfield, no time of possession, no creativity, no passing, no aggression, no poetry. The one thing we consistently bring - work rate and effort - wasn't there, perhaps owing to the high altitude, travel and temperature. We got beat, much worse than 2-1. We have some gamers, but Team USA coaches do not know how to coach the finesse passing game, which, until we have it, will always prevent us from moving up the international table. That is why we need a proper European or South American Coach. Well played Mexico.

Posted by: SammyT1 | August 12, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I swear if I hear another person say we can only win with a non-American coach, I'll lose it.

Posted by: Pedalada | August 12, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I understand the frustration and depression, but we are fine. I still have faith in our guys. The only way to explain our performance is the smog and altitude. Look at how Donovan got beat leading up to the goal. That *never* happens. The guy is super fit. We all know that. You could just see that this was not the US team we know. It's going to be alright.

Posted by: EssEff | August 12, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Was it me? I normally reject the argument that the ref is being unfair...but, did it seem like all the close calls (and some not so close) went to Mexico?

Posted by: bobleme | August 12, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

We didn't play well, that is sure. Our midfield was virtually invisible.

I don't get why people say we should expect biased refs on the road. Why is that? I think that fair refs are a reasonable expectation wherever we play. I don't feel like the refs are especially biased for us when we're at home.

I'm not blaming refs for anything. But it adds a massive measure of frustration when a player for one team commits a foul and gets booked and a player for the other team commits the exact same foul and isn't even whistled for it.

It seems like consistency is exactly what should be expected from the refs. Saying that it's to be expected that refs will be biased to the away team just doesn't make any sense to me.

Posted by: jpeace121 | August 12, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

You have to question the personal pride of a Mexican soccer player. You have to question their manhood. I leave the office early to watch what I advertise to all my US Sports fan friends as a must-watch premier soccer game. And what do we get? We get the same old Mexican theatre complete with crying, diving, acting, ruining the sport...I mean, wouldn't you love to watch Castillo get in Gooch's face off the field like he did in the final minutes today?

Compared to his effeminate teammates, Blanco, MLS's Dive King, the player who makes a mockery of SPORT with his whining and diving, looked like Walter Payton refusing to go down on the field while dragging linebackers on his back.

What's worse, the officials buy just about every single dive. It influences the outcome of the game, with 3 cards to our backs. I ask you all, is this really what SPORTS are about?????

Posted by: sevnshvn | August 12, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree this is primarily on the midfield. We had no possession and no passing. Mexico played better but they weren't that good. With the backline under constant pressure it was inevitable that we'd lose. Was Dempsey even on the field? I thought Donovan was telling us about how great he is playing these days... Bradley didn't do much either.

Posted by: fedssocr | August 12, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

jpeace, I guess it all comes down to how cynical you are about things. I used to get so bent out of shape, but now I expect the calls to go against us. Guess I'm just getting old.

Guardado's rake on Bradley's shin. Puh-lease. Not even a call.

Posted by: EssEff | August 12, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts, for what its worth:
-- 2nd goal is Donovan's fault, you have to pressure the ball and stop it early, outside of 18. He was beat way too easy, causting Demerit to come over & cover to make tackle at endline, and Gooch to rotate over. I personally don't blame Gooch on that one.
Bravo: Gooch + Davies,
Yugo: Bocanegra + Ching - poor first touch too often
Huh?: Howard - good saves, agree with earlier comment about distribution; Dempsey - why do you disappear?; Donovan - overall good game, but at fault for 2nd goal; Altidore - why not earlier?; M. Bradley - where were you?; Cherundulo - I assume you are there instead of Spector for attacking prowess, where was that?
-- I don't think Bocanegra can be left back. Most dissapointed with him this game.
-- Agree with earlier comment, Davies sub appeared to be planned.
-- Surprised he put Holden in, but he actually played well.

Posted by: lindsam8 | August 12, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Complaining about the refs is really a Sounders fan's job these days, but today was a joke. To watch pinche Gio whine about being fouled with the crap he was pulling early on was insane.

I also think the Ching bashing is retarded. What exactly did a fresh Altidore do that Ching didn't? Oh, defend? yep.
Dempsey sucked so bad, so did Boca. awful, awful, awful.
Hey I -270! I want back on the Dempsey hating bus! Any room?

Posted by: DadRyan | August 12, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

I've had it with CONCACAF refs. I'm moving to the only English-speaking country in South America, Guyana.

Dammit! They're in CONCACAF too.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 12, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Mexico got off their asses and won this match. They were sharper in the first half, but created the chance to win in the second. Shame, but these are the players we have. We're not cultured enough in defense to play with our feet. No linkage with the midfield. Hence, Howard can't rely on play to develop from the back. DeMerit and Gooch are honorable defenders, but not well rounded. I agree with Bradley's logic. His going 4-5-1 did take some of Mexico's possession away in the 2nd - but they exploited us having Donovan in key marking situations (2nd goal). Gooch seemed to be caught too far away from the box - but I'll have to see it again.

It's not the end of the world, because we've done our job at home.

And this doesn't put us ahead or behind 5 years. As I said, these are the players we have. The result was fair, considering that Mexico were quick, sharp and tons more comfortable on the giant pitch (maybe our players are too acustomed to tight conditions and hurried play?)

Posted by: Kev29 | August 12, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to say Jozy didn't do jack. No fireworks. Nothing.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 12, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

In my initial reactions...

-The ref played a very political and bias game. Case and Point--Onyewu's yellow in the first half.
-Altidore deserved to start for Ching.

Posted by: redskinsux | August 12, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I agree that it should not be too much to expect fair calls from the refs.
1. Wasn't the first Mexican goal the result of a foul on Donovan that wasn't called?
2. If the ref yellow cards a defender for bringing down a forward just outside the box, shouldn't he do the same on the other side of the field?
3. If a player goes for the face of a man after the ball rolls out of bounds, isn't that a red or at least a yellow? Mexico did that twice in the last minutes just prior to their second goal.
I know this loss isn't the end of the world for the US'chance to get to South Africa but it detracts from the game. Can you imagine what would happen if an NFL ref consistantly and blatently helped one team over another?

Posted by: bobleme | August 12, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

I blame that 2nd Goal on DeMerit. He shoulda never left his feet with a slide. Donovan shouldna been there. Players need to stay withing their formation.

Posted by: Vicc | August 12, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

The US always plays against 14 in CONCACAF. However, I think the officiating was embarrassing today. The usual bias was present, but even obvious calls for the Mexicans were missed. I had less of a problem with the ref than I did with the linesmen.

Posted by: mediaman1976 | August 12, 2009 6:51 PM | Report abuse

wow, goff your story is up quick...

Posted by: lindsam8 | August 12, 2009 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh boys. SOme of you really need some therapy while the world (cup) still goes around.
(Gosh, this is not even South Africa time still. Have your prozacs ready!)

Good luck and get relaxed.

Posted by: octaviotorres | August 12, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Why do we expect biased officiating on the road? Because it's historically accurate. Why do NBA players expect calls at home that they don't get on the road? Same reason. I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It's just the way it has been in the past. These things must and can be overcome.

I also agree that the US doesn't get similar treatment at home. However, I need to keep my opinions to myself on that as to why I think it's true.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 12, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

El Trisexual deserved the win, but they cannot even win with class. I am not sure how you choke a player on the field and do not get a red. Eddie Lewis got thrown out of a match for an elbow that didn't even land. The ref was awful, but we deserved to lose. Bradley still thinks it is 1998 and we have to bunker against Mexico to get a tie on the road. His lineup was poor. There is now way Ching should have started over Altidore. There is no Cherundolo should have started over Spector. Why would you mess with the success we had in the Confederation's Cup? He way too conservative and defensive minded. It is a shame because I think we had a draw in us.

Posted by: no_recess | August 12, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand Why we are laying back in the cut. Playing tight defense which allows mexico to gain confidence and dominate possesion of the ball is a recipe for negative results. I am so confident we are the better side. I'm sitting here with friends and family kinda shaking our heads,Where was that loose attacing team that played against Eygpt,Spain,and Brazil in the first half. We controlled possesion in those games and attacked so well, I put this one squarely on the coach, his strategy of counter attacking did not work in the gold cup and it did"nt work today.Time to hear all the trash talking from all these mexicans.

Posted by: calito01 | August 12, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I guess I'm railing on the refs because I think that FIFA needs to recognize that if they're trying to get more US fans (US$) they need to make officiating more consistent. I was watching with relatively unsophisticated (re: new to soccer) friends; even they were able to see that the ref was biased and they were disgusted. How can we expect to get more of our friends to watch soccer, if they feel the officiating is corrupt?

Posted by: bobleme | August 12, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

@DadRyan |

Yeah you really need a forward that defends from endline to endline in the modern game to be a quality side. Ching was awful. So what if he broke up an attack or two. His giveaways led to at least four or five counterattacks.

Posted by: no_recess | August 12, 2009 7:01 PM | Report abuse


relax? how do you know a storm is coming? clouds.

how do you know U.S. soccer still sux?
Can't beat short/slow/very slow/weak Mexicans

Mexican futbol never progress' They've been the same middle-of-the-pack team since as long as I've been watching soccer. I've clearly seen U.S. soccer improve up to the 02' world cup. We used to be below average and 02' was a sign we were advancing; losing to Mexico sets us back to the next World Cup(2014)

Posted by: Vicc | August 12, 2009 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say, any attempt to bash the bashers of Ching is utterly retarded for this match. Zero presence, lost the ball on numerous occasions, deferred nearly all defensive work to Charlie Davies, lost a majority of winnable balls in the air to his opponents, failed to hold up the ball at his feet when given the opportunity, failed to provide any dangerous runs, and completed a grand total of one pass (to Donovan, which was played behind him and actually ended up turning Donovan's momentum backwards, though I will give him credit for settling a tough ball for the first time in the game). He was awful.

Posted by: psps23 | August 12, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Ref was not good in first half, relative non-factor in the second. American's watch plenty of sports with bad referees (see football, American; basketball association, national). Can't blame ref for this loss though.

Posted by: lindsam8 | August 12, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

I think we need to place this on Bob.

Yes, there were defensive mistakes, but don't you see they are the same mistakes we have been making for far too long, that they are a direct result of the bunker mindset. We retreat, they score on Another outside shot.

We play defense, turn it over to them Again and Again, and we give up another one.

We bring in Feilhaber and Holden, two players who know how to inject fluidity and passing, into a 4-5-1, with a tired Davies as lone striker. How was this going to open up Mexico? Right, it didn't. And shame on anyone who said we should have played this formation.

Just subbing in players doesn't change a style of play, the fluidity that we needed. That takes months, years, a talented coach. We will Never beat Azteca if hard work is our strongest weapon, because you can't BREATHE in Azteca.

We need to make the ball do the work, pass it around, make them sweat. I'm tired of people calling for more sweat, more heart, because we've seen the limit of that, against Brazil in South Africa, against Mexico in the Gold Cup, and here again today.

I'm not saying Torres or Feilhaber or Holden are the best players on earth, but we need more of them. We need to FOCUS on those who can make the plays happen. I am tired of watching all our effort lead to nothing.

That's the door we have to walk through to make this program what it aught to be.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | August 12, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Ref was poor, but nothing egregious.

Posted by: icehippo (et alia)

I'd argue that. I think the ref performance was abysmal. I don't mind calling a game tightly or loosely, but it should be the same for both teams. That said, I do think the Mexicans played better. Good enough to win? Perhaps, but I think 1-1 would have been the fair result.

Anyone want to call Joedoc and tell him not to watch after all?

Posted by: troy6 | August 12, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

This loss just set U.S. soccer back another 5 years.

Oh, shut up. This loss doesn't change a damn thing. We still can't win in Azteca, and they still can't win anywhere else. It is what it is. Road points are hard to pick up unless you're Germany playing in Baku.

(And no... I don't count the b/c team 0-5 drubbing. That team would have lost even worse today.)

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

bobleme: "How can we expect to get more of our friends to watch soccer, if they feel the officiating is corrupt?"

That is two quality posts this evening bobleme! Mexican soccer players/coaches and CONCACAF refs are bigger hurdles than the offsides rule for converting our friends over to this great game!

Posted by: sevnshvn | August 12, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

...It is what it is...


You lazy mofo. You didn't even attempt to discuss what I said, you just opened up with a "shut up"--You had to know I would respond--just for attention. You got it.

U.S. soccer is at a standstill. Losses like this assure me the U.S. will STRUGGLE to make it outta group stages in S.Africa.

Remember our Fifa ranking going into the 06 world cup. We were earning respect. Don't expect Fifa or any other non-bias futbol fan to give us the same love for '10 world cup. Keep accepting losses to this Bum Mexican team and go do your summer reading assignment you C+ student!

Posted by: Vicc | August 12, 2009 7:21 PM | Report abuse


I have to say that almost the entirity of The Pour House was confused by Bradley's substitution pattern and tactical shift. When we saw a player headed off, people cheered for Jozy, but it was Feilhaber? Nothing against him as a player... but it's your first sub, and you're guys are still working. Do a like for like change.

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

Have to say the officiating wasn't great, but it really didn't play a part in the two Mexican goals (Looking at you Bocanegra.) There was no coordination between the back line and the middies. Our best chances were when we lofted the ball around Davies. And that's sad. No build-up in the midfield, too soft in the back and we had no speed to counter the Mexicans, who played like they wanted to win more than we did. Disappointed, but not disheartened. We got beat. It sucks, but, hey, that's what it feels like to lose. Moving on to Honduras.

Posted by: Lucius2 | August 12, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

You are young mason08, life hasn't jaded you to the point of cynicism yet. Just so you're not shell-shocked: it will and around the same time you will be old enough to make acquaintance with Sam Adams.

Posted by: Vicc | August 12, 2009 7:25 PM | Report abuse

After watching it an hour or so behind, my thoughts are this:

I am not surprised, but disappointed.

We're still in good shape to qualify, we still have El Salvador at home, and another game against T&T. No worries.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 12, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse


Not to nitpick, but I think Giovani Dos Santos now belongs to Tottenham Hotspur, not FC Barcelona which you mentioned in your article.

As i'm sure you know, his brother is the one still at FC Barcelona.

I'm nitpicking - I know. I'll stop. Instead, i'll mention that we were way to defensive, in my opinion, against Mexico. I know we scored an early goal, but it was way to early to concede so much possession.

The game wasn't lost due to the refereeing, it was lost in the midfield.

Posted by: osgoodfan | August 12, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Agree w/ UnitedDemon. The U.S. can only get so far in international play with the long ball/counterstrike strategy and needs to develop a possession game to compete at a high level. I'm not saying they need reach a Barcelona level of passing skill, but at least be able to connect passes quickly enough to hold possession for more than a few seconds.

They made Mexico look like Real Madrid playing D.C. United or Toronto. The U.S. can't win with Donovan reduced to touching the ball a handful of times for brief moments of the game. Er, don't they do passing drills in practice?

Yes, the officiating favored Mexico and yes, Bocanegra looked especially sloooow on the back line but with Mexico holding the ball that long it seemed inevitable they would come away the win. Its probably too late to change the U.S. style of play before the World Cup--especially if Sunil Gulati has assured that Bradley won't get canned before then. But the passing and possession game has got to improve whoever is coaching.

Posted by: hudson22 | August 12, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Losers of the game were the US Army guys in Iraq that they showed waving the Mexican flag after they scored.

Posted by: Hoost | August 12, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The US team was outplayed and Mexico probably deserved to win, but the officiating was terrible. I am shocked that Mexico was able to swarm and harass a player on the ground with three of theirs, then strike a player in the neck, and earn a single yellow. Shortly after, one of their players went after Howard during a stoppage of play. The first should have been a red card, the second a yellow at minimum. And that's just two instances in a game that was biased throughout.

Posted by: Mongoose714 | August 12, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Totally agree Hoost. Disgraceful. Notice they didn't wave their colors until after they knew they'd win.

Posted by: EssEff | August 12, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

I told you to shut up because you were spouting thoughtless hyperbole, like a subset of supporters do after every loss.

-Coca Cola Fifa rankings mean half of the total seeding, and very little to anyone in CONCACAF at this point. We were ranked one spot behind Mexico in 2006, but they were seeded, because of relative past performance in WCs (1998 was a bad year). Even then... they were only seeded because Germany received and automatic spot in Group A. The seeded teams will all be from Europe and South America because that's where the eight best teams are, according to the numbers. We'll go through on the luck of the draw. We have enough skill to be giant killers, but if we end up with two power teams like we did last time, you're right... We'll struggle. That's what life is like in the second tier.
-This "Bum Mexican Team" has conceeded 1 point to the USMNT in how many matches in Azteca?? Some things just are like that. Just like how the Cubs will never win a WS.

-The '06 team got exactly one point in three matches in Germany. Against arguably stiffer competition in CC, the '09 version got two wins in five matches. Progression where none had existed before. That's improvement. I fail to see how you can discount that performance when making grand pronouncments about how a, frankly, not entirely unexpected result sets us back five years.

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

The flag in Tikrit was lame.

Court Martials for everyone!!!

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Or rather...

Courts Martial for everyone!

(I can't believe I made that error.)

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

You are young mason08, life hasn't jaded you to the point of cynicism yet. Just so you're not shell-shocked: it will and around the same time you will be old enough to make acquaintance with Sam Adams.


You're an idiot.

Jaded enough for you?

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

First, let me say that the referee didn't lose the game for the US. I believe the outcome of the game would probably been the same or worse regardless of the ref. I do think he was terrible as referees go and I hope we never have to see him again. My point still is that the kind of refereeing we saw today is totally unacceptable. (Thanks sevnshvn for the compliment.) I believe that if we are going to win more fans, we need to have a game that: flows more; has less fouls (too many soft and professional fouls as well as fake injuries interrupting the game) and stoppage; games that have more action around the goal (not necessarily more scoring); and, has believable non-biased refereeing.
Second, I agree that the US tactics are too pedestrian and predictable for the top level international status that we're trying to achieve. I've spent most of my life watching and loving international soccer; I've always said that when American finally decide to get serious about soccer they would develop their own brand of unbeatable soccer. I see glimmers of it in their blend of what used to be called European and South American soccer. Unfortunately, I don't see enough Americanism, yet. We're still trying to copy the other powers and haven't learned how to play our own game. I agree with the earlier comment that Mexican soccer hasn't really evolved very much over the last 20 years. Which begs the question, why haven't we learned how to beat them regardless of where we play?
Third, I believe picking on Bradley, Ching, or whomever for losing today's game is silly. I agree that the Mexicans outplayed us today. I think the ref hurt us today. And, I think our tactics were that of an insecure side. We don't believe like we have the option of keeping the pedal to the medal when we break on top; so we score first and retreat into a defensive counter-attacking posture. Once the other side scored, we had nothing left to attack with...kind of reminiscent of the US-Brazil game.
Four, I am so proud to be an American and to see the strides we've made on the world stage. I'm old enough to remember when the US wasn't even expected to make the World Cup tournaments; now we're a favorite from CONCACAF to make South Africa. And we're talking about hosting the tournament in either 2018 or 2022. I just hope I live long enough!

Posted by: bobleme | August 12, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow, that was a boring game.

I thought Balboa was ok...except that he kept calling Charlies Davies "Davis"...duh...

Posted by: Reignking | August 12, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I watched it in they would not be called impartial! I thought the game had some very exciting moments and overall was entertaining.

Posted by: bobleme | August 12, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Here we go. Everyone chill out, and stop buying into hype. Realistically, did anyone think this would be an easy game to win? Mexico doesn't lose there. Will they lose to us there sometime, sure. We lost, but we are still in fine shape. Does anyone think Mexico won't qualify? Of course they will. So will we. Let's not make a mountain out of a mole-hill. The sky is not falling.

Posted by: torrey151 | August 12, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse


You are a Mexican immigrant to the United States. You are willing to serve in the US military during wartime and occupy a foreign country, possibly being shot/maimed/blown up by an IED in the process....

....BUT rooting for the US national soccer team is beyond the pale?

I am not decrying the soldiers in question, I just don't get it.

Posted by: arswift24 | August 12, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Tivoed the match and just finished watching it. Did we have even 20% possession? We were totally outplayed in the midfield. The altitude had an effect. Davies on the late second half break away may or may not have been offsides; it was difficult to tell from the TV angle and probably could have gone either way. The officiating had no impact on the match. Finally, this was the same lineup that we were all cheering in the Confed Cup and now Bradley is the worst coach in the world. My aren't we a fickle bunch. We will still probably qualify for WC 2010.

Posted by: agoldhammer | August 12, 2009 8:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait until we field a team with the technical prowess to make passes (especially in tight spaces). Where is technical soccer going to come from?

Posted by: ScottYoung3 | August 12, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

My whole point is that blaming Ching for everything now that everyone has stopped calling Dovovan "Landycakes" is easy. Where the hell was Dempsey? I'd rather see a dude trying than some whigger trying to be cute with his passes give up the ball so consistently to the opposition. At least Ching is working. Dempsey was busy passing the ball back to Mexico just as much as Ching was.
I don't care. It's over. Not gonna infight with all you guys about history repeating itself.
Back to hating on the Sounders for me.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 12, 2009 8:56 PM | Report abuse

"Finally, this was the same lineup that we were all cheering in the Confed Cup"

Not exactly, unless you consider Ching and Altidore interchangeable. I don't. And Spector played better in that game than Cher did today.

Posted by: Truck | August 12, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

arswift24, I'm a Soldier and I don't get it either. We don't just wear the shirt; we wear the pants, the helmet and the body armor, too. I will be anxious to see what kind of reaction there will be in the next Army Times issue.

As for the game itself, I really thought BB would play Torres for a half to exploit his expertise against this opponent--oh well...

Posted by: dcarmy | August 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Scottyoung: the technical soccer will come from the Academies and developmental programs in place and developed over the next decade. It won't come from any manager at the National Team level. You go to play with the team you have, not the one you wished you had, right? We don't have technical players right now, frankly few nations do, ennough to field an international level squad at least. Maybe Germany, France, Spain, Portugal, Italy, England, netherlands Argentina and Brazil do most of the time. There a manager who insists on a technical style can be successful (right, Fabio?) but for everyone else, on the road, you get this. Remember Guus Hiddink's run with the Soccerroos in 06? Counters. Greece in Euro 04? Bunker and counter. If you appointed Capello or Klinsmann manager of the US today, this game would look similar, we don't have the horses to play on the road, in this type of environment, any differently.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | August 12, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Vicc: Do your hear voices at night? Do you feel someone is following you? Do you read words nobody has written on a page but your paranoid mind? Get help!!! You need it! Do not hide behind an irrelevant soccer game. And read just what people writes, not what your mind translates? We offer you a free long vacation on Fray Bernardino de Sahagun Resort in Mexico City!!

Posted by: octaviotorres | August 12, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

joshuaostevens -

You are right on. This is exactly why Klinnsman, Fabio and the rest aren't interested in Bradley's job. But forget them, they will all want the job in 10 years when we have the technical skills oozing from our 20 year olds. I pray we keep an AMERICAN coach on our MNT sidelines.

Bob Bradley is a product of the USA's ODP, NCAA, and MLS/Academy programs. He's doing a good job, as good as any other US soccer coach could do with our team. We just need to keep improving the academies and youth programs, but more importantly we need to encourage our children to walk down to the playground with a soccer ball (not a basketball/football/baseball/DS machine) and throw down a few tshirts for goals and PLAY SOCCER.

Posted by: sevnshvn | August 12, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse


US Soccer is at a standstill?

We beat Spain, the No. 1 team in the world, this past summer, and we took Brazil to the brink. We also beat the African champion, Egypt, convincingly.

We defeated Guatemala during this WCQ cycle for the first time on the road.

Sure, we're at a standstill. Whatever, buddy.

Mexico has a huge home field advantage at the Azteca with 105,000 fans behind them and the smog, pollution and altitude of Mexico City. Very similar to Bolivia's home field advantage, except more fans.

Posted by: billindmd | August 12, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse


Your posts are appreciated! People here do sound like they need to learn to enjoy this more. It helps if you're a fan of both the US and Mexican teams.

Speaking of which, I'd like to know who people think they are, ragging on US troops for cheering for Mexico. If the other US soldiers they are fighting with don't care, why should you? Seriously.

Mexico looked good today, I'm sure coming from behind like that will help them get off the deck and go through to SA. They adapt to the conditions not just by training at altitude, but letting the ball do more of the work - keeping possession.

Likewise, I think the US rose to the challenge much better than most are giving them credit for. The back 6 all need to play with more composure, but they kept themselves in it.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | August 12, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Is there any chance that someone has taken Balboa aside and told him that it's Charlie DAVIES, not Davis, and that the French city Bocanegra plays in (Rennes)is pronounced "ren", not "re-nay"?

Posted by: b18bolo | August 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree, plenty of Mexicans spilling their blood in "our" wars. They've got the god given right to wave whatever flags they feel like. Same as Americans waving their stupid flags from Ireland, Scotland, Germany, etc. Everybody is an Irishman on St. Patty's day here in America, and everyone is Catholic when they can take a long lunch on Ash Wednesday. What's sillier? In my opinion not servicemen enjoying a little piece of the lives they left in the states when they shipped out.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 12, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

DadRyan: I agree on your point except on the "Americans waving their stupid flags from Ireland, Scotland, Germany, etc.". I do not think abou the "stupid flags" but only as a piece of what they/we are. Why do Europeans can think in the last 20 years a little bit more like ... Europeans? (they were killing each other the major part of XX century). We are all rarely made of just one blood or a single tradition. It does not help to blame anyone around because is not made identic or because it has an additional source of inspiration to motivate him/herself eachday with a different and multicultural frame. But again, DadRyan I agree on your main point. Reagards

Posted by: octaviotorres | August 12, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

If the other US soldiers they are fighting with don't care, why should you? Seriously.


Uh... Did you see the look that the guys in the front row gave the guys in the back row? They weren't exactly pleased.

Posted by: mason08 | August 12, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

joshua @ 9:23 - thank you for the sensible point of view

As for the soldiers abroad - let's not take it out on the guys watching. It's frustrating, not because they are American servicemen of Mexican heritage (presumably) - but Im guessing when NBC/Telemundo asked who was interested in watching the match in the middle of the night, they were the only people up for it. As a US fan, we shouldn't take it out on them, but realize that only a small perecentage of Americans are interested in their national team. Same situation at that base as in most stadiums when we play Mexico or El Salvador here in major cities.

Interest is rapidly increasing, but this is still a "foreign" sport.

Posted by: Kev29 | August 12, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

"stupid flags" wasn't the right choice of words, but I think you know what I mean.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 13, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I'd like the Ching experiment to be put out to pasture. We have 5-6 forwards better than him: Davies, Altidore, E. Johnson, Cooper, and Dempsey/Donovan.

Next, Spector and Hey-dude are better options on the right than Dolo...too much space given, especially in the first half, which led to DeMerit's card. Dolo's a fine back-up, but he's not quite there...maybe the injury has limited him some.

Third, Bradley's man-crush on Boca needs to stop. He's been caught watching way too many times and at both the CB and LB positions. I don't think he's quick enough for the international game. Even, an out of form Pearce would've been a better option out left. Pearce and Bornstein are still our best options there...I know, sadly. And I doubt Boca would be a better option than Parkhurst, Marshall, or Goodson as a backup CB.

Fifth, Dempsey needs to be a forward in this setup as he doesn't have any interest when he's an attacking midfielder...thus, his Harry Houdini performances there.

Sixth, Bob, quit tweaking when you don't need to. I think that is self-explanetory.

Finally, bring on Jermaine Jones! His intensity will be a catalyst for a considerably more spirited team effort every single game.

Posted by: fcmuenchweiler | August 13, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

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