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*D.C. United defender Marc Burch's ankle surgery will likely sideline him for a few weeks, Coach Tom Soehn said. Burch is on yellow card suspension for Wednesday's match against Kansas City.

"He had some scar tissue build-up and he went in and had it cleaned up," Soehn said. "In a perfect world, it's two weeks. ... It was a tolerance thing: It got to the point where it got pretty bad. We had to take care of it."

*On Clyde Simms's performance as a central back at Dallas: "He did well. He has done it in the past in reserve situations. He adjusted pretty well. I joked around with him after and asked how it was in relation to playing in the middle of the park. He said: 'Physically, it was a lot easier but mentally it was a lot more demanding.' So his legs got some rest and his mind got some work."

For Soehn's thoughts on Szetela and Gomez.....

*On Danny Szetela's status: "He's still got to earn his right to play on this team. A lot of it is sharpness when you compare him to other guys. It needs to stand out that he is one of the better guys. One of Danny's traits is that I think he is a bit of a 'gamer.' You kind of have to evaluate him not solely on how he trains. He has to earn his right like everybody else still. There are no grudges or nothing. He needs to be in the best 18."

So how do you assess someone if they are a 'gamer'?

"That's always the tricky part because you have to reward the other guys who are training hard. It is a little bit of a difficult process for the fact that [because of all the games], we don't have a lot of quality training sessions right now. Most of it is recovery, and the guys who haven't been playing, you get together and those guys battle for the remaining spots. Each week you have to beat the next guy out of a spot. He has got to find a way to improve his training habits."

*On Christian Gomez, who didn't play at Dallas: "He just needs to show that urgency and the dynamics that he has. We all know what those qualities are. When he does that, he is a difference-maker. If he is not doing those things, he has a hard time finding the game, and we need him on the ball. For him to play, he has to be active, putting himself in spots, changing his pace and giving some of the defensive responsibility too, especially playing in a four-back system, it has to be even more. ... We're still managing, making sure we keep everybody part of it. It's kind of a revolving process and when it's his chance, he has to show what he is about."

By Steve Goff  |  September 8, 2009; 12:41 PM ET
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A gamer???? wth? That was the biggest load of bs I think I have ever heard!

Posted by: HarkesyRules | September 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

All other matters aside, it's good to see Soehn talking sense even as the team struggles a bit, and even if I'm not personally 100% with him on everything. Big change from last year right there.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

why is that a load of bs? I have coached for years and some players who are dominant in games just cannot bring themselves to put in a high level of effort in practice.

You're always asking players to convince themselves that practice demands the same level of effort as games but to some it is just practice. Soehn is really doing the only thing you can if you demand a game-like intensity in practices.

Posted by: teo_68 | September 8, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Huh...with all of those games, you would think everyone would have made the roster by now.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

So am I correct to assume that "gamer" means "someone who turns up their skill and effort by a very great degree during games compared to practice"?

Posted by: VercengetorixII | September 8, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I know you all have a game against KC tomorrow, but thought I'd share the link to a story today from Don Ruiz of the News Tribune who ask Montero to show him the scar from the "alleged" Wicks stomping. The rematch should be a great game.

"Montero shows marks of attack"
DON RUIZ; The News Tribune
September 8th, 2009 12:22 AM (PDT)

Everyone could see that D.C. United goalkeeper Josh Wicks stepped on Sounders FC forward Fredy Montero in the U.S. Open Cup final last week.

However, television angles didn’t show exactly where Montero was stomped. He was asked Monday, after the Sounders completed their first training session since that Wednesday win.

Montero answered by rolling up the right leg of his practice shorts. The exact spot remained clearly marked by two blood-red scrapes along his thigh – one about 4 to 5 inches long, the other 2 to 3 inches – both looking as bright as if they had been applied by a crimson felt marker.

Complete story here:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/sounders/story/871305.html

Posted by: Ciscokid50 | September 8, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I think it reeks of BS too. Soehn could've given us that explanation a long time ago. In the meantime, Szetela's been with the squad since mid July and hasn't had an opportunity with the first team since early August. For that kind of absence in spite of the fact that United has been plagued with injuries… c'mon. The "gamer" excuse doesn't pass the sniff test.

Posted by: HWLongfellow | September 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

A question to pose to all the people reading this wiser than I. Why is it that the coaches here (Nowak did this too) base the starting line-up on who performed the best in training the past week? Do the Redskins change their line-up based on that week's training? If Clinton Portis or Santana Moss don't train well, do they sit? It just seems like in other sports, there are a core set of "starters" that you might fill in a position or 2 around, but not DC United. Do other soccer teams put their starting line-up together the same way?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | September 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I was a gamer in college. There was something about the intensity of the situation that brought my play up several notches. I worked very hard in practice, but I simply played better on game day.

Posted by: WorldCup | September 8, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

So, ciscokid, you are saying that wanker Montero was faking it when he grabbed his midsection like he'd just been sucker-punched by Joe Frasier. Wonder what else he's been lying about this year ......

Posted by: dcufan | September 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

1. Why was Montero rolling around clutching his hand then? Not that it matters.

2. Curious99, how many days until MLS opens up in April 2010?

Posted by: OWNTF | September 8, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Soehn is politely saying that Szetela does not work hard in practice. If somebody doesn't hustle in practice, it pisses-off players who give it their all.

I imagine somebody like Ben Olsen or Clyde Simms hustle in practice. Perhaps it is the players themselves along with the coach who have "bannished" Szetela to the sidelines.

If this is true then we should stop blaming Soehn for being stubborn and start blaming Szetela for being lazy.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 8, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Clinton Portis certainly is a "gamer," since he seems to practice irregularly and practically blows off training camp, but he's the starting running back. I know what Tommy is saying, but if you base your lineup strictly on who practices the hardest you are likely to field a team full of untalented overachievers. There is always a need for these, but leave room for the very talented who lift the level of their game when it counts.

Posted by: b18bolo | September 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Finally, an explanation of The Danny Szetela Situation. I am inclined to take Soehn at his words but he should have given us the reason way before this.

Posted by: tundey | September 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Carryover from Steinbog's chat:

Seattle: We win trophies! Do you think both D.C. and Seattle will make the playoffs? It's kinda a lame rivalry, but still fun. I'll be at the game this week, looking forward to standing in bird poo and praying for my life in the upper deck!

Dan Steinberg: As previously mentioned, congrats, but you win trophy.

Yes, I think both will make the playoffs, and neither will make the final. How's that for going out on a limb?

Man, the 400-level of RFK stadium is a weird place nowadays. Some of the ramps are locked, so I ended up having to jump over a railing. And there really are strange twits and branches lying all over the place. How did they get there? I didn't see much of a foliage overhang up there. And yeah, the bird poop....

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Cisco-

Side of the right leg sounds about right for where Wicks could have made contact without the cameras catching it cleanly. Silly question, but it's not indicated in the story: What direction are those marks running?

Posted by: mason08 | September 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

"There is always a need for these, but leave room for the very talented who lift the level of their game when it counts."

Yes, but we're talking about Szetela, who has underwhelmed at every opportunity, including in this league with the Crew.

There's certainly glimpses in his game, but you could say the same for Mapp and Gaven.

Work your way on to the field, Danny-boy....

Posted by: JkR- | September 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@Dougmacintyre: I think it depends on the pedigree of the players and the coach's disposition at the time. If players of such gravitas as Kaka were on our roster, you bet they'll play each and every game regardless of performance in practice. But because the current DC roster doesn't have any stand out star, you've gotta bring it in practice.

Posted by: tundey | September 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@ Ciscokid50: The description sounds gruesome. But I would have to see pictures to believe it.

Posted by: tundey | September 8, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Freddy Adu has the reputation of a "gamer."

Posted by: B_A_ | September 8, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Tom Soehn Countdown (if DCU doesn't make the playoffs, which as of right now they do not) = 47 days.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 8, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

being a gamer is OK if you actually perform well in the games (see Iverson, Allen). Szetela should be getting close to another chance to prove he belongs there.

also, anyone else sick of the JFK Assassination/Zapruder Film treatment being given to this Wicks-Montero debacle? Wicks was wrong and DCU fans should give up on finding some smoking gun that will prove otherwise. whether Montero embellished or not is immaterial - as Tino's quotes re: the Dallas game show, give a guy an opportunity to take advantage of you and they will do it. the key is not giving them those opportunities.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | September 8, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

re: Sounders story

Thanks for that News-Tribune link.

Reading that story REALLY made me appreciate having competent journalists covering DC United.

Goff +1
Tenorio +1
Ruiz -∞
______________________

re: Szetela v. Soehn

Apart from the length & tone, I don't see much difference between Soehn's explanation now and the ones he's been giving all along...

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Maybe he means that Danny is staying up too late playing XBox 360 Live.

Posted by: the_slammer | September 8, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Commom Mr. Mc Poop. We are only 1 (ONE) point out of the playoffs.

Now let's all say this together! Are we ready? OK here we go, on three everybody.
One-two-three:

VAMOS UNITED!!!

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Pointball players play once a week, max, and even entrenched starters see a grand total of a few minutes of live action per game. Not saying their job is easy, rather that the two just are not comparable. Clinton Portis rarely, if ever, participates in practice.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I didn't say that one couldn't be a gamer. Just that I think this is a bs explanation. If he is not working hard, just say that. However, with all of the injuries, I think that at some point, "the best 18" may be all of the players you have left. :/

Posted by: HarkesyRules | September 8, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

The "gamer" thing -- sounds to me like Soehn is softening, that's all -- wants to keep the guy in the fold in spite of everything and not just run him down. As in, we believe he's better than what we're seeing, but we have to go by what we see. Call it BS if you want, but it just might mean that Soehn sees what you see in terms of them no longer having the luxury of a full doghouse.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

How's DCU stadium deal coming along?

Posted by: lgm6986 | September 8, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

RE; Sounders story.

I just passed it on without judgment. I'd like to see pictures too. I do think it's silly to continue to try to find fault with Montero about his rolling around on that play. There are many faults you can pin on Montero....this incident is not really one of them.

I wouldn't be too hard on Don Ruiz. Goff's been doing this for a while, this is Don's first year. He works hard and engages readers of his blog. He'll only get better.

Goff is pretty much the standard bearer amongst MLS newspaper journalist/bloggers, and I read his stuff regularly, even being a Seattle fan, because he knows and understands the league better than most writers.

As a result, I tend to follow DC pretty regularly. Frankly, I hope we meet you guys in the playoffs because it would be an entertaining match (and it would mean we both made the playoffs)

Mason8, I'll ask about the "direction " of the scratches and whether there are any photos.

Posted by: Ciscokid50 | September 8, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

DMD-
I'm just wondering why the journo wrote "along" when any marks from that stomp be "across". It's probably just bad writing.

If he's got marks running across his leg, then, yeah, Wicks connected and will get a severe suspension, but anyone who grabs their midsection and/or hand after getting their leg stompped on deserves a kick in the teeth (or at least a caution). Just grab where he hit ya and let the ref know about it, OK? There's no need to make it look worse than it was by grabbing uninvoved body parts when the actual offense is already pretty bad. You just look like a melodramatic *CENSORED*.

Posted by: mason08 | September 8, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

If the Szetela situation was as simple as not working hard in practice it would've come out weeks ago and gone away. The fact that there was deflection and obfuscation from Tom and the team make it seem like there is more of a story there.

Looks like we will not ever find out.

James

Posted by: bs2004 | September 8, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It's complete b.s.

Tommy is still mad about Szetela missing a practice over a month ago.

You're really going to tell me that McTavish, Allen, Fred, or Jacobsen contribute more in midfield than Szetela would?

I don't care if he's not going 110% in practice... people who practice that hard also tend to injure teammates in practice.

I'd rather have a player who went 80-90% in practice, and 110% in matches, than a player who goes 110% in practice, and 80-90% in matches because he's burned out.

I never saw Szetela dog it in the few matches he's had with United.

However, I have seen Gomez, Emilio, Fred, Burch, and others play as if they were completely disinterested on several occasions.

Re: Wicks' stomping incident:

It's too late for the team to step in and punish him now, however, I would bench him simply for playing awful in Dallas.

---------------Kocic----------------
Namoff---McTavish-Simms---Habarugira
Quaranta---Olsen---Szetela---Wallace
----------Pontius--Moreno-----------

Again, that's a team that should actually get a win at home against a struggling KC, however, we'll see this instead, and play for a draw:

--------------Wicks---------------
Namoff--------Simms-----------John
-----------Olsen--Jacobsen--------
Quaranta----------------------Fred
-----------Gomez/Moreno-----------
--------Pontius---Emilio----------

The left side of our defense/midfield will get torched.

Posted by: alecw81 | September 8, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@dimesmakedollars: I agree. I was tired of the 2nd stomper theory the day after it happened.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 8, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To set the record straight:

Shortly after arriving, Szetela had a "personal issue" that placed him in the dcu doghouse, so to speak. It was covered on this blog. The nature of that issue was not specified by Danny or the team. However, he continued to participate in practices and, as far as I know, was not suspended or fined. He also had fitness concerns after a month-long layoff between the end of the Italian season and his arrival in Washington.

At that point, he not only had to get himself into shape, he also had to prove he belonged on the game-day roster through work and performance in training. Thus far, as indicated in Soehn's quotes today, he has not outperformed others and, as a result, he's been left off the game-day roster regularly. The personal issue is no longer a factor in his status: It's about what he does on the field.

He seems to be making progress, however, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him back on the 18 tomorrow.

I hope that clears things up.

Posted by: Steve Goff | September 8, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Well, what are we supposed to talk about now?


(Thanks, Steve)

Posted by: JkR- | September 8, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

""however, I would bench him simply for playing awful in Dallas.""

Yeah, remember when we had a 3 goalie carousel at the start of the season. Wicks rightfully took the job, but his play and of late (the first Dallas goal was horrible, not to mention taking down James in CCL, bobbling several apparently easy balls, failing to parry Ljundbergs USOC shot) make me wonder why Kocic can't get a shot.

I think his attitude would change if he were benched.

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Well, what are we supposed to talk about now?

===

ACC Football?

Posted by: mason08 | September 8, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Szetela is the new Bobby Boswell. Same vague answers as to why he isn't playing. Why doesn't Emilio sit more if hustle and effort are a priority for Soehn?

Posted by: leafblower | September 8, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

""ACC Football""

You mean CAA football. This past weekend, Richmond beat Duke, W and M beat UVA. JMU takes on Maryland this weekend. ACC? Bites, they can't even beat I AA teams that have half the scholarship players.

And Richmond and JMU are closer to DC than that "local school" VA Tech . .

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

AlecW: See Soehn re Gomez, above: "especially playing in a four-back system, it has to be even more . . . ." Sounds like the three-back is dead. That's good news in its own right, besides which, a three-back system without Jackovic in the lineup would be suicide.

Posted by: dccal | September 8, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

The ACC is a soccer conference, anyway :)

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Just because a player (Szetela) has the goods doesn't mean he deserves to be on the pitch. Comparing American football to soccer is like comparing apples to oranges. I mean come on.... He's a professional.

I "hear" (read) a bunch of posts about how DC needs to be more professional and if they can't deal with playing in all the tournaments they are in, then find new players.

Danny-boy needs to step up like the rest of the team and prove he belongs there.

I do like the benching of Gomez though, and the explination of it. He's been a bit lazy as of recent.

Posted by: dogboy | September 8, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Here is a topic...

Has anyone notice Kocic's horrible at best distribution skills? I know he gets limited playing time, but it really showed in the USOC Final last week... he struggled to get the ball past half field, the punts were hardly ever accurate, and his goal kicks were to the Sounders. He also took why to long to get rid of it when we were trying to find an equalizer. He always looked to throw the ball out first, and this must have been why...

just some food for thought...

Posted by: BurchFan4 | September 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Emilio works hard in training and games; he's just not very good.

He plays because he is the only true striker and there is that possibility of goals. Lately, he hasn't contributed much.

Szetela is among many midfielders. Soehn's point is that, if a young player who just joined the team this summer doesn't do the work in training or show well, why would he play ahead of the others? Maybe he made an impression today and plays tomorrow. We'll see.


Posted by: Steve Goff | September 8, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Being a "gamer" only works if you have actually done something. Clinton "Terrible outfits" Portis, Plaxico "Shoot Myself" Burress, Allen "Practice" Iverson, Manny "Roids" Ramirez, etc. all have done huge things at the biggest moment. (No playing well in an u20 World Cup a few yrs ago doesn't count.)

Moreno can be a game because he has a few records and a few MLS Cup. Setezla, he can't be a gamer right now.

I too was a gamer, very seldom in college, but my senior yr -after starting at left back from sophomore yr on. Until my senior yr, I battled my butt off every practice. Senior yr, maybe I take it easy a day or two before a big game. (If you don't play a lot and preform you can't be a "Gamer.")

I am officially on Sohen's side (WHAT!) now. And Goff stop ruining our convo's with your information!!!!!!!!

As for Montero, it begs the question? Wicks stomped on him, yes, but why did he grab is hand, then his chest, then have the trainer stretch out his hamstring? Wicks still deserved the red card but Montero still is a lair.

Posted by: grubbsbl | September 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I slack off and read blogs during most of the day, but I really "bring it" between 3 and 5:30 PM. Does that make a late-afternooner or early-eveninger?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 8, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@lgm6986
As to the stadium story, call it the Never ending story...only in this case there apparently is none.

As to a 'gamer' and others who lay it all on the line in practice, reminds me of several coaches I know who believe that you play like you practice. If the team is practicing as a team and all members aren't clicking at full intensity, the team isn't practicing the working together that they'll need game day. So if you have a coach with that belief, then you'll probably not play.

Posted by: seahawkdad | September 8, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

BurchFan4: Kocic or Wicks?

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling BS on the Danny v. Tommy saga. I think it's a poor excuse for not playing him. Tommy, you're not a good liar so just come out and tell the truth!

Posted by: beltwayrob | September 8, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Emilio works hard in training and games; he's just not very good.

[. . .]

Posted by: Steve Goff | September 8, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Dang, Goff. How do you really feel? There are plenty of us on this board who agree that Emilio is being paid far more than he is worth.

Posted by: ManuteBogues | September 8, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Good God -- how many times do we have to go over this?

Szetela didn't do much in Columbus, was an occasional player in Europe, arrived here with a personal issue, and now, according to the coach, doesn't work hard enough in practice.

Like I said, he's making progress and will probably be in the 18 tomorrow.

What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?

Posted by: Steve Goff | September 8, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't take it too hard Steve. Remember, controversy is good for the number of blog hits.

Did someone say stadium?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 8, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

much better than "coach's decision".

Posted by: nairbsod | September 8, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Am I the only person who thought the first Dallas goal was entirely on James? He had 2 chances to deal with that ball well (either by getting to it at a higher speed and heading it to Wicks, or by being more aware of Cunningham and steeling himself for the challenge for the ball, thus not allowing Cunningham to knock it into the space between James and Wicks). Wicks probably should have stayed on his line, but if James simply does his job competently, Wicks simply has to pick up a slowly rolling/bouncing ball.

I know Soehn put the goal on Wicks, but since when did anyone here side with Soehn?

As for Szetela, I thought his presence on the bench for the Open Cup final meant he had turned a corner. We could certainly use him. The formation change means that Szetela might be the most logical choice to play alongside Simms in central midfield. Essentially, he creates a middle ground between Gomez and Olsen; more able to defend than Gomez, more able to attack than Olsen.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | September 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

"What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?" - Goff

Perfect. Let it begin.

Posted by: redskinsux | September 8, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?

===

Danny Szetela doesn't exist. He is a creation of Stanley Kubrick. You can tell by the shadows.

Posted by: mason08 | September 8, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?
Posted by: Steve Goff
==============

Szetela's absence from the roster is because he's flying his UFO to Area 51, where he meets with JFK to discuss sending subliminal messages to school children through Obama's speeches.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 8, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I-270:

Perfect!

:-)

SG


Posted by: Steve Goff | September 8, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only person who thought the first Dallas goal was entirely on James?""

Probably. I saw a half hearted effort by a keeper caught in no man's land. Why he was coming that far off his line, I don't know. Then to sit there and flop his arms in the air instead of going in hard is pretty poor.

Cunningham hadn't cleanly beat James, the ball was bouncing down the pitch. It would have taken a great effort by Cunningham to beat Wicks . . if he had stayed on his line.

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Danny Szetela is stopping the new stadium from being built. He is an agent of Fenty.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

John, Janicki, James, Namoff?

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Being a gamer is not BS. Having coached for many years there are players that just take it up another notch on gameday. Soehn didn't invent the concept, coaches refer to it in just about any sport there is. Jerry Rice was one. That is why he wasn't highly regarded coming out of college. His speed in a game belied his 40 time. This is nothing new and very believable.

Posted by: croftonpost | September 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?
Posted by: Steve Goff
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Has anyone ever seen a birth certificate?

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | September 8, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone ever seen a birth certificate?

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil |


Sorry to everyone else for what is about to ensue. I was just fisch-ing.

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | September 8, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@ Ciscokid

The article says: "The exact spot remained clearly marked by two blood-red scrapes along his thigh – one about 4 to 5 inches long, the other 2 to 3 inches – both looking as bright as if they had been applied by a crimson felt marker."

After five days, I believe the end of the sentence tells us what we need to know.

Posted by: carnack | September 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Delantero-
I think you're onto something. Wicks seems to get caught in no-man's land a fair bit on long, vertical, balls played into the penalty area. It's as if he can't decide if he wants to take them at the top of the area in his hands, or to hang back and accept the back pass/header from the retreating back.

Posted by: mason08 | September 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I was talking about Kocic...

Posted by: BurchFan4 | September 8, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

No one had a better work ethic than Jerry Rice.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Burch: ok, because he only played ~20 minutes in that final, so I don't remember him at all.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Seems clear to me thanks to today's updades.
1- Szetela was (is) not in shape when he came to us.
2-He did something to piss off the coach and we may never know what it was.
3-He's served his time for his crime.
4-Now he's allowed to play so he's been in uniform.
5-Now he needs to be one of the best midfielders and he will start.
6-Mystery solved. Thanks Mr. Goff

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 8, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Never thought a coach needed to give the whole truth to the media about player issues. That's gamesmanship with the opposition and good personnel management. See Belichick, Bill in the NFL, the expert at saying nothing. All the time.

And Reignking, you are spot on. Jerry Rice was the hardest working WR of our era. And he was great in games too.

Posted by: sevnshvn | September 8, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only person who thought the first Dallas goal was entirely on James?""

Well, I personally thought Cunningham had a little something to do with it. Not the first defender he's beaten. Probably won't be the last.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

What exactly is the great DCU-Szetela conspiracy theory that some of y'all subscribe to?

Posted by: Steve Goff

Amen. Can't we keep just this one place free for relatively sane discussions about soccer?!

Posted by: KireDCU | September 8, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Was that really a Goff comment, "Emilio is just not that good." Ouch. Former MLS MVP and 1 of only 2 20-goal scorers in franchise history? Hmmm. He needs someone to pass him the ball near the goal, it's not all on Luciano. I think he has more goals than any MLS player from start of 2007 to present.

Posted by: DC0071 | September 8, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

He needs someone to pass him the ball near the goal, it's not all on Luciano.

Posted by: DC0071

He is what he is -- a poacher.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

@ Ciscokid

The article says: "The exact spot remained clearly marked by two blood-red scrapes along his thigh – one about 4 to 5 inches long, the other 2 to 3 inches – both looking as bright as if they had been applied by a crimson felt marker."

After five days, I believe the end of the sentence tells us what we need to know.

Posted by: carnack | September 8, 2009 4:16 PM

LOL! I have to admit, I thought that line was unnecessarily provocative.

At this point even a photo won't impress the conspiracy-minded (photoshop anyone?).

I suspect you'll all welcome Fredy back to DC with no malicious or hard feelings on Saturday. :-). Wish I could be there.

Posted by: Ciscokid50 | September 8, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

For those that are interested, an interesting article into the elongated mind of Mr. Bob Bradley....

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/grant_wahl/09/08/bradley.qa/index.html

Posted by: dogboy | September 8, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

John, Janicki, James, Namoff?

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009
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His name is my name too...

Posted by: HowdyDCU | September 8, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

"We're still managing, making sure we keep everybody part of it. It's kind of a revolving process and when it's his chance, he has to show what he is about."

A revolving process? That's the problem right there. We need a steady lineup to build up morale, urgency, unity and cohesion. I know he wants to give people a chance, but there are many injuries and we need as much cohesion as possible.

Posted by: pmtthree | September 8, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

"We're still managing, making sure we keep everybody part of it. It's kind of a revolving process and when it's his chance, he has to show what he is about."

A revolving process? That's the problem right there. We need a steady lineup to build up morale, urgency, unity and cohesion. I know he wants to give people a chance, but there are many injuries and we need as much cohesion as possible.

Posted by: pmtthree | September 8, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

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While I agree with you that there needs to be as much cohesion as possible, if Gomez is just trotting around the field not giving it his all, then as a coach, he needs to do something to get Gomez to understand he needs to give it his all.

The coach has a job to do as well.

Posted by: dogboy | September 8, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Julian de Guzman is in Toronto...

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Am I the only person who thought the first Dallas goal was entirely on James?""

Well, I personally thought Cunningham had a little something to do with it. Not the first defender he's beaten. Probably won't be the last.
Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 8, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

James was *getting* beaten, but he was still goalside of Cunningham and I don't think Cunningham had room to turn the corner towards goal before James ran him to the endline(I was there, this happened right in front of me) Sure, maybe Cunningham does end up beating James there, but by that time he's practically on the goal line with no angle to shoot, and it's up to DC's trailing defenders to cut out any late runners from Dallas. But, Wicks blew it by coming off of his line to try to collect the ball. Don't get me wrong, it was a HECK of a chip by Cunningham, but without Wicks being in no-man's land, I think Simms and Burch have the late men covered up and we're talking about a DC win.

Posted by: sockey1 | September 8, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@delantero, my high school graduating class in northern va had 75 students going to virginia tech and none going to richmond or MD. those statistics are common to high schools in northern va and help make it "local" to the washington dc area media, as it should.

Posted by: hokiesoccerfan | September 8, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, what sockey1 said. Wicks shouldn't come out when he's got a defender pressuring like that. Holding your line creates an alley for the shooter that ends in the keepers chest. Cunningham was on the run, with a defender pressuring. Guard the goal.

Posted by: JkR- | September 8, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Uh, the connection between Tech being a "local" team is strictly because of their rise in football (the boring kind with commercials) prominence. They were not considered local when I was a high schooler in the area---despite the fact that there were plenty of alum/students from NOVA. Afterall, the WAPO wants to sell papers.

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Penn State is closer than Tech as the crow flies, or as the crow drives in his Prius.

And may have as many alumni in the area...

Posted by: JkR- | September 8, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Reignking:

And yet he is often public enemy #2, behind Soehn, for not carrying the team by himself. It boggles the mind.

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On this Wicks-James dispute, I guess we have an agree to disagree situation.

To me, James had 2 outs on that one and blew both. If Wicks is on his line, he blocks the shot, sure, but what I'm saying is that there absolutely should not have ever been a shot of any kind on that play. If James takes 3 running strides, rather than jogging, he heads the ball to Wicks and nothing happens. Preventing shots from being taken is better defending than letting your keeper make saves.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | September 8, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

How's DCU stadium deal coming along?

Posted by: lgm6986 | September 8, 2009 2:40 PM
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Speaking of which, what's the latest on a third jersey?

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit that I'm pretty amused: all it took was some (frankly unnecessary--there's a reason coaches have this kind of discretion) transparency and everyone's turned a corner on Soehn.

Moral of the story--if you don't understand it, it must be incompetence/irrational conspiracy to defraud fans.

Thanks Goff! A 3 comment-thread-post day--a record?

Posted by: vivzig | September 8, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Julian de Guzman is in Toronto...

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 5:37 PM
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Apropos of Emilio's sucking and Toronto bringing in a real DP, when is DCU going to get a deserving DP?

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Goff! A 3 comment-thread-post day--a record?

Posted by: vivzig | September 8, 2009 7:54 PM |

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Not even close. You must be new around here. I think the record might be 8.

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

fischy, vivzig is referring to how many comments he actually posted in this thread. You need to read more betterer. And yes vivzig, I was thinking that three actual comments in a single post from the man himself signified something special.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

@OWNTF:

I haven't started counting yet -- 5 home games in a row still has my interest even if I have to be an eternal optimist to think United might make it past the first round.

Besides, who cares when MLS starts? The countdown commences once we know when United opens. If we're lucky, that will be against Philadelphia.

Posted by: Curious99 | September 8, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I hear the third jersey is going to be a dips throw back...

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Nah, . . . Team America. Dips are too retro.


But either way is fine. I still have a hat from each team.

Posted by: Curious99 | September 8, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Must have been quite an exchange.

Posted by: vivzig | September 8, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

fischy, vivzig is referring to how many comments he actually posted in this thread. You need to read more betterer. And yes vivzig, I was thinking that three actual comments in a single post from the man himself signified something special.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 8:11 PM
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Then, vizvig can't count. There are 4 comments from Goff.

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Reignking:

And yet he is often public enemy #2, behind Soehn, for not carrying the team by himself. It boggles the mind.

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On this Wicks-James dispute, I guess we have an agree to disagree situation.

To me, James had 2 outs on that one and blew both. If Wicks is on his line, he blocks the shot, sure, but what I'm saying is that there absolutely should not have ever been a shot of any kind on that play. If James takes 3 running strides, rather than jogging, he heads the ball to Wicks and nothing happens. Preventing shots from being taken is better defending than letting your keeper make saves.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell |

Agreed. Wicks might've done better but Jones was the main culprit.

Posted by: KireDCU | September 8, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Still can't see how James is the main culprit. Yes, he didnt' play the ball well. Yes, Cunningham might have scratched off a shot.

But James was right there and was still pressuring the ball. There's absolutely no reason for Wicks to leave his line. Zilch. Ergo the blame falls on 80-20 on Wicks.

Posted by: delantero | September 8, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Thanks, DadRyan. He definitely got cranky over the Szetela thing, which I found significant also (which is why I brought it up). I'll be interested to watch the story unfold. We should start a Szetela-Soehn conspiracy page!

And thanks fischy. I stand in awe over your display of mathematical superiority. How do you maintain your humbleness?

Posted by: vivzig | September 8, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Agreed. Wicks might've done better but Jones was the main culprit.

Posted by: KireDCU | September 8, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Dangit, I hate to be a butt about this, and I see your point, but it bugs me that people think James was at fault for giving up a bad-angle chip. It wasn't like Cunningham had a decent look at goal at all. I'm reasonably certain that the team doesn't mind giving up a pressured shot from a bad angle. Isn't that what the defense is supposed to do, funnel the attackers away from goal, not towards it? James had his man running directly towards the endline and the BEST thing Cunningham could hope for was maybe a rebound after the ball goes straight to the keeper from that angle. Am I way off here? The "we'll take those shots" type thing? If Josh Wicks stays on his line, there's no way that ball gets past him barring it going through his legs. There should have been no problem, but Wicks gave Cunningham a net to shoot at, not a net completely filled with keeper like there should have been. Someone explain this to me if I'm off, which I probably am. (And I'm not trying to hate on Wicks, this just bugs me because it seems to me like James did his job adequately)

(/rant)

Posted by: sockey1 | September 8, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

@HowdyDCU: well played.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 8, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I hear the third jersey is going to be a dips throw back...

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

That's my line. :)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 8, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

All this talk of practice reminds me of...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGDBR2L5kzI
Surely most of y'all have seen or heard this

Posted by: carmines757 | September 8, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

How do you maintain your humbleness?

Posted by: vivzig | September 8, 2009 9:17 PM |
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I have always kept a reminder -- a postcard-sized drawing and caption that says "When you're as GREAT as I am, it's hard to be humble!"

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Compara Tino's comments last week to Soehn's comments today about Gomez and Szetla...which one hurts the team more...Soehn's. Maybe these quotes are out of context but to me, they strike all the wrong chords. All negativity with no real sense that there is strategy or coaching behind the decisions he is making.

Posted by: jnel | September 8, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

fischy, vivzig is referring to how many comments he actually posted in this thread. You need to read more betterer. And yes vivzig, I was thinking that three actual comments in a single post from the man himself signified something special.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 8:11 PM
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Then, vizvig can't count. There are 4 comments from Goff.

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse


Jesus, who pissed in your coffee pot this afternoon fischy? Like I said, you need to read betterer. Goff's direct reply to I-270's conspiracy theory isn't an *actual* comment in this thread. It's one thing to be a stuck up tight wad, but it's a whole different ball of wax to go out of your way to belittle someone in these threads because you missed a bunch of the discussion earlier in the day and you feel like you need to make some sort of dent in the atmosphere. It's been a while since I felt the need to call you out on much, but in this case you're kinda being a richard.
Us United fans need to stick together man.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Actually, I didn't go out my way to belittle anyone. I didn't make sense out of this elocution: "A 3 comment-thread-post day". I made a light-hearted comment about being new here, because I didn't recognize the poster's "name". I even took your "read betterer" comment in good humor, and replied in a light-hearted manner about there being 4 posts, not 3. I guess I should have written that he needed to "count betterer" -- that way my humorous intent would have been clear?

It's one thing to participate in good-natured fun in blogging, but taking light comments or this blog too seriously, or responding with personal attacks is kinda being a richard, too.

Posted by: fischy | September 8, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Dad, Jesus didn't piss anything fishy in the coffeEpot this afternoon. Jesus loves Fred! Peace be with the blog. And all its posters. Amen.

Posted by: dccal | September 8, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Settle down people. Let's direct our anger and frustration toward the guy who deserves it-- Tom Soehn.

But if you guys are gona jab, I'll take one too...

Dadryan- "Goff's direct reply to I-270's conspiracy theory isn't an *actual* comment in this thread."

What makes a SG comment "actual"?

Posted by: redskinsux | September 8, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Crap, my winking smiley key isn't working too good today. Musta worn it out talking trash on Sounders forums...

@fischy, I get no pleasure from attacking DCU fans, and even less folks I feel like I know around here, yet I've never met face to face.
I just thought you torched vivzig, and wether or not anyone is particularly familiar with them, it wasn't like they were hailing the Sounders attendance figures or talking nonsense about the Red Bulls making the Cup Final again... They were just stating the obvious: It's always an interesting read, when Goff has multiple replies in any particular thread. We really need to get on with this meet and greet SI tailgate one of these days....
How about at the USA/Costa Rica match?

@redskinsux, you probably know I was just making fun of the hair splitting, by splitting some of my own, but I would say that when Goff is directly responding to someone, by beginning his comment by writing someone's handle, he's pretty much just talking to that person, and it's not an "actual" comment. ;-)

Posted by: DadRyan | September 8, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

How about at the USA/Costa Rica match?
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I'm down or up for that. I had a fleeting thrill after the USOC final, when I passed the Goffer himself in the bowels of RFK. I got to meet a few DCUers, but I'd much rather have met Goffino, or even some of the posters here.

Also -- If Jesus loves Fred, he's much more forgiving than the rest of us...or, he's not a DCU fan.

Posted by: fischy | September 9, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Dadryan-

I agree there's been a little too much hairsplitting recently. Maybe the rain? Anywho, I think getting all the SI loyalists to meet at a game is a great idea. I'd actually want to meet at a United game though. Perhaps the last regular season game on 10/17 Saturday - 8:00 PM vs. Columbus? We can all show up wearing signs or name tags that say our *true* names, e.g. redskinsux, fischy, dadryan, I-270, delantero, chest_rockwell, etc. Haha, now that would be a sight!

Posted by: redskinsux | September 9, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

"I got to meet a few DCUers, but I'd much rather have met Goffino, or even some of the posters here." -Fischy

Thanks for rubbing it in fischy!! Just kidding, lol..Again to reiterate, I was seriously considering waiting outside that night and it just kills me that I didn't.

Posted by: redskinsux | September 9, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Shucks, I still feel bad that I haven't met up with BaRRD and Mr. BaRRD after they so shamelessly promoted their Red Devils by sending my daughter a kit!

Columbus match would be a possibility, but that's kinda up to the Club at this point. If they don't get at least 4 points this week I doubt many of us are going to bother showing up to watch Columbus hand us our pink slips.

The final Qualy for the US men will either be a white knuckler, or a going to South Africa boogie down, so either way it's kinda looking like a can't miss event.

I'll say this, I've never met an SI loyalist I didn't like in person.
I'd like to think that trend will continue.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 9, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

I just figure everyone recognizes my handle from BigSoccer, which I gave up for my health. Guess there';s not as much crossbreeding as I thought.

WOULD like a rep button for DadRyan though. What the heck do you call these things besides "comment-thread-posts"? Seems to hit all the major highlights. And its different for Goff, as fischy so easily misunderstood, since he posts all the time...but not in the comment section.

Posted by: vivzig | September 9, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

No one had a better work ethic than Jerry Rice.

Posted by: Reignking | September 8, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't questioning his work ethic. However, throughout his career it was commonly noted that he had game speed not practice speed or track speed. Hence, he was a gamer.

Posted by: croftonpost | September 9, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

I think the argy-barginess on this thread is just a matter of semantics. vivzigged when he should have zagged.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 9, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Heh heh. Enough zigging and zagging to leave me dizzy, that's for sure. If you guys have a get together, is someone going to hire security? And Dad Ryan, what's this fair weather fan stuff about not going to the last game if it doesn't count? Remember the Hudson years, when whole seasons didn't count?

Posted by: regularfan | September 9, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Actually regular fan I don't know jack about the Hudson era in the first person. I didn't live in the area until about 5 years ago.
It's also not really a fair weather fan issue, I have nearly ZERO income and even less *play money*. I also don't have season tickets. As much as I'd like to go to every home match in person I don't have the financial means. So, I scrape pennies to make it to matches that aren't televised, or ones vs opponents I love to hate, and watch every other one either online or tv. If DCU doesn't get some points in the next couple weekends, attending any more of their matches this season will be scratched off my list of priorities.

The US/Costa Rica match has slowly but surely crept up to the top of that list over the course of the last 6 or 7 months.

Why would we need security if we just had a big ol' SI tailgate along the tree line next to the river in lot 8? Wouldn't want them messin' with my bowl roastin' anywayz...:)

Posted by: DadRyan | September 9, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

All fair points. As to the Hudson era, lets just say that those of us who went through it are probably among those who have been urging patience with Soehn . . .

Posted by: regularfan | September 9, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Goffinho,
Does DCUnited perform internal doping tests on their players? just wondering...

Posted by: juanma_carr | September 9, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The fact that Goff bothered to respond to the "conspiracy" of Szetela, simply adds credence to it.

Posted by: alecw81 | September 9, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

no way a guy like this could not get along with soehn. I just don't see it.

http://usa.worldcupblog.org/files/2008/10/danny-szetela.jpg

Posted by: wordup1 | September 9, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

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