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Open Cup: United-Sounders

Greetings from RFK. Hey, there's a trophy at stake tonight!

Kickoff: 7:30 p.m.
TV: Fox Soccer Channel.
Announcers: Max Bretos and Brian Dunseth.

DCU formally introduced Bill Hamid, an 18-year-old goalkeeper, as its first youth academy signing. Hamid will not be eligible to play in MLS matches this year but is available for Champions League and friendlies. I will have more on Hamid's signing in a separate thread later tonight.

DCU LINEUP: Wicks; Namoff, Jakovic, Burch; Pontius, Simms, Olsen, Gomez, Fred; Moreno, Emilio. Subs: Kocic, John, McTavish, Jacobson, Wallace, Quaranta, Szetela.

Your pregame, in-game and postgame thoughts are welcome.

By Steve Goff  |  September 2, 2009; 6:31 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , U.S. Open Cup  
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Comments

First! Woo!

Posted by: StewartDC8 | September 2, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Szetela made the bench?! Has hell frozen over?

Posted by: jason1551 | September 2, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

*gasp*

Cats and dogs.

Posted by: B_A_ | September 2, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

...now watch him score two goals after he enters the game in the 67th minute.

Posted by: sockey1 | September 2, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm really curious about Szetela, hope he's subbed in. Got my after work run in--trail behind Lot 8. Lots of folks out early, heading back out the door with my $10 beer allotment. Win this thing!

Posted by: DCB23 | September 2, 2009 6:49 PM | Report abuse

Is James cup-tied? Sad we're in a 3-5-2 and have only one 'defender' on the bench...

Posted by: joshuaostevens | September 2, 2009 6:56 PM | Report abuse

Is James cup-tied? Sad we're in a 3-5-2 and have only one 'defender' on the bench...

Posted by: joshuaostevens |

James is cup tied.

Posted by: sockey1 | September 2, 2009 6:59 PM | Report abuse

James is cap-tied from playing with Houston. MacTavish and John are on the bench as backup defenders.

Posted by: jason1551 | September 2, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Finger hovering over mute button. But then what would I complain about?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 7:07 PM | Report abuse

Gomez, Moreno, Olsen = slowest team ever...

Who knows? Maybe it'll work.

Posted by: florifischetti | September 2, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

No Sullivan...sweet.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Any live feeds? no cable and didn't see it on any usual suspects for online.

Posted by: evanskr521 | September 2, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

The one that I have posted 3 times today is up.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

argh, I'm not getting Limarzi like I always do on USOC games! :(

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 2, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICKS!!!!

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

gonna save that one. thanks and wicks with a huge save as well.

Posted by: evanskr521 | September 2, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I love the Brava and Eagles turning and pointing at the Seattle contingent while singing about what they would do if they had wings the of eagles

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Gomez tried to go coast to coast...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

You can understand wht they are saying?

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I-270, is it Gomito time?

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I've got it on the tv, not the laptop.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Wicks with another huge save (not a good shot by Ljung though)...what a stupid turnover from Fred. And he gave up.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I do, too...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

The ones I know I can figure out based on the tune, I can even do a few of the Madrid ones by now, and that's without knowing Spanish.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

You know what the main problem with the US Open Cup is? It's not named after a really crappy beer. So I'll drink to the Lamar Hunt Milwaukee's Best Cup!

Posted by: diego_r | September 2, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Is Drew Carey in the house?

Posted by: mateo_md | September 2, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Dejan Jakovic was amazazing right there

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Jakovic saves our bacon again...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Ah...I've never known any songs...

This cup is named after a scotch -- Dewar. Go for that.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Volume is jumping up and down tonight...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The Cup was founded by Dewar, but the tournament doesn't have any connection to alcohol anymore. We've thrown away that tradition :(

If we promote the long history of alcohol and soccer in this country, we could tap in a huge market of people who like sports and like drinking, regardless of which sport and what the drink is.

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | September 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

A lot of them are from my memory of the game in Charleston this spring

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Argh...just some mindless passes going nowhere. Nice shot by Olsen.

DCU doing well with possession but not creativity to spring many shots. Seattle doing well on the counter.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:10 PM | Report abuse

I LOVE watching those bleachers bounce

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Jakovic doing a great job not letting Montero getting anything off...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone word on attendance? How does it look on TV?

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | September 2, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Geez.. DC looks terrible..slow and way to obvious... Wicks is the only player on point...

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Great run by Moreno...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

@#@#$ useless passes like that, right to Keller. What are they thinking on those?

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Gomez should've at least put it on goal.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Fred is useless, particularly in a 3-5-2. Too much space for Seattle, even though Simms is falling into the middle of the back when necessary. Bring on Wallace for the flanks.

Posted by: gmoore1 | September 2, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Time to get Fred out of the game. He just keeps giving up the ball. Why not play Szetela or Quaranta?

Posted by: mikeu2 | September 2, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Wicks = 10.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Josh Wicks is playing as large as his afro once was.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and the flags, I love those too

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

scoreless at the half - what are odds that this will go to extra time?

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Any doubts why Wicks gave Burch the riot act?

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

I think every keeper should be able to scream whenever they want at whomever they want if they can follow up with a game like Wicks is playing tonight.

Posted by: dcuIII | September 2, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Three outstanding saves from Wicks, and great play by Jakovic. I'd like to see Wallace come in for Fred, more pace and can provide that makeshift fourth defender/ outside wing.

Posted by: Josh8 | September 2, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Three observations from the first half:
1. Three in the back is a disaster waiting to happen.
2. Pontius needs to play up top.
3. Fred sucks.

Posted by: dcarmy | September 2, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

wow - snuggies for dogs . . . gotta love the FSC ads

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Wicks is having an incredible game!

His quick distribution has been awesome!

Posted by: Barracudas | September 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Fred is not effective
3-man back line leaks
Wicks needs to yell more
I'm trying to think of a catchy nickname for the attacking three. Silver Triangle or Olden Triangle?
Minutes 35-40 were good

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm in 306. Drew pass over our heads into the club level. I dtold him rave green sucked.

Now stock in a beer line.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

Halftime thoughts:

when did Fred become the worst player on earth? Szetela this could be your time.

Remind me - or everyone - to send wicks a box of chocolates.

Burch, love ya man, but one fake dude. ONE. It will do wonders.

Benny, love ya too man, but stop walking before you start screaming. Looks like you're out for a round of golf.

Finally, go DC!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 2, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Fred IS the weakest link...let's hope Soehn says "good-bye" for the second half.

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Bretos is an idiot. "Those we hit right at him." Is Bretos referring to the kick saves or the point balnk shots? Bretos is an idiot.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Tino in for Fred

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Think I heard Q in, Fred out?

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Wow what a crap foul. Make them pay.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:42 PM | Report abuse

If at first you don't succeed, try, try try again . . . one of these free kicks has to go in, right?

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

emilio's first touch has been crap all game.

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Nice hair, Montero.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

emanon...or let someone else take it. Burch is the USOC FK specialist.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

My brother and I were juuust talking about that Reignking

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Someone please stop Gomez from shooting.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

And Gomez skies another. It's really hurting the team.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:49 PM | Report abuse

17300+ attendance

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Grr...great run by Olson (after a great cross by Q)...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Best chance of the night (and Pontius was leveled)

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

LUCI!!! AHHH!!!

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Stuck in a hotel in Poughkeepsie with a spotty feed that makes it seem as though I'm listening to Bretos on the radio. Ugh.

Will take a goal a fewer long shots flying way over the bar, please.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | September 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

17300+ attendance

Posted by: Reignking

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per Goff's tweet: that is the third largest since MLS joined the tournament in 1996

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Ug...I hope that's not Zakuani's knee, and just a hammy. He is standing.

Congrats to the DCU FO on a successful marketing campaign! 17k is pretty impressive.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Zakuani back in, offside...whew.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but it's still just about 1/8 of what Seattle would've pulled in...

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Who will be DCU's next sub?

Posted by: mateo_md | September 2, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Put Q in the center...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

F.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Wicks just got himself banned for the season. Hope Kocic is ready.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

...

And: ...

Posted by: B_A_ | September 2, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Montero goal on rebound...apparently Wicks did something after the goal...oh crap that was wrong.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Marc Burch asleep on defense again. Shocker.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

speed kills. and what was that from wicks. what an ass.

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Wicks is red-carded for being an idiot. Nothing short of an idiot. Time to cut this bum.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Man...and such a fantastic game from Wicks. Kocic is your next sub, mateo.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

WOW . . .

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Wicks STOMPED on Montero's hand.

On the "bright" side, as we know from the Blanco incident, this won't carry over to the MLS season.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Now Josh Wicks is going after the 4th official. Class act.

Now 10-man DC United down 1-0 to Seattle in the 70th minute. They're bringing on Kocic and leaving Christian Gomez. About time. His shooting was awful tonight.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

That used to be called "pulling a Rooney", then Pepe took him off the hook. Now, Josh Wicks just took control of that. Simply despicable. I don't want him on the field, cause I don't want to have to root for him. I don't have the words that are legal to use here for that. Simply a total and utter disgrace. Is it too late to cut him from the squad?

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Wicks did stomp on Montero, but Montero grabbed his chest where no contact was made. Montero knew to stay down until Wicks was sent off. Smart move by Montero. Dumb move by Wicks.

Posted by: diego_r | September 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

FK coming. At least Gomez can't take it.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Geeez, what an idiot.

Posted by: Hokienautic | September 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

20 minutes to pull out a miracle. Hard to do especially when the finishing tonight has been woeful.

Emilio gets fouled. Marc Burch about to get a free kick. Maybe he'll get it in the 4th row instead of the 14th row like Gomez.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Burch pulls a Gomez.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Nope. The ball sails into the 40th row. March Burch is a knob

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

diego: yeah, at first I thought Montero had landed awkwardly on his chest

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The 4th official saw it. Wicks was getting sent off if Montero got up to celebrate with his mates. That was... I don't have words.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

DC's first touch is killing the pace of their attack.

Almost an own-goal by Riley.

Corner kick. DC

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Gutsy clearance by Riley. Corner...gotta capitalize.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

I'm trying to remember the last time I saw such a schizo performance from a player- Wicks kept DC in the game for 65+, but now he might have sealed our fate.

Posted by: ricky_b | September 2, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Did he actually get his hand? Nothing looked that clear.... if so then that was stupid...but the goal was coming anyway....

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

This is such BS. First Prus missed two PKs. One on the Riley hand ball. The other on a foul on Pontius that he completely missed (could have been a free kick-that is questionable). F Prus...F Wicks for retaliating ... and F Montero the rapist!!!! This is the fourth or fifth game we have been screwed.

Posted by: no_recess | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

So who want to defend Wicks' temper now? I've hated his constant yelling and now he has killed his team in an important match. Send him bakc to LA.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | September 2, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

15 minutes left.

DC has had plenty of opportunities and wasted so many chances. Shooting straight at the keeper or the beerman in the 20th row isn't a way to score goals.

Can anyone remind me why Ljundberg is a DP? He's useless for Seattle

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

It looked live, and in replay to me, like two feet to the "crotchal zone", if I can use a Run Fatboy Run reference.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Montero first grabbed his rib cage, then had his leg stretched out - wonder if he actually hurt anything

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

bretos, "sounders the far better team."

uhhhh actually, before they gave up that goal, dc was the better team during the second half

Posted by: andrew23 | September 2, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Time to give Szetela a chance

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | September 2, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

these constant "professional fouls" by seattle are disgusting. when it's this obvious, why no red? soccer rules need to change.

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

10 minutes left for a miracle.

Emilio looks wasted. He hasn't done much except for a shot at Keller (shocker) and a couple of runs without the ball. Not much going for a DP.

Set pieces are a joke for DC. Does Tom Soehn not get the guys to practice this?

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

No Szetela. Only Wallace. Good grief.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Again it was not clear if he landed on anything... if he had I think 200 lbs would have crushed it....

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh no. Ben Olsen out for Rodney Wallace. No chance now.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Santino takes a Santino shot. Guess where that one landed.

7 minutes left plus injury time.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Even Dunseth realized how wrong he was in what he was saying by pausing during "What you do now by bringing in Rodney Wallace is your adding instant... offense"

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Well damn.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Frak.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

2-0. One of the French/Candian ponces scored.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:19 PM | Report abuse

The one positive out of this loss is perhaps it finally puts Tommy boy on the bus out of town....

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Criminal marking. No DC United player within 8 yards of the player Letoux.

2-0 Seattle.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

This may be a free kick, and I may not know who's taking it, but I know it's going well high

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Another DC United free kick. 23 yards out.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Or not. 2-1

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

at least we won't be playing in any fixture-congesting tournaments next year.

This team is done. Fred needs to go first. After that - I'm not sure if it's all Soehn's fault - but probably the whole coaching staff (Ashton and Simpson) should follow.

Unfortunately, I think we're in for a few years of rebuilding.

Posted by: diego_r | September 2, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

guess that deserves another WOW . . .

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

How many minutes of injury time.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Seattle under siege now.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Five minutes is a lot of time

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

A man down with Seattle trying to waste time really hurts right now....

Posted by: inbetweenswims | September 2, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

1 minute left

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

DC 1 minute left

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

WE don't often WIN TROPHIES anymore.

Posted by: speculation | September 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

ug moreno...anyway, DCU was drained...blah

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Can we officially start the "Countdown to Tom Soehn's Firing" yet?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

WTF Moreno?

Posted by: B_A_ | September 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

dear front office,
i dont want to hear another thing about winning trophies until THIS team can actually win one.

Posted by: andrew23 | September 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Hard to feel good after Wicks' idiocy

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

...moreno you s#*k...what was that? our old player have been terrible this year.

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Well damn. Okay. US plays saturday. I've got football games friday and saturday. Football starts saturday. Florida is a 63.5 point favorite. I've still got that going for me.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 2, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Wanted: A strong front office and coach for sub-par soccer team. Added bonus if said group can get a stadium for said team.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

thanks wicks...

Posted by: rademaar | September 2, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Soehn's game plan was crap... start all the oldest, slowest players on the team against the pace of Seattle...come on... a joke...

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

We are going to be on the business end of the s**t talk and we deserve it.

Wicks is an absolute IDIOT and I cannot believe I had his back last week. That was a bone-head play all the way. He cost us this title.

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

totally agree. my wife knows nothing about soccer and she noticed how incredibly slow dc is compared to seattle. this team needs to rebuild with speed.

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I had a sinking feeling as soon as I saw it was going to be a 3-5-2. How many times must we lose before it sinks in to the coach that it isn't working??!!

If it's me and the season ends today:

Wicks is gone (benched fo the rest of the season anyway)
Fred is gone
Burch is gone
Soehn is gone
Richie Williams becomes our coach with Olsen as his assistant.

Posted by: RRP1 | September 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Other than Q, who else would you play from that bench?

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

*sigh* Gotta question the discipline of this team at this point. Doesn't seem to be communication or organization at vital points in the past few matches. Aside of Benny's passion, the team doesn't seem to have a real leader.

Seattle deserved the win. They executed better, supported each other better, and had much better first touches.

I'm no fan of Montero - and, after the last two matches - no fan of Wicks either. He's got alot to prove now.

Classy comments from Keller post game.

Posted by: inbetweenswims | September 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Seattle. Keller is pure class in the interview.

There is no redemption for Soehn now. DC will crap out of the CONCACAF CL and not make the playoffs. I don't see him motivating the players after this or picking the right line-up.

I'm with JFATL-ish: GO USA! Go Gators!

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

This team CANNOT play in a 3-5-2. Not with the tools we have right now. Both goals (and on all dangerous looks) - the min. Jakovic gets pulled out the rest of the morons just watch. No sense of cover.

On goal 2 - Simms comes in late, ball watching the whole freakin' way there.

But the epitomy of STUPIDITY bordering MADNESS was Wick's dumb reaction to a goal HE caused by spilling the shot.

If I'm the idot called Soehn, Wicks is done. He sits out the rest of the season and is dismissed at the end. It's not just the goal, it's the collosal idiocy and dirty play.

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how you would play a 4-man line w/ those guys.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Here, here RP1.

And don't forget...

Moreno pay-cut or gone
Emilio giant pay-cut or gone

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

had a sinking feeling as soon as I saw it was going to be a 3-5-2. How many times must we lose before it sinks in to the coach that it isn't working??!!

Posted by: RRP1 | September 2, 2009 9:35 PM
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I brought up this same point a few weeks ago (not to mention also brought up the point last year and 2 years ago when Bonehead Tommy tried to install the 3-5-2).

Each year this fantastic, HOF coach has tried to put in a 3-5-2 only to see it blow up in his face. EVERY YEAR!!! And yet we keep getting the same results. Isn't there a saying about insanity inregards to trying the same thing over and over but expecting different results.

Heck, even Jakovic has said he's more comfortable with 4 on the backline.

So long Tommy. The countdown's begun.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought I heard a whistle on that 2nd goal, before the cross. Anyone else?

Wicks was fantastic all night -- and that would've been a difficult shot to catch. But that stomp...ug.

go Gamecocks tomorrow night...

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the Fire Tommy bandwagon has been pulled out of the garage and has been gassed up and ready to roll. We looked terrible in the back tonight and Moreno should have been the sub after Wicks' "stomp heard round the world." He and Fred both looked old, slow and useless.

For those who are not sure what happened or didn't see it, Wicks without out a doubt took a two footed leap on to Montero's hand.

Posted by: benmadden2 | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

4-man line

Namoff-Jakovic-McTavish-Burch

Posted by: RRP1 | September 2, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how you would play a 4-man line w/ those guys.

Posted by: Reignking
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Good point, probably would have been

Burch - Jakovic - McTavish/John - Namoff

which might not have been that much better

Posted by: emanon13 | September 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Did I say Burch, I'm sorry, I meant Haiburga (sp?)

Posted by: RRP1 | September 2, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Ha, you are right -- I totally forgot about McT. I think Soehn has, too. Only 8 games this year in the regular season.

Obviously, John isn't start-quality.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

did bretos just criticize dc for not watching the trophy ceremony? are they supposed to? what's the etiquette?

Posted by: birdynumnum | September 2, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Habababooey

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

@RRP1: I hope you mean for the rest of the season. Jakovic will be going to Europe in the winter transfer window. He's too good for MLS.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

In regards to the 4 backline, in the limited times I've seen James I've been impressed or atleast I'm not saying "Why is James making that stupid pass/move/etc.?" like I am whenever I see Hamburgesa, Burch, or John play.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Reignking - We absolutely need 4 back there. Everytime we were in trouble - goal, miss or dangerous look - Jakovic has been pulled out of the middle and the rest of the team does not have the defensive intelligence to cover for him. Perhaps with another defensive player with that center defending intelligence would have helped. McT has the smarts for that.

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Jakovic was the best player on the field tonight for DC. Thanks to Sohen and his 3-5-2, we were set up for failure... again

Posted by: Jaywag86 | September 2, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

There is no debate that Burch is better on outside of a 4 man line, either.

I-270: as long as no one saw that CCL game

He was very good tonight.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Whoops, that was Janicki. Knew that was wrong when I was typing it, but couldn't recall the other J-man.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

I'm watching the US Tennis Open now. Serena is playing Melinda Czink. To beat Serena, Melinda will have to throw in everything but the Kitczen Czink.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

3-5-2 is a joke with this team. With clever, stout defenders such as the ones you see in German and English leagues, it works. However, with this group of jokers under the expert tutelage of Mr. Tom Soehn it has become the blind leading the blind.

Fire the guy already.

Posted by: doctortechie | September 2, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

C'mon ya'll. Let's grab our pitch forks, our tar, our feathers, etc. and lets go get us some DCU coach and front office.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I watched the first half and then went back and sped through the second half later.

Based on the first half, we should have been down 3-0 before we had any really good chances. So we didn't deserve to win.

On the Wicks thing. I watched the replays and still have seen no camera angle that shows conclusive contact. There is a stomping-like motion and then Montero crying like a baby that was kicked in the stomach.

IMO the best camera angle they showed was from behind the goal but far away. You can see wicks jumping to Montero's far side. The line official who called this was on the side of Montero
so he could not see Wicks cleats landing on grass or Monteros hand (possibly).

This leads me to believe one of the following:

1) Wicks just made an angry stomping motion too close to Montero. Montero would fake injury guaranteed.

2) Wicks was pretending to stomp on him, purposely coming close to doing it, but not doing it. In this case he still deserves what he got.

3) He actually did it, but there is no conclusive evidence.

Anybody actually see his cleats actually go into Montero's chest?

Does it matter? Season is just about toast.


Posted by: united100 | September 2, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Tom Soehn's favorite movie:

Dead Man Coaching

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I would like Chest's take on this, but I think DC has a 3-5-2 fetish because...

a) Soehn loves it (especially when in a full body latex suit)

b)it is supposed to give Gomez the free reign in the middle to support a slow and slower Emilio and Moreno (pick which is which)

The problem is we don't have the defenders to do it. Gomez is also losing a step and is easy to close down and Fred really sucks in a 3-5-2 (or it could just be that Fred sucks all together, but he has looked stronger in a 442)

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 2, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Bad time for Wicks to do a Sanchez impression. He's got the natural skill but definately not the composure to be a top notch keeper. He's got to go. You can't lose control like that. You just can't. And just a couple days after coming to blows with one of his own team mates, he's obviously not learning from his mistakes. Time for Kocic to step up and to call up the MLS platoon keepers and cut Wicks loose. There's no place for that kind of behavior on a field.

As for the 4 back line up, I definately think it's time. Is it time for Tommy to go? I don't know. Probably not unless you have a definate upgrade already lined up. As late in the season as we are, I'd probably let Tommy stay and look for the replacement in the offseason.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | September 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Could it be time to find some younger guys up front? Not saying they should replace both Emilio and Moreno, merely asking if they need more speed up front.

Posted by: Hayden84 | September 2, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

With Emilio we need his partner to have some speed. That could be Fred, Quaranta or Pontius.

Posted by: RRP1 | September 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

I feel like Dr. Gonzo and/or Raoul Duke (in the beginning of Fear and Loathing) behind the wheel driving the So-Long-Soehn bandwagon.

Hop aboard hitchhikers. Just watch out, this is bat country.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 2, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Uninspiring football. Little to no offensive threat from the run of play.

Simply put, not adequate.

Posted by: tcbannon | September 2, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"Could it be time to find some younger guys up front? Not saying they should replace both Emilio and Moreno, merely asking if they need more speed up front."

I am...Jaime Moreno is an amazing man. But it's time to move on. I have no idea what Emilio was doing out there.

Keeping things positive...atmosphere in RFK for that last 10 minutes was amazing. Nobody was sitting on either side.

Posted by: DCB23 | September 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Wicks = Anger Management Issues

Posted by: BlacknRed5 | September 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Emilio = worst DP ever!

Posted by: Truck | September 2, 2009 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Jakovic may be more comfortable in a 4-4-2 but Simms, Olsen and Gomez are better in a 3-5-2.

Let's face the fact that we don't have good reserve defenders and weakening the midfield to add any of McTavish, John, James, Janicki, Habanothervowel will not suddenly turn us into AC Milan of the early 90's. All those guys are subs for a reason and all have had very cringe worthy moments in defense (McTavish least recently).

Grudging respect to Seattle for their accomplishment.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | September 2, 2009 10:15 PM | Report abuse

Emilio = worst DP ever!

Posted by: Truck

Nope. See Dallas.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Nope. See Dallas.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 10:17 PM

Emilio = worst DCU DP ever!

fixed my post

Posted by: Truck | September 2, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Wicks made a stomping motion but didn't hit meat...Again if a 6' 4"200 pounder like Wicks sank his cleats into Montero's hand he would have broken it in 2.

If it did happen then he should be sent down the river with TS but anyone who thinks Wick's ejection cost DC the game then they're fouling themselves, he was the only thing standing in the way of a complete blow-out.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | September 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

DCU needs to rebuild a good solid team. I'm sorry but Soehn and Fred needs to go, followed by Moreno (36) and Gomez (34).
Build the team around Wallace, Pontius, Jakovic, Santino, and Olsen as the key veteren. Get a strong goalie and a great coach.

Posted by: RPCVforDCU | September 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Wicks = Idiot.....glad I could bring my kid to teach him how to stomp on an opponent and screw your team.
Symms = Lazy
Emilio = No Hustle Even When We Had the Ball On Offense.......should be the first to go.
Emilio = No First Touch
Emilio = No Threat......ever.


Posted by: jamullan | September 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

DCU does not have 4 capable defenders! It's not a "fetish" and it's not $%#@ing rocket science. James couldn't play tonight, so they didn't have much of a choice.

As for Habarugira, there was a slight breeze earlier tonight and he disappeared. Tough as it is, you want to forget that name.

The 3-man back line didn't beat DCU tonight. Neither did Soehn. A class opponent, a SLOW, ball-watching midfield, and incessant squandering of anything resembling an offensive chance did.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

I
Am
So
Sick
of
Bad
Coaching.

Posted by: ldmay | September 2, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Pace and passing...Sounders had it with Ljungberg and Montero, we didn't with Moreno and Emilio. That is the game and that is on Soehn 100%. From the seats, couldn't see what happened with Wicks but if folks reports are true, then he deserved the red card.

Overall, great crowd tonight and very good match. Unfortunately, Seattle was the better team.

Posted by: jnel | September 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Our fate was sealed the moment Soehn trotted out that "Geritol" collection of all stars. Neither Moreno nor Olsen nor Gomez is capable of going 90 minutes, so that's three substitutes you're going to have to make. And what about Fred? Does Soehn really think he's one of our best 11? Not even close. As for Wicks, that was one of the most disgusting, despicable acts I've ever seen a DC United player commit--besides Gomez spitting on a Chicago Fire player. Kocic should start the remaining MLS games and Hamid should play the CCL games. Unfortunately I don't see Payne even contemplating letting Soehn go, which means Moreno, Gomez, Olsen and Fred return. Seattle absolutely deserved to win--they played like the home team.

Posted by: dcarmy | September 2, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

The scoreline flattered United - they were sh*t. On a night that the club tried to bring in some casual fans, they might have ended up turning them off. Joke

Posted by: Kev29 | September 2, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Bye Soehn
Adios Emilio
Sayonara Fred
Au Revoir MLS Cups
Ciao being good

I love Moreno, but he's getting old and we need a younger forward who is as creative as/more creative than him.

Tomorrow: Shooting Practice (Finishing and FKs)
Friday: Passing
Saturday: A probable loss

Posted by: Konoha7 | September 2, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Kev29-
I don't know that I'd go that far. I went with several "casuals" and they all said they'd go back for a league match.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 10:37 PM | Report abuse

all of a sudden now everyone's attacking the people I attacked first and gave me sh*t about it..

lol

Why do I have a feeling Soehn might still be here next year...

DCU's second dark era??? 2005 till...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm not in the mood for puns, I-270Exit1.
6-1 6-1
That's a Common score for Serena in the second round.

//ok, just one.

Posted by: sitruc | September 2, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Soccer Riots in Seattle - film at 11!

Posted by: mateo_md | September 2, 2009 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I think that Payne and Chang will be a bit embarrassed tonight - after all they put into it. Probably the end of the road for Soehn. I know Wicks is cheap and useful in the squad, but they'll be tempted to severely discipline him. I can't imagine Fred will be back next season. Will Chang bought this mess, let's see if he can straighten it out.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 2, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Kev29-
I don't know that I'd go that far. I went with several "casuals" and they all said they'd go back for a league match.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 10:37 PM

Good to hear, mason. Thanks

Posted by: Kev29 | September 2, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I guess Macfarlen (sp) was smart after all..

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Greetings again from Seattle!

17k?

2-1?

Goalie that stomps strikers?

The facts speak for themselves ....

I'd love to blog all night with y'all, but I've got to go to the airport and check out our sweet new trophy.

Bye y'all!

Posted by: EverydayFan | September 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

just got back from the game. Not usually in the group of fire Soehn group but I am so sick of the loosing important games. He needs to go and Kasper needs to go as well. They are really lacking to recruit decent talented guys. It is beyond embarrassing to loose to Settle than to anyone else. What a joke.

And, just to give an idea, not that I am looking forward to bring up some issues but because of that $2 beer and hot dog, every single domestic line is packed with lineup up to 30=60 people standing on the line so I never got that deal. It was so unprepared. I ended up buying usual $7 or $10 beer. Half the people are inside WAITING FOR THE BEER or FOOD in case you ever wondered there weren't many people on the seats. Disbelief.

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | September 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

What I don't understand is why the vitriol isn't directed at the man who is responsible for putting this team together: Kasper.

Posted by: seahawkdad | September 2, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Greetings again from Seattle!

17k?

2-1?

Goalie that stomps strikers?

The facts speak for themselves ....

I'd love to blog all night with y'all, but I've got to go to the airport and check out our sweet new trophy.

Bye y'all!

Posted by: EverydayFan | September 2, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

--------------------------------------------

I think Seattle awaits a rude awakening from the rest of the Concacaf region...

Good luck kiddos!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

@ seahawkdad:

Kasper = worst GM ever!

Hows that?

Posted by: Truck | September 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

For a cup final it was a good one. Lots of chances, good saves, red card drama, and a late push for a come back.

Over all DCU just is not that good right now. There is a lot of talent in the team, but Sohen cant seem to put it together. I have been off the "fire the coach" band wagon, but i am starting to see signs that it may be time for a change. His unwillingness to change out of a formation that has not yeilded results is a big one.

Wicks was hard done tonight. It is hard to beleive that the 4th official saw something from 70+ yards away that the center and AR did not see. I do not like the trend of 4th officials getting involved in on the field issues. The job of the 4th is to police the bench areas, and deal with subs. I think that Wicks plays on the edge and is not always in full control of his emotions, and it cost him tonight. He played very well and is clearly our #1. He needs to learn to control his anger/emotions in critical moments.

Here are my top three changes if I were named head coach tomorrow.

1. switch to a 4-4-2.
2. show Fred and Emelio the door
3. play pontius up top

BTW...I am watching Fox Soccer Report and in the "6 in 60" segment they asked Santino what his favorite adult beverage!? he was flumexed and finally answered "lemonade" What crappy question to ask a recovering addict. Nice research there by the FSC staff.

Posted by: jjfooty | September 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

I want to take the quick route and assume that Tommy coached Wicks to step on peoples ribs in those sorts of situations... but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

What I won't give him the benefit of the doubt on is stubbornly starting a 3 man back line against a 3 man front line. The diagonal runs and use of width early in possession led to acres of central space for Seattle that just got exploited again and again and again. I'm not sure that 4 in the back would've been the best solution, but cover is cover, and Simms was playing as a virtual centerback for most of the game ,from what I saw, so if playing a 4-4-2 meant that we didn't have to see Fred out there tonight, I'm good with it. (Side note on Fred... He's been through alot this year, and I can't blame him if his head isn't back in it yet...)

Posted by: me_ahogo | September 2, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Umm, did Bill Hamid just move up on the depth chart? Is there some contracual reason Hamid won't play for United this year? Young age perhaps?

I thought Wicks hyper in Chicago; not just with the Burch thing. He just seemed hyper. I SWEAR he seems geeked out on cocaine or meth...I'm serious.

Wicks was such an improvement over Wells. What a shame after the game of his life.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 2, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Great crowd and atmosphere tonight but the team really let us down. Wicks was tremendous in the first half but with so many good chances Seattle was bound to get additional ones and they did on that rebound. We generated maybe one chance in the first half and were better in the second but the goal followed by Wicks's debacle finished us.

Tonight this team appeared slow and plodding, just not capable anymore in the final third. The three man back is very problematic. My expectations for the rest of the season are significantly diminished.

Posted by: sbg1 | September 2, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

999: I think he didn't make the MLS roster deadline.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

I talked crap on the internet.
I brought people to the game who'd otherwise never show.
I screamed my lungs out.
I searched for a beer line that was actually worth standing in.
Didn't find it. Stood in it anyway and only was allowed 2.
This club embarrassed me tonight.
I told you I'd be done with it if you didn't win this one.
We look like idiots.
This is why all the other soft piece of crap soccer fans around the world pick their elite euro teams.
Give me a effin' call when we schedule the trip back to Charleston in the spring. Till then I'm finished with the gawd dammmd waste of time this club has become.


Has any club actually ever crapped the bed this bad?
I'd honestly rather be the pink cows than the waste of time and space club called DC United right now.
Suck nutz.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 2, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Bring back the Three Stripes.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | September 2, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Dude calm man!
Its not the team to be blamed, its the front office..and nothing will change until the off-season.

This is what we will expect to see the rest of the season. I dont even know we will even make the supreliga cut. OMG not even superliga!!!

geezz...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

@ above:

Hamid can't play this year due to the same league rule that allowed DCU to promote him despite a full roster. (Read the next SI thread.)

Hope Hamid was watching tonight. Personally I can appreciate someone like Kasey Keller even more now. There's a keeper who is not only a tremendous athlete, still, but has his yin-yang/good cop-bad cop sides in just the right balance. He should really get some consideration as league MVP.

Montero is a fine player too. Combined well with Ljungberg, and I think those two are of a similar mold. Both are worth paying to see. Montero is the obvious R.O.Y. to me (though I'm a big Jakovic fan).

Fair result tonight IMO and I'm looking forward to the rematch.

PS: fire this one and that one and worst ever this and blah blah blah.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 2, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Oswaldo Alonso makes 90K a year. We had a chance to sign him after he impressed in last year's Cup Final vs the Battery.

To me, signing him was a no brainer. He would have been a good fit for a 3-5-2 or a 4-4-2. But we let him go all the way to Seattle.

We lose Doe, our only speedy forward and keep N" Silu and sign Avery "Hack away" John.

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

If you promised $2 beers, and people came because of that, and the lines sucked...well, guess what? They won't be back again. Hope that isn't the case.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

I hope and pray for no Superliga. And we won't be making the Champs League. Just the league to worry about - hopefully with a re-tooled squad. And some Cup games at Soccerplex for the reserves. Bring on 2010!

Posted by: Kev29 | September 2, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Wicks was not "tremendous" in the first half. He was saved by poor Seattle finishing. Not one of those saves was class. They were right at him.

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

2 truly astonishing coaching decisions by TS: 1. Having just seen the effectiveness of a 4-4-2 on Saturday, reverting to a 3-5-2
2. Starting ALL of our oldest players together and keeping Quaranta on the bench, the only one-- along with Szetela-- to have been called up recently for Nat'l team duty. Talk about being outcoached. Sigi was missing his ENTIRE central defense, yet DCU hardly ever threatened.
I am really curious about the consequences after this game; we might even be blown out at Dallas. I hope not, but...

Posted by: bechtoldpk | September 2, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Wake me up when Emilio either controls a ball sent to him, or doesn't just one-time it backward...

Posted by: beergorila | September 2, 2009 11:21 PM | Report abuse

""he was flumexed and finally answered "lemonade" What crappy question to ask a recovering addict. Nice research there by the FSC staff.""

He wasn't flummoxed at all. He laughed, said "I used to have a lot. Now it's lemonade."

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

Fred needs to go back to Brazil. The number of possessions he lost in the first half was waayyyyy too high.

I noticed Pontius switch over to the left side of the field at some point in the game, mainly because nobody on his team saw him standing around wide open on the right as DCU consistently tried to send the ball up the left side to absolutely no avail. And where did DCU's lone goal come from? THE RIGHT.

Great crowd tonight. Should be interesting next year when Philly joins the league.

As for this season, I think the team is done. Tonight's game was their only chance for a trophy this year. If they couldn't win this game, I have a hard time believing they'll be able to make the playoffs.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 2, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, I'm from Philly originally, so I'm used to losing.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 11:27 PM | Report abuse

If you promised $2 beers, and people came because of that, and the lines sucked...well, guess what? They won't be back again. Hope that isn't the case.

Posted by: Reignking | September 2, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

It was impossible to get em. DCU shat the be in more than one way tonight dude. Ask around.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 2, 2009 11:28 PM | Report abuse

SHAT THE BED.
THAT'S WHAT I MEANT TO TYPE.
THIS TEAM LEFT EVERYONE HANGING.
WE'RE DONE FOR THE SEASON.
IM MOVING TO RICHMOND TO ROOT FOR THE EFFIN' KICKERS CUZ THIS IS A WASTE OF MY LIFE.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 2, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

jjfooty-

I have no doubt that the 4O *could* have seen any stomp. It's entirely certain, however, that he didn't have the best view to judge severity or intent, and that the closer officials either saw nothing entirely, or considered it to not me miscondut. 4Os can inform the CR of misconduct that happens outside of the CR and ARs' view. Referee teams wears radios to streamline the process of informing the ref. I couldn't see if they were wearing radios from my seat.

Without radios, the mechanics of such input are very.... undistinguished looking, and rough for the 4O as it becomes obvious he made the call:
1) Misconduct occurs.
2) Players react.
3) CR reacts to players to manage any mass confrontation.
4) CR deals with any injury or "injuries".
5) CR speaks with AR1.
6) If necessary, CR speaks with AR2 and 4O to see if they saw anything.
7) Misconduct penalties applied.

This entire process, of course, is supposed to occur without any assistance from stadium video boards.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

It took 40 minutes to get either $2 beer or $2 hot dogs. They were in different very long lines. That was so frustrating. Thanks DCU and DC Sports & Entertainment Commission? Did you think there were only going to be $12,000?

Then the play on the field....frustrating as well. DC is just not that good this season. The good players are old and slow and the young players aren't ready yet.

Posted by: jamest1 | September 2, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm with Truck and jjfooty that Emilio is the weak link in the chain. If DC had a reliable forward - someone who would move to the ball and who could turn and shoot - we might care less what Burch was doing. Isn't it still true that the best defense is a good offense?

Posted by: djohnson | September 2, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Yeah the line for a hot dog and beer was reeeeeally long in the Corona Whatchamacallit Zone. Tried texting the DCU Text Assist number but got a "not currently active" message in response.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 2, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the beerlines:
Yeah... They sucked. They should have prepoured cups, and not shut off the taps until the 65th.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Just saw the highlights on ch 4 news, they played Seattle's first goal and the Wicks incident - and the stamp again in slow mo. No Seattle second or DC goal - just Wicks. Such a small margin for error for soccer in the mainstream - Wicks stomped all over it - literally. Then again, it could go along with what MLS clubs have been playing up all season - notoriety over quality.

Posted by: Kev29 | September 2, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 2, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

took a nice long walk after this one and it still leaves me with indigestion. trying to move on...

DCU has 7 winnable league games left, and they played well against Chicago. being able to use James will help. getting Szetela in there could help - at the very least he can move without aid of a walker. i would like to see more Jacobson. let Olsen and Gomez come off the bench. sit Emilio down until he finds his muse or whatever he needs to become even moderately useful again. let the young guys play together for a few games and see if they can get some rhythm going.

this team was scoring a ton of goals as recently as a month ago. now they have 4 in their last 6 games (7 if you count the R.M. match). they have to find a way to create chances in the run of play, and they have to finish. it just seems like they have no cohesiveness anymore.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | September 2, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Wicks was not "tremendous" in the first half. He was saved by poor Seattle finishing. Not one of those saves was class. They were right at him.

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse
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Complete and utter crap.

Whatever prejudice folks have developed towards Wicks, the claim that Wicks did not make "class" saves during the first half is beyond absurd and it is ridiculously disrespectful. (And moreover, even if the shots were "right at him," is it just amazing happenstance that he was in the appropriate position?).

The replay is on right now on Fox Soccer Channel. Please watch. Watch Ben Olsen applaud Wicks for his phenomenal save in the opening minutes.

I am furious about tonight's performance. Hanging this on Wicks, however, is indefensible. Until the last ten minutes of the game, Wicks was the only player who played with any heart.

Posted by: CPAddick | September 2, 2009 11:42 PM | Report abuse

Come on, if you look at the eligible players tonight, it would be hard to come up with a lineup that would have fared any better. Soehn went with the guys with experience, the ones he can trust.

That group responded well to being two goals and a man down in a game they expected, and were expected, to win. They just weren't good enough. So, finally, it does become clearer both where the team's strengths are and where they need to improve.

I hope Soehn continues to lean on this exact same group, with the likely addition of James as a 4th back. Whether or not that leads to a shot in the playoffs, it'll leave no more dancing around the question of how good (or not good) DCU can really be.

(and it's wrong to say they 'can't' make the playoffs. they may not, but they are only one point behind.)

Gomez concerns me a bit - he was obviously furious to be subbed out -- went straight to the end of the bench when he came off for Kocic. I didn't like that decision either, but whatever's going on there, I hope it gets squashed.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 2, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Guy has hardly made a class save since he's been here. Lunjberg's shot? Right at him. Montero's shot? Right at him. Zakuani's? Over the bar.

""And moreover, even if the shots were "right at him," is it just amazing happenstance that he was in the appropriate position?""

Uh, the middle of the goal is where he always stands. He hardly moves from it unless it's to up end Julius James.

He waves at shots that other goalies would dive for. In general, he is pretty slow to react. He controls the balls in the air well enough, but overall, he's not a good keeper. And his off play actions almost cost us points at Chicago and tonight, his actions cost us a Cup.

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Not to mention the fact that he should have parried or covered Lundberg's shot that lead to the Montero goal!!

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I like this beer line analysis, and since i can't sleep. Two sad moments tonight; That AWFUL rendition of the anthem. Please stop this, it's not a talent show.

Second saddest moment...the shock on the faces of people waiting in line for the $10 Coronas thinking they were getting the $2 stuff.

Really a poor way to roll out a dirty, smelly, old red carpet for first timers.

Posted by: DCB23 | September 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Del, CPA-
Wicks was the reason that the game was tied at the half. While he didn't have any diving, sprawling, or leaping saves, he had several fabulous reaction saves on shots that were on him in a hurry. Letting two, or even three of those by would have brought him no shame.

He just had a rush of blood to the head, and put his team in a very, very difficult position.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

And that was the weakest shot he faced!

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Can I get a job managing these idiots at Sodexo? How hard is it to make like Burger King and pour off as many large drinks as you might imagine you might sell in the first two minutes of half time if you had them jawnz ready to go? These idiots kept yelling out about what they didn't have instead of shutting the hell up and filling cups.
I didn't even get a chance to smoke during half time cuz these foolz were so bad!
Kevin Payne has donkey nut sauce all up in his grill after this mess tonight.
Thank god I don't have that sacks job.
Ouch!

Posted by: DadRyan | September 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

And Ljundberg's shot/Montero's goals was the weakest shot he faced!

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:52 PM | Report abuse

Really a poor way to roll out a dirty, smelly, old red carpet for first timers.

===

It *is* RFK...

And the Anthem singer suck-diddly-ducked. As soon as he was *intentionally* flat on the "see" in "Oh say can you see..." I knew it was going to be a stinker. He didn't disappoint.

Posted by: mason08 | September 2, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

""How hard is it to make like Burger King and pour off as many large drinks"'

Ha ha, I've taught many a beer vendor how to properly hold a cup so that it doesn't foam up. Tilt the CUP, girl!

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:55 PM | Report abuse

Really?

You dislike the dude enough that you have to make stuff up?

Best of luck with your campaign against Wicks.

I will generally read posts without commenting, but given how Josh performed tonight and how badly the evening turned out for him, diminishing what Wicks did right is aggravating enough to merit a response. No rational person who watched the game tonight or has watched Wicks' performances to date in a United shirt would assert that Josh has "hardly made a class save since he's been here."

Your hyperbole gives away the lack of any substantive support for your digs. But, again, best of luck trying to convince people that up is down and that the sun sets in east.

Posted by: CPAddick | September 2, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

don't get me wrong, I actually love RFK for all of its problems. But the vending...come on DCU, u do an ad blitz for the $2 deal then u have lines snaking through the halls because you don't have enough taps going?

Christ, I'm never going to bed because I'm analyzing beer lines at RFK. Is there a way to get paid for this?

Posted by: DCB23 | September 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Good luck trying to convince anyone that Wicks is anything but an average keeper.

There's a reason LA let him go for a 4th round pick.

"how badly the evening turned out for him"

Correction, how badly he screwed over United and 17,000 fans with his high school/UFC bs. I guess he thinks he's Oswaldo Sanchez?

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 3, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

1. The front office making the "we win trophies campaign reminds me of the time i printed up a bunch of National Championship t shirts for the terps before the final against indiana. Except maryland won!

2. 4 mediocre defenders are better than 3. Use them

3. $2 beer fail. http://failblog.org/ someone please post a picture in line

Other than that, we were beat by a better team...what can you say. This offseason should be very interesting....

Posted by: wordup1 | September 3, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

4-4-2

Learn it. Love it. It's our only chance.

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

@ Goff

Is there a picture of Wicks actually making contact with Montero?

I've watched the MLS videos at least a dozen times and I don't see contact.

I've been to a seminar or two taught by some of the world's top referees. They teach that you should NEVER guess at a call. You call what you see, you know you will miss some, but you NEVER guess.

Based on the number of "oops" this season involving DCU games, I already know there has been a lot of guessing this season. I'm thinking there was a whole lotta guessing going on tonight as well . . . unless of course there's a picture you could show.
Thanks,

Posted by: carnack | September 3, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Goff hits the nail square on the head. Bravo.

Posted by: mason08 | September 3, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Only high school stuff here is the criticism of Wicks.

Begins with bearing false witness regarding his performance, extends to exaggeration regarding the quality of his past performances, and then ends with attempting to set up a straw man that was never presented (who said Wicks was an above-average keeper?).

Attacking a committed player from figments of imagination is, quite simply, wrong. While I am certain that there is nothing that can be written or said that will inject any objective perspective into your unfounded attacks, I call bs.

Posted by: CPAddick | September 3, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Jeez...I'm not sure what game most of you were watching.

Sure, Seattle hit most of their shots at Wicks. However, he made several terrific stops. None of them were easy saves, and he deserves credit for keeping DC in the game despite being outclassed by a noticeably better side. That said, it was one of the best games United has played all year. They played with determination and about as much skill as they have in the tank these days. I thought it was an absolutely thrilling match. If they were all this good, I would never miss one.

Which is not to say there aren't major deficiencies. Of course, we're terribly slow. Jakovic being burned by Ljundberg and Burch being left in the dust on the first goal by Montero. I'm not sure why someone posted that Jakovic "was the best player on the field tonight for DC." He was caught out of position on the first goal and was largely to blame for the second. I-270 thinks he's headed for Europe. I doubt it, but he was the first one out of the locker room and ignored waiting fans as he was engrossed in a cell phone call. Maybe he was talking to his agent... I wouldn't miss him terribly, though he is probably our 2nd best defender.

The team needs a huge overhaul. There's really no one there who is very good at shooting, and they lack the speed to create many putaway chances like Seattle had. I can't blame this one on coaching. We were beat by a better team.

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 12:15 AM | Report abuse

even if he didn't make contact, he tried to menace and intimidate a guy in a defenseless position. It's almost irrelevant if he made contact. He sure conveyed to the whole stadium that his intent was to step on montero. Maybe the perfect haircut caused a momentary moment of hysterical blindness. (yeah, i watched JADE last night. awesomely bad)

bad play. I'd take my chances with 20+ minutes left at home. all was not lost. too bad, too. He was having a pretty good game.

Posted by: wordup1 | September 3, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"Montero is a fine player too."

Montero drove me nuts all game long, and not in that "I can't believe he's so good but he plays for the other team" kind of way. Starting with the "speed stripes" shaved into his head and moving all the way down to the non-matching cleats, he seems just like another one of those me-first, style-before-substance kinds of guy. And his style is to pull shirts, give up on balls and hit the deck if someone breathes on him. I have no idea what the Wicks incident looked like on tv (I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it since I got home), but I saw absolutely nothing in the game that would make me want Montero to be a guy on our team that I'd have to root for.

Posted by: sec133row5 | September 3, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see what Wicks did to Montero from my spot in the stands.
But even through the donktakular homerism of the FSC replay broadcast I could see that that was dirty.


Please DCU front office, get rid of Wicks. bring in Kocic, and Hamid and stop screwing us with that kind of performance. It's a shame Wicks would ruin his standing with me in a match like this. Over what? Once everyone sees the replay they'll realize this guy is a chump and will be asking for as much as anyone.
Wicks lost this game for us with his lack of control.

I was ok with the scuffle with his own boys last week, but beating up on Columbian women's team players who've smuggled sausages onto the pitch in their shorts is really not cool. Send Montero to the WPS with those mismatched boots and could DCU please call up a keeper who isn't an idiot?

Posted by: DadRyan | September 3, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse


good replay at:
http://web.mlsnet.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=6438873&team_id=mls

I keep going back and forth on this. At first look, I think it's an easy call for an intentional stomp. But then, it seems like Wicks is trying to jump over Montero and may miss him all together. But a final glance seems to show Wicks looking directly at Montero and then getting him the hand or possibly the chest.

But I do agree that there is no way that the 4th official had a good enough view of the play to confirm exactly what happened. It may have been the right call, but guesswork was definitely involved.

Posted by: foul_throw | September 3, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

"Montero is a fine player too."

Montero drove me nuts all game long, and not in that "I can't believe he's so good but he plays for the other team" kind of way. Starting with the "speed stripes" shaved into his head and moving all the way down to the non-matching cleats, he seems just like another one of those me-first, style-before-substance kinds of guy. And his style is to pull shirts, give up on balls and hit the deck if someone breathes on him. I have no idea what the Wicks incident looked like on tv (I haven't been able to bring myself to watch it since I got home), but I saw absolutely nothing in the game that would make me want Montero to be a guy on our team that I'd have to root for.

Posted by: sec133row5 | September 3, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

_______________________________

All true. Still a fine player. Still worth paying to see.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 3, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

CP: you don't think putting yourself in a position to get a red card warrants criticism in a "big match"? (beckham world cup 98, the zidane headbutt). These world class guys had trouble living it down for a while.

No one here is on a wickshunt, but when you are average, don't do dumb stuff to get thrown out. that's all there is to it. And to put yourself in a bad position two games in a row (short corner on the first fight could have easily been a goal scoring chance) is nearly unforgivable at the professional level.

That said, wicks is near the least of this teams problems

Posted by: wordup1 | September 3, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@fischy: Jacovic snuffed out a lot of scoring threats throughout the game, particularly in the first half. Without him, Seattle could have been a couple goals up at the half-time whistle. (Yes, he helped cause the first Seattle goal, but overall he played pretty well)

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

That sucked. Montero, and Ljungberg have both proved to be diving specialists in MLS. That doesn't excus Wicks.
Awful.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 3, 2009 12:26 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha, I've taught many a beer vendor how to properly hold a cup so that it doesn't foam up. Tilt the CUP, girl!

Posted by: delantero | September 2, 2009 11:55 PM |

Of course, anyone who knows anything about beer would know that the carbonation that is released by a good head is crucial to pouring a good glass. You can tilt the glass, but make sure you get a good head going first.

And, anyone who knows anything about soccer would give Wicks some credit for being in the right place over and over again and making solid saves. Even on the first goal, he made a great diving stop on Ljundberg. Yeah, Wicks can look casual, especially on balls that miss the target -- and he doesn't offer up the acrobatic leaping saves you see watching the EPL -- but I would be hard pressed to list more than a handful of goals he's allowed that even the best 'keepers would have stopped.

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 12:28 AM | Report abuse

@Juan-John -- He did make some big stops, and he looked pretty decent on the ball (notwithstanding a really bad, stupid crossfield pass near midfield late in the game). I'm not saying he didn't make some plays. Even Marc Burch has made some pretty big stops, but I think we can agree he's not really much of a defender. I'm happy to have Jakovic, but let's not go overboard in praising him. He's got a lot of room for improvement -- and he was at fault on both goals, not just the first. Lost his mark on the first one, and lost possession in the corner on the second.

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

@ wordup1

The difference, my friend, is the color of the card, if one is given at all.

Since Montero had done essentially the same thing to Wicks only a couple of minutes earlier, Prus - if he was consistent - should have done nothing at all (that is what he did when Montero was the actor) unless he clearly saw Wicks contact Montero.

Since Montero first grabbed his arm, then his chest, then his leg, HIS actions suggest there was no contact.

And while I admit that Wicks showed poor (extremely poor) judgment, poor judgment is not - of itself - a cardable offense.

Posted by: carnack | September 3, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the replay.... I'm not so sure about the stomp. Looked to me like Wicks cleared the chest/abdomen. He might have caught that or the hand/arm on the side away from the camera. You can't see what happened from the standard camera angle, but unfortunately the 4O had a very similar angle. The man with the best angle was the CR who was about 25-30 yards out and to the about 5 yards to the left of the center of the field. In other words... He was in perfect position to see exactly where Wicks landed.

Sigh. It's still a silly, risky move, because something could go wrong and if you miscalculate, you'll be pretty much guaranteed to be sent off.

Posted by: mason08 | September 3, 2009 12:40 AM | Report abuse

http://butyoudidntwinthisone.com/

The rivalry begins...

Posted by: halfrack1 | September 3, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

check his hand and his chest, if the cleats dont fit then you must acquit...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 3, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

it really is hard to tell if Wicks did make contact, especially with MOntero grabbing his chest and not his hand, but after all Wicks's transgressions, its really hard to give him the benefit of the doubt. regardless of what actually happened, it would appear the media has made up its mind, which will make it hard for DCU to play him again this season, if ever.

and I do not understand why Soehn continues to use Burch in a 3 man back line. he is clearly not suited to handle the defensive responsibilities of the formation. Namoff and DJak deserve a better linemate.

Fred and Emilio need to pack up and head back to Brazil.

The crowd was great tonight, and Seattle deserves congratulations on their first cup.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 3, 2009 12:46 AM | Report abuse

I laugh at that site, why? Cause they dont know what is expecting them across the border..
A green and purple monster, some red devils, and some gophers...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 3, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

I guess I should cut Jakovic some slack on the first goal. He came from trying to cover Montero -- one weakness in the 3-man line is Jakovic had too much ground to cover. It was Simms who let Ljundberg get in behind.

I'm not sure about what happened with Wicks. I don't imagine he went in the air trying to stomp on Montero. It seems to me that he took the shortest path back to the goal to get the ball. And that meant hurdling Montero. The way he came down, two-footed, looks ugly and deliberate, but Wicks is hardly the most graceful person. He doesn't jump very high and he may have landed awkwardly in trying to avoid Montero, not to stomp on him. Or, maybe he did try to get Montero's hand....

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 12:51 AM | Report abuse

VTU-
I'm just judging by the players actions and the CR's initial positioning and reaction. Wicks history has nothing to do with it. The CR was in position to make that call himself, didn't, gets nothing from AR1, and then sends off a player on the basis of what the 4O says? The 4O happens to be in the least useful (note: not "entirely useless") position on that play.

Posted by: mason08 | September 3, 2009 12:53 AM | Report abuse

ha, judging by the nose bleed, burch really did get ljundberg in the face at the end. by my count, thats three MLS DPs hes cheapshotted to date.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 3, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

@fischy: Maybe Jacovic would be a better defender if he was playing in a 4-4-2 formation? (Not to discount your points -- all good ones)

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 12:55 AM | Report abuse

@VTUnited -- Yeah, but you should have seen the two cuties Burch left with. Aahh, to be a pro athlete...

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 12:57 AM | Report abuse

@Juan-John -- If we had some decent, effective strikers, I'm sure we would be in a 4-4-2. The team would be better in that formation, if we could count on some offense. Hopefully, the FO doesn't go cheapo on us. They need to bring in some serious striking talent.

Posted by: fischy | September 3, 2009 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Anybody else still wired from that game and can't fall asleep...? :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 1:02 AM | Report abuse

Yes. Can't decide whether to drink another beer or not. Watching preseason pointy-ball. That should be dull enough to bore me to sleep.

Posted by: mason08 | September 3, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

@mason08: Yup. Guatemalan rum (Zacapa) isn't helping me. :-)

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

BTW...I am watching Fox Soccer Report and in the "6 in 60" segment they asked Santino what his favorite adult beverage!? he was flumexed and finally answered "lemonade" What crappy question to ask a recovering addict. Nice research there by the FSC staff.

Posted by: jjfooty | September 2, 2009 10:51 PM
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They showed that same clip last Saturday during the DC/Chicago game. I thought it was an "interesting" question to say the least.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 3, 2009 1:07 AM | Report abuse

@fischy: Maybe Jacovic would be a better defender if he was playing in a 4-4-2 formation? (Not to discount your points -- all good ones)

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 12:55 AM
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During last weeks DC/Chicago game the announcers made it a point to say that Jakovic has actually said he prefers the 4-4-2.

Of course Bozo The Coach thinks the team (each of the past 3 seasons) is better in a 3-5-2.

So long coach. Adios.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 3, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

mason08, I was saying that after watching the clip and seeing that what happened was somewhat open to interpretation, I'm having a hard time giving him the benefit of the doubt. and he should receive an extended ban for his failure to the leave the field, and abuse/physical intimidation of the CR and 4O.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 3, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

**** Freddy Montero. What a disgrace to the game. Faking an injury to get an opponent sent off. An absolute disgrace. Seattle should be ashamed of themselves.

Posted by: GoUnited | September 3, 2009 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Goff has a "United Rewind" post up now.

Posted by: Juan-John | September 3, 2009 1:12 AM | Report abuse

Yeah. He definitely lost it after the card.

Interpretation is all well and good, but you have to to be sure of yourself. The center saw nothing, and trusted the 4O. I guess my complaint about that call and how the officiating crew handled it is this: How did both the CR (~25 yds, landing side) and AR1 (~30 yds, leaping side) miss the stomp, leaving it to the 4O (~50 yrds, leaping side)? Did the 4O guess? Video?


I suspect that, one way or another, this will be in USSF's week in review, as a teaching moment on referee crew teamwork.

Posted by: mason08 | September 3, 2009 1:22 AM | Report abuse

@ Juan-John

What you know about that Venado

=)

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | September 3, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

Wicks stinks. The first shot by Montero caromed off his shin pad. Less a save than a deflection.

The first half shot by Ljundberg was a tortoise slow roller that was right at Wicks. I could have made that save. YOu know how? By sitting on my butt on the six.

His 2nd half "save" on Ljunberg provided a great rebound for Montero's goal. It was a gifted goal.

Not to mention a couple bobbles in the 2nd half, one of which was almost put in by Montero.

He's a slow ogre and he cost us a Cup. If Seattle finished in the first half, it would have been 3-0. Instead they thought Wick's had a bullseye on him.

Posted by: delantero | September 3, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Montero didn't grab his chest, he pulled his hand to his chest after it got steped on. Also, if you were watching, he was having trouble with cramping in his legs...several times he was shown stretching on the post before set pieces.

Posted by: aquacoach | September 3, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

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