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Poll: U.S. Open Cup Final

With one day until the championship game, I have to ask.....

By Steve Goff  |  September 1, 2009; 1:28 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , Poll , U.S. Open Cup  
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VAMOS UNITED

Posted by: Springfie1d | September 1, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

United wins handily, but Sounders fans protest, saying that:

- Seattle should have been the host,
- The players were distracted by the sun.
- The ball rolls funny on grass.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 1, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

hmmm - seems some Seattle supporters are clicking away on the poll, because we all know DCU takes it 2-0 in regulation. :-)

Posted by: nairbsod | September 1, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United 2 - 0 Seattle Sounders FC
(Quaranta 40', Emilio 74')

let's hope.

Posted by: the_slammer | September 1, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

hmmm - seems some Seattle supporters are clicking away on the poll,

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That's crazy. There's no reason for Seattle supporters to vote on some Washington Post blog poll. Everyone knows that Sounders fans invented soccer, soccer journalism, polls, and blogs. Oh, and marching bands.

Posted by: ashleybone | September 1, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Last week I feared a United loss. But after a good win at Chicago, I'm more optimistic. I'm going with a United win in regulation.

I'm also predicting that Java Java gets a lot of verbal abuse from Barra Brava and Screaming Eagles.

Other predictions:
- Dadryan and his friends get arrested after climbing Lot 8 parking lot lights
- Wicks "goes Mike Tyson" (hat tip: Troy6) on Ljungberg
- fischy gets a ticket when he parks his SmartCar in a motorcycle parking spot
- Simms, Moreno score in the 2-1 win
- Reignking throws a fit when he intends to record the game, but mistakenly tapes "Burn Notice" reruns
- GodfatherofGoals, suffering from H1N1, hurls on a green-clad Sounders supporter. Nobody notices, nobody cares.
- OWNTF writes lyrics to Van Halen's "Eruption"
- I-270 posts BaRRD's bail in London

Posted by: joedoc1 | September 1, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

I like how we basically have no idea who will be playing, but we're all pretty certain that United will win :-D

Posted by: Kev29 | September 1, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

joedoc -- you're cutting me to the quick. I swore I'd get either an electric or hybrid, or get a short-termer, while I'm waiting. Instead, I just invested in a 3 yr. old Accord. I'm counting on at least 10 years out of it. And, it's a V-6. The shame. The shame.

Posted by: fischy | September 1, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

That's crazy. There's no reason for Seattle supporters to vote on some Washington Post blog poll. Everyone knows that Sounders fans invented soccer, soccer journalism, polls, and blogs. Oh, and marching bands.


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Don't forget Astroturf.

Posted by: mason08 | September 1, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Anyone in the front row? Please make a banner that says "STACKARS LILLA FLICKA". It means "poor little girl" in Swedish and you can wave it every time Ljungberg whines about a call. Bet he hasn't been heckled in Swedish since he was a junior player.

Posted by: troy6 | September 1, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Fischy, as soon as we drill the North Slope there will be plenty of gas for your guzzler. ;-)

Posted by: troy6 | September 1, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

For the psychology of the team at the end of the season, the US OPEN CUP MUST BE WON! This is a must win! Critical.

Posted by: alan19 | September 1, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I need tickets!!!

Posted by: ttn703 | September 1, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Should be no problem getting tickets.

I'm hoping for a Rodney King style beatdown by DCU in regulation.

Posted by: Senor_Funk | September 1, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

DCU 2-0 sounders fc.

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 1, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

(in regulation.)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 1, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

ttn703, tickets are available online and at the gate!

OK, considering James is cup tied and we're at home, I think I am ok with us going back to 3-5-2:

--------------------------Wicks------------------------
-----Namoff-----------Jakovic----------Burch----
---------------Jacobson-----Simms---------------
Quaranta---------------------------------Wallace-
--------------------------Gomez-----------------------
------------Pontius-----------------Emilio----------

With Kocic, Fred, Moreno, Habarugira, John, McTavish, Olsen on the bench (Danny Ztts as water boy).

I think that having Tino, Wallace, and Party on the field gives us the edge in speed and creativity. I doubt Benny can go again so soon, but if so, stick him in for Jacobson. The three man backline seems like a necessary evil given who we can't play...unless anyone trusts a 4-man with Janicki in it. Didn't think so. If, God forbid, Jakovic gets hurt we basically have no option on the bench to replace him, but we'd be screwed if he went down anyway.

Jaime comes on in the second half, of course, to boss the game, and Fred can spell Wallace or Gomez if necessary.

Posted by: the_slammer | September 1, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, United have not looked terrible convincing lately. Seattle have been one of the classier teams this year. The thing that we'll have going for us is that Hurtado will be suspended for the match. I think that's a huge equalizer, but I still don't see United having the horses to get it done. Our own backline will be the key, I think.

Posted by: Matte | September 1, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

4-1-2-1-2

-------------------Wicks------------------

--Namoff---Jakovic---Habarugira---Wallace--

-------------------Simms------------------

--Quaranta--------------------------Fred--

-------------------Gomez-------------------

------------Emilio--------Pontius----------

Posted by: supamars11 | September 1, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@supamars11:
that's a 4-4-2.

Posted by: Matte | September 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, United have not looked terrible convincing lately. Seattle have been one of the classier teams this year.

Posted by: Matte |

Suprisingly, the records are similar -- Seattle have 2 more points but 1 more game played.

Posted by: Reignking | September 1, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Anyone in the front row? Please make a banner that says "STACKARS LILLA FLICKA". It means "poor little girl" in Swedish and you can wave it every time Ljungberg whines about a call.

Posted by: troy6 | September 1, 2009 2:48 PM
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Troy, I just ran this through Ikea's language translator, and it came back as saying: "A-HA Tickets Now on Sale!"

Posted by: joedoc1 | September 1, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

3-1 United over the Flounders......Sorry Drew Carey

Posted by: timmy6 | September 1, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Just for fun with all of the attendance talk going on. According to theCup.us, the largest attendance for a US Open Cup Final was the second leg of the 1929 final between the Hakoah All-Stars and the Madison Kennels. They drew 20,000 to Dexter Park in Brooklyn, NY. They also drew 18k to the first leg at Sportsman's Park in St. Louis.

The largest crowd in the modern era was Chicago's 2000 victory over the Miami Fusion which drew 19,146 to Soldier Field. The Fire also drew 18,615 to the '98 Final over Columbus.

Regardless of era, 15,000+ would be a very good crowd for any Open Cup Final.

(Just for fun, DC's Club Espana defeated Seattle's Mitre Eagles 3-2 on penalties after a 0-0 draw in the 1987 Final)

Posted by: gutuna | September 1, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@matte
actually, its a 1-4-4-2...can't leave out the most vocal player.

Posted by: supamars11 | September 1, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

@supamars11
too true. too true.

Posted by: Matte | September 1, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@supamars11:
that's a 4-4-2.
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Are you suggesting that a 4-1-2-1-2 is tactically the same as a 4-4-2?

Posted by: mason08 | September 1, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

gutuna-
Stop talking history. You'll confuse the Sounderistas!

Posted by: mason08 | September 1, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Matte:

You're right that we've only had the one good showing over the past few weeks, but Seattle is also coming in after a poor August:

8/2, @ SJ: 4-0 loss
8/8, @ RSL: 1-0 loss
8/15, @ LA: 2-0 win
8/20, home vs. New England: 1-0 loss
8/23, @ Houston: 1-1
8/29, home vs. Toronto: 0-0

5 points over 6 games, including just 1 from their 2 home games, is not at all intimidating. This is no longer the Sounders team that looked like a lock for a playoff spot during the spring. Teams have figured them out and Schmid hasn't yet made the adjustments to overcome that, unless the laughable idea of sending out Vagenas more often counts.

Bottom line: Seattle is a team in decline, just as we are (or were...we'll see if the game in Chicago was a blip or the start of an upward trend tomorrow). This isn't like hosting Houston or Columbus. They are also notoriously poor travelers, and their starting center backs are suspended (Hurtado) and possibly injured (Marshall, who left just 19 minutes into the 0-0 draw with Toronto), respectively. A team with that description about themselves doesn't win in RFK (at least, not this year).

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | September 1, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know what ticket fees are like at the gate. Will the $12 tix be available at the gate? I am trying to convince some (cheap)first timers to come out to the game.

Posted by: GMUMiked | September 1, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Drew Carey gonna be hanging around or is he all tied up with Spading and Neutering on the Price is Right?

Posted by: delantero | September 1, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@GMUMiked - I'm not totally sure but I think that the tickets are just sold for face, no fees, at the gate.

Posted by: the_slammer | September 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

DC United wins in regulation.

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 1, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Drew was in Vegas last week doing some publicity for TPiR (I think). A friend of mine saw him, shook his hand and let him know how DC will do tomorrow. But in a nice way.

Posted by: Section117 | September 1, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Tickets are indeed sold for face value at the gate. Availability, of course, may vary especially since the $12 section isn't exceptionally huge. The next price level is only $18, though, so you could theoretically get a little bit better seat for the cost of two dogs and a beer.

Posted by: VercengetorixII | September 1, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

My prediction?


PAIN!


And a long trip home for the Sounders customers.

Posted by: NattyBo1985 | September 1, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

shouldn't be any extra fees at the gate.

Posted by: nairbsod | September 1, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@GMUMiked
I don't think I've ever paid a ticket fee when purchasing at the stadium.

Anywhere.

Posted by: mason08 | September 1, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Just for fun, let's look at Seattle's Qwest Field Open Cup attendances in past years:
2008, QF vs KC -- 4674
2007, SF vs Dal -- 10385
2007, QF vs Rapids -- 6619
2007, 3rd round vs Chivas -- 3589
Now, Seattle was not MLS during this time, but these were all matches against MLS teams in the same tournament for which they say they could draw 30K for a mid-week game. Sooo ... either they are full of beans or the vast majority of Seattle's fans are johnny-come-lately's hitching their wagons to the "new" team in town.
Either way, tradition trumps ticket sales: DC 2, Seattle 1

Posted by: mjhoya12 | September 1, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

gmumiked- yes $12 at the gate...
come early to Lot 8.. yer first timers will never want to leave...

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | September 1, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@mjhoya12 - not to mention USOC games against MLS teams are generally huge attractions for USL teams, since they get the chance to prove themselves against the big boys - as opposed to reserve-filled afterthoughts for MLS squads/fans

Posted by: the_slammer | September 1, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

That's crazy. There's no reason for Seattle supporters to vote on some Washington Post blog poll. Everyone knows that Sounders fans invented soccer, soccer journalism, polls, and blogs. Oh, and marching bands.


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Don't forget Astroturf.

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Seattle also invented the concept of the twelf man, girls with hairy armpits, and coffee.

Posted by: CapitolHill1 | September 1, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I'm liking that diamond 4-4-2, but considering we haven't played Habarugira at CB, or Wallace at LB, I don't see it happening.

I wouldn't mind the same thing with McTavish or Janicki at CB, and Habarugira or Burch at LB.

Wallace is valuable off the bench at DM, LM, and LB (which he's played before, just not with United)

Posted by: alecw81 | September 1, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

DC United will win in regulation, and yes the same Sounders fans who call us whiners, crack heads, etc, will blame the refs, the field, the smoke bombs, the beer showers, Payne's position on the USSF's board, etc.

Then everyone will go back to not giving a crud about the US Open Cup as usual.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 1, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Then everyone will go back to not giving a crud about the US Open Cup as usual.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 1, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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Dad - that's until (a) it get's us back into CONCACAF again next year and we start complaining about how it's killing our play-off chances and/or (b) it's the only thing on the table for us, yet again next year.

Posted by: Kosh2 | September 1, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

That's crazy. There's no reason for Seattle supporters to vote on some Washington Post blog poll. Everyone knows that Sounders fans invented soccer, soccer journalism, polls, and blogs. Oh, and marching bands.


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Don't forget Astroturf.

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Seattle also invented the concept of the twelf man, girls with hairy armpits, and coffee.

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Dont forget they also invented scarves, the act of holding said scarves in the air, the color rave green, and also the use of the term "sound" to describe a body of water that most red blooded Americans would refer to as an inlet.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Apologies if this is common knowledge already, but for the DC residents bemoaning Comcast...

"DC Mayor Adrian Fenty, along with DC Office Of Cable Television Director Eric Richardson and Verizon Washington President William Roberts, will officially launch the Verizon FIOS digital TV/internet/phone system at a ribbon-cutting ceremony tomorrow, Tuesday."

Posted by: Section117 | September 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@Kosh2, has the USSF confirmed they'll be awarding the Open Cup Champ a berth? Last I heard that has not been confirmed.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 1, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Dont forget they also invented scarves, the act of holding said scarves in the air, the color rave green, and also the use of the term "sound" to describe a body of water that most red blooded Americans would refer to as an inlet.

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Blame Captain George Vancouver RN for that last one. Damn Eurosnobs.

Posted by: mason08 | September 1, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

I've come to find out my vote here for DCU has been cancelled out by my Seattle-based, bandwagoner, fashionista, geek cousin's vote for sounders fc.

Sorry, guys.

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 1, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry SportzNut21, if the Sounders lose the Open Cup final, and flop out of the playoffs only to have the final played in "their House" the average fan in the Emerald city will lose interest and move onto the next metrosexual hot button item.

Posted by: DadRyan | September 1, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

@Dad...this cousin is a she, and before the sounders, she had zero interest in sports. (She works for Nordstrom.)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | September 1, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

You know, the sad part of this is I was really happy for Seattle's great success at the gate, until they all turned out to be self-entitled jerks.

Posted by: the_slammer | September 1, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

alecw81:

At this point, I'd take Burch over McTavish or Janicki as Jakovic's central partner in a 442. I wouldn't be happy about it, of course, but given limited choices that's where I'd go. Wallace would be my left back over John in such a circumstance.

the_slammer:

Sad but true. I suppose there have to be a good number of reasonable Sounders fans, but it seems like most of them believe MLS opened for business on March 19th this year.

***

I have no idea what Soehn will do tomorrow. If James was available, I'd bet the farm on 442. Without him, however, who knows? Incidentally, that lack of predictability (compared to Seattle's settled 442), could be a blessing in disguise. Schmid will not be able to plan for one specific formation, lest we use the other one. On the downside, our formation juggling generally smacks of a team trying to figure it out, which by September should already be settled.

If it's a 442, I'd expect to see this:

---------- Moreno - Emilio
Fred - Simms -- Olsen - Quaranta
Wallace - Burch - Jakovic - Namoff
----------------- Wicks

Gomez went an hour against Chicago before Moreno replaced him; I'd expect a swap of roles tomorrow. Seattle's use of Alonso and Evans rules out using Gomez in central midfield unless a) Soehn is more attack-minded than I thought or b) we need a goal late. The key in this formation will be to show the same zeal for tackling and winning loose balls that we did in Chicago. I also have a baseless hunch that, given this formation, Pontius would be a potential gamewinning sub.

Here's the 3412 we could also see:

------------ Moreno - Emilio
----------------- Gomez
Wallace - Olsen - Simms - Quaranta
------- Burch - Jakovic - Namoff
------------------ Wicks

Fred isn't responsible enough to cover Ljungberg all by himself, so here I'll take Wallace on the left. Both will be physical with him; hopefully we can get him busy talking to the ref more than playing (which has happened repeatedly this season). It's a risk playing Moreno and Gomez from the start, but it's a risky formation anyway. If we come out in a 3412, we're hunting for the game's first 2 goals, meaning we absolutely cannot waste chances. It becomes less about fighting in this formation than it does about not being wasteful with the ball in possession and in the box.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | September 1, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

-------------------Wicks------------------

--Namoff---Jakovic---Habarugira---Wallace--

-------------------Simms------------------

--Quaranta--------------------------Fred--

-------------------Gomez-------------------

------------Emilio--------Pontius----------

Posted by: supamars11 | September 1, 2009 3:10 PM
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Please, please, no Hamburgesa.

Also, alot of you seem to be forgetting that Seattle also invented the wheel, fire, the airplane, and water-pipes.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 1, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Wicks

namoff Jakovic burch hamburguesa

simms olsen

tino Fred
Gomez

Moreno Emilio


Wallace for Fred
pontius for moreno
jacobson for olsen

Posted by: ThE-BaRRa-BrAvA-KiD | September 1, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Seattle injury updates: Marshall - Out, Graham - Doubtful, Hurtado - Still suspended

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/soundersfcblog/2009787450_on_the_ground_in_dc.html

Beautiful, an expansion team's third string defense.... this is gonna be fun.

Posted by: spidergoose | September 1, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Seattle invented the supporter's scarf? Don't they know our league plays a summer schedule? Idiots!

I'm hoping for a midwestern thunderstorm that re-routes their in-bound flight all the way up through Maintoba.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 1, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Apologies if this is common knowledge already, but for the DC residents bemoaning Comcast...

"DC Mayor Adrian Fenty, along with DC Office Of Cable Television Director Eric Richardson and Verizon Washington President William Roberts, will officially launch the Verizon FIOS digital TV/internet/phone system at a ribbon-cutting ceremony tomorrow, Tuesday."

Posted by: Section117 | September 1, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Where do you have a ribbon-cutting for a cable? Is this when Verizon slips the big wad of cash in Fenty's back pocket or was that already done?

Posted by: Southeasterner | September 1, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

No truth to the rumor that Verizon is giving Fenty a FIOS subscription and then Fenty stonewalls any attempt at neighborhood expansion.

Posted by: Section117 | September 1, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Sorry SportsNut, just read bandwagoner fashionista geek and figured it was one of your everyday Seattle joes, not janes...
Still doesn't change my forecast for her future in following the team.

And yeah, yeah, that injury report sure has my mouth watering. It would be insane if DCU could finally find their finishing and they run the score up!

Vamos United!!!!

Posted by: DadRyan | September 1, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Where do you have a ribbon-cutting for a cable? Is this when Verizon slips the big wad of cash in Fenty's back pocket or was that already done?
Posted by: Southeasterner
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Verizon's version of "ribbon cutting" is to dig up your yard and "accidentally" slash the Comcast cable.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 1, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Seattle is looking at something like this as a lineup:

------------ Montero - Jaqua
Zakuani ------------------ Ljungberg
------------- Alonso - Evans
Gonzalez - Wahl - Ianni - Riley
------------------- Keller

That's simply not an MLS level center back pairing. I've actually said we should trade for Wahl, because I think he'd do well on the left side of our back three. However, as a back four center back in KC, he was not very good (even with Jimmy Conrad helping him out). I might be wrong, but I don't think he's spent a second in that position this season for Seattle. Ianni, meanwhile, is often mocked by supporters of other teams. He's no better than a backup in MLS.

This is spectacular news for us. We often like to attack in a narrow fashion (regardless of formation), so the play of opposing center backs can have a lot to do with whether we're successful or not. We can't afford to get overconfident, but it's hard to envision us struggling to create chances tomorrow with that defense in our way.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | September 2, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

Seattle injury updates: Marshall - Out, Graham - Doubtful, Hurtado - Still suspended

http://www.nowgoal.com/22.shtml

Posted by: mokreine | September 2, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

My ideal lineup

---------Wicks---------
--Namoff--Jakovich--Burch
----------Simms--------
Fred-----Olsen----Wallace
----(Gomez-or-Moreno)----
---Quaranta-----Pontius---

Emilio has been a nonfactor lately, maybe at best looking threatening in the first 15 min before he runs out of gas, then thereafter conceding header after header and only coming back to pitch in. He needs to ride the pine and get hungry for scoring again.

Both Pontius and Quaranta look dangerous up top, having the speed and creativity to make something happen. Having them served up by a vet like Gomez or Moreno is a nice combo.

Fred, Olsen, and Wallace at mid would combine flank speed and ball movement down the line with Ben's heads up veteran play covering for their mistakes. Fast movement from their sides up to the front 3 would be interesting.

Simms holds nicely.

The back 3 were solid, and remain solid. Burch belongs on the left for his long ball up, and Namoff has been on fire. Jakovich is the best of the central defenders.

I would as coach have a nice long talk with Wicks about distribution and hammer home that putting long 50:50 balls up to Emilio = guaranteed turnover, and try to get him to distribute to the wings for a more developed counter attack. Wicks plays with intensity, but that is no excuse to just punt a turnover every time he has it. We have no target player who can win that longball with consistancy, and frankly that goes against the fun to watch control game of United.

Posted by: Wiggan | September 2, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

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