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Baltimore's Interest in DCU

In response to a Washington Business Journal story that says Baltimore is again interested in exploring a stadium project for D.C. United and other events, the club issued this statement:

"D.C. United continues to search for an appropriate, long-term home for our team. Baltimore has demonstrated its ability to work with the state to create world-class facilities for the Orioles and Ravens. We believe a new D.C. United stadium can be an exciting and vital economic engine and look forward to the results of the Maryland Stadium Authority study of a Baltimore city location. Our conversations with other municipalities will continue."

By Steve Goff  |  October 6, 2009; 5:36 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

Is Baltimore on the Red Line?

Posted by: OWNTF | October 6, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore United? I mean, PG County was one thing, but this pretty much guarantees going to no games, ever. It's already a treck from Richmond.

Posted by: Pete803 | October 6, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

hmmm...looks like it doesn't want me to renew my season tickets. I'll vote reoublican before I drive to Angelos-Ville to see DC United.

Posted by: phburris | October 6, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

I guess the assumption is that they can find 22k new fans out of BMore? As the above stated, I can count on zero fingers the amount of trips I am willing to make to Baltimore.

Posted by: jonfhoffman | October 6, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

B'more United.

Same anount of syllables as DC United.

Just sayin'........

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 6, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

It beats St. Louis, but still bites.

What's up with the new combined DC Sports/Convention Center group. There was a link yesterday to audio from the spokesman saying that a stadium for "the DC United" was a top priority?

with the merging of D.C. Washington Sports and Entertainment Commission & the Washington Convention Center Authority United will have a stadium in no time.. which has been said in his news clip:
http://wamu.org/audio/nw/09/10/n18091001-29124.asx

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | October 5, 2009 7:31 PM | Report

Posted by: delantero | October 6, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Well, I cant say that I am surprised by this news.

The area they are referencing isnt the nicest area in the world -- but it's close to federal hill. It's not part of the "revitalized" part of the city near the inner harbour...but its on the light rail which makes getting into and out of it a snap. That area might become a new fells point, which would be sweet. Take the train in and grab some food from a pub across the street and then hit the game.

As for renewing tickets, its actually closer for me and my family than commuting to DC. I would prefer somewhere in DC, but beggars cant be choosers.

Posted by: strago | October 6, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

It's a business. Do what you have to do.

@phburris: we'll take you under our tent any way we can get you!

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 6, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Dare I identify myself on this blog as being from Baltimore... DC United fans shouldn't think so highly of themselves, if moved to B'more there will be PLENTY of new fans ready and willing to support the club here, if not already. All those rich white folks in soccer-obsessed Columbia need something to do on Sunday afternoons in the summer.
And don't worry, you won't have to actually go into the city to get to the stadium.
There's enough corporate money to support the team on the sponsorship/promotion tip. Lastly, soccer has a rich, strong tradition in Baltimore and will definitely be supported and embraced by local fans. word.

Posted by: zrd47 | October 6, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

If it was right near the MARC station id honestly go more often than if it was in Loudoun or some other completely metro inaccessible place. But that's a casual fans perspective. they're really in a no win situation. put it in the middle of nowhere and get no casual fans. move to baltimore and lose diehards. stay at rfk and risk a major disaster as the stadium falls apart. maybe it would be best to move next to one of the new NoVA metro stops but build a much smaller stadium that;s expandable for when the metro is finally finished.

Posted by: PindarPushkin | October 6, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I'd be glad about the team having a stadium, but a name change would be a must and I imagine most Virginia fans would no longer be attending, so we'd have to find like 10K new regulars. It wouldn't really impact my commute (no more than 10 minutes added on, and I have friends living in Federal Hill), but I feel like we would lose something significant in terms of support. Not just in numbers, but in terms of passion. My experience with Baltimore sports fans is that they're dedicated but are also the "down in front" type, and obviously that's not who we are.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | October 6, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt that United is interested in anything more than putting more pressure on localities closer in around DC. If they were moving, Baltimore would probably not top the list of prospective new homes. Besides, it really is too far to be attractive to the team's current fan base.

Posted by: fischy | October 6, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

My experience with Baltimore sports fans is that they're dedicated but are also the "down in front" type, and obviously that's not who we are.
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At the AC Milan/Chelsea game, where I was (very close to the field, about 10 rows up), everyone in proximity stood for the entire first half. My buddy (newbie, season Ravens holder) wondered, do you weirdos ever sit down? In the second half, there started to be some disagreements among patrons over sit/stand etiquette (down in front), which were resolved by the security folks, who most definitely preferred that everyone sit. Interesting clash of cultures.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 6, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'll go wherever they build the stadium - or I'll go to Philly if they move.

Posted by: J_S_F | October 6, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

*I would go to Baltimore (twice the distance for me) if "the United" had a supportable team. The current edition stinks.

*Baltimore sports fans? Re-run the Colts trivia quiz scene from Diner.

*Baltimore Bays is the #1 boys program in the country (according to Soccer America). DC United is a distant #20. Strong in the girls side as well.

*Couldn't Santino Quaranta pull 1,000 fans in Balto all by his own bad self?

Posted by: OWNTF | October 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

If the new group is smart, they'll move the District's National Guard equipment to a federal base within the city limits (Ft. Belvoir, anyone?), raze the Armory to the ground (no more roller derby, sorry folks) and build DCU a stadium on those grounds. They could also build a pedestrian overpass over the roads currently between the Armory and RFK, so tailgaters could still do their stuff in the RFK parking lots, even if a new DannyVille stadium is built there.

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What's up with the new combined DC Sports/Convention Center group. There was a link yesterday to audio from the spokesman saying that a stadium for "the DC United" was a top priority?

with the merging of D.C. Washington Sports and Entertainment Commission & the Washington Convention Center Authority United will have a stadium in no time.. which has been said in his news clip:
http://wamu.org/audio/nw/09/10/n18091001-29124.asx

Posted by: Juan-John | October 6, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Terrible Idea. Build Crystal Palace a stadium and see if they can build a fan base. DC United is a DC thing. Going from NoVa to Baltimore is like entering a new time zone.

I may be spoiled with my Metro access, but that is what keeps the fans coming. I don't want to have to find a sober driver or worry about my beer intake. Not that I go and get plastered but DUI laws are extremely strict these days.

Posted by: grubbsbl | October 6, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and McDonogh puts out national top 20 high school teams both boys and girls, year over year.

So don't be dissing Charm City, especially if you live in a burg that's given Marion Barry an office for life.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 6, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

OWNTF - touchy much? Not many here are dissing Baltimore, just saying they have no interest in driving/MARCing/Amtraking up there 20+ times a year for soccer.

Posted by: TheAMT | October 6, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

As a Nova season ticket holder, a relocation to Baltimore probably would push me down to half season. However Baltimore might get my money because I likely would take the train up and probably spend the night in Baltimore. In any event, I'd be dining up there for sure. From a distance perspective, I don't think this is really worse than far Loudon country or Germantown north in Montgomery.

Posted by: griffin1108 | October 6, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

OWNTF:

Perfect example of what I'd expect, at least for the first couple years. Throughout my youth, these were the teams I played against and the people that would go to Bays (the pro version)/Blast/Spirit games, and they would generally find the loud side abhorrent. It would be a larger difference than what you see now between RFK's two halves, and I feel like the potential for animosity would be there.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | October 6, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

The United can go ahead and move to Baltimore. Then a few years from now someone who wants to actually profit from their franchise will put a new team in DC while the United ownership enjoys being located in a much smaller and much less wealthy city.

The United aren't moving to Baltimore, DC should by all means call their bluff.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | October 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Sponsored by "Ace of Cakes"?

Posted by: delantero | October 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be able to justify spending so much time and money to get up to Baltimore on a regular basis. My reaction earlier was the same as fischy's. I hope that is the case.

Posted by: sitruc | October 6, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Nice. Just took pics this morning of my daughter and I in our DCU shirts, holding up a scarf on Lanikai beach... Maybe we'll just stay...

Posted by: DadRyan | October 6, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

forgive me if this seems obvious, but the story was about baltimore's interest in United, not United's interest in baltimore. I personally love that town, but I don't think United is going there.

Posted by: troy6 | October 6, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, who in there right mind would travel that far for 20 games a year?
Support the team. Period.

Posted by: Billtimore | October 6, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Maryland Bays? This stadium situation sucks.

Posted by: Dancy1 | October 6, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Sponsored by "Ace of Cakes"?
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I'd perfer a sponsorship from Dangerously Delicious Pies on Federal Hill with their skull and crossbones logo replacing the VW

Posted by: DCB23 | October 6, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Who would win in a fight, Wicks or Ray Lewis?

Posted by: Hoost | October 6, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

grubbsbl wrote: "Terrible Idea. Build Crystal Palace a stadium and see if they can build a fan base. DC United is a DC thing. Going from NoVa to Baltimore is like entering a new time zone."
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That would have been like saying they should have first built a minor league baseball stadium in DC to see if there are enough baseball fans to support a major league team.

Come on. It doesn't work like that.

It seems many of you don't get it. OF COURSE you won't go to games very often (or at all) if the team moves to B'more. Management would certainly factor that into the decision, however reluctantly.

This may just be DCU trying to get some leverage...but not necessarily.

Once Mr. Chang concludes that their chances are nil of getting an acceptable stadium deal in the DC area, these kinds of talks won't just be about leverage. He may love DC and desperately want to stay here, but no business can lose money forever.

God forbid United ever leaves the region, but if they do, we may not even see it coming. We'll just wake up one day to an announcement about Baltimore, St. Louis or wherever.

We've been done in by a combination of events; primarily the Nats stadium debacle and the recession.

This sucks. Poplar Point would have rocked.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 6, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The Baltimore Sun is now reporting this, too: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/blast/bal-soccer1016,0,6967498.story

(I don't know the link policy here, Steve. Sorry if this is verboten. If so, just delete.)

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 6, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts:
First, I've been told that the largest block of season ticket holders is from NOVA. While DCU will certainly gain some new fans in Baltimore, the question management will have to answer is can they replace their largest block of regular supporters.

Second, with the product they've put on the field as of late, I would suggest that this is NOT the time to move . . . unless they are wanting to start over. I can't imagine our friends to the north wanting to jump on a broken bandwagon. I'm already having second thoughts about renewing my tickets and I've been a season ticket holder for many years.

Finally, considering the proximity of the Baltimore and Philadelphia markets, I have some difficulty believing that MLS will be happy with this move.

Posted by: carnack | October 6, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Since I live in Baltimore, I would of course love to avoid making the trip down to DC for games. United would draw plenty of fans in Baltimore.

Still, I'm sure this won't happen and I don't think it would make too much sense for them to move up here. If for some reason they do move to Baltimore, WYPR (our local NPR station) will need to get over this whole "The United" disease they had during their report on the story this evening.

Posted by: davemcl | October 6, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, crap. Just moved to Bmore from Chicago. I can almost live with cheering for Crystal Palace Baltimore (they haven't done much to give the team a local face IMO), but United? That's too much.

I'll go to games but I won't drink and have fun. Except with the Fire's in town.

Posted by: Modibo | October 6, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I propose this idea like a year ago and I think everyone hated me in this blog. I would love it, but I can understand why people would hate it. I havent been to a DC game this year, granted I don't have car.
Anyways, in my really bias opinion, bring United to Baltimore!

Posted by: ssdesv | October 6, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

My bias up front. I live in Baltimore and would love to see DCU relocate here if DC, or College Park, cannot secure a viable place for a stadium. The fact is the politicos in PG and DC don't need more time to jerk around a great owner and franchise. There needs to be a stadium decision now. Baltimore works. Cry all you want, but don't blame Baltimore if they see an opportunity DC seems intent on throwing away.

Posted by: rcdwriting | October 6, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Another couple of thoughts...

There's a potential bonus for Baltimore fans here, because if Baltimore steals a team away from DC it would be seen as a small victory in the intercity rivalry between the two. As in, you got your Nationals, we'll take your United. Not that most fans would care a lot, but it's a bonus. Remember the Colts? Baltimoreans weren't crying crocodile tears for Cleveland when Modell stole the Browns away to create the Ravens.

Second, the proximity to Philly could actually be a bonus. It would put United closer to not only Philly but also New York. Easy to get to both by train. And if you're coming from DC, btw, you'd be taking the Amtrak, not the MARC because MARC doesn't run on the weekends. MUCH more expensive!

Third, in addition to having the Bays, Bmore is host to some good college soccer programs - UMBC has two of DI's leading scorers, Loyola has been good of late, and Hopkins (though DIII) is often ranked. Not to mention that College Park IS in Maryland, and I've heard that UMD wins a game or two now and then.

If the team rebranded, I might just be able to support them.

Posted by: Modibo | October 6, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Calm down people......for Fooks sake.

nothing is happening for a couple years any where for DC. Period.

It is all about financing. Money. Greenbacks.

Nobody, I mean, NOBODY will be financing any kind of private development PERIOD for some time. Local governments won't touch with a 100' pole.

...but why let reason spoil the big brother, middle brother penis size debate.

Posted by: RetiredShark | October 6, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Even if I live in Baltimore and I hate the drive from Baltimore to RFK, I am totally against this idea. DCU belongs in DC. Period.

Posted by: malatestiano | October 6, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

malatestiano

As I said, I agree with you about where DCU belongs. And the second best location choice would be on or near the campus of the University of Maryland, in my opinion. But how much longer do you think a GREAT owner can wait on DC to settle on a stadium deal? I hate to say it but a stadium deal for DCU in DC has sailed, and sunk, for our team. Off the topic, the drive from RFK to Baltimore isn't bad. The only time it sucks is when there is a Redskins game going on. It is a better drive than going to Northern Virginia at any time of day or night for any reason. Plus, if you are really looking for some laughs sometime, just try taking a proposal to any place in NOVA that includes the words "an increase of traffic" and see how long it takes to find yourself back in your car, or back to your METRO stop, if you are green.

Posted by: rcdwriting | October 6, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Wow, this is certainly weird, as I was in Baltimore this past weekend for the Fells Point festival (with my TFC shirt on) and asked my buddies why Baltimore was/is never considered as a potential MLS franchise?

Posted by: zoran1 | October 6, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

What would I lose more points for, hearing a judge on So You Think You Can Dance say "over egging the pudding" or coming on Soccer Insider to mention that?

Checketts' move to be part of the team that buys the Rams is obviously just the beginning of his getting involved in the market so he can bring MLS to St. Louis.

Posted by: sitruc | October 6, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Checketts' move to be part of the team that buys the Rams is obviously just the beginning of his getting involved in the market so he can bring MLS to St. Louis.

Posted by: sitruc | October 6, 2009 10:07 PM

He already owns the St. Louis Blues. Can't get too much more involved in the market.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | October 6, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

@ bonghits4gomez (via delantero):

Maybe a little too much of your namesake tonight.

DC is not going to put any resources into a *new* stadium, no matter what they say. Not one dime. Take a look at the Post's Metro section some time.

Red Bull Arena ($200M) is being financed 100% by Red Bull (hard to believe, since that means someone is actually drinking that nasty stuff).

Even if VW or Discovery or some other angel comes with that kind of cash (which will not happen), DC Agencies will come up with some way to torpedo the project.

As much as I hate to say it, especially since I'm a STH, a lifelong Washingtonian, and can walk to RFK, there's really no positive, realistic scenario at this point that does not involve moving the team out of DC.

If the team does move, I can see MARC running on game days, even weekends, as it did when the Os were DC's local baseball team. Transpo in general to Baltimore from DC is not that horrendous, and Bmore did a nice job with the Chelsea-Milan match this summer IMO.

And they can keep the name/brand -- "United", so they say, represents DC, VA, and MD.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | October 6, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

I seriously doubt that United is interested in anything more than putting more pressure on localities closer in around DC. If they were moving, Baltimore would probably not top the list of prospective new homes. Besides, it really is too far to be attractive to the team's current fan base.

Posted by: fischy | October 6, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

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I think this is posturing plain and simple. Having said that, If United ever left the metro DC area, I would not be a fan. A move to Baltimore might as well be a move to St. Louis in my opinion.

Posted by: FAkeemail9875 | October 6, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

PS both Marc and Amtrak are accessible from at least two Metro lines (red and orange).

And the story does explicitly state that DCU ownership *is* looking into this. Wouldn't you?

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | October 6, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. The Sun article said Kevin Payne was out of the country. Hmmm.

Posted by: b18bolo | October 6, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Since I live in frederick it makes no difference travel wise to me were the team plays. In fact it is probably a bit easier to get into downtown b,more than RFK, especially on a redskins day. But there is the same potential traffic conflict in balto with the Ravens and the orioles. But the way the trafic flow works for the baltimore stadiums it is a pretty easy in and out on game days. Of course i doubt this move will every happen. Make sure you read the last two graphs of the article that say that the city would not foot the bill for a 5000 seat CPUSA stadium, they definitly wont pay for a 20000 seat Charm City United stadium

Posted by: jjfooty | October 6, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

So don't be dissing Charm City, especially if you live in a burg that's given Marion Barry an office for life.
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I'll say it, because I live in FFX Co. Baltimore can go to hell. DCU can join them if they go there. Bunch of whiny Ravens fans anyway... What's the equivalent of Roughing the Passer in soccer?

Posted by: mason08 | October 6, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

So bummed out about United's recent performance that I actually enjoyed watching a baseball game tonight.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | October 6, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

OT: Here is a cultural event that will be of special interest to United fans. (Yeah, right!)

http://www.unionstationdc.com/event.aspx

Posted by: universityandpark | October 6, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

hey, I'll go to Baltimore...prefer DC suburbs but on a weekend I can make the inner harbor area from Rockville as fast as I'd be able to get to Alexandria.

Posted by: teo_68 | October 6, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

I am a long-time fan and prospective season ticket holder and supporters group member for next season. My buddies and I from NOVA were thinking about joining, but Baltimore is sh*thole compared to DC and I wouldn't even think about going up there for the "Baltimore United." I would not be a fan if they moved and frankly I would probably go out of my way to support any team who came to DC to take their place. I wonder if it is realistic to simply tear down RFK and build a new stadium in the same place?

Posted by: chris_aem23 | October 6, 2009 11:57 PM | Report abuse

forgive me if this seems obvious, but the story was about baltimore's interest in United, not United's interest in baltimore. I personally love that town, but I don't think United is going there.

Posted by: troy6 | October 6, 2009 7:50 PM |
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Studies take time and money to do. It's hard to believe this would be floated unless the team had already expressed some willingness to at least consider the idea.

Even if United isn't seriously thinking about Baltimore right now, this is great p.r. for the team. It gets some publicity in the Baltimore area, raising the profile there for "the United." Now, perhaps "the United" won't just be the nearest team, they'll be the hometown team, at least as much as the Orioles were for so long in DC.

Posted by: fischy | October 7, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

For the record (please read Will Chang & Don Garber), if DCU moves to baltimore I will attend ZERO games and offically gain full eurosnob status.

Posted by: rademaar | October 7, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

I can say with absolute certainty that Will Chang and Don Garber do not read this blog....Even Kevin Payne says he doesn't see it much, if at all.

Posted by: fischy | October 7, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Checketts is working with Limbaugh to buy the Rams? Well, I guess I will have to boycott the Rams and the Real Salt Lake.

Posted by: fischy | October 7, 2009 1:42 AM | Report abuse

IF DCU moves to Baltimore, this DCU and MLS fan since '96 would be DONE with both.

Posted by: Ron16 | October 7, 2009 7:00 AM | Report abuse

I'll support DC wherever they end up (St. Louis, B'More, Detroit, Compton) but I won't support a DC gov't that blew an opportunity on Poplar Point to have a financially stable developer inject badly needed money and entertainment into a bad neighborhood, instead opting for a developer with no real financial backing that won't be lifting a shovel in our lifetime.

The biggest FU was when the city turned around and gave even more public money to Marriott to develop the old convention center site (Fenty promised a new library when he was running for mayor) which is located on some of the most valuable property in the city!

The biggest shock is that DC United has stayed in DC this long.

Posted by: Southeasterner | October 7, 2009 7:12 AM | Report abuse

@fishchy-
I know, but they should...

Posted by: rademaar | October 7, 2009 7:14 AM | Report abuse

I can't believe the whining from many of you people. You're acting like United is gung-ho about moving and expects everyone from Northern Virginia to be happy about this. DUH! This is a last resort nuclear option to prevent a move to a completely different area of the country. Of COURSE NoVa fans wouldn't be happy about it, but if it's what needs to happen to prevent this team from going to St. Louis then SO BE IT.

Call the WAAHHHmbulance.

Posted by: spidergoose | October 7, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

What's the equivalent of Roughing the Passer in soccer?

Posted by: mason08
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uh...stomping the striker?

Posted by: troy6 | October 7, 2009 7:58 AM | Report abuse

I think it's the night before the prom and United still doesn't have a date. They've asked the 2 ugliest girls in school (DC and PG) and got turned down flat. Baltimore looks pretty darn good. Unlike DC they have proven they can revitalize the waterfront and build world class stadia. The big question- is Baltimore willing to adopt a really bad soccer team that looks like it is going to get worse before it gets better.

Posted by: NICKYNUNYA | October 7, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Moving to Baltimore would mean I could cut 45 minutes off my trip but I still won't go until DC puts out a better product. I get more excitement out of watching my kids play on Sundays.

Posted by: peridigm | October 7, 2009 8:16 AM | Report abuse

To everyone that says they will be done with DCU if the team moves to Balto: It is not DCU that is failing in getting a stadium built, it is the DC Gov, and Fenty. DCU does not want to move out of the district but they may have no choice. The team cant continue to lose money at RFK and stay in buisness. If DCU stays at RFK the team WILL fold eventually, or the stadium will fall down, literaly, on someone. Either way there will be no team in DC or anywhere else in the area. So all you NOVA snobs need to stop mis-directing your anger at DCU.
Also...the inner harbor area is disneyland compared to ANYWHERE in DC. It is also one thousand times easier getting in and out of that area of baltimore than it is getting to RFK, popler point area, or getting to fairfax/nova. You can take Rt 95 & B/W Pkwy directly downtown. There is less public transport, but it does exsist. there is light rail that drops off at Camden Yards and M&T stadiums.
Finally...there are more than enough soccer fans in baltimore and the surounding areas to make up for anyone from NOVA that may stop going to games. So stay home and I will eat your crabcakes!

Posted by: jjfooty | October 7, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

What's the equivalent of Roughing the Passer in soccer?

Posted by: mason08

Jay Heaps...

Posted by: BillUrban | October 7, 2009 8:30 AM | Report abuse

The United can go ahead and move to Baltimore. Then a few years from now someone who wants to actually profit from their franchise will put a new team in DC while the United ownership enjoys being located in a much smaller and much less wealthy city.

The United aren't moving to Baltimore, DC should by all means call their bluff.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | October 6, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If United move to Baltimore DC WILL NOT get another MLS franchise. Take it to the bank. Garber is too mad about the struggles DCU has had with the area and the stadium. Besides, I doubt the league would view this area as capable of supporting two franchises anyway unless the proposal was something completely NOVA centric like Loudoun.

My thoughts. First of all, Baltimore beats St Louis. I posted here awhile back that Baltimore is actually closer to downtown DC than the proposed Loudoun site was. Although I am a lifelong Washingtonian, I am literally equi-distant from the two cities so this would have very little impact on me. Further, I suspect most Marylanders would remain fans of the team as the commute isn't that arduous for PG and MoCo fans. I do not agree that this is merely posturing. If the study is finished and a stadium is granted, then there is no way DCU is going to sit around and wait for some offer that isn't coming their way from DC or NOVA. They'll be gone. Remember the team said it expected some kind of stadium announcement in the Fall and Fall is here......Finally, Baltimore can and will support United if the team moves. There is a considerable area north of Baltimore that is a soccer hotbed and is virtually untapped by DCU at the moment. This combined with their current Maryland fan base and the fans willing to commute from NOVA/DC will be more than enough.

Posted by: croftonpost | October 7, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

I don't even have to say it - Baltimore and I disagree at every level. It and New Jersey can sit in the middle of the Atlantic.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | October 7, 2009 8:58 AM | Report abuse

DC United belong in DC, if not, the DC area. Something will get done. It is about money, and more specifically, it's about the franchises wanting to get as much a subsidy as they can from the gov't. I think unless B'more gives them a really sweet deal with a lot of public funds, the team is going to stay in this area. Hopefully the thought of the team moving to Baltimore as opposed to St. Louis will give the DC and other local gov'ts some motivation to get something done.

Posted by: michigannn | October 7, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Waiting for government hand-out for soccer stadium = waiting for Godot

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 7, 2009 9:37 AM | Report abuse

B'more is very good a stealing teams from other cities. First the St Louis Browns, and then the Cleveland Browns. But with a name like United, DC should be safe.

Posted by: crewmudgeon | October 7, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

DCU needs a stadium. They are giving up a lot of $ y continuing to rent RFK. Ths lack of $ translates to the inability to get better players to the team. This team is getting old, it's been 3 years on the decline and running. Until DCU finds a new home, be it PG, DC, MoCo, B'more it will lag further and further in the MLS standings.

DCGovernment is also playing with DCU - they are banking that the team will not actually leave DC even though DCU has offered to pay for part of the construction of the new stadium.

B'more would be able to get 15-20k to DCU games every couple of weeks over the summer especially at the O's stink and the Ravens are not playing - attendance would probably be dismal for midweek games tho.

DCU needs to look at all alternatives. DCGovernment is holding them hostage and in the meantime the team continues to slide down the standings. The positive thing is that we have competent people in the owner and the GM. Dont want to think what would happen if we had a Snyder- or Angelo-esque type owner and a Cerrato-esque type of "GM".

Posted by: vmrg1974 | October 7, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Better Baltimore United than St. Louis United.

The real problem has been Mayor Adrian Fenty and the D.C. Council. Not only is there simply no political will to get the job done in D.C., but the D.C. suburbs apparently have no interest. All in all, I really wouldn't blame Uncle Will & Garber if the team were to move to Baltimore.

I would continue as a season ticket holder if D.C. United were to become Baltimore United.

Posted by: Stevenho | October 7, 2009 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Being from PA, I think if DCU moved to Baltimore I would become a Philadelphia Union fan. I'm not going to the games anyway, and you know that Peter will do good things with the new team.

Don't worry folks, I still hate the Eagles.

Posted by: spata1 | October 7, 2009 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Despite living in Arlington and being a big DCU fan I would actually support this move if it gets them a stadium downtown. Would it seriously reduce the number of games I attend? Of course. But I see it as a better alternative to hemorrhaging money at RFK or following the Redskins example of building a stadium in the middle of nowhere. It is clear the DC government is just going to continue to jerk them around and doesn't value the franchise. Baltimore fans would quickly replace the fans in NOVA and it is a soccer hot spot. If and when DC gets its act together United can be reborn. It would be good for the team and MLS, just bad for Virginia. It would hurt me personally but I am more concerned with the MLS and professional soccer in general better establishing itself in the landscape and unless the DC situation turns around quickly I think this move would better help the cause.

Posted by: DrFieldgood | October 7, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"Hmmm. The Sun article said Kevin Payne was out of the country. Hmmm"

I hope he's not in Argentina looking for the next DP.

Posted by: timmy6 | October 7, 2009 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"DC Government is holding them hostage"

"there simply no political will to get the job done in D.C."

"the DC government is just going to continue to jerk them around"

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In what universe do you people live? How in the world does the statement "I am not going to give you money" translate into holding someone hostage?

"Political will"? In a city that is laying off teachers and other publci workers, with illiteracy and HIV/AIDS rates of third-world proportions, do you seriously think appeasing DC's soccer fans is OR SHOULD BE their highest priority for (dwindling) taxpayer money? Or even on the list?

Get a grip people. If DC United wants a stadium, then DC United should build a stadium. Stop looking for a hand out from DC taxpayers who can not afford to finance your personal recreation.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 7, 2009 10:26 AM | Report abuse

@OWNTF: what are your thoughts on publicly financed sports stadiums?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 10:39 AM | Report abuse

In what universe do you people live? How in the world does the statement "I am not going to give you money" translate into holding someone hostage?

"Political will"? In a city that is laying off teachers and other publci workers, with illiteracy and HIV/AIDS rates of third-world proportions, do you seriously think appeasing DC's soccer fans is OR SHOULD BE their highest priority for (dwindling) taxpayer money? Or even on the list?

Get a grip people. If DC United wants a stadium, then DC United should build a stadium. Stop looking for a hand out from DC taxpayers who can not afford to finance your personal recreation.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 7, 2009 10:26 AM
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I say this as a United supporter since '96 (and the Dips before that), and as a DC resident and taxpayer:

Sadly, you are exactly right.

I wanted to see Poplar Point happen as much as any of you. I also thought the giveaway to MLB on the Nats was absurd, but the present reality is unavoidable: DC cannot contribute substantial public resources for a stadium for DCU.

No major DC politician will get behind this, at least not in this economy. It would not be smart -- fiscally or politically. Maybe the story will be different in a few years, but I fear DCU will be long gone by then.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 7, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

This whole thing is embarrassing

Posted by: Kev29 | October 7, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

@OWNTF: what are your thoughts on publicly financed sports stadiums?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 10:39 AM
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Self-edit... should I have written "stadia?" Or is that too Euro-snobbish?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

OWNTF & PrinceBuster21,

I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, don't blame the team for this either. DCU can't possibly finance the stadium alone without at least government support for the infrastructure. If Baltimore and the MD Stadium Authority step up to the plate then they must play ball for the sake of the franchise.

Posted by: croftonpost | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

Self-edit... should I have written "stadia?" Or is that too Euro-snobbish?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 10:57 AM

"Grounds"

:-D

Posted by: Kev29 | October 7, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

OWNTF & PrinceBuster21,

I don't necessarily disagree with you. However, don't blame the team for this either. DCU can't possibly finance the stadium alone without at least government support for the infrastructure. If Baltimore and the MD Stadium Authority step up to the plate then they must play ball for the sake of the franchise.
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And I don't disagree with you, croftonpost. Clearly, DCU must look out for it's long-term interests...and that's why losing United to Baltimore or elsewhere is a real possibility. It's a crappy reality.

Of course, every state and city is hurting these days so it's not like the team can just line up bidders.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 7, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@OWNTF: what are your thoughts on publicly financed sports stadiums?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 10:39 AM
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Ha. Old enough to remember the fight over Ravens/Skins funding, and the odd coalition between the true-blue libs from MontCo (led by Van Hollen, now playing on a bigger stage), and conservatives from elsewhere. Both camps wondered how the state could find hundreds of millions for two NFL teams who were and are rolling in dough, but had to defer promised school construction at the same time. It's madness.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 7, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The DC gov't, I believe, is trying to make things happen behind the scenes. Modest infrastructure improvements are one thing, that's acceptable to most people.

So far, I haven't even seen a serious proposal for a soccer-only stadium. All we've heard about are potential locations and MacFarlane's massive developments involving hundreds of millions of dollars of public funds.

If the new DC United management and the DC gov't can work together, find a suitable site, and provide modest infrastructure upgrades, under $100 million I'd guess, I think something can get done.

I understand the stance that some local jurisdictions outside of the District have to deal with too, they have to deal with the issues of public funds and traffic/metro accessibility. If the traffic weren't so bad, I'd say a place like Alexandria or Springfield would be perfect for a soccer-only stadium. Places inside or at the beltway, not farther out, and near metro.

Posted by: michigannn | October 7, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

It'll be the first MLS team to play in jorts & tanks!

Posted by: weetabixjihad | October 7, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Current results of a Baltimore Sun poll:


Soccer in Baltimore?

Would you support Major League Soccer's DC United if the club relocated to Baltimore?

Yes (398 responses)

73.7%

No (112 responses)

20.7%

Not sure (30 responses)

5.6%

540 total responses

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 7, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Glad this came out before I renewed. I've been a season ticket holder since 97, through good and bad, and normally the thought is that you stick through the bad because you are loyal to your team and trust them to get good again. But that gets messed up when it might not be your team by the time the bad period ends. I'll probably renew anyway, cause I'm a sucker and obviously Baltimore is not a done deal, but for me and my family, this stinks.

Posted by: regularfan | October 7, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

It'll be the first MLS team to play in jorts & tanks!

Posted by: weetabixjihad | October 7, 2009 11:58 AM
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Yo hon!

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 7, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Us "NOVA snobs" are the major block of season ticket holders. Granted, this has more to do with the gov't than the franchise, but there IS a solution to getting a stadium somewhere in DC, or NOVA. Finding some place in NOVA would be less of a slap in the face to the people who fund their franchise. I think it is clear from this blog that DCU will suffer financially from doing this. If they can find replacements in that f*ckhole called Bmore then so be it, but I for one and countless others will certainly no longer support the franchise.

Posted by: chris_aem23 | October 7, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

chris_aem23,

The only NOVA alternative is Loudoun. No way in H E double hockey sticks DCU chooses that site over Baltimore. The remote suburban soccer stadiums in MLS have proven to be more problematic. An urban location is preferred by the league and therefore DCU. Having said that, I supported the talk of Loudoun as better than nothing when the topic was hot and I reside in Maryland. This Virginia/Maryland feud is pure garbage in my opinion.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 7, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

with no more home team, I'll take the money I would have spent at DCU games to pay for Setanta or whatever, get EPL or La Liga and become a Eurosnob! (After all, with no MLS team in their home market, that's what most folks do.)

Posted by: nairbsod | October 7, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

(After all, with no MLS team in their home market, that's what most folks do.)

Posted by: nairbsod | October 7, 2009 2:05 PM

That's what tons of folks do, even if they have an MLS team in their home market.

Just sayin' is all

Posted by: Kev29 | October 7, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

@Chris_aem23
How can the team suffer finacially anymore than they already are? The team is lossing millions of dollars as it is. Any move/deal that includes their own stadia and control over the profits will only benefit the team. I agree that the team will need to contribute a great deal of the money, and they should, but it looks like DC is not willing to give any help. I dont know that NOVA is willing to give any either. Some of the NOVA counties that are pontential sites may be in a better finacial position to build infastructure etc, than DC is. At this point i really do not see the team staying in the district. They may move to VA.
Keep in mind why NOVA residents are the "major group of season ticket holders" the team is a rocks throw from VA!! If you move the team, the population that surrounds the team will replace the one it moved from! Trust me there are plaeanty of people in Balto Co. How Co. Har Co that will buy season tickets and go to the game if it is their backyards.
I think we need to face facts that this team is probably going to move out side the beltway. The question is how far?
Baltimore is fine with me if it means that the team stays in the region, and gets its own ground. and you are DREAMING if you think DC will get another team if they move to baltimore.

Posted by: jjfooty | October 7, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

"Any move/deal that includes their own stadia and control over the profits will only benefit the team."

Posted by: jjfooty | October 7, 2009 2:18 PM |

WOW! DC United will now have multiple stadiums under their own control?!

Posted by: nairbsod | October 7, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The Balt Sun should change the poll question to, "Would you support public financing for an MLS stadium," and see how the numbers turn out.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 7, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's a pretty pointless question. Maybe the Post should have a poll asking whether the DC United should stay in the DC area or move to Baltimore. The results would be just as lopsided.

Posted by: michigannn | October 7, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Hundredth!

Posted by: OWNTF | October 7, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Falls Church,

With Camden Yards and M & T Bank Stadium near the proposed site, I don't think there is going to be much in the way of NIMBY opposition. Just like I wouldn't expect it if a new stadium is built around RFK. The area residents are used to it. If the study proves fruitful, then I think this will fly unlike the PG County site.

Besides, as you are well aware public financing is just as misleading a statement as the poll you are mocking. I'm certain the deal would be exactly like PG County which means the costs would be paid by the stadium revenue with no new taxes or funding from current tax revenue. We certainly don't need DCU fans themselves leading the storm of misinformation that existed with the PG County mess.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 7, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@Chris_aem23 - I'll take my Baltimore f****hole over your NoVA snobbery any day.

Posted by: davemcl | October 7, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't they just put the stadium near the National Harbour in Fort Washington? There's plenty of land out there and it's a growing area.

Posted by: stwasm | October 7, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Couldn't they just put the stadium near the National Harbour in Fort Washington? There's plenty of land out there and it's a growing area.

Posted by: stwasm | October 7, 2009 3:43 PM

With zero transit options and (how shall I say this) it's not really close to United's target demographics - other than Alexandria.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 7, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Chris_aem23,
Get over yourself. I live in Silver Spring and would have gone to games in Virginia. It's not that serious. I would go to games in Baltimore, too. Yes, Maryland is a different state but it's not like you're going to the North Pole. Dulles airport is actually farther from downtown DC than downtown Baltimore.

Now, I do take issue with calling Baltimore so many bad names. What do you know about it? It's not like DC doesn't have its tougher parts. It's not like Alexandria doesn't either. Not everyone lives in your exurban "paradise" in Western Fairfax or Loudoun. Not everyone wants to, either. DC is just further along on its revitalization than Baltimore because of the Metro. If Baltimore had gotten a comprehensive Metro at the same time DC did, you'd see even more economic revitalization in our neighboring city to the north than you have already seen this decade. It's a fluke of 20th Century politics that DC even got the Metro and related economic revitalization. As things are, Baltimore has lots of nice places to live. It's not DC. It's its own city with its own local flavor.

Calling a neighboring city the words you did says more about you than it does about that city.

Posted by: Cavan9 | October 7, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Cavan9,

Well said. As I said earlier, I just don't get this Virginia/Maryland garbage. I have lived in both states and liked them both. Every state has it's pitfalls.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 7, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

It's about an hour drive to Baltimore. I don't understand why you guys aren't willing to make at LEAST one trip a season to see the team we all love so much. If I still lived in the DC area, I'd just be happy they have a closer option than St. Louis. I currently live about a half hour from Gillette Stadium, and usually make it to two or three United games a year (although I had to cut back this year because of the recession; it would have only been one but I decided to attend the Open Cup Final at the last second).

If United were playing a league match at a hypothetical team from Baltimore, I would bet that most, if not all, of you located in or around the DC area would be willing to make the short trek. So why wouldn't you go out there at LEAST a few times a season?

Posted by: kdiff813 | October 7, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

New poll: Would you support Scarlett Johanssen if she relocated to DC? How about if she spells her name with fewer consonants?

Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 7, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

It would certainly be preferable for United to stay close to the DC Beltway to keep the NoVA base of fans. But push comes to shove, I'd rather see them in Baltimore than move completely out of the region.

I really don't see DC as a viable option though - the corrupt and incompetent DC government always finds a way to mess up a golden opportunity for the city. Contrast that with the Maryland Stadium Authority, which has an impressive track record of building beautiful stadiums with little fuss, and I don't see this as a bluff.

Posted by: grognard66 | October 7, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Gambrill, all respect, but I just don't think most taxpayers are going to accept an arrangement under which a jurisdiction fronts a soccer franchise $100 million to $300 million and agrees to be paid back with a cut of stadium revenue.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 7, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Contrast that with the Maryland Stadium Authority, which has an impressive track record of building beautiful stadiums with little fuss, and I don't see this as a bluff.

Posted by: grognard66 | October 7, 2009 4:16 PM

Umm, the Maryland Stadium Authority was going to build us a stadium in Prince George's County. There was a bit of fuss about that one.

Posted by: Kev29 | October 7, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

More on the gushing "stadium revenue:" If a jurisdiction's upfront construction money of $100m+ is such a rock-solid investment, let the team get it from some private lender who wants in on that money bonanza. That would keep happy all the Adam Smith fans who keep lecturing us about how "It's a business!! Business gotta do what it's gotta do!!"

Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 7, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

To everyone that says they will be done with DCU if the team moves to Balto: It is not DCU that is failing in getting a stadium built, it is the DC Gov, and Fenty. DCU does not want to move out of the district but they may have no choice. The team cant continue to lose money at RFK and stay in buisness. If DCU stays at RFK the team WILL fold eventually, or the stadium will fall down, literaly, on someone. Either way there will be no team in DC or anywhere else in the area. So all you NOVA snobs need to stop mis-directing your anger at DCU.
Also...the inner harbor area is disneyland compared to ANYWHERE in DC. It is also one thousand times easier getting in and out of that area of baltimore than it is getting to RFK, popler point area, or getting to fairfax/nova. You can take Rt 95 & B/W Pkwy directly downtown. There is less public transport, but it does exsist. there is light rail that drops off at Camden Yards and M&T stadiums.
Finally...there are more than enough soccer fans in baltimore and the surounding areas to make up for anyone from NOVA that may stop going to games. So stay home and I will eat your crabcakes!

Posted by: jjfooty | October 7, 2009 8:26 AM | Report abuse

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I wouldn't blame United at all if it came to this, but I reserve the right to withdraw support from a team that essentially is an entirely different club. To me it is more than a team of athletes...its also a brand which represents history, tradition and a region. I am an Atlanta sports fan and will always be. No matter how long I live here, I will never support the Redskins. I am a DC United fan. If the team becomes Baltimore United, that to me is the same as if they became the St. Louis Who Gives a Crap. If that happens, I will then focus 100% of my time on getting a team in Atlanta.

Its sad for United, yes. It wouldn't be their fault. But I couldn't possibly support a team representing any state but GA...the lone exception being if DC United had to move outside of the district but stayed in the DC area

Posted by: AtlantaMLS | October 7, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Vamos Rockville United!!!!

Posted by: timmy6 | October 7, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

fallschurch1,

Why don't you just lead the parade to St Louis. You seem more than happy to let the team move.
The problem in PG County had as much to do with the population and their lack of interest in soccer as the economics of the situation. If we can get the real tax message out there and avoid the misinformation that it would take money from schools and roads then it should work.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | October 7, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

People keep blaming DC, DC can and should do more, but what about the actual sports franchises? Unfortunately, a precedent has been sent where local jurisdictions have felt obligated and almost forced to contribute lots of money to these sports stadiums. There's the myth perpetuated about stadiums reinvigorating neighborhoods, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't, there are a number to circumstances at play that determine whether a stadium can do this. MacFarlane using this tactic to build in PG did him in. You have to be more careful with money during these economic times, right now most local jurisdictions have good bond ratings and want to keep it that way. I think, a soccer-only stadium with minimal public financing for infrastructure can get done in the DC area. All we know now is that B'more extended an offer, we don't know what kind of progress has been made recently between the new ownership of the United, that's been more focused on a stadium by itself, and the local jurisdictions.

Posted by: michigannn | October 7, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

The Baltimore bashing should stop. Grow up.

I'm a DC resident but I love Baltimore (not that I want them to get our club). It's not their fault that DCU is in the position to have to look at all options.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 7, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@Cavan9
Check your map. Dulles airport closer to downtown DC both as the crow flies and the estimated driving time. Don't kid yourself about distances and whose traffic is worse. It's bad all over.

Weeknight games would be nightmarish for all if a stadium were built in Loudon or Baltimore. The west and north sides of the beltway are bad in both directions at evening rush hour - mostly on the VA side around Tyson's. It's understood why NOVA fans don't want to drive to MD and MD fans don't want to drive to VA.

Letting Poplar Point fall through was a colossal mistake for Fenty.

Posted by: spata1 | October 7, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Discussion of a move to Baltimore is a slap in the face to long time supporters of this club. I'm sure they'll find people to support the team there, but its unreasonable to think that the vast majority of existing fans would follow the team. There is a huge difference between "DC United" and "Baltimore fill in the blank". Count me as someone who will simply move on to other things.

Posted by: jmu1330 | October 7, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

To me, this isn't about blame. DCU has done all it can, and more. I don't blame the club. I don't have an issue with Baltimore as a place. We go there sometimes. Its a nice destination. And we probably would go once or twice a year, as someone suggested. Just hard to see shelling out the cash for season tickets. And that makes me sad. That's all.

Posted by: regularfan | October 7, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

@ all those who were so angry over my Baltimore comments:

Some of what you said was true, and I apologize, because that was inappropriate in this blog. That being said, my point still stands. It may be true that the major block of NOVA season ticket holders can be replaced from people in Bmore. Still, it would be a completely different franchise at that point. That team isn't just a group of footballers, they represent a region. It isn't just a slap in the face to NOVA, but really the entire DC region. I don't even go to Redskins games, it is just too much of a hassle to go so far to watch such a pathetic team. If they move to Bmore, they may as well move to St. Louis or wherever, because I will never support the Baltimore ____. Best of luck to that team, but I support DC.

That being said, I realize that some things aren't realistic and we have to live in reality. Of course, Loudoun would be an absolute dream for me, but I don't think PG would appreciate that much. But Bmore is an entirely different place. They may be able to replace us, but the fans would be totally different. So be it, I guess it is my loss in the end.

Posted by: chris_aem23 | October 7, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

"fallschurch1,

Why don't you just lead the parade to St Louis. You seem more than happy to let the team move. "

No, not happy, but on the other hand I'm not going let it get me down if the cigar-smoking morons who own businesses called sports franchises take their song and dance of "I know perfectly well that my business is not worth an investment of $200 million of my money -- but it is worth $200m of yours!" elsewhere.

I'd rather watch live soccer than anything on tv, but live soccer is also my own adult team and my kids' teams. And we're not going anywhere.


Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 8, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

As a life long soccer oldtimer who has been a big supporter of soccer in the baltimore -washington area I bring a unigue prespective in the issue. I have been a big fan of teams from both areas, The Original Baltimore Comets {NASL} Baltimore Bays {ASL] Washington Diplomats {NASL} Maryland Bays {apsl] and current DC UNited. The true soccer person would appreciate how great the soccer is in the area at all levels. I would go to the games if they move to Baltimore and they would be supported by a soccer crazed town. Washington is obviously one of the strongest markets in the country and has a strong fan base with DC UNITED. I will support soccer in the region and continue to make my trips to both towns and enjoy the best of US soccer. Stop the Hate.

Posted by: highlandtownoldtimer | October 8, 2009 10:49 PM | Report abuse

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