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D.C. United News & Notes

Uh oh.

D.C. United's Champions League victories over Marathon and San Juan Jabloteh in the past week were encouraging, but now the club is probably going to have to win in Mexico on Oct. 20 to reach the quarterfinals.

Marathon defeated visiting Toluca, 2-0, late Thursday to pull even with DCU on points with one set of matches remaining. If things remain the same, United would go through on superior goal differential in the two matches against Marathon. But in the finales, United (3-2) visits first-place Toluca (4-1) while the Hondurans (3-2) go on the road to play Jabloteh (0-5).

To compound matters, the DCU-Toluca match will take place four days before United's last regular season league match at Kansas City -- a game that might determine whether D.C. qualifies for the playoffs.

"You want to come out there with some pride and some dignity," Jabloteh Coach Earl Jean said Wednesday night at RFK in reference to the finale against Marathon. "We are going to go into the last game and try to win it."

*DCU defender Avery John Julius James has been called up by Trinidad and Tobago for the Oct. 10 World Cup qualifier at Costa Rica and the Oct. 14 finale vs. Mexico. He will not miss any United matches.

*After drawing a paltry crowd Wednesday at RFK, United is looking at more than 21,000 for Saturday night's match against Chivas USA.

By Steve Goff  |  October 1, 2009; 11:54 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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can we expect Toluca to put out their B or C team based on the fact that they are already qualified? Maybe this is an MLS team`s best chance at winning in Mexico... not that I am holding my breath but...vamos United!

Posted by: Samuraise | October 2, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

21k? Is that an estimate knowing it will be a college night discount?

and I dont think Toluca will be supplying a B or C team. Depends on their schedule who they play before or after the CCL tilt in the Apertura. But they may want to end their group stage with a win so its up in the air.
Not to mention, they will be playing in Mexico at a HIGH altitude.
Its goona be tough..

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 2, 2009 12:20 AM | Report abuse

Goff -- Any idea on how a 3-way tie is broken? I'm trying to make sense of the regs...Not that it matters, because Marathon did so badly against Toluca in their 1st game -- but I'm wondering if a 3-way tie is broken by applying tiebreakers to all three teams together, or do they try to break ties between two of the teams? Will they look at DCU's points and then goals in the 4 matches? Or, do they look separately at how DC did against Marathon and also against Toluca?

Like I said, it doesn't matter. Under either method, there is no way that United can lose a tiebreaker with Marathon. So, it's this simple -- win @ Toluca, and we advance. Lose or draw, and we have to hope that Marathon does the same or worse. I was wondering in case it comes up in another group or other year.

Posted by: fischy | October 2, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

Looking at the Toluca schedule, they play Tecos I believe 2 days before so a B team might be in the cards for DC.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 2, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

correction: They play Tigres on 10/18 and Tecos 10/23
so they will be playing 3 games in a 5 day span.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 2, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

This is why they play the games, no?
Thank goodness this tournament is starting to shake out the way it should. At least we can't complain about it being as boring as some Man-U/Chelsea yawner.
Long Live CONCACAF Champion's League!

Posted by: DadRyan | October 2, 2009 12:59 AM | Report abuse

The plot thickens.

Posted by: redskinsux | October 2, 2009 1:03 AM | Report abuse

3 games in 5 days between two league games for a competition they've already qualified for advancement for...

Okay.


Also, stadium news?

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | October 2, 2009 1:11 AM | Report abuse

It should also be noted that 2 Toluca defenders were shown red cards. The stars may yet be aligning for the black, red and white.

As for stadium "news", I posted the "money" quote in an earlier thread. A spokesman for the new Washington Convention Center, Sports and Entertainment Commission said that the commission wants to find a permanent home for "the DC United" -- consistent with other MLS facilities.

I don't know where the money will come from -- or exactly where a stadium would be built -- but I'd give odds that the team and city will announce a deal before or around the start of the next MLS season.

Posted by: fischy | October 2, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

man, I bet Toluca lost on purpose, screw over the gringos...

Posted by: StewartDC8 | October 2, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

3 games/5 days
Two league games which affects their overall 1st place standing.

B team will be used then.

It all looks like DC, if qualified, will face another Mexican team.

great.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 2, 2009 1:36 AM | Report abuse

Something smells fishy (no offense, Fischy).

Could Toluca have thrown the game, knowing they were already in?

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 2, 2009 6:53 AM | Report abuse

lol, no stadium, no playoffs, no CCL.

Oh well. There's always next year.

Posted by: strago | October 2, 2009 7:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure some of you will also find a way to blame the Honduran FA again.

Posted by: Reignking | October 2, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone saying Toluca is already in?

First paragraph of Concafac.com article:

SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras - A pair of first-half goals gave Marathon a 2-0 victory over previously unbeaten Toluca on Thursday, DENYING THE MEXICAN SIDE FROM BECOMING THE FOURTH TEAM TO REACH THE QUARTERFINALS of the CONCACAF Champions League and sending Group B to the final round.

http://www.concacafchampions.com/page/CL/NewsDetail/0,,12856~1814988,00.html

If we beat Toluca, all three teams would be tied with 12 points.

First tiebreaker is head-to-head, which we all tie on, because everyone split with each other.

Next tiebreaker is goal differential among the group of 3. Marathon is done playing us and Toluca, so their +/- is and will be -6. Toluca is +7 so far, and we're -1. If we beat Toluca 14-0, Toluca is OUT!!!

But seriously, they might care about being 1st or 2nd in the group?

Posted by: GiannicolusJones | October 2, 2009 7:32 AM | Report abuse

There is no way we move to the quarterfinals now. It's too bad Toluca didn't show any heart last night. I doubt that will continue. Jabloteh sucks and Marathon is going to crush them. We should have at least tied Toluca at home. This is a shame.

Posted by: no_recess | October 2, 2009 7:56 AM | Report abuse

perhaps that was Toluca's strategy to let Marathan win and drop United. They think United can't win in Mehico and Marathan will win at T&T so by that they will kick out a mls team. Ahhhh conspiracy theory.

Posted by: DCUnitedFootball | October 2, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks GJ and no_recess - finally a dose of reality. Toluca will put out what they consider a sufficient team to win vs DCU. They won't want to take a chance at the embarassment of being the only Mexican team not to advance. Meanwhile, the team DCU puts out should be impacted by whether or not they still have a chance at the MLS playoffs in their last game at KC. But seriously, does anyone think that the DCU side that lost to SJ at home last Sunday can beat any Toluca side in Mexico? I'm glad to see DCU representing well in the CCL, but let's not confuse home wins against Marathon and SJJ with a prayer against a Mexican side that is playing well in their league.

Posted by: BillyBob4 | October 2, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I'll take the under on 21,000 Sat night.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 2, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Whats the point in advancing if we can't beat a Mexican team? I would rather lose then just get by because the righ teams lost.

If we can't beat Toluca what makes us think we are going to beat the next Mexican squad we meet?

MLS is over so lets focus on this game and finally win in Mexico.

Posted by: Southeasterner | October 2, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, United is actually at +4 in GD right now. Thought it was amusing that Brian Dunseth on the TV broadcast kept saying how important it was for United to keep up the GD. It's clear he is blissfully unaware of the actual tie-breaking procedures of this tournament. He may actually stumble into correctness if somehow United manages a miracle win in Toluca.

However, the viewing of the match was of course worse than usual thanks to our good friend Christian Miles who blurted out non-stop how United are through to the quarterfinals. Again people, do some frickin' research before you open your gobs.

I know it's petty, but nothing irks me more about announcers when they can't be bothered to get the information they are spewing out correct. Opinions are one thing, facts are something that need to be correct.

Posted by: ARickey | October 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

WPS lists are all out. Two unprotected players I'd like to see in Freedom camp: Tiffany Weimer and Aly Wagner.

LA protected Johanna Frisk and not Aly Wagner. Right.

Wambach victims Daniela and Shaner were not protected either. I wonder what kind of contract protection WPS players have against injury. Not much, I bet.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 2, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

A mute monkey is a better announcer than Christian Miles. Hes wretched and I have no idea how he got the job.

Posted by: strago | October 2, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Mute Monkey... a great name for a rock band.

Posted by: joedoc1 | October 2, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I don't think that's any better than Modest Mouse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | October 2, 2009 9:24 AM | Report abuse

A bit OT but I see there are 15 online discussion/chat deals today at the Post online. But last I heard, Goff said that his and some others had been downsized. What gives? The ones taking place are not all "hard news" chats, say with Pearlstein, DeYoung etc.; and there are sports chats among them -- Skins and fantasy football. How does a soccer discussion not make the cut?

Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse

don't think that's any better than Modest Mouse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish

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Get your facts straight, Jacob!

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | October 2, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Volkswagen sent out an email giving free tickets to Saturday night's game to VW owners. Maybe that explains the 21K number.

Posted by: DCU_VW | October 2, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

How does a soccer discussion not make the cut?
Posted by: fallschurch1 | October 2, 2009 9:27 AM | Report abuse
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Everybody hates soccer.

Posted by: OWNTF | October 2, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

correction: They play Tigres on 10/18 and Tecos 10/23
so they will be playing 3 games in a 5 day span.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 2, 2009 12:33 AM | Report a

There is no way Toluca puts DCU as a priority over Tigres and Tecos. They have essentially already advanced. It just isn't formally yet. CCL will not be their primary concern, the primera division will be. It will definitely be a B team. However, can DCU beat their B team in Mexico. That is what remains to be seen.

Posted by: croftonpost | October 2, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Toluca's second team could beat United's first team. However, since playoff qualification looks to be a remote possibility and we're not in next year's CCL, Tommy better rile the troops if he has any designs on keeping his job next season.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | October 2, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Volkswagen sent out an email giving free tickets to Saturday night's game to VW owners. Maybe that explains the 21K number.

Posted by: DCU_VW | October 2, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

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Details?

Posted by: combedge | October 2, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

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