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Matchnight #29: United-Crew

Greetings from cold, gray, depressing RFK Stadium. The same words describe D.C. United's situation.

If my math is correct, DCU will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss tonight to Columbus. Toronto's 1-0 victory over Real Salt Lake lifted TFC to 39 points, three ahead of United. If DCU loses, the best it could do is tie TFC in the final standings. However, Toronto would win the first tiebreaker (head to head -- 1-0-1 record vs. DCU). Games involving New England-Chicago, Colorado-Dallas and Seattle-Kansas City are also of interest to the race.

Kickoff: 8 p.m.
TV: Comcast SportsNet Plus.
Announcers: Dave Johnson, Thomas Rongen.
Attendance: Around 13,000 tickets have been sold/distributed, but the actual turnout probably won't approach that figure.

Expect newcomer Steve Cronin in net and a three-man backline.

The full lineup and subs soon.....
DCU: Cronin; Jakovic, James, Burch; McTavish, Simms, Jacobson, Wallace, Gomez; Khumalo, Emilio. Subs: Kocic, Vaughn, John, Shipalane, Szetela, Fred, Moreno.

Your pregame, in-game and postgame discussion is encouraged.

By Steve Goff  |  October 17, 2009; 6:38 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  
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Comments

3 man back line...?

I dont see anything positive about that!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 17, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Heading out now. If the MD-UVA game currently winding down now is any indication, I'm glad I'm wearing multiple layers.

Posted by: Juan-John | October 17, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm a DCU season ticket holder, but I'm more than happy to be home tonight, even though I have DirecTV and thus no access to Comcast Plus or whatever it is called. No desire to watch a crappy home team play in even more depressing weather ... See everyone nexr year, this season is OVER.

Posted by: jofij | October 17, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

What is Comcast Plus?!?

Posted by: redskinsux | October 17, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

AP is reporting that the Revolution's assistant coach Paul Mariner has resigned, effective after this evening's match, to take a coaching position abroad (Plymouth?)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/soccer/10/17/rev.resigns.ap/index.html

Must be a good position for him to leave the Revs with a game to play after this evening. Good luck to him.

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

@jofij I hear you. I'm not a season ticket holder but attend 4-5 DCU matches a year. I feel very apathetic about this evening's match. If we've lost our last three home matches, how will we make out against Columbus? We need some major housecleaning during the off season.

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Directv channel 643 should work for you.

Posted by: Henchlow | October 17, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

3 man back line...?

I dont see anything positive about that!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | October 17, 2009 6:52 PM

1st thing I thought when I saw it was a 3man back line. Guess Tommy figures, "Hey these are my last games as coach, what do I care?"

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

FIOS Channel 1, if you're interested.

Posted by: daggar | October 17, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Wow - really small crowd. Even on the loud side, looks like a few hundred people. This will be one of DCU's smallest crowds for an MLS match, from what I could see on TV. Hard to be motivated to go out to the stadium with this weather and the last three home matches.

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

Channel 77 on your ol' non-box comcast cable in Arlington... Try that where you're at redskinsux?

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 8:07 PM | Report abuse

My channel 643 just shows a nice shiny blue DirecTV logo with some Muzak music piped in. I'm not getting the game ...

No casual fan is attending tonight's game, given the weather in particular.

Posted by: jofij | October 17, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Why's Jacobson playing?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

can always watch it here:

http://atdhe.net/watch-major-league-soccer.php?i=781036&t=D.C. United vs Columbus Crew

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Kudos to Cox for showing the game on COXSP 74. But, man, the image quality is horrendous....

Posted by: speculation | October 17, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Why's Jacobson playing?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Why is Burch and Emilio playing is the real question...

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Genius from Soehn, playing a team which uses the flanks so you play a 3-man back line. Gloves are off he is an F*&^ING idiot and the morons in the front office that have kept him around this long should be sent packing as well.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

it's gotta be the shoe

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:25 PM | Report abuse

McTavish calls for the pass to the center and than doesn't bother to show up on a fantastic pass. Good job pal......

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em SoehntheExit. The jury was out for you, but now you're sold. Clearly, you hadn't prejudged Soehn at all.

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

thanks DR, et al. i spent twenty minutes frantically searching through channels and incomprehensible comcast menus trying to find the game. now I've got it, even if I missed the goal.

i'd still rather be at rfk. i suppose it's too late now, but we need to work some kind of recycling deal for season ticket holders to pass on tix they don't want. of course, next season i hope to be a season ticket holder so I won't have a problem.

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

cannot be eliminated tonight, says rongen. first thing he's said that made me happy...ever?

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 8:34 PM | Report abuse

by the way, tonights weather -- and hence, attendance -- is a good reason to tell those fifa twits that we won't be changing our schedule. watching soccer when it's warm and dry is pleasant. watching in the cold and wet is not. i have, of course, frozen my backside off about a hundred times watching games in europe. perhaps they should consider shifting schedules to match ours?

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

watching on the computer so my wife can watch documentary on male hula dancers WHUT... She's hooked...

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

cannot be eliminated tonight, says rongen. first thing he's said that made me happy...ever?

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 8:34 PM

And yet, just up above Goff says: "If my math is correct, DCU will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss tonight to Columbus."

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..........

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, if later tonight you end up reaping the benefits of her male-hula dancing show, no worries, right?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Etch in the studio...

Posted by: Reignking | October 17, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Diiiaaaaaaaaabloooooooooooooooooo....................................!!!!!!

Posted by: speculation | October 17, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

You tell 'em SoehntheExit. The jury was out for you, but now you're sold. Clearly, you hadn't prejudged Soehn at all.

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

2 years of suck isn't prejudged my friend. And no the jury hasn't been out by a few good pints and write silly things. My problem is I want to stop giving a crap but can't. Oh and by the way piss off.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

i think goff wrote that before the revs tied. perhaps that changed things. i'm too unmotivated to check the math myself. maybe goff (or rongen) will do my taxes for me as well.

yo, DR...if you feel like riding in the rain, you're welcome to watch here.

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

FYI-the Carroll brothers (Brian, Jeff, and pat) are all sitting together in section 309

Posted by: jo1234 | October 17, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Gomez is crap tonight....

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Goff, "If my math is correct, DCU will be eliminated from playoff contention with a loss tonight to Columbus. Toronto's 1-0 victory over Real Salt Lake lifted TFC to 39 points, three ahead of United. If DCU loses, the best it could do is tie TFC in the final standings. However, Toronto would win the first tiebreaker (head to head -- 1-0-1 record vs. DCU)."

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Alright! DCU 1, Crew 0 at halftime. Maybe they play better when we expect them to lose?

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm in Salisbury DadRyan...I decided to go the atdhe.net route. It's a pretty good feed.....no laggage.

I didn't like the respect shown from Dave Johnson to El Diablo. He cut him off several times and ended the interview short.

Posted by: redskinsux | October 17, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

yeah Johnson was REALLY excited for El Diablo to be in the press box but barely let him say anything.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Goff posted that before the result in the Fire/Revs game came in.
That result apparently makes it impossible for DCU to be eliminated tonight even if they lost. 3 points would keep them in the hunt.

troy, maybe next week? Or vice versa... watching on the computer is fine tonight. Or 2nd tv crapped out before our vacation and I'm not trying to force the rest of the fam to watch anymore United matches this year unless it's the playoffs.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Crapped out TV = perfect excuse to go out and get a 50"+ Plasma LCD-joint.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Thoroughly impressed by Cronin in 1st half.

Posted by: speculation | October 17, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Thoroughly impressed by Cronin in 1st half.

Posted by: speculation | October 17, 2009 9:08 PM
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Same here.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

yeah, wish the hula dancers were working in my favor... maybe if I lose 30 lbs and learn some actual hula...;-)

I'd also love a new tv but that ain't happening anytime soon unless we adopt one from a friend who picks up a new one..

That headband that the greatest american hero is wearing is hilarious. What's the point?

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Ok - who the heck is #15? I'm at the game but sitting under the overhang so I can't tell who replaced McT. Is it Vaughn?

Posted by: combedge | October 17, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Time to go 442....

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Yes - Lawson Vaughn

Posted by: speculation | October 17, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

columbus looks so much sharper..

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Not hard to lose 30 pds dadryan. Since January I've lost over 40 and I still haven't been able to give up all of my vices (e.g., booze and peanut butter).

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

danny boy comes in! it ain't just washington that's freezing, h*ll is too!

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Are we really going to sit back and try to absorb the Columbus attack for the entire second half? Thankfully Cronin is in there instead of bipolar Wicks.

Posted by: daandre3 | October 17, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

SoentheExit, what an insightful observation...
Columbus starting XI vs a ramshackle group of scrubs... thank goodness you were here to point it out.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

i think we left our offense in the locker room at halftime. Can't believe TS doesn't leave Gomez and Moreno in at the same time, but chooses to leave Emilio on the field!!!

Posted by: therealfan | October 17, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

is comcast going to replay the game?

Posted by: Solnoir | October 17, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

SoentheExit, what an insightful observation...
Columbus starting XI vs a ramshackle group of scrubs... thank goodness you were here to point it out.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Really starting 11......

No Moreno..Marshall...Carroll...and a half without Schelotto.... DC is playing the Columbus second string down a man and still can't hold position. Whatever excuse you need DadRyan, scrubs, to many games , Chesty Rockswell isn't here to some up your opinions.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 17, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Some ≠ sum.

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

3 is 3. whew.

Posted by: troy6 | October 17, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

To borrow a page from Jim Zorn:

Hip, Hip, Hooray

Hip, Hip, Hooray

Hip, Hip, Hooray

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

How are we looking right now, after winning 1-0, with the playoff race?

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

"How are we looking right now, after winning 1-0, with the playoff race?""

Hard to say with the games still being played, but I think, if these scores hold . . that if we win at KC, we're in.

Posted by: delantero | October 17, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

@delantero Gracias! Never easy to win on the road in KC. Can't remember when we last beat them there.

Posted by: billindmd | October 17, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

What the hell. At 3:04 into stoppage, Comcast+ froze. Was that just my service, or did Comcast decide that it was 10:00 and that the game wasn't important enough to keep showing?

Posted by: seahawkdad | October 17, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Ok, rocket scientist, someone figure this out and let me know where DC stands . .

TEAM-STANDINGS TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
The team awarded the highest position in the MLS standings will be the team with the greatest number of points (3 points for a win, 1 point for a tie, 0 points for a loss). In the event that two teams finish the regular season with an equal number of points, the following system will be used to break the tie:

1. The highest position shall be awarded to the team with the better win/loss record in current regular season games against all other teams equal in points. (head-to-head competition)
2. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the greater goal difference against all other teams during the regular season. (goal differential)
3. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team scoring the greatest number of total goals against all other teams during the regular season. (total goals)
4. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played on the road by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (road 1-3)
5. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the procedures described in this section shall be applied only to games played at home by each team against all other teams during the regular season. (home 1-3)
6. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position shall be awarded to the team with the fewest team disciplinary points in the League Fair Play table during the regular season.
7. If the teams are still equal in the standings, the highest position in the standings shall be determined by the toss of a coin.
8. The first tiebreaker in a three-way tie is also head-to-head, but it is determined via points-per-game versus the other two teams. If two teams are tied in points-per-game head-to-head, the next tie breaker is goal difference.

Posted by: delantero | October 17, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Correct me if I'm wrong Goff...but crazy enough...DC could still get second place in the East.

We have the tiebreaker vs. Chicago. If NE and Toronto fail to win...and Chicago loses?????

Posted by: matthewjfyoungs | October 17, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Delantero....

Only in the USA...we are idiots when it comes to soccer.

Why not make things simple for everyone and just make GD the first tiebreaker.

But no....we like to be different. Thus...most of us diehards will be up all night figuring this SH..t out....

Posted by: matthewjfyoungs | October 17, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

Columbus beats the Revs at home to take the shield.
TFC loses to Red Bulls (unlikely)
Chicago loses to Chivas.

We win against KC . . means we tie Chicago on points, but beat them on better head to head record (1 win, 1 tie) . . . and we finish 2nd.

DC is still very much alive but it does look like they need help though . . i.e if TFC ties us on points and we're both at 8th place, we'll lose out on head to head . . per Goff.

Colorado is away at RSL which helps.

Posted by: delantero | October 17, 2009 10:31 PM | Report abuse

What a dreary bunch of naysayers you are! Stay home and send your negative comments to this blog. Keep yourselves busy. Real fans have been in the stands, in the rain and cold, cheering on the team. The Screaming Eagles are out there "standing up for DC."

Posted by: nicole4 | October 17, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I've wasted far too much brain power on this . . I should just wait for Goff to post in the am!!

We win, TFC loses or ties. We're in.

We win, Chicago loses, We're in.

We win, Colorado loses or ties. We're in.

If we tie? Uh, yeah, we don't deserve it and should just quietly not show up.

Posted by: delantero | October 17, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

what excuses am i giving jackarse? Just because you've predetermined that everything hinges on the coaching to the point of making it your handle, doesn't mean I'm not going to poke fun on you blowing hot air out your backside because one of the best teams in the league is sharper than United tonight. Who cares?

3 points vs one of the best in the league and keeping them from clinching the supporters shield is plenty for me to smile about tonight. Haven't seen a United match since September. I'll take it.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Revs and Toronto have to win to get to 42...

Posted by: matthewjfyoungs | October 17, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Just back from RFK. The crowd was definitely better than it must have looked on TV, because most everybody not in a supporters' club was back up under the deck.

The second half was not much fun to watch, kind of Serie A defensive soccer except without the skill level and the diving, but it worked. The red card was probably mostly a product of frustration with the Crew's inability to penetrate the defensive bunker, therefore quasi-earned by us. The game was (ahem) well-coached tactically.

Posted by: dccal | October 17, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Excited to make a party of watching next weekend.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 17, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Clutch result. It'd be amazing to win at KC and head into the playoffs with some momentum for a change...

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to change the tide on this blog and congratulate the DC coaching staff for finding a way to lead us to the brink of MLS playoffs AND advancement in Champion's L...despite the constant bashing of Soehn and his staff by the experts typing away here the past 3 mnths... Thank God the staff didn't quit on this town or the fans like so many fans have quit on the staff.

Posted by: sevnshvn | October 17, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

..The game was (ahem) well-coached tactically...

Posted by: dccal | October 17, 2009 10:56 PM

Careful. That goes against the common wisdom on these here boards.

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we are now one of 4 teams tied for 8th place on 39 points if my reading of tonight's results is correct. So going into the final match everything is really up in the air.

Posted by: fedssocr | October 17, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Juan-John | October 17, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Thought the subs (except McTavish, who came close to a second yellow in the first half) made no sense, and took the team out of whatever rhythm it had. They lost speed, energy, and chemistry with each one.

The kill-the-clock-for-the-final-60-minutes thing was painful to watch, but is maybe a concession to DC's not having the legs to counter.

Nice win anyway. Superb defending from the three starters, especially Jakovic. He makes it look so easy sometimes.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | October 17, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

It rained.


United won.


Tradition.

Posted by: Curious99 | October 17, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Nice win by the guys - and a decent 3 points against the best teams in the league, whose fans by the way were chanting "no more playoffs" last year as they were booting us out of the dance. So kudos to the guys for doing the business, something that should go without mentioning and save me the post on the night but...

...I simply could not resist the urge to post, I mean with the personal attacks and all. "Real fans" is that like a "Real America" or something? I do not live in DC and have ALWAYS admired and commended the fans who go out there and represent every night. You guys do us proud. But to attack other fans love for the game and team because they do not meet your high criterion of not making it out to the stadium on a given night (not knowing their situtation or reasons) is childish at best and innocently naive at worst.

Attacking the opinions of others as "Know it alls" or whatever the vogue nomenclature for said clique may be at the time smacks of a naked insecurity. We all love this team and have been frustrated with what we have seen of them lately. There is enough blame to go around for what has been happening to our beloved team for the past 3 years - people pick their targets for blame for whatever reasons - that's what fans do,right? BUT then, they have the audacity to do what all fans do - vent, blame or flap poetic - on a blog nonetheless. [GASPS] How dare they? These "Know it all experts".

I am all for us making the playoffs, and I still cannot honestly see us going far - but hey LA busted that construct a few years back, so anything can happen. But the facts remain, there are a few things broken about this team and to say otherwise because of this win (or our making the playoffs) is just...well I suppose the attacks kind's prove the point, so...

...good 3 and good luck and let's keep the faith AS A TEAM.

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh2 | October 17, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Nicole4:
From "fake" fans that are warm and dry, thanks for Standing Up for DC!!

Posted by: marksman37 | October 17, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

..The game was (ahem) well-coached tactically...

Posted by: dccal | October 17, 2009 10:56 PM

Careful. That goes against the common wisdom on these here boards.

Posted by: vivzig | October 17, 2009 11:10 PM
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Evan a broken clock is right twice-a-day viv.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 17, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

What a dreary bunch of naysayers you are! Stay home and send your negative comments to this blog. Keep yourselves busy. Real fans have been in the stands, in the rain and cold, cheering on the team. The Screaming Eagles are out there "standing up for DC."

Posted by: nicole4 | October 17, 2009 10:40 PM
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I love it when the "real" fans lecture all the other fakey-fans on who is and isn't a supporter. I mean.......

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | October 18, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

The excuse of "Starting 11 vs scrubs" lardarse, of which clearly it was not. Also I would consider my position in regards to a change in coaching as one of inference not merely predetermined.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 18, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

...good 3 and good luck and let's keep the faith AS A TEAM.

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh2 | October 17, 2009 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Well put and well said sir. Cheers.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 18, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Just got home....still chilled! 2 hours of standing in the rain and then 1 1/2 hours of driving in the rain, yet I'm still in a great mood! We Won!! Cronin was MOTM! He looks like a keeper! (Hehe!) Now it's time to watch the DVR version.

Posted by: boda-united | October 18, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

As a recent Californian, I definitely am irrelevant to the real/fake fan debate. All I can say is that I am happy when our team wins, even if it lends evidence against carefully constructed theories as to why we may be doing badly overall. If you cannot be happy that your team won, I'm not sure what kind of fan you are.

My other concerns with certain fans tend towards the methodological. To advance a theory regardless of outcome ("We lost because of the coach" or, my favorite, "We won in spite of the coach") or counterfactual evidence is simply irrational and frequently annoying. But as long as we can all cheer for United together, I'll let better soccer minds than mine (see Rockwell, Chest) parse those triumphs of ideology over reason.

Posted by: vivzig | October 18, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

SoehntheExit, maybe if DCU makes the playoffs we can meet up in lot 8. I'll bring some paper towels so you can wipe the poop off your nose.

Posted by: DadRyan | October 18, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

Viv -

Well put. It's the old adage, "players win games, coaches lose 'em and refs ruin 'em." Not sure who coined that but it is rather accurate. So some on this board (I must admit myself included) give Soehn quite the tounge-lashing, deserved or not. In any case, my angle is that Soehn just does not match up with some of the top minds in the league - but that's beside the point at the moment, and yes you are right, I leave the real analysis to Chest, whose posts are always a treat to read and leave me looking at things more objectively.

I think the majority of us on here love this team and are happy when we win (whether we desrve to or not). I think we are all passionate about the black-and-red. This team is in our blood. Now do we all see DCU the same way? Absolutely not. That's where this blog comes in - we chat our differnces and opions all of which, at the end of the day, translate into our collective love for one of the best team's in the league (yeah we're in a rough spot right now, but our traidtion is undeniable).

Disagreement is one thing, but it saddens me when a team...a family, turns on itself in difficult times. Like I said it was the personal attacks that made me post tonight. I think we are all happy and love this team and the win(s), we just have differnt ways to go about it.

But you are also right, some of us have grown so spoiled with success and/or so jaded with the rough spot that we tend to overextend our criticisms. Maybe sometimes, especially in times like these, we should just be happy with the 3 and look towards the next game. It's what the players do. So as fans, we owe it to them, to the team and to our fellow fans as we roll along in that most solid tradition that is known as DC United.

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh2 | October 18, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

VAMOS UNITED!!

Posted by: Kosh2

That just bore repeating.

Posted by: vivzig | October 18, 2009 2:09 AM | Report abuse

DadRyan if DC makes the playoffs I'd be more then happy about it, though it wouldn't change the fact that I believe TS is a coach lacking serious tactical aptitude i.e. crappy. Speaking of which in regards to your scatological fantasy, your on, though if DC doesn't make the plays-offs, I get to readily apply poop to yours.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 18, 2009 2:35 AM | Report abuse

Impressed by our boys tonight. Vamos United!

Not impressed by nicole4 ("Real fans have been in the stands"). Grow up.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | October 18, 2009 2:42 AM | Report abuse

I am very impressed with the fans who showed up tonight to support the-red-and-black. It was pretty miserable out there, and going into the match our playoff situation was very dire. Hats off to y'all and congratulations to the team for the 3 points in the final regular season home match.

Looks like Cronin, as said before, is a keeper!

So we have Pontius and Olsen back for the final?

Posted by: billindmd | October 18, 2009 4:43 AM | Report abuse

SoehtheExit, my apologies, my friend. I'm right there with you in thinking Tommy isn't getting it done consistently enough to warrant another year of service. I'm torn between wanting the team to some how scrape their way into the playoffs and wanting the clubs failure this season to be without question and see Soehn and Kasper get shown the EXIT.

This week marks the first week this season that I've really stopped paying close attention to lineups, streaks etc. My fantasy teams probably reflect that. Except for the fact that I still have remained faithful that Emilio will score before the season ends... I was a jerk for picking on you for pointing out the obvious.
Still not a fan of looking for others to pat you on the back to reinforce your righteousness. That's where the brown nosing reference came from.
At any rate, as Kosh pointed out we're obviously both passionate about the same club and are just looking for signs of them returning to success.
Vamos United!

Posted by: DadRyan | October 18, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

DadRyan, apology accepted and I think we are very much on the same page, I'm torn as well. Also I can also see where my extremist stance seems self-righteous at times, it's my Howard Beale soccer blog impersonation, but I'm certainly not looking for any pats on the head, I've had many tangles on this blog over my position in regards to TS over the last 20 months and truly could careless if anyone agrees. I guess in the end I'm mad as hell and my wife can't take it anymore so I have to vent on Goff's blog so she won't have my precise cable disconnected.

Posted by: SoehntheExit | October 18, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

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