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Monday Kickaround

*We all saw Thierry Henry's handball that led to the goal that ousted Ireland from World Cup contention. Tragic and unjust, indeed. But now Ireland wants to be included in South Africa next summer as the 33rd participant, FIFA confirmed. Rightfully, Sepp Blatter pointed out that, if such a request were considered, Costa Rica would also have a case since the Ticos were involved in controversy in their playoff with Uruguay. Never mind the fact that France's dubious goal did not definitively undermine Ireland's passage; who's to say the French wouldn't have prevailed later in overtime or PKs? I understand cries for the match to be replayed. But direct qualification from a two-leg series that was even on aggregate before the overtime goal?

Meantime, FIFA will consider whether to increase the number of match officials in order to avoid such problems in the future.

"Something has to be done in terms of match control," Blatter said. "We have only one man on the field of play who shall intervene in this matter. He has two assistants for the time being, perhaps more in the future. He has to make an immediate decision. He has only two eyes. So match control is now is on the agenda. How shall we avoid such situations as we have seen in this very specific match?"

*Friday's World Cup draw can be seen live on ESPN2 beginning at noon ET. The USSF's traveling delegation will include, among others, President Sunil Gulati, CEO/Secretary General Dan Flynn and Coach Bob Bradley.

Much more to read on the continuation.....

*Things you like to hear college coaches say.....

Portland's Bill Irwin, after the Pilots played attractive soccer for much of their 1-0 loss at Virginia: "We drill into these guys that we want to play. I don't want to watch a tennis match, smacking balls here and there. We are trying to get these guys ready for the next level. ... I want us to be remembered for playing soccer, not just kickball. They are better than that, they deserve better than that."

Akron's Caleb Porter, a candidate for D.C. United's coaching job, in the Cleveland Plain Dealer: "We play an attack style of soccer. We want to dominate the game. We press on offense, press on defense. We don't want to just hang on for what I call empty wins."

*With Maryland or Virginia guaranteed a berth in the College Cup (and Wake Forest and North Carolina in contention), the ACC will be represented in the final four for the ninth consecutive season. Last year, Maryland, Wake and UNC advanced. The dates and times are now set for all four quarterfinals.

*DCU's Chris Pontius and Chicago's Patrick Nyarko scored for the MLS Generation Adidas squad in a 2-0 victory over the Orlando Pirates' reserves in South Africa.

By Steve Goff  |  November 30, 2009; 11:10 AM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , College Soccer , D.C. United , FIFA , Ireland , MLS  
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Comments

Greatest quote I've ever seen from a college coach.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | November 30, 2009 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Steve - any insight on when the actual draw will begin amidst the back-slapping and pageantry?

Posted by: beach3 | November 30, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

The Thierry Henry handball has already gone down in the Annals of Soccer Injustice. That gives Ireland permanent kvetching rights, and, lucky them, in time for this year's Festivus. Too bad, but that's all they should get.

Posted by: dccal | November 30, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

In addition to when the actual draw will begin, how long will it take?

Posted by: mandrakos | November 30, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

bad and missed calls are, unfortunately, part of the game. There should be no replay of the game, Ireland should not advance to the world cup, but Ireland have the right to complain all they want.

Great quotes from the college coaches. With more and more people playing and more coaches with that mentality, the quality of US Soccer will only improve.

Posted by: bigbadbri | November 30, 2009 11:43 AM | Report abuse

So who will the "seeded" teams be?

Based on current FIFA rankings...
1) South Africa (host)
2) Spain
3) Brazil
4) Netherlands
5) Italy
6) Portugal (?)
7) Germany
8) France (?)

I find it hard to believe France and Portugal will still get the seeds despite their FIFA ranking but do England (#9) or Argentina (#8) deserve it? At #14 does the US even have a chance?

Posted by: Southeasterner | November 30, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Caleb Porter is moving to the top of my list...

Posted by: mbyrd28 | November 30, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Is Pontius Generation Adidas now? Or did they just invite all of the promising young MLSers along?

Posted by: MattinSilverSpring | November 30, 2009 11:49 AM | Report abuse

Atta boy Pontius!

Posted by: AnthonyTheGreat | November 30, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

for the college cup, I'd like to see a system keep conference rivals from knocking each other out early on. the world cup uses regionally based "pools" but that requires group play. perhaps a March Madness style in which the four #1s, #2s, etc. can be juggled (or rigged, depending on your perspective) to ensure greater competition between conferences. of course, what I really want is to see the ACC get all four slots on the final weekend.

Posted by: troy6 | November 30, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

What happens first...

...Benny's testimonial match is announced
...DCU Names a Coach
...We see ANY Stadium news

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | November 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

for the college cup, I'd like to see a system keep conference rivals from knocking each other out early on.
Posted by: troy6
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The would be no need for that if the NCAA went to a single table...

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | November 30, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Ireland are just being silly now. As if wanting a replay weren't already the height of crying. They did have a full 90 minutes at home to score and didn't. They did have a player with a one-on-one with the French keeper in the second half of the Paris leg and didn't score. Sack up, Ireland!

Posted by: Boogie_Knight | November 30, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

It really didn't make much sense that there were no ACC teams on Akron's side of the bracket. All of the Big 11 schools are out after getting four seeds...

Posted by: sitruc | November 30, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Goff,

Any news on Emilio? I know an article was saying he was going to decide if he sticks with DC or goes to Japan, Mexico after Thanksgiving.

Posted by: AnthonyTheGreat | November 30, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

The rest of Porter's quote: "[...] sometimes we get torched for 6 or 10 goals by quick counter-attacks, but that's just part of avoiding empty wins.

Posted by: jeffResistor | November 30, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Portland coach Irwin is also head coach of the U-23 US WNT

Posted by: OWNTF | November 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

How many times do you think they'll show The Hand de Gaulle next summer?

To my Irish brethren, please let it go! If not, then invade France and turn that country into a giant pub.

Posted by: joedoc1 | November 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Here's something I'd even more like to hear college coaches say:
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[Akron] is a team of strong students. We're talking about a team with a 3.256 grade-point average, a team where nine of 11 starters are above 3.0. It's a team where sophomore Kofi Sarkodie (Huber Heights) made first team Academic All-American with a 4.0 GPA in microbiology. A product of Cuyahoga Valley Christian Academy, Zemanski is a third-team Academic All-American with a 3.5 GPA in mechanical engineering.

"We have players who really care about soccer and care about academics," Porter said. "We recruit kids like that."

Posted by: OWNTF | November 30, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Southeasterner,

According to Grant Wahl, England and Argentina will be seeded instead of Netherlands and Portugal. Also, one of the pots is 8 Euro teams so there can only be 5 seeded Euro teams.

Check out my mock draw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SIqeN15yXY

Posted by: la2stl | November 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Steve, as I checked in on Soccer Insider for the fifth time today, I had the overwhelming need to say this:

Thanks for all that you do.

Posted by: seahawkdad | November 30, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

The would be no need for that if the NCAA went to a single table...

Posted by: I-270Exit1
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with home and away matches, right? ;-)

Posted by: troy6 | November 30, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Bill Irwin speaks? I thought he was just a comedic mime....

Posted by: fischy | November 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Ireland's calls for a replay were the equivalent of a child throwing a tantrum. Declaring yourself the 33rd team in a 32-team tournament is worse. Honestly, I find their conduct (the FAI specifically, not that of the Irish players or Ireland fans) just as embarrassing as Henry's handball.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | November 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Again, is there any chance that Friday's VA/MD game will get some television coverage locally or perhaps a live feed online?

Posted by: DadRyan | November 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Also looking for a link to a video of the Charlie Davies interview that was reportedly on ESPN. I've looked at ESPNsoccernet, etc. and can't find it. Anyone? The screen grab of him on some other blogs make him look really different than what I've seen of him previously.

Posted by: DadRyan | November 30, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we can get Bill Irwin to return to DC. He did play goalie for the old Diplomats in the NASL.

Posted by: ViveQAC | November 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

For those of us working on Friday and unable to get to a TV during lunch, are there any plans live blog the WC draw during real time?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | November 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

For those of us working on Friday and unable to get to a TV during lunch, are there any plans live blog the WC draw during real time?

Posted by: Dougmacintyre | November 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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I believe FIFA will have a "draw"tracker application going. I seem to recall it from previous draws.

Posted by: beach3 | November 30, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

"The USSF's traveling delegation will include, among others, President Sunil Gulati, CEO/Secretary General Dan Flynn and Coach Bob Bradley."

Thank God Cobi Jones won't be there to "help" us in the draw...He did such a great job the last time...

Posted by: alan19 | November 30, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Is it final that there will be no rematch? Last I heard, it was up to France to agree or not. If Ireland is asking to be the 33rd team, I suppose it's a "No Deal. Final Answer" from France.

Pretty lousy of France not to agree, however. Their entry into the tournament this way is forever tainted. If the USA were in France's shoes, would you agree to Ireland's request? I wouldn't protest if we were in their shoes and we did agree to a rematch... even, I think, if we lost. It would be honorable.

Posted by: WorldCup | November 30, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Why not have Ireland and Costa Rica have a "play-in" match like NCAA Basketball?

Posted by: alecw81 | November 30, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

My guesses on the seeds: S.A., Brazil, Argentina, Spain, Netherlands, Italy, Germany, and Portugal. I gave them the nods over France and England based on euro2008 performances of Portugal and Netherlands, England's lack of euro2008 attendance, etc.

So that means that France and England get thrown into a uefa pot, which will have exactly 8.

8 seeds
uefa: 8 teams

This neat math also allows the remaining 4 associations to neatly add together to make the remaining two pots. Africa and Asia/Oceania have 5 teams, South America and Concacaf each have 3 remaining. So, do we get paired with Africa or Asia/Oceania? I think we'll end up paired with Africa.

Under that circumstance, our best case draw could be something like South Africa, Switzerland, USA and New Zealand. Worst case could be something like Brazil, England, USA and Australia.

Posted by: tboss | November 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

This rematch talk is just dumb. It will never ever never ever happen. Having a 33rd team is even dumber. It will never ever never ever happen.

Posted by: Reignking | November 30, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Roy Keane had it right...Ireland had plenty of chances to win and didn't take them...where's the acknowledgement of that?

Posted by: teo_68 | November 30, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Why not have Ireland and Costa Rica have a "play-in" match like NCAA Basketball?

Posted by: alecw81 | November 30, 2009 2:25 PM
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And then what? Which of the 32 teams already in the tournament do you wish to disinvite (or subject to yet another play-in against the Ireland-Costa Rica winner?).

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Ireland is getting ridiculous now, asking for an automatic berth OR to be seeded in Brazil in '14. That is absurd. The best moment of the Blatter press conference was when he said "but they have asked, very humbly 'Can't we be team No33 at the World Cup?' They have asked for that, really." the audience laughed. It's indeed laughable.

I'm happy to hear Blatter insisting on something being done to prevent this in the future. It happened in '86 and now in '09. Let's not let it happen again. Now we will wait until he backs up his words with actions.

Posted by: adamsunited | November 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Again, is there any chance that Friday's VA/MD game will get some television coverage locally or perhaps a live feed online?

Posted by: DadRyan | November 30, 2009 1:40 PM
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If there are audio and/or video streams for any game in this tournament, you can find links by clicking on that game at the tournament site:

http://www.ncaa.com/brackets/2009/ncaa_bracket_DI_soccer_men.html

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about a replay is getting my Irish up.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | November 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

we have 32 teams and that is that. had any team outside of those 32 won its qualifying matches, that team would be going. no team ever failed to qualify based on one match.

Posted by: troy6 | November 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Thank God Cobi Jones won't be there to "help" us in the draw...He did such a great job the last time...
Posted by: alan19
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We should send Heather Mitts, Hope Solo, and Leslie Osborne. We'd end up in a group with New Zealand, North Korea, and South Africa.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | November 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

for the college cup, I'd like to see a system keep conference rivals from knocking each other out early on.

Posted by: troy6 | November 30, 2009 11:51 AM
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They already have restrictions that keep schools from the same conference from meeting before the round of 16. Are you saying that there should be no such showdowns before the quarters? That would be next to mathematically impossible, because it would have to apply not only to ACC schools, but also to other conferences. (The Big East, Big Ten, and Ivy League were each represented by four or more schools this year.)

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm of 100% Irish heritage and therefore I am obviously right about this.

Not only should the Irish get a rematch but even if they lose they should still get a newly-created 33rd slot at the WC.

Oh, and the Irish flag gets to fly over the Eiffel Tower for a year.

And french fries at the US Capitol Building must be renamed "Irish Fries" until the WC is over.

I mean, it's only fair.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | November 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Is Irwin coaching both Portland teams, as Clive Charles did (and as Anson Dorrance once did with UNC)? Was he at UCLA for the women's quarters the previous day?

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

It's Just Another Cyber Monday...

Posted by: joedoc1 | November 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Bill Irwin speaks? I thought he was just a comedic mime....

Posted by: fischy | November 30, 2009 1:26 PM
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He got away from that ages ago. He is currently performing in a revival of Bye Bye Birdie on Broadway.

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

It's Just Another Cyber Monday...

Posted by: joedoc1

Interesting how that completely fabricated event is now being reported on as being significant.

Posted by: Reignking | November 30, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

That's a really strange promotion because the Bay Area Cyber Rays have been defunct for years.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | November 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The Irish aren't even BCS eligible.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | November 30, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

More hilarity. I'm sure there would be gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, would the US have suffered similar ignomy. But dem's da breaks, kid.

Posted by: Matte | November 30, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Interesting how that completely fabricated event is now being reported on as being significant.

Posted by: Reignking | November 30, 2009 4:13 PM
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Earth Day?

(Sorry, fischy... didn't mean to make you choke on your tofu.)

Posted by: joedoc1 | November 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

More hilarity. I'm sure there would be gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, would the US have suffered similar ignomy. But dem's da breaks, kid.

Posted by: Matte

It would probably be about the same, if it were to happen to the US, on SoccerInsider.IE.

Posted by: Reignking | November 30, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

And then what? Which of the 32 teams already in the tournament do you wish to disinvite (or subject to yet another play-in against the Ireland-Costa Rica winner?).

Posted by: universityandpark | November 30, 2009 2:40 PM
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I agree that Ireland should not be added as a 33rd (or 32nd) team. Nonethless, the clear answer to your question is to pit the Ireland-Costa Rica winner against New Zealand. (Please forgive me, Ryan Nelsen.)

Posted by: bennyf118 | November 30, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

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