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D.C. United Updates

*D.C. United has cut ties with reserve defenders Avery John and David Habarugira, leaving the club with eight defenders in the mix for the work-in-progress roster: Marc Burch, Julius James, Dejan Jakovic, Bryan Namoff, Rodney Wallace, Devon McTavish, Lawson Vaughn (invited to training camp without a contract) and fourth-round draft pick Jordan Graye.

Considering Jakovic and James are the only true center backs, the club seems certain to add an experienced middle man in the coming weeks.

*Coach Curt Onalfo and assistant Kris Kelderman are scheduled to begin a scouting trip in Brazil on Thursday.

*MLS teams will soon begin to see first drafts of the full 2010 league schedule. The plan is to finalize the calendar by early February. The home openers were unveiled in September. United's first three matches are at Kansas City on March 27, vs. New England at RFK Stadium on April 3, and at Philadelphia on April 10.

*How do you spell the first name of United's newly acquired Salvadoran midfielder? It's C-h-r-i-s-t-i-a-n, says Christian Castillo. In some references, he is listed as Cristian.

For stadium news.....

*The Baltimore Business Journal tells us that the Maryland Stadium Authority has approved a $100,000 feasibility study concerning a possible stadium for either United or second-division Crystal Palace Baltimore.

With New York and Philadelphia set to play in new facilities this season and Kansas City breaking ground today, United (RFK) joins New England (Gillette Stadium) and San Jose (think high school football stadium) with the worst venue situations in MLS. It should be noted, however, that although the Revolution is stuck in a facility too large for its purposes, the club does not have to pay rent (the Krafts own both the Revs and Patriots) and collects game-day revenue.

Like New England, Seattle plays in an NFL stadium, but with the Sounders' record-setting attendance and a downtown setting, Qwest Field fits their needs. Houston has been seeking a new home, but for the time being, 32,000-seat Robertson Stadium is acceptable.

United would like to remain in the hub of the metro area, and to that end, it continues to explore opportunities to stay in the District. The club has also had talks with groups in the Maryland and Virginia suburbs. Is Baltimore the answer? Probably not. But how much longer can United remain at crumbling RFK, losing millions of dollars annually, while most other clubs now offer a more pleasant game-day experience and, most importantly, are able to generate revenue through outside events, private boxes and other means?

By Steve Goff  |  January 20, 2010; 12:58 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , MLS  
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Comments

Avery gets re-labeled.

Posted by: joedoc1 | January 20, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Great thing San Jose got another team!

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, more roster moves are in the offing since two of the listed defenders (Wallace and McTavish) saw more time in the midfield than on the back line last year.

The dire nature of the stadium situation can not be overstated. Time is running out. Another year or two at RFK is probably all the franchise can afford.

Posted by: Jphubba | January 20, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"DC" United. Enjoy it while it lasts.

Trivia. Everton 1st 11 currently includes 2 Englishmen, 2 Americans, 2 Frenchmen, 1 Belgian, 1 Dutchman, 1 Russian, 1 Aussie, and 1 South African.

Posted by: OWNTF | January 20, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

How is that trivia? Or is it more like Jeopardy?

What are the currently nationalities of the starting 11 at Everton, Alex?

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Another year or two at RFK is probably all the franchise can afford.

Posted by: Jphubba | January 20, 2010 1:13 PM
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Is this internet speculation or do you have some source for this?

Posted by: JkR- | January 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

This sentence should really read:

"United would like to find someone else to pay for a stadium to stay in the District, and to that end, it continues to explore opportunities to remain in the hub of the metropolitan area."

Posted by: Juan-John1 | January 20, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I've been away from DC for 10 years and continue to support the team even if they move to the suburbs. But I won't be supporting Baltimore United, regardless of the teams financial needs. Baltimore isn't the capitol of the nation and to me, isn't worthy of the team that has been created in the district.

Posted by: DCUinCT | January 20, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Triv-i-a: Noun. Definition: unimportant things: a collection of insignificant or obscure items, details, or information (takes a singular or plural verb)

[Early 20th century. Latinized back-formation

Some words had meaning even in the mists of antiquity before there were TV game shows.

Posted by: OWNTF | January 20, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

D.C. United has cut ties with reserve defenders Avery John and David Habarugira..
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Thank goodness. And last year we had some posters thinking Hamburgesa was the 2nd coming of Gooch or something.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 20, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@DCUinCT

Not worthy? Now why in the world would folks in Balmer ge tthe idea that people in DC are pompous and insufferable?

Posted by: teo_68 | January 20, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Ah, some DC stadium talk (or lack there of).

Seems like it's time to bring this back out again, something I haven't done in quite a while:

"Thank you Kevin for this D.C. United jersey and congratulations on your terrific season. It is great to see over 20,000 fans here at RFK supporting D.C. United. It is my hope that your fans will soon be coming to your brand new soccer stadium at Poplar Point in Anacostia. World class fans, and a world class team like D.C. United, deserve a world class stadium. And I am going to make it a priority to help you build that stadium. Thank you -- congratulations and good luck to the Black-and-Red!"

-Adrian Fenty on Oct 29 2006 (right before a mayoral election mind you)

link to full article: http://www.mlsnet.com/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20061031&content_id=77524&vkey=news_dcu&fext=.jsp&team=t103

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 20, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Questions to ponder:

1. Will we find a reliable, consistent goalscorer?
2. Will we find quality depth at the center back?
3. Can we overcome the handicap of having Curt Onalfo as our coach?

Posted by: anonymousinva | January 20, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

On the stadium, DC United/MLS cannot keep funding a team long-term in RFK. The Club is quickly becoming the financial drag on the league and I'm certain that as soon as The Don finishes his CBA dance, he'll focus on figuring out where we move to.

The hardest part about all of this is that in the back of my head, I'm sure the District won't even allow United to BUY and Develop land w/o help. Something tells me that Fenty is sticking it to the Club as hard as he can. So we're all going to have to get comfortable with Suburban VA United or we'll be seeing the Black-and-Red suiting up in Atlanta, Miami, St. Louis, or Queens.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | January 20, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

well in, Joe. how long have you been waiting to use that one?

Posted by: troy6 | January 20, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

If we're not as concerned about our defenders being attacked by their own keeper, Avery John's size and strength aren't as important as they were last year . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | January 20, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

This sentence should really read:

"United would like to find someone else to pay for a stadium to stay in the District, and to that end, it continues to explore opportunities to remain in the hub of the metropolitan area."

Posted by: Juan-John1
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that's a bit oversimplified. jack kent cooke spent the better part of a decade trying to build a pointyball stadium in the district entirely at his own cost. the almost-but-not-quite poplar point deal only asked the city to fund civic infrastructure that the city ought to be doing for that ward anyway (power and sewer upgrades, expanded metro facilities). the deal fell apart when the city didn't want to give dcu's controlling partners the rights to do commercial development around the stadium (which the city also should be trying to do anyway). i'm not saying dcu is blameless in this stagnation, but they are hardly the main problem.

Posted by: troy6 | January 20, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

did someone say "Trivia"? (with special "Red and the Black" bonus allusion):

The Thermals
"It's Trivia"

Go fast
Go slow
Go sly
Go low
Where the hell you wanna be?
All systems intact
The red and the black
Black eventually

Go fast
Go slow
Go sly
Go low
Where the hell you wanna be?
All systems intact
The red and the black
Black eventually

Count the numbers and the words
And the numbness in return

Go fast
Go slow
Go sly
Go low
Where the hell you wanna be?
All systems intact
The red and the black
Black eventually
Get fat and waste
Get smashed in the face
Where the hell you wanna be?

Go fast
Go slow
Go sly
Go low
Where the hell you wanna be?

Count the numbers and return
Count the numbers and the words
And the numbness in return
They go 4-3-2-1

Go fast
Go slow
Go sly
Go low
Where the hell you wanna be?
Where the hell you wanna be?

All systems intact
The red and the black
Black eventually
Go sly
Go low

Count the numbers and the words
And the numbness in return
They go 4-3-2-1

If it only means
To sing loud
It's only trivia
So don't freak out

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | January 20, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Fenty is up for reelection. Our fans in DC should remind he or his people everytime they are asked to vote for him that he renigged on DC United's stadium. Let him sweat.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | January 20, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

On the stadium, DC United/MLS cannot keep funding a team long-term in RFK. The Club is quickly becoming the financial drag on the league and I'm certain that as soon as The Don finishes his CBA dance, he'll focus on figuring out where we move to.

___________________________________________

The reality is that we may soon face the prospect where the choice is not Baltimore vs. DC, but rather Baltimore vs. St. Louis, or somewhere else. If Baltimore presents a viable option -- and why would the city shell out $75 K for a study if this was all just a pipe dream -- you better believe Garber will jump on it. Baltimore offers a decent built in fan base, and the league will figure there will be some residual support from the DC fan base. I wouldn't renew my season tickets, but if Baltimore offered a great SSS in a cool urban setting, I could see five to six weekend treks per season.

I think the NY and Philly stadiums this year will really accentuate the direness of our stadium situation.

Posted by: jofij | January 20, 2010 2:01 PM | Report abuse

@VirginiaFan

I think you meant "reneged," Mr. Greenberg.

Posted by: jburksva | January 20, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

"renigged"

wow, i'm really, really hoping that that's an innocent mistake for "reneged".

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | January 20, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Breakdown of a 24-man roster:

3 goalies, maximum (I know we have four in the fold now, but I wonder if Hamid is still falls under an exception from the 24-man MLS roster? If Hamid is counted towards the MLS roster, Wicks will be on the disabled list to start -- but, when he returns, a decision will have to be made);

8 defenders, minimum -- Right now, Vaughn is in the mix, but he is closest to the bubble. If Namoff starts on the DL, Vaughn will hang around...unless DCU brings in 2 better defenders. If Namoff is a no-go, we need a CB and a fullback. My question about Habarugira is why DCU raved so much about this guy during and after his trial. Were they just blowing smoke?

8 Midfielders, minimum -- Depending on Barklage's health, we have Castillo, Simms, Szetela, Quaranta, Shipilane, Barklage, DiRaimondo. Gomez is still on the roster, but... Even with Gomez and a healthy Barklage (seems unlikely), the team is short at least one midfielder. Realistically, they need to add at least 2 -- a playmaker, and depth at D-Mid should be the priorities.

4 Forwards, minimum -- Allsopp, Pontius, Moreno, Khumalo. That's the bare minimum, and Khumalo and/or Pontius may yet be pressed into a midfield role.

1 Wild-card -- Depending on need --- where will DCU most need the depth?

Posted by: fischy | January 20, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand ....... the more the other stadiums come on-line, the LESS we are a drag on the entire league. When we're losing a few million and the league is losing tens of millions with the current set-up, we're the big drag amongst all the drag. But when everyone else stops losing a few million, we'll be the only one and that will be offset by other team revenue - which is really the good thing about single entity. Or might be.
I mean, there really are no United owners holding the league back in revenue, just a little bit of loss to offset with accounting tricks an voila! :)

And could Uncle Will hold the team here regardless of Garber's wishes? What's he gonna do, renounce our charter to play in the league, with the 14 or so other guys who are theoretically also part-owners? Wouldn't they all have to get together and decide to disband the team, or move it (and buy it) out from under Will?

Posted by: dcufan | January 20, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

It's great to see a pool of defenders who aren't on their last legs. Still need to sign a central defender, though.

I'm starting to think that our awful stadium situation is the only thing DC can count on every season.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 20, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

we'll be the only one and that will be offset by other team revenue -

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I'd prefer to support a team that wasn't always looking for a handout.

Posted by: OWNTF | January 20, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Please forgive me for the spelling error. It was just that.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | January 20, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

@OWNTF,

ARSENAL!

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | January 20, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Goff wrote

"But how much longer can United remain at crumbling RFK, losing millions of dollars annually, while most other clubs now offer a more pleasant game-day experience and, most importantly, are able to generate revenue through outside events, private boxes and other means?"

DC United could definitely use a nicer stadium but I strongly disagree that most other stadiums offer "a more pleasant game-day experience".

Of course opinions will vary but RFK is still a great place to tailgate and enjoy a game in a location pretty easily accesible to most of the DC area's population. I agree with those that think Fenty has screwed the team over but the best and most achievable solution might be to allow DC United's ownership a better deal at RFK as in more shared revenue (parking and concessions) combined with more reasonable rent.

Maybe some day the team and league can make money through TV and merchandising and we'll no longer look at game-day revenue spent by fans at the stadium as the only important money source.

Be careful what you wish for. I'd virtually ceased going if a typical DC United game experience turned into an ordeal similar to last summer's Real Madrid game at Fed Ex field.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | January 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Weird poll on cnn.com

Would you wear a stab vest at the World Cup in South Africa?

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Another year or two at RFK is probably all the franchise can afford.

Posted by: Jphubba | January 20, 2010 1:13 PM
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Is this internet speculation or do you have some source for this?

Posted by: JkR- | January 20, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse


Are you kidding me? Please look up the commissioners sentiments on this. The clock is very definitely ticking and DCU is down by a few goals.

Posted by: blackandred777 | January 20, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

yes, we're just a little bit thin on defense. good thing we're scouting in brazil, that famous hotbed of mls defenders. maybe we're going to bring in "roger" for another week-long stint.

i'm not sure what the economic impact of a dc united stadium would be, either in baltimore or dc. but i do know that the prospect of a stadium has been a real boon for the local feasibility study industry.

Posted by: stairs | January 20, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore vs. DC, but rather Baltimore vs. St. Louis, or somewhere else. If Baltimore presents a viable option -- and why would the city shell out $75 K for a study if this was all just a pipe dream -- you better believe Garber will jump on it. Baltimore offers a decent built in fan base, and the league will figure there will be some residual support from the DC fan base. I wouldn't renew my season tickets, but if Baltimore offered a great SSS in a cool urban setting, I could see five to six weekend treks per season.

Posted by: jofij | January 20, 2010 2:01 PM

Baltimore might as well be St. Louis for me. I won't watch games up there - won't be DC United anymore, just an MLS club in Baltimore. I'd spend more money watching actual Washington area teams and get my soccer fix abroad and traveling to US games. Sorry, just my two cents.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 20, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

but i do know that the prospect of a stadium has been a real boon for the local feasibility study industry.

Posted by: stairs | January 20, 2010 2:55 PM

:-D

Posted by: Kev29 | January 20, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore might as well be St. Louis for me. I won't watch games up there - won't be DC United anymore, just an MLS club in Baltimore. I'd spend more money watching actual Washington area teams and get my soccer fix abroad and traveling to US games. Sorry, just my two cents.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 20, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think the most viable option for DCU is Montgomery County. However, they better be ready for the dreaded loudmouthed NIMBY's.

Posted by: blackandred777 | January 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Not kidding at all. I'll put it down as bluster.

Posted by: JkR- | January 20, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Of course opinions will vary but RFK is still a great place to tailgate and enjoy a game in a location pretty easily accessible to most of the DC area's population
Posted by: Joel_M_Lane

I agree 1000% with this and the FedEx sentiment.

Posted by: rockotodd | January 20, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@VirginiaFan

I am sure you spelled it phonetically and not racially. I am suprised that Goff did not catch that. However it is quite ironic considering that Fenty is an African American.

Posted by: no_recess | January 20, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@Joel_M_Lane,

I don't think the DCSEC is going to renogotiate the current deal. What leverage does DC United have in getting a lower rate besides that it's a location that is literally falling apart more each day? None. There's no alternative location for matches really. So the DCSEC will charge as much as they can.

I agree that I think the location is great. I still think its feasible for the team to remain somewhere in that general location, but beyond the local development rights (other sources of revenue), I've been slow on figuring out what are the other major hold-ups on that as a solution.

Lastly, don't ever get to a point where TV and other sources of revenue trump the actual fan. While the comfort of that scenario is nice. I'd like to think that MLS teams will avoid being the Jacksonville Jaguars, Florida Marlins, and some other banner clubs. I don't want to know that the owners are making money hand over fist whether I come to a game or not, and if I keep choosing to not because the product is bad, you just move the team to another city where they pay for a newer stadium and fans.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | January 20, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Of course opinions will vary but RFK is still a great place to tailgate and enjoy a game in a location pretty easily accessible to most of the DC area's population
Posted by: Joel_M_Lane

I agree 1000% with this and the FedEx sentiment.

Posted by: rockotodd | January 20, 2010 3:10 PM

That's all well and good, but sort of aside from the point. RFK is not feasible for the club's finances - we all know that. It's also no longer very good for the image of the club. The old stadium is not exactly bringing out new fans - and has anyone else noticed the team's on field fortunes change for the worse as soon as the stadium search turned into a fiasco in the middle of the 2007 season (I know, I know, it's not the only reason)?

Sure, RFK is still fun for those who have been tailgating there since 96 (and earlier) - but it's a terrible for the bigger picture issues.

Posted by: Kev29 | January 20, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

RFK is fun because that's where the games are held. Until they are not anymore.

Posted by: JkR- | January 20, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

There is a group in place to show support for the stadium project and a MLS team in Baltimore.

www.mlsinbaltimore.org

Posted by: BmoreFan | January 20, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Welp, then the games would undoubtedly be fun in Baltimore too.
RFK is fun because it's like a real life version of Tom Sawyer's Island. Giant rats, dark dripping tunnels, hip flasks, and corn cob pipes... We will lose that with a new stadium, and for now I'll have my fun.

Posted by: DadRyan | January 20, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

"@VirginiaFan

I am sure you spelled it phonetically and not racially. I am suprised that Goff did not catch that. "

Goff's either cleaning up vomit from his bathroom floor or else out getting scoops -- better stuff to do than proofread our brilliant posts.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | January 20, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The 50% higher ticket prices which will come with our eventual new stadium will make it a less pleasant experience for me.

I could be wrong . . . hey Mastodon Juan, has your season ticket cost gone up this year?

Posted by: fallschurch1 | January 20, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Agree w/ Joel. However, didn't DCU already get improved lease terms for a couple years last year? I seem to remember Payne commenting on it.

JkR - You are right that wherever the game is, it will be fun. But Joel is right that the tailgating experience in lot 8 is almost certainly not going to be replicated in the next facility.

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Baltimore will get the stadium, lure DCU away and then Crystal Palace will move to someplace in the DC metro area.

Posted by: Senor_Funk | January 20, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

fallschurch1, they are raising the ticket prices anyway... new stadium or no.

Gotta love paying more to watch a stagnating team play in a decrepit dump (still love you RFK)

Posted by: me_ahogo | January 20, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

1. DCU moves to Baltimore
2. Soccer Insider denizens, Barra, SEs, and La Norte band together to start FC United of DC and play in the USL-2 or whatever... we can move our way up whenever MLS switches to promotion/relegation in 20 years or so.

Punk football, who is with me...

Posted by: me_ahogo | January 20, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Personally I think the most viable option for DCU is Montgomery County. However, they better be ready for the dreaded loudmouthed NIMBY's.

Posted by: blackandred777 | January 20, 2010 3:08 PM


If DCU's best option were Montgomery County they would have already moved far, far from the DC area a long time ago.

Posted by: hawknt | January 20, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

9 goals at Villa Park tonight - not the best of nights for Guzan and our old pal Ryan Nelson :-0

Posted by: Kev29 | January 20, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

What are United's pre-season plans? Florida? Carolina Cup . . . no exotic friendlies in Spain or Mexico?

Posted by: delantero | January 20, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

"fallschurch1, they are raising the ticket prices anyway... new stadium or no."

But my understanding -- and this is something Goff has weighed in on, unlike our faulty spell-check -- is that ticket prices would go WAY up in a new stadium.

I'd like to see a new stadium too, but just sayin -- affordable tickets are probably something to enjoy now, along with the corn cob pipes. And the lottery-winner-like feeling of finding a working water fountain.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | January 20, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

And could Uncle Will hold the team here regardless of Garber's wishes? What's he gonna do, renounce our charter to play in the league, with the 14 or so other guys who are theoretically also part-owners? Wouldn't they all have to get together and decide to disband the team, or move it (and buy it) out from under Will?

Posted by: dcufan | January 20, 2010 2:16 PM
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If I not mistaken, under the so-called modified single-entity structure, the league owns 51 percent of each team. This means that the other owners share in United's red ink. It may be spread out among 15 (and counting) other ownership groups, but they're not running a charity. It also means that they have the means to force a move, just as they forced a move from San Jose to Houston several years back.

Do the other owners care whether a particular team plays its home games in Washington, Baltimore, St.Louis, or somewhere else, seeing as they themselves don't live in any of these places? I'd like to think they see more long-term upside potential in Washington than in the other cities, but I'm biased.

Posted by: universityandpark | January 20, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

There is a group in place to show support for the stadium project and a MLS team in Baltimore.

www.mlsinbaltimore.org

Posted by: BmoreFan | January 20, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Get your own team, stop poaching on our United!! ;)

But seriously, I can not, nor will I accept DC United playing in Ballamore. Just will not happen. I can accpet United in and around the metro area, yes. But not ballamore.

I can appreciate Baltimore looking for a team, but I will probably be vhemiantly against the MLS if we lose DC United to another state....

Posted by: dogboy | January 20, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

This years semi final stage of the Carling Cup is fantastic. Yesterday's City/Utd and Villa/Blackburn today. Very entertaining matches.

Posted by: peridigm | January 20, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Who's Nelson?

This from the Guardian:

89 min: Big Sam can be chuffed to bits with the effort from his players. Nelsen has been brilliant in Samba's absence, very often outnumbered but giving it his all no matter.

Posted by: JkR- | January 20, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

DC United needs to fire its General Manager. Its obvious he knows little about soccer or soccer talent. When you continuously revamp a team each year, players that you selected, then you do not know what you are doing. So every year is a rebuilding year and finding a chemistry year. Then when they do not make the playoffs they start all over again. The most glaring example was Real Salt Lake and all the former DC United players that are on the roster. All the players the GM has released have gone on to productive seasons elsewhere.

Posted by: Shampoo436 | January 20, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

After the Rain?

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

DC United needs to fire its General Manager. Its obvious he knows little about soccer or soccer talent. When you continuously revamp a team each year, players that you selected, then you do not know what you are doing. So every year is a rebuilding year and finding a chemistry year. Then when they do not make the playoffs they start all over again. The most glaring example was Real Salt Lake and all the former DC United players that are on the roster. All the players the GM has released have gone on to productive seasons elsewhere.

Posted by: Shampoo436

So, they should rebuild after missing the playoffs?

DCU won the Supporters Shield in 2007. Seems like the FO was just fine back then.

And who are these DCU players on RSL? Nick Rimando? Garth Lagerway?

And what DCU players that have been cut have gone on to such wonderful careers? Jay Nolly?

So...what are you talking about?

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

"And the lottery-winner-like feeling of finding a working water fountain."

You don't actually drink from them, do you?? Please tell me you don't.

Posted by: rockotodd | January 20, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Shampoo436 - the GM was like the 4th or 5th biggest problem for DCU over the past 2 years behind:

-Fixture congestion
-Injuries
-Argentina
-Coaching
-Stadium Issues

Posted by: VTUnited | January 20, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

...San Jose (think high school football stadium)...
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Are there any Santa Clara alumni out there?

Posted by: universityandpark | January 20, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Missed the Carling Cup match, but watched Arsenal roar back from a 2-0 deficit to take top spot in the EPL. Matt Taylor looked good on the left, but Holden could have contributed more than the guy on the right...

Posted by: fischy | January 20, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

and for the league to actually force DCU to move, there would have to be a municipality and an ownership group somewhere that could offer a better stadium situation than what DC currently has. I don't think St Louis, Atlanta, Miami, Baltimore, Nashville, or Queens have ownership groups AND stadiums in place. Montreal might, but there was some issue with their stadium situation too, if I recall. So it would seem to me that the threat of relocation is not currently legitimate.

Posted by: VTUnited | January 20, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

You are obviously new to this. We can go from Perkins to the whole back four some years ago. To the forward from El Salvador who played alongside Moreno and was the leading goal scorer for years, to Moreno who they released and went back begging. To the boy with the concussion from Maryland U who plays for Real Salt Lake and actually tackles defender when he loses the ball. You just come. Oh and the year they won that trophy they lost in the first round Do you know how far Real Salt Lake went last year.

Posted by: Shampoo436 | January 20, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

speaking in generalities like "the forward from el salvalor", or "the boy with the concussions from Maryland U" goes along way towards gaining credibility.

Posted by: VTUnited | January 20, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

As for the Santa Clara / Buck Shaw comments, I took a couple of classes at SCU in '07 and I went to three Quakes games there in '08, and I didn't think the stadium was that bad. Some of the seating is a little cramped, but the sightlines are great and you feel like you're right on the field. The renovations to the previous "stadium" were pretty darn impressive given the natural constraints on the space (parking garage on one side, major thoroughfare on the other.)

Posted by: j01usna | January 20, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You are obviously new to this.

Posted by: Shampoo436

If by "this", you mean speaking in riddles, not having facts straight, and not making sense at all, then yes.

Posted by: Reignking | January 20, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Fenty is up for reelection. Our fans in DC should remind he or his people everytime they are asked to vote for him that he renigged on DC United's stadium. Let him sweat.

Posted by: VirginiaFan

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Could be wrong but of all the United fgans who live in DC, I bet less than 1,000 of them vote.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | January 20, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

As for Baltimore -- these days, I spend more time in Columbia than Bethesda, so it would work for me -- but, it wouldn't feel like the same team. I'm sure that the FO will be quite wary of a move that far north. The distance -- It's not a big deal on weekends, but forget about the weeknight games. The biggest problem isn't that it's a little farther -- it's a different market, and DC locals will give it up. Which is why I don't think it will happen. The team will take a less sweet deal from DC, if only the city would come through. Yes, the city has an interest in having DCU play at RFK until they can get the Redskins a new stadium under the same federal land lease. I know the Redskins have not even been in their stadium for 15 years, but I think they can be persuaded to move. That can be accomplished, if the right people get busy.

Posted by: fischy | January 20, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Could be wrong but of all the United fgans who live in DC, I bet less than 1,000 of them vote.
Posted by: 9Nine9

yeah, that is random and wholly unsupported by anything.
The problem is there are a whole lot more DC voters that could care less about a new stadium for DCU.

Posted by: rockotodd | January 20, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why they can't build the new stadium on the site the the RFK / DC Armory / DC General complex. We can share the parking lot with the Daniel Snyder enormo-dome! That whole area is begging for redevelopment. It's on the Metro, close to downtown and there's acres and acres of space.

Posted by: diego_r | January 20, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

When I first saw "Coach Onalfo" I didn't think it was news involving DC United...

Posted by: carmines757 | January 20, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Could be wrong but of all the United fgans who live in DC, I bet less than 1,000 of them vote.
Posted by: 9Nine9

yeah, that is random and wholly unsupported by anything.
The problem is there are a whole lot more DC voters that could care less about a new stadium for DCU.

Posted by: rockotodd

Just sayin that Fenty is not likely to see DC United as a big campaign issue...The numbers used from my ARSEenal.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | January 20, 2010 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Political reality is that there are probably 100x as many votes in opposing a stadium...and that might be conservative.

Posted by: fischy | January 20, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Baltimore will get the stadium, lure DCU away and then Crystal Palace will move to someplace in the DC metro area.

Posted by: Senor_Funk | January 20, 2010
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Ya and they DC will prolly build Crystal Palace a bran-spankin-new stadium.

BTW: I WILL NEVER EVER root for United in Baltimore.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | January 20, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

I live in Baltimore, but I want United to remain in D.C. However, I don't think the District is going to do anything to help with a stadium. In fact, I believe they do not want a stadium. My second location choice would be in College Park, espcially if a partnership could be forged with UMD. I do not think Northern Virginia is an option because of the nightmarish traffic situation. Putting a stadium somewhere in PG County just seems like a weak option, espcially after they jerked the owners around once before. I understand how some supporters would refuse to support the team in a move to Baltimore. I don't blame them, but I believe some supporters would follow the team, and Baltimore is a better option for the club and many supporters than St. Loius, Atlanta, or Miami would be. It's time to make decisions. One way or the other the stadium issue needs to be resolved.

Posted by: rcdwriting | January 20, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Crystal (City) Palace?

Posted by: rcdwriting | January 20, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

It appears that Brad Guzan was wobbly in Aston Villa's 6-4 Cup win over Blackburn. Does he really have a lock on the second GK spot for South Africa? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/league_cup/8466159.stm

Posted by: bartapest1 | January 20, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore beats St. Louis. I'd keep my season tickets; the 10 minutes extra travel time would be made up for in improved game day experience.

Posted by: Curious99 | January 20, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Crystal (City) Palace?

Posted by: rcdwriting | January 20, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

I know what you're thinking man, but you should come take a look at Potomac Yard one of these days. It's nothing like it was even just 3 years ago. National Gateway, etc. is nearing completion and there is really no room down there any more. Woulda, Coulda, shoulda, there's not any room left down there.

Posted by: DadRyan | January 20, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

@fischy

I agree with your observation about Habarugira. Blowing smoke is what D.C. has been notorious at in recent years, e.g. Wells, Niell, etc.

@Joel

Also agree 100%..."RFK is still a great place to tailgate and enjoy a game in a location pretty easily accessible to most of the DC area's population"

The Real Madrid game at Fedex was horrible in my experience...poor tailgating and poor game atmosphere and layout.

@Stadium News

Is it possible for a sizable United fan group to go to Fenty's P.R. appearances and just heckel him for his blatant lie in 2006?
Enough talk about how we hate him for not holding his side of the bargain but maybe it's time we walk the walk.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 21, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

"hey Mastodon Juan, has your season ticket cost gone up this year?"

Not by much. I upgraded to midfield seats from "silver" (sideline), so I'm paying about 35% over the Giants Stadium tickets.

Midfield seats are $585 each. I believe roughly equivalent seats at Giants Stadium were in the vicinity of $525. It's my understanding that the putrid season last year led Red Bull to hold down the ticket price increases. I would expect them to catch up if the team every starts playing even mediocre soccer.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | January 21, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

At every public forum where Fenty is taking questions, this must be asked:

"Given your pre-election commitment to build a stadium at Poplar Point, and then your about face in office, why should DC voters trust your word on anything?"

AND if this bazillionaire gets into the race opposing Fenty, we must get him to use this as an example of Fenty's bad faith to voters.

IT DOES NOT MATTER HOW MANY OR FEW OF US THERE ARE. As District voters and United supporter, we have the right and the ability to make a stink, even if there are 20 of us. However I bet there are many more than that. We need a Facebook page people! DC Residents Demanding a Stadium or something like that...

Posted by: dsheon1 | January 21, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I hate to say this, but to make this a "promise betrayed" argument doesn't put United in the best light.

I won't go into your mischaracterization of Fenty's comment, but even if you were right that it was a commitment, things have changed dramatically since 2006.

You will have a very, very difficult time convincing most District voters that any public dollars should be spent on the stadium OR the infrastructure for the stadium. The argument that the infrastructure money must be spent regardless of what goes into Poplar Point doesn't hold water.

In the face of limited resources, what would happen is that not a single public dollar would be spent on Poplar Point. And that's exactly what HAS happened.

A bunch of MD and VA soccer fans' demand that DC money be spent on a soccer team is a losing cause.

A better strategy to go after Fenty would be to get ward-level politicians and community organizers to raise the issue. That's exactly what Barry was doing, but I suspect a good deal of his argument was driven by his relationship with Victor MacFarlane, which is irrelevant now.

The best thing to happen would be for DC United to not ask for a single public dollar for stadium or infrastructure. Without that happening, this looks like a naked money grab.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | January 21, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

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