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United Acquires Perkins

D.C. United tonight re-acquired goalkeeper Troy Perkins in a trade that sent Brazilian midfielder Fred, the club's first-round choice (seventh overall) in Thursday's draft and allocation money to the expansion Philadelphia Union.

Union had the first crack at Perkins through the MLS allocation process. In order to move up and claim the U.S. national team goalie, United had to make the deal.

Perkins, who played for United for four years and was MLS's goalkeeper of the year in 2006, spent the past two seasons with Norwegian club Valerenga.

"D.C. United is where things began and where I belong," Perkins said.

More later.....

By Steve Goff  |  January 13, 2010; 8:09 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , MLS  
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whoa.

Posted by: akdeac31 | January 13, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

HA! DCU's gain, and Philly's loss. AWESOME!

Posted by: Juan-John | January 13, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope the front office is about to make a move for some foreign attacking weapons. Welcome back Troy.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | January 13, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

If DC uses their available cap space wisely it could be a good move for both clubs. If not depending on how much allocation money Philadelphia got, they basically could get 3 starters for a player they don't need. At this point I go plus to Phili on the deal.

Posted by: csd1 | January 13, 2010 10:01 PM | Report abuse

wtf?! wtf?! WTF?!?!?

Our starting center midfielder,Fred + Our only 1st round Pick + AND allocation money?!?!?

Oh man thats a lopsided deal. I was happy when I read the headline but at this price? No way! We better have some MAJOR player acquisitions because in addition to a center back and two strikers of 1st 11 quality, we now need to figure out who is our playmaker.

Color me worried about 2010.

Posted by: FAkeemail9875 | January 13, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow, just when you think things could not get any worse...

Posted by: alan19 | January 13, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yikes! I don't mind losing Fred at all, but the first round choice as well?
We had better have someone else coming in to play in the midfield though.

Posted by: jake77 | January 13, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

My first thought was I'll have to burn my Fred jersey, but then I remembered I have a Perkins jersey stored away. It is curious that DC continues to stress the attacking mentality, but who is going to produce up front?

Posted by: barchetta1 | January 13, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Our midfield is now bare. Love Troy but d$#@. Did we have to give up all that?? Nowak isn't playing around. Great move for them....Jury still out on us.

Posted by: sire1 | January 13, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Lets let the season start before we get all crazy. I will put full faith on the new coach its his job to loose. That said sad to see Fred go, to bad Nowak is not an idiot that we could sucker into taking burch.

Posted by: Ivanovich84 | January 13, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Hope the Front Office doesn't get CAUGHT WITH THEIR PANTS ON THE GROUND.

whats even more funny,

A bus load of fans are now going to Philly to see a third round selection.

I say if your on that Bus, don't show up as a protest!

F-it!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Giving up fred wasnt too bad, but losing the draft pick and not to mention rumors of him costing 200+k yearly salary wise...

I think we might have made a mistake.


Goff, do you know if we were ever even trying to go after cronin Maybe for another year long loan?

And is there any truth to his salary?

Posted by: BolivianDCFan | January 13, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

SO glad to have Perkins back. In this league a top notch goalie can really help any team become a champion-look at rimando with Salt Lake. It's such an important position and we needed to fill it. Fred did not have a good season at all last year. Might have personal issues but still did not play well. We had two draft picks in the 1st round last year-but losing the draft this year hurts. But then again this draft class is not as deep as last year. All together we lose a draft pick, a 30 year old under-performing midfielder, and money. In return we get the "arguable" best goalie in MLS. Gotta be honest I like it!

Posted by: abrown1662 | January 13, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

It makes sense (at least in the short term) if the brain staff has some choice signings in the works with some of that mad-Emilio money. We have a keeper now and the beer man won't be so scared. (Mark my words - Fred has a 15 goal season).

Posted by: tcbannon | January 13, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Why couldn't we have gotten their 17th round pick? I mean, come on.

Happy as hell to see Perkins home. Absolutely demoralized about the draft this year. I mean, that 7th pick was going to get Something good.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 13, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

How come nobody remembers that DC just signed Cristian Castillo, the Salvadoran national team midfielder?

Posted by: djohnson | January 13, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

AJC actually has an article on the draft:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-will-be-represented-274433.html

Posted by: Reignking | January 13, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

For those carping about getting somebody "good", we just picked up a goalie who (1) wants to be in DC; (2) is in the running for the national team; and (3) has 10-12 years ahead of him career-wise and (4) is better now than any of the available draft picks. Come on folks, be real, Fred, the 7th pick and $$--that had to be a very easy decision.

Posted by: jnel | January 13, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I like Perkins, but I think we gave up too much. Couldn't we have gotten Cronin without having to give away Fred and a draft pick?

I thought things had changed when we actually got something out of the draft last year, but I guess we are back to normal.

Posted by: rickinashburn | January 13, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Perkins, Goalkeeper of the Year in 2006...

Perkins got trashed by Mexico in 2009...by 5..

so Im hopeful he will prove me wrong and retain that banner of 2006 in 2010...

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Well, we already knew Nowak is a tougher cookie, so I guess we can't be too surprised. Nowak just knew how much we wanted him, and he is competing with Hahnemann for that 3rd spot (even if nobody would say he's winning, he's ahead of the rest).

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 13, 2010 10:29 PM | Report abuse

not real thrilled about giving up a high pick plus money. But ditching Fred is good as far as I am concerned. Every team needs a reliable GK, and now we have one. I agree though that the attack appears toothless at the moment. But there is some time yet before training camp for more signings.

Posted by: fedssocr | January 13, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Let me add...Fred was not in DC's plans next year. Onalfo did not want somebody on his squad that would lose the ball every second touch.

Posted by: jnel | January 13, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a very good or at least a positive move for DCU. Too many naysayers on this blog.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 13, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse


I am so happy! Welcome back, Troy!

Posted by: peter_nd | January 13, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

If you think the 5 goals against Perkins had anything to do with him I don't think you watched the game it should have been 7 or 8

Posted by: mattgs84 | January 13, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Not that it matters but I'm actually OK with this. We get one of the USMNT's top goalies (proven) for an expensive, underachieving midfielder, an unknown draft dream, and some money. I thought Fred already made $200K so if Troy does now, that is a wash. Draft choices are a complete crap shoot and DCU obviously feels they have enough cap space to not need the allocation cash. I guess my big question is for how long does DCU keep Troy before Europe calls again? How big is the family issue that brought him back; will it keep him here? If so, DCU has a good to excellent goalie for the next 10 years since Troy isn't 30 years old yet. He's already been goalie of the year and won the most games in the league the following year. I just don't see a serious comparison between what Philly gets for what DCU got. Still have a long preseason for DCU to come up with other player options.

Posted by: rtm1 | January 13, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

first time in 15 years we will be purchasing tickets on game day. flame me, but I can no longer support these decisions with season tickets. I am really upset be these moves

Posted by: beergorila | January 13, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

If you think the 5 goals against Perkins had anything to do with him I don't think you watched the game it should have been 7 or 8

Posted by: mattgs84 | January 13, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse
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haha! that comment did not help...

dont get me wrong Im happy that Perkins is back!
Im just not to convinced at the moment.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

I flame you, beergorila.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 13, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I'm just gonna echo what everyone else has said:

I'm ecstatic that Troy is back, but we could have used that draft pick to get a good forward. Now we'll have to look to sign someone, which is more difficult. Hopefully the FO has someone in mind.

I wish that PU had at least given us a 2nd round pick or something. We already have a reason to hate them, I guess. The rivalry's off to a good start.

Posted by: kdiff813 | January 13, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

rtm1 re : guess my big question is for how long does DCU keep Troy before Europe calls again? How big is the family issue that brought him back; will it keep him here?

I think the family issue was HUGE here. He and is wife are starting a family and want to be in the States. Bare minimum 3-5 years before another move. Personally, short of a top tier team in England or Spain with huge $$, I think Troy is in MLS for a good long time.

Posted by: jnel | January 13, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I also flame you, beergorila. I would LOVE to have your season tickets; unfortunately, I don't live in the area anymore. Don't take it for granted.

Posted by: kdiff813 | January 13, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

For the first time I'm glad we protected Fred. This way we get something. Maybe the front office had intel that Nowak wanted him.

I hear the gripes about giving up too much, but seriously, if Fred was our starting AM, we were screwed anyway. Won't surprise me if Nowak makes him a player again, but nothing makes me think that was happening in DC.

What I don't understand are the complaints about Perkins making too much. I don't know Fred's 2010 salary, but last year he made $257K. So you can say Perkins is overpaid, but Fred was far more so.

Posted by: benonthehill | January 13, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

whats even more funny,

A bus load of fans are now going to Philly to see a third round selection.


Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:13 PM
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Actually, our third round pick went to LA as compensation for Wicks. Doh!

Posted by: jason1551 | January 13, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm just gonna echo what everyone else has said:

I'm ecstatic that Troy is back, but we could have used that draft pick to get a good forward. Now we'll have to look to sign someone, which is more difficult. Hopefully the FO has someone in mind.

I wish that PU had at least given us a 2nd round pick or something. We already have a reason to hate them, I guess. The rivalry's off to a good start.

Posted by: kdiff813 | January 13, 2010 10:43 PM
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There aren't going to be any "good" forwards at #7, only projects.

Posted by: jason1551 | January 13, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

WELCOME BACK TROY.

While at first I was shocked at how much DCU gave up (the money is one thing, but the first round pick is another), it does make some sense. Consider that United has two of the youngest and most promising talents in MLS in Pontius and Wallace, and that Fred's salary would have (very likely) chewed up much more than any allocation money United sent to Union, all in all I think it's reasonable. In and of itself it may seem absurd, but for the team and the organization it makes sense.

And @barchetta1 ("My first thought was I'll have to burn my Fred jersey") -- I second the motion.

Posted by: asnoel | January 13, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

guess you can't please everybody...

It does seem that people don't realize we have Castillo. Also seems to me that United has been very slick retaining Fred because they knew darn well he was excellent trade bait. I'm guessing this deal has been in the works longer than anyone could imagine. Or something like this.

I think we got very lucky in last years draft, and wouldn't be surprised if other trades were made to move back up into the first round before all is said and done tomorrow.

I liked Fred and dread him coming back and dribbling right into the box and finally putting in some goals, but I do think Troy is about as good as you're going to get in the head on straight department. Which Wicks was far from.
It's a tall price to pay, but this doesn't surprise me at all, and so far I'm pleased with the moves United appears to be making at the moment.

Good for Philly to. At least fans of Fred won't have to look far to see what he's up to. He'll surely premier in many an ESPN match this season if he stays healthy.

Vamos United!

Posted by: DadRyan | January 13, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

whats even more funny,

A bus load of fans are now going to Philly to see a third round selection.


Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:13 PM
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Actually, our third round pick went to LA as compensation for Wicks. Doh!

Posted by: jason1551 | January 13, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

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Ouch!!!!!!!!!!


haha!

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Sad to see Fred go, yes, but I'm even more happy to see Troy come back home. This is where he belongs.

Remember, we're pretty stacked in midfield. What we lack, now, is a reliable forward. Draft picks that start are very rare in any league, unless they are extremely high calibur. We got lucky with Pontius and Wallace.

Posted by: dogboy | January 13, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

What can we get for Wicks?

Posted by: redskinsux | January 13, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Good lord folks--get a grip. Think this thing through. Of course we have to use allocation money. Philly has to give up their spot and spend an allocation to get Perkins. If they don't--if they just pass, then Dallas can take him (you think they wouldn't since they have Sala in goal?) or maybe even NYRB? So the allocation money is basically giving Philly what they spent on acquiring Perkins. We also move up in the pecking order by 1. So basically it's Fred and the 7th pick for Perkins.

1. DCU has had GK problems ever since Perkins left. It, more than any other issue, has been our downfall. Now, we may just have the best GK in MLS. Maybe. That's a tremendous upside.

2. I really doubt that Fred was the answer at A-mid. Maybe he might have been. But Gomez has a better chance of being the answer rather than Fred I think.

3. As for the first round pick, let's see...Arguez...Van Sicklen....Moose....yeah, get me some more of that! This draft has 4 studs. Unless we traded up, we weren't going to get one of them. The guy that supposedly DCU staff was spending a lot of time focusing on was the U-17 player McInerny (who is supposed to be very, very, very good--in about 3-4 years). We got spoiled by Pontius and Wallace last year. A more typical MLS rookie draft gone well is a Barklage--a rookie with promise who gives you some good minutes and looks like he might be a serviceable pro in a year or two. I would have been shocked if with the 7th pick in the first round we'd have acquired a starter. After the first 4, the guys who are starting caliber in MLS are people like Stahl (so unless we dump Simms or go back to a 3-5-2, isn't going to start anyway).

4. We weren't going to get Cronin. His girlfriend works on the west coast and he wants to be near her. He just signed a 2 year deal with Portland which gets him into MLS with that club. All things being equal, I'd have gone for Cronin (really good, really cheap, really young) but we couldn't get him. So instead we got the best GK in MLS and a guy who wants to be in DC.

5. We moved up in the allocation order by 1 (since Philly used the allocation to get Perkins).

6. The only negative I see from this are: Perkins might be gone for the WC

Posted by: JoeW1 | January 13, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Wicks, best wishes dude. Loved the effort. There was never a dull moment. Get healthy soon, enjoy the beautiful game, and don't let it get inside your head.

Hope you have great success everywhere but RFK.

Posted by: benonthehill | January 13, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm down. I was excited about following the draft, but having Perkins back and helping organize the defense is big. I feel a lot better now about seeing Namoff (fingers crossed), Jakovic, James and Wallace in the back now, with Perkins behind them and Simms at D-Mid. That's a solid lineup.

He's in the national team pool, he's young, he'll be here for years.

Welcome back, Troy.

Posted by: eadc | January 13, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Please Kevin Payne, remember that DC plays an attractive, attack oriented style of futbol. Some big moves have to be made to bring in a quality playmaker ASAP

Posted by: Springfie1d | January 13, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back Troy!

People have to remember that first round picks often don't pan out (even top 10 players). Last year was an exception for DC United with both Pontius and Wallace.

Going back to say the 2007 draft, anyone miss Wells Thompson (5), Nico Coaluca (6), John Cunliffe (7), Jerson Monteiro (8), Anthony Wallace (9), Andrew Boyens (10), or Bryan Arguez (11)?

2008 in many ways was even worse (Chance Myers at #1). I'm not saying that first-round draft picks are worthless but they don't mean very much compared with the NFL where you are getting (or at least should be) a solid player to build your franchise around

Posted by: diego_r | January 13, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

I also flame you, beergorila. I would LOVE to have your season tickets; unfortunately, I don't live in the area anymore. Don't take it for granted.

Posted by: kdiff813 | January 13, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse
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don't flame me because you're no longer local, flame me because you think this is the most shrewd move by DC United to date. I stand by the feeling that we gave up too much for this. I hope you all prove me dead wrong, and I weep for my 300 level seats when RFK sells the lower bowl out. meantime I will be sitting amongst you in my not-assigned 300 level seats 65% of the time this season

Posted by: beergorila | January 13, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

picking up a starting gk for the 1st rounder and Fred is a good deal - how much allocation money is the key thing.

There is no forward in this draft that is a starter at #7.

Posted by: J_S_F | January 13, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

benonthehill:

Thanks for keeping me in perspective. SO happy Wicks is going to be forced into Open Cup duty. And Kocic goes bye bye.

That being said, we need a ten goal forward, and don't say we already have one. We're looking at least 10 from Castillo and Quaranta combined, hopefully 8 from Pontius, a few penalties and chips from Moreno, and a whole lot of random. To be a winning team, we still need another player capable of stepping in as a starter on that front line.

If we rely totally on Pontius to score our goals (bearing in mind his finishing percentage last season) it won't matter how many Perkins keeps out. No doubt the front office is looking, but I'm not sure we'll find forward with reliable production.

Oh, and JoeW1, count me as one who would love to have Arguez back. He showed as well as anyone at the u-20's, and he's still looking for a club. Attitude, but he's young yet.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 13, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Perkins is likely to be better than Warren, Wells, Carvalho, Wicks, Crayton, Cronin, Kocic, Hamid, and Nolly have been for United. Hell he might even be better than himself. DC has given up a lot of picks, money and players to get a lot of bad goalkeepers in the past. To give up all three seems like they are shooting for new heights.

The only decent recent move with goalies DC has made was to have Perkins as 3rd goalie while working at Sports Authority. I guess getting Rimando because Miami folded was nice too, but that was more Hudson than the front office I'd guess, plus they then dealt him too cheap.

Posted by: Dancy1 | January 13, 2010 11:14 PM | Report abuse

I appreciate that Perkins is an upgrade. But losing Fred is tough. For those that continue to malign him, I can say unequivocally that he is one of the classiest people to ever don a United jersey. He gave what he could to the club and the shirt, he treated fans with respect and kindness, and he showed creative flair on the pitch that made an otherwise droll team seem like they could be something else.

I am embarrassed to see the shots taken at him, but it is a useful reminder that we, as United supporters, have gotten exactly what we have deserved over the last couple of years. When someone like Fred endures a horrific year and the reaction of fans is not to offer unqualified support but instead happily cheer his departure there is something truly rotten with the fanbase.

Posted by: CPAddick | January 13, 2010 11:18 PM | Report abuse

when RFK sells the lower bowl out. meantime I will be sitting amongst you in my not-assigned 300 level seats 65% of the time this season

Posted by: beergorila | January 13, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse
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Who does?

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 13, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

I am happy Troy is back, but i'm worried we paid too much for him especially when you take his salary into account (I can't imagine any GK outside of Brad will be paid more than him).

I like Fred and will be sorry to see him go. He had a horrible year last year, but he never seemed to stop trying (unlike another Brazilian). His work ethic if nothing else will be missed.

Hopefully this is the death knell for Wicks and the door hits him in the ass on the way out.

Posted by: iamgnat | January 13, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Fred of 2007 is not Fred of 2009.

It's a gamble on Philly's part, really. We get a known commodity. A quality keeper that will help solidify the position.

I wish it was a later round pick, not a first, but all things considered, I'll take the trade.

Oh, and GOODBYE WHACKED Wicks!

Posted by: delantero | January 13, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"6. The only negative I see from this are: Perkins might be gone for the WC"--JoeW1

I thought MLS was not playing games during the WC. Therefore, if Perkins gets called up I can only see it as a positive.

"but instead happily cheer his departure there is something truly rotten with the fanbase."--CPaddick

Ouch. There was a couple problems with the Fred situation.
1. Fred began to start slipping on the field. His touches, passes, vision, finishing all began to slip quick.
2. Tom Soehn continued to start him on even after such disastrous performances.

I'm sorry if we're all celebrating because we've acquired a top GK to resolve our much needed GK issue, as well as reconcile the differences between what the fans think of Fred's playing ability and the past and even present coaches love for him.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 13, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

We now have one of the top 2-3 keepers in MLS, Castillo is signed, and $$$/cap space for more signings.

Wait and see, Chicken Little.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | January 13, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Fred Gone, Emilio Gone, Soehn Gone. Good riddance!

This season is looking up, Up UP!!

Look for a breakout year from Pontius and Quaranta.

Posted by: BarraPuta | January 14, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

So now we have ONE PICK in the draft - 4th round, #55 - this is going to be "interesting."

Posted by: soccerman | January 14, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

why is everyone saying bye to Wicks? Are you guys really that certain he's out?

Posted by: DadRyan | January 14, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

@DadRyan: Wicks is going, gone. We'll probably get poop for him but that's fine. He's no good for team chemistry (remember how he showed his fangs at Burch and scared the beejesus out of him?). We'll get a short-term loan for him if we end up playing Madrid again, though.

Posted by: BarraPuta | January 14, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

i don't understand the disappointment over fred's departure. he made a ton of money while he was here, but had a positive impact on only a handful of matches. usually he created very little, consistently gave up the ball going forward, and was a defensive liability. perkins, on the other hand (with the possible exception of mishandling one or two balls should he ever get back to guadelajara), should have a positive impact on every match. fred might be a great guy, but matches are decided on the pitch.

Posted by: unitedinsf | January 14, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

dadryan,

I could be wrong but I see Kocic and Hamid as most likely to stay. Not sure what Kocic or Wicks make this year. Seems like more upside to Kocic talentwise. Could just depend on whether anyone likes one or the other as trade bait. I guess if you want to develop a young guy over the next couple years, Kocic might be more attractive.

It's just hard for me to imagine keeping a guy with current injuries and mental implosions around as a backup.

Posted by: benonthehill | January 14, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

JoeW makes some decent arguments, but we still got our pocket picked. I like Perkins, but he's not worth a starting player and the #7 pick. This is a very deep draft. We'll regret not getting whomever Philly snags with that pick. Makes me wonder if the team isn't planning to pick up some other team's pick with another trade...I would trade next year's pick for anything in the first round this year. Just don't see a lot of talent in next year's draft.

Without Fred, and with the gaping holes in the roster that we've discussed the past week -- and no prospect of filling any of those needs in the draft -- the front office better have some quality players lined up. Either that, or hope the next draft is 3 or players deep (there will be 2 expansion clubs, and possibly a third). With the current roster the lack of quality among the XI and the total lack of any quality backups -- I think we're headed for a last-place finish.

Posted by: fischy | January 14, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

JoeW makes some decent arguments, but we still got our pocket picked. I like Perkins, but he's not worth a starting player and the #7 pick. This is a very deep draft. We'll regret not getting whomever Philly snags with that pick. Makes me wonder if the team isn't planning to pick up some other team's pick with another trade...I would trade next year's pick for anything in the first round this year. Just don't see a lot of talent in next year's draft.

Without Fred, and with the gaping holes in the roster that we've discussed the past week -- and no prospect of filling any of those needs in the draft -- the front office better have some quality players lined up. Either that, or hope the next draft is 3 or players deep (there will be 2 expansion clubs, and possibly a third). With the current roster -- the lack of quality among the XI and the total lack of any quality backups -- I think we're headed for a last-place finish.

Posted by: fischy | January 14, 2010 12:48 AM | Report abuse

If any team inquires about Kocic, and offers a pick in the first 3 rounds, make the deal.

Posted by: fischy | January 14, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

hey fischy, is that you in the deep end of the pool?

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 12:59 AM | Report abuse

An early prediction: starting XI:

-------Perkins---------

--Namoff-Jakovic-James--

----Simms---Wallace----

-Quaranta-Castillo-Szetela-

---Pontius---Khumalo---

Good Sub Options:
-Moreno, F
-Gomez, M (Assuming he stays)
-Barklage, M
-McTavish, D/M
-Burch, D

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Of course, positions are interchangeable (for example, Castillo & Szetela)

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:21 AM | Report abuse

desperately treading water.....

I don't want to sound too much of a downer. Having Perkins back is a major upgrade, but his little European adventure cost United: 2 wasted years for United, anyway -- several draft picks trying to fill his slot, and Bobby Boswell. What's done is done, though -- and I'm happy to have him back.

However, United has a very thin roster -- either too old or too inexperienced, or just not all that good. I hope the front office is planning big things with all that cap room they have now (no Olsen, no Emilio, no Fred, no Gomez, and Moreno at reduced salary, etc...)

Posted by: fischy | January 14, 2010 1:28 AM | Report abuse

benonthehill:

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. People bringing up salary are missing a big point: Fred made $275K to sit the bench for us, or be a likely-to-fail experiment at playmaker. Perkins is making somewhere above $200K to start an give us a top-tier MLS keeper.

Springfie1d:

You're right about needing a playmaker, but let's not forget that the best United attacks have always been the ones backed up by good defenders and reliable keeping. To attack with numbers, you have to have good, smart players staying home. Arena's United and Nowak's United were both good enough in the back to prevent teams from creating chances with 2 or 3 players on counters, and we all know how that went.

fischy:

I've got to disagree about the depth of this draft. I think it's being badly overhyped. Outside of the top 4 or 5 players, there aren't any "wow, we've got to get that guy!" players.

We still have big needs at forward, playmaker, and center back, but there's no one in this draft that would fix those problems (save possibly Opara, who would not have fallen to us at #7). Those needs have to be addressed in the transfer market. At #7, we were looking at picking up quality depth (Stahl? Sitting behind Simms. Loyd? Sitting behind Wallace/Simms. Weideman? On the bench), but nothing more. Of course we need that depth, but more than a legit starting keeper? I don't think so.

What I'd like to see us do is shop Kocic and Wicks around for a draft pick, since we still need that depth. That requires Onalfo making a decision on guys he's never coached, but a good pick in the 2nd or 3rd round will contribute more than either of them will as our backup GK. With Wicks being injured and possibly crazy, Kocic would probably be the more attractive target.

As for a last place finish, we're still in a division with NY, an expansion team, and a Wizards team under Vermes that was pretty poor down the stretch. Also, Chicago lost their 2 best creative players and Segares, Warzycha lost his mind down the stretch, and New England will probably lose Larentowicz (and did lose Heaps). We need some big moves, but it's not like we're surrounded by heavyweights.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | January 14, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

@ CPAddick

Classy comments about Fred, I agree completely. But don't get too downhearted about DCU fans, most are great people. The internet tends to brings out the worst in certain types of people, it's the anonymity and lack of repercussions: resulting in something like a permanent low-grade road rage, if you get my drift.

The guy was the mvp of the Aussie A-league in the #10 shirt but was never given an extended run at that position here. The difference between playing there and on the flanks is just as dramatic as defender vs striker, it's a totally different mindset and skill set.

Would he have flourished if given his natural position over Gallardo and Gomez 2.0? Who knows? But I do know that the way he went about playing out of position without complaining ever, not once, deserves a lot of respect. A lot of pro athletes would have pitched a public hissy fit over it.

Posted by: uranderson | January 14, 2010 1:30 AM | Report abuse

fischy,

I've just put up a tentative starting 11.

I would be willing to make a bet with you that refutes this line from you, "the lack of quality among the XI and the total lack of any quality backups -- I think we're headed for a last-place finish."

In fact, I'd be willing to bet that not only do we not finish dead last, but we also make the playoffs (for sure) AND win a trophy or come close. This is the confidence I have.

What do you say? Maybe a gentlemen's bet?

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:34 AM | Report abuse

I should be in bed, but found this here. Guess you could go get a new kit this morning if you felt like it:
http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1297028

Posted by: DadRyan | January 14, 2010 1:44 AM | Report abuse

"We still have big needs at forward, playmaker, and center back" --Chest_Rockwell

Forward: I tend to disagree. Pontius and Khumalo (with Moreno as sub) at forwards.

Playmaker: I don't really think you can bring in a "playmaker" per se...You bring some guys in and one or two step up as that guy--take Messi for example. In the beginning of his career at Barca, he wasn't given the role and title of playmaker, it happened naturally. I see three very good candidates of filling this void for us next year--Quaranta, Castillo and Szetela. Obviously it's not going to happen overnight but after the team starts playing together consistently (something totally lacking last year), players will start to emerge as leaders and playmakers.

Center back?? Really? Is Jakovic no good for you or am I missing a recent injury or trade?

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:46 AM | Report abuse

redskinsux, with any luck we won't be messin' with no stinkin' 3-5-2. Maybe that's what you missed. Jakovic was also vocal about not liking that formation, and he needs a consistent partner in the back.

Posted by: DadRyan | January 14, 2010 1:49 AM | Report abuse

Rescind: I do think we have some holes in terms of depth at forward, but is this current line up, 3 months before the season, not something to be optimistic about? I think we are making splendid progress.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:50 AM | Report abuse

@Dad--Jakovic was vocal about the 3-5-2 when Tom Soehn was the captain.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 14, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

dude, step away from the key board, drink a huge glass of water, hit the sack and we'll continue in the morning...;) And what ever you do, don't sign into your facebook account...:)

Posted by: DadRyan | January 14, 2010 1:54 AM | Report abuse

The new home kits are pretty awesome. Pretty much a perfect blend of the "thumbprint" shirts from 06 and the new VW shirts. I'll likely snag one.

Posted by: carmines757 | January 14, 2010 2:35 AM | Report abuse

With Perkins on the field, DC stands a better chance of making the playoffs than having Fred, #7 draft pick and $$ on the the field.

Playoffs here we come!!!!

Posted by: niknakdcu | January 14, 2010 3:44 AM | Report abuse

5. We moved up in the allocation order by 1 (since Philly used the allocation to get Perkins).

Posted by: JoeW1 | January 13, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

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ummmm...I was under the impression that we basically traded allocation spots and then WE picked up Perkins...so we are now down to the bottom of the list. Perhaps I'm wrong. Can someone eclarify what happened?

Perkins is a huge pick-up but I think we can't look at it that way. What's important is the return on the investment....not just the return. With what we paid to get Troy, I think we could have gotten TWO starters at other positions where we were a lot worse off than at GK.

Posted by: Atlanta4MLS | January 14, 2010 7:14 AM | Report abuse

Well, Goff can clarify on this...but my understanding is that if the team at the top of USNT allocation order doesn't pick (but passes) than the 2nd team (NYRB) gets a shot, and then the 3rd team (FCD) and so on. So this wasn't a case of Union just "passing."

And while we could have swapped allocation spots, Goff's trade description makes no mention of it. As I understand it, to take someone out of the USNT pool, you get a crack at the player based on order (which is why Union was first with other teams like FCD and NYRB in front of us) and you have use an allocation (which is what we had to do with Earnie Stewart even though he came on a free--though it meant that we could apply the allocation to his salary cap hit). So to me, the allocation dollars to Philly are likely a wash. They had to use an allocation to pick him for us (and then trade him to us). So it's basically Fred and the #7 pick for Perkins.

Posted by: JoeW1 | January 14, 2010 7:33 AM | Report abuse

Glad we got Troy back, I gotta think that with a relatively weak draft class and Fred coming off a really pathetic season, this wasn't too bad of a trade for us. I'll call it a draw as far as who got the better deal, depending on who PeeeU picks up with our #7 spot.

Posted by: beltwayrob | January 14, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

I think it's a good deal. The draft rarely works out for us and the pick wasn't a top pick anyhow. It's funny the same people who cried foul that Fred was staying are the same ones whining that he's gone now. Fred in the middle was an experiment at best anyway, so I don't him leaving as a huge loss. It's also likely that the front office has already been looking for a central attacking midfielder anyway. Fred leaving also leaves open another international spot, so it may play into their hands now. I wish Fred the best, but when given the choice between a midfielder who hasn't exactly set the world on fire and a top tier MLS keeper, I think the choice is obvious. The amount of the allocation money makes it hard to say who won here, but I call it a push at best. Good move for both teams, I think.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | January 14, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

We really blew it on this deal. I think that the draft pick was over the top unless we received a future Union pick or a 2nd rounder.

@CrippledKeeper
"The draft rarely works out for us and the pick wasn't a top pick anyhow."

We have drafted:
Wallace
Pope
Pontius

None of them were the top pick in the draft. The seventh pick last year was Pontius. We could have drafted someone like Okugo or even a forward.

Posted by: no_recess | January 14, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

@ JoeW1 - The press release on Behind the Badge says we traded places in the allocation draft, so technically we are now 16th on that list and Philly is now 6th (we had the 7th slot). That said I'd still mke the trade at the end of any long day, as Troy will be good for a couple key saves a season more than Wicks and the difference in how organized the defense will be is invaluable. I don't feel bad about having Julius James starting in central defense if Perkins is keeping him on track/can take care of anything that comes into the box.

With Wicks in goal not only would defense be considered a glaring deficiency, but we'd also be liable to play a couple to a few games a year down a man with a backup keeper in after Wicks gets red carded. The #7 draft pick would likely have ended up as an understudy somewhere on the field AND we wouldn't want a rooky (or Fred) giving away the ball in the final third to start counter attacks that would force Wicks to come out. That's a recipe for another very frustrating season.

Posted by: TassieTiger | January 14, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

@ no_recess - I believe three quality players in 14 years (~4 picks per year) counts as the draft rarely working out. Plus, Perkins wants to RAISE HIS CHILDREN here and his wife is likely to get a job in the area. He's not going back to europe anytime soon and he's almost definitely not leaving DC. Perkins could be our starting 'keeper for 10 years to come, so we basically just picked up the best goalie in the league who will play full-time for longer than what most of these rookies' ENTIRE CAREERS will be.

Posted by: TassieTiger | January 14, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Expensive but not necessarily a fleecing of DC by the Union. A top level keeper is hard to find.

And the MLS Super Draft is a crapshoot beyond the first couple picks anyway. DC got lucky last year with Pontius and Wallace.

Posted by: tundey | January 14, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I'm ok with this. When Fred was good, he was real good but he is inconsistant. It's a rebuild year and rebuild we are.

With the new coach we have Castillo and Perkins and we lost Olsen, Emillio, Fred and Gomez(?).

Lets see what else we have up our sleeves.

VAMOS UNITED!!!!

Posted by: 9Nine9 | January 14, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Dumbass move FO! Perkins is an above average gk at best, and you already got loads of potential in Kocic. Additionally, you got Hamid in the wings. Should of only given up Fred + allocation $, but you gave up the 1st round pick too?!? Speechless.

Posted by: Charisma_Man | January 14, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Your 'average' GK is battling for a spot on the national team, FFS.

Posted by: JkR- | January 14, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I disagree with the FO's decision. This was a move for a team that would be in a position to "win now", something DCU is not. Better to rebuild now through the draft and suck for a year or two than pray that Perkins can somehow magically save our weak defense. Not good long range planning by the FO, although that is not exactly uncommon for sports teams in this area...

Posted by: rademaar | January 14, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant move!! A standout keeper that wants to be here and can mentor 2 upstarts. Win, win, win. Fred was a class act but man was he an enigma, excellent one game gone the next. Though in the end the guy missed more sitters in front of an open goal then probably anyone in MLS over the last 3 seasons. Good luck Novak.

The season looks on the up and up. Strong core of youth and a ton of cash to pick up players where needed.

Now can anyone tell me how to change my damn post user ID?

I'm thinking Lot8Date..

DadRyan what ya think?

Posted by: SoehntheExit | January 14, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

wtf?! wtf?! WTF?!?!?

Our starting center midfielder,Fred + Our only 1st round Pick + AND allocation money?!?!?

Oh man thats a lopsided deal. I was happy when I read the headline but at this price? No way! We better have some MAJOR player acquisitions because in addition to a center back and two strikers of 1st 11 quality, we now need to figure out who is our playmaker.

Color me worried about 2010.

Posted by: FAkeemail9875

This was my exact initial reaction! Then i thought maybe its just a draft pick for perkins and we just resigned fred for this purpose. Then again, seems steep to give up 2 starters for 1 goalkeeper....for all you people who think this is a great deal, would you be ok with perkins for fred and rodney wallace or perkins for fred and pontius?

Posted by: Brian76 | January 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

@TassieTiger -- if you're right about Perkins' future with the team, then it will be worth more than what we gave Philly. I think things seem a bit flaky in the Perkins' household, right now. Seems like the missus didn't like Norway. Would she think differently about, say, a German, French, or English side? What if she tires of her husband's constant travel? Perkins wrote that he's leaving Norway for "several familial cases". Besides the awkward language which suggests it's been translated into Norwegian and back again, it makes me wonder if there are more temporary circumstances than the desire to raise children in the USA.

@redkinssux -- I'm happy to agree to a gentlemen's wager, but I want my meaning to be clear. I really hope -- and expect -- there will be major additions to the roster. My point is that the current roster is as thin and as full of holes as Philly's and maybe even NY's. If the FO doesn't bring in more talent, we're in for big trouble. If they do bring in some good players, then Chest is right -- we will be stronger...strong enough to make the playoffs.

I don't diminish Perkins' importance. For all his imperfections, I think we would have made the playoffs in each of the last 2 years with Perkins in goal, and also maybe Boswell still in the defense. We don't have Boz any more, but we do have the best goalie to ever man DCU's goal. That will make a big difference. I also hope he's learned some things about decision-making and will be a better goalie than ever.

Posted by: fischy | January 14, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

This is an incredibly lopsided trade that shows desperation on several levels: The need for a quality GK is clear. Obviously, the Craydon/Wicks/short guy from Peru experiments from the Soehn Era, now taking its rightful place along side other dark eras like the Rongen and Hudson eras, are almost repudiated. Soehn lost confidence in Perkins towards the end of 2007 and got Kasper to agree to banish him. He would have been offed somehow else had he not landed the deal in Europe. So now Kasper, in an act of revisionism that Sarah Palin would be proud of, says he's wanted him back all along.

Posted by: lgm6986 | January 14, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

^^^^^^^^^

The above post is nonsense.

Posted by: JkR- | January 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy with this. Troy is Great, and our other goalies were questionable. I really like Fred,and will be sad to see him go, but I think people on this blog are overestimating the value of the draft pick we had to give up.

Posted by: WorldCup | January 14, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Perkins is a huge pick-up but I think we can't look at it that way. What's important is the return on the investment....not just the return. With what we paid to get Troy, I think we could have gotten TWO starters at other positions where we were a lot worse off than at GK.


Posted by: Atlanta4MLS | January 14, 2010 7:14 AM
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Just curious? What position were we worse off in? We were desperate at goalie!
I truly don't think we could sign two starters for 100K each. I liked Fred, but he wasnt producing, I was looking forward to seeing what he did as an AM. (hopefully on April 10th we'll see that we made the right move.)

Posted by: boda-united | January 14, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

It's true, we needed a goalie, and Perkins is a great choice, but at what cost?? i think we may have gotten a little shafted on this one...

Posted by: DCUAlex | January 14, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

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