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USA-Honduras Rewind

International Friendly at Home Depot Center in Carson, Calif.
HONDURAS 3 (Pavon 19th, Palacios 37th, Espinoza 53rd)
USA 1 (Goodson 70th)
Attendance: 18,626.
Red Card: Conrad (USA) 17th minute.

For some perspective, keep in mind that, of tonight's starters, only Benny Feilhaber is a serious candidate to start in the World Cup.

That said.....

What a disappointment.

Jimmy Conrad looked slow and old before making a premature march back through the Home Depot Center tunnel with two yellow cards. Chad Marshall made a mess of the second goal and the central midfield tandem of Feilhaber and Kyle Beckerman didn't distinguish itself. The Americans didn't play as if they had been training together for almost three weeks: no inspiration, no imagination, no ingenuity.

The Americans have now presented Honduras with two gifts: passage to the World Cup in October and Saturday's weak resistence.

The match turned so early with Conrad's ejection, it undermined the American approach and left Robbie Findley as the lone forward. Nonetheless, this exhibition reinforced -- actually, hit home with a sledgehammer -- the fact that the gulf between the USA's top-flight players and secondary options is enormous.

Poor Troy Perkins, who surely had flashbacks to his helpless role in the 5-0 debacle against Mexico in the Gold Cup final at Giants Stadium last summer.

Positives? Hmmm. Well, Clarence Goodson went up fearlessly to score on a header, set up nicely by Brad Davis's corner kick. Robbie Rogers hit the post from 30-plus yards and the Americans came to life, desperately, in the final 20 minutes.

For those who watched, your comments and ratings are welcome.

By Steve Goff  |  January 23, 2010; 10:52 PM ET
Categories:  U.S. men's national team  
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Comments

Casey: 0

Posted by: redskinsux | January 23, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I adhere to the 10=world-class, 8=out-performed reasonable expectations, 5=what you should expect from that player, 2=way more mistakes than positive contributions, 0=punched someone in the face before giving up an own goal...

Perkins (5) Wynne (3) Conrad (1) Marshall (3) Bornstein (6) Kljestan (4) Beckerman (4) Feilhaber (4) Rogers (5) Cunningham (5) Findley (5)
Subs: Goodson (5) McCarty (6) Bedoya (6) Casey (1) Davis (6) and Pearce not rated 'cause I really didn't notice him enough on the field

Posted by: sec133row5 | January 23, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely pathetic. Bob Bradley deserves the lion share of the blame for choosing these players! What have they been doing in camp--toasting marshmallows or running? Heaven forbid we suffer anymore injuries!

Posted by: dcarmy | January 23, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

Casey was more effective than either Findley or Cunningham, period. That is not saying a hell of a lot. We are screwed. Findley was the real disappointment of the bunch, as he once again proved that he does not have the skill or touch to carry the ball FORWARD when impeded. He seems to be only useful when standing in a gap between defenders and given a through ball.

Davis, Bornstein, Feilhaber, Goodson and Bedoya all played well. I honestly can't bring myself to speak of anyone who started in the back besides Bornstein. I just don't see the supposed discipline that is supposed to be the Bradley trade mark. What a hot mess.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 23, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

If Brian Namoff were healthy he would have been a better right back than Wynne. Wynne has speed, and nothing more.

Posted by: b18bolo | January 23, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, I must say, this was NOT the USA playing Honduras. This was a group of subordinate, MLS players (and friends) garnished in U.S. jerseys running around the pitch like chickens with their heads cut off. Goodsen had a nice header, I'll give them that, and that game could have easily been in USA's favor (which would have been sad). Honduras should have won this game, and they did, but in ugly style:

USA player ratings (10 = best, 1 = worst)

Starters

Perkins - (5.5) Wynne - (2.2) Conrad - (0.4) Marshall - (2.7) Bornstein - (6.8) Kljestan - (6.0) Beckerman - (3.6) Feilhaber - (6.5) Rogers - (6.3) Cunningham - (5.3) Findley (3.1).

Reserves

Bedoya - (6.9) Casey - (7.2) Goodson - (8.3) McCarty - (0.8) Davis (5.4) Pearce (4.2)

Posted by: TylerWalter | January 23, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Also, I don't think Fielhaber will be starting for the US. None of these players playing tonight I can see even being selected to even be on the team period. Not even the bench players.

Posted by: TylerWalter | January 23, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

The only issue I saw with Perkins was his timing. He would dive but it didn't look as though he timed his dives to even touch the ball.
But he did a good job overall sucks he has a bad defense.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 23, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

you don't watch much US soccer then. bornstein might start. feilhaber will be on the bench. either casey or findley will be on the team. one of the CBs will be on the team. one of the wingers will be on the team. minimum.

Posted by: ewww | January 23, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

As unhappy as I am with this performance, I think a few players tonight deserve a second look. I think Bornstein did very well. Beckerman and Fielhaber did OK. Sasha wasn't bad either. Not Cunningham's night, but he'll get more looks. Same for Connor Casey.

Overall, not a lot of positives. The ref should have let Conrad's "indescretion" go. It is a friendly; more of chance for ooaches to see players play and ejecting one of them didn't help

Posted by: BigBubba1 | January 23, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Couldn't watch much of the second half.

Our defense was rickety as hell, aside from decent Bornstein play.

Midfield was ugly. Beckerman met expectations (none), Kljestan was silent, Rogers stunk and Feilhaber played WAY below his normal level.

Nothing happened up front. Somebody mail Charlie Davies some placenta to rub on his injuries to heal in time for June. Has anyone risen to such irreplacable levels so quickly before?

Posted by: daandre3 | January 23, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I know MLS is taking a break for the World Cup, but personally I'd be plenty happy with "poor" Troy Perkins keeping @$$ in DC throughout the spring and summer. There just isn't any point...
The Nat's looked like poop tonight.
I just love how every time I bring out my minimally interested neighbor the US craps the bed. Thank god the stupid beer at the crappy bar was so expensive....
Go USA!

Posted by: DadRyan | January 24, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Makes one wonder when the guys who played in tonight's game began playing soccer in the first place. The Salvadorans looked like they had been born with a ball at their feet.

NONE of the U.S. players looked like that.

Posted by: Juan-John | January 24, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

@juan-john...they didnt even play el salvador tonight

post fail

Posted by: rhbancroft | January 24, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

The comments really ought to focus on two separate issues:1.how well did our players perform by their standards? and 2. can they play well enough to be competitive at the WC'10?
From those perspectives,only Perkins, Bornstein, Goodson and maybe Rogers and Davis reached their usual standards, yet none--that means ZERO--can compete at the WC if they play as they did tonight.( I exclude Bedroya(?) as he seems to be a project and did ok.) Feilhaber, Beckerman and Kleijstan were HUGE disappointments and primarily responsible for the poor US showing. Without any real support our strikers were helpless, but they also failed to create space for themselves or their teammates. Given such a huge degree of disappointment we should ignore the referee's role--who actually called a good game IMO-- and the absence of our normal starters. Bob Bradley MUST take responsibility for such a poor showing. I am less concerned about losing 3-1 at home than about the way we played. Coach P.

Posted by: bechtoldpk | January 24, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

As a DC fan I really liked Perkins' distribution tonight...maybe we'll see a few less punts at RFK this year, and more balls goign to the feet of United's players.

Posted by: teo_68 | January 24, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

"The only issue I saw with Perkins was his timing. "

Add poor distribution to the list. At the international level, a keeper needs to be able to find the right teammate to get the attack going. A countering team especially needs a keeper to have this skill.

Perkins isn't good enough for this level, sorry to say.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | January 24, 2010 12:28 AM | Report abuse

Teo: you have got to be kidding. His flaws won't be exploited in MLS, and won't weaken the attack, but the weak decisions and inaccuracy tonight demonstrated his distribution issues.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | January 24, 2010 12:31 AM | Report abuse

Ref: O

He obviously didn't get the memo about it being a friendly scrimmage . .

how do you throw Conrad out for a weak, professional "touch" and then not give a yellow for Guevara's foul on Feilhaber?

It changed the entire game and ruined a chance for coaches/fans to really evaluate players.

Posted by: delantero | January 24, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

Not really following the people making the point that this was not the full US squad...great...It wasn't the full Honduran squad either. No matter how you look at it, it was pathetic, and shows that we literally have ZERO depth. Pray for the injury bug to stop, or it's going to be another quick and hopeless showing at the World Cup.

Posted by: nike12 | January 24, 2010 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I still don't understand why Altidore and Torres weren't brought in to play. These guys need more experience in International games, what's the harm taking throwing them out there for 60 minutes to see if they can galvanize an inferior, green team.

Conor Casey doesn't deserve a spot on the WC squad. Watching him live against Costa Rica at RFK, he has no confidence holding the ball/shielding, and has zero patience when distributing.

Why in God's name is Adu not part of this, either? He needs to quit being moved around, put wide and given the chance to push forward in space. He's misused and for 20 years old has been given up on too quickly. He is still the most talent US player they need to let him play through mistakes, and this game would have been a perfect time to.

Posted by: mjsciann1 | January 24, 2010 3:16 AM | Report abuse

@mjsciann1, re: Adu

There are plenty of politics and a bureaucracy to deal with even on the USMNT in today's day and age.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 24, 2010 3:34 AM | Report abuse

USMNT? Gotta spell out that acronym. But my point is if you won't play him in games of consequence why not give him 90 minutes where he has no reason to defer to more accomplished players and see what he does well and how he fits in to your future?

Because when Donovan is gone 8 years from now, and Dempsey premenantly moves up top, Adu is a great passer who needs to be more decisive and not be afraid to pressure a defense with hsi dribble. Bradley is perfect straddling both halves I would not move him from his place, so who steps up? Adu is able but he needs a vote of confidence.

Posted by: mjsciann1 | January 24, 2010 3:50 AM | Report abuse

Clearly you haven't been around very long.... USMNT is a very common acronym. As for the comments on Adu, what he needs is to get on the field for his CLUB. A couple games a year with the nats will not erase the fact that he's been sitting on the bench for a few years now. His confidence needs to come from playing day in, day out.

Either way, this was not an international fixture date. All of the players in this game are on break. Why bring in Adu if he JUST signed with a new club? Do you want him to miss more valuable gelling time just to play a few minutes against Honduras? Let the kid get used to his new surroundings and get comfortable with his teammates. A player's club situation is his daily life and will affect him a lot more than getting a cap would.

Posted by: TassieTiger | January 24, 2010 7:03 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't be a USMNT thread without the obligatory "Adu is the savior of U.S. soccer post." Jeebus.

My stomach could take only the first half. During that wasted time, I saw Cunningham jog around like it was warm-ups; Wynn look like he should have followed his father's trade; Klejstan continue his slide to obscurity and Beckerman show energy, but little purpose.

Oh, and Archundia is a wanker.

Posted by: griffin1108 | January 24, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

The reason you don't see Adu, Altidore, etc. out there is because yesterday was not an official FIFA game day. Thus, we can ask for teams to release players, but they won't because they aren't obligated to do so. And, so, the team fielded last night consisted entirely of players that are not in a league actively playing games right now.

Posted by: BigBubba1 | January 24, 2010 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I missed the game last night, but I have to say it sounds disappointing. This was the chance for several young players to make a name for themselves and it doesn't seem like they took advantage of that.

Playing down a player is no excuse. Red cards happen (Italy 2006) and a team needs to play through it. Yes, you have to change your style, etc, but that doesn't mean you throw in the towel.

Truth be told, most of these guys played really well for their club teams and deserved a look at this level. Most can't handle it and its no surprise. Hopefully a couple of them will turn it around in the next 6 months and be ready to contribute come tournament time.

The last word: Don't give up hope, we're still a long way out from South Africa.

Posted by: SoccerVA | January 24, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

That was such a disgraceful performance last night. Between that performance and the Gold Cup final some of those guys should not be called back into camp until they clean up a great many things in their games. What an insulting, heartless, stoneless outing (for the most part).

Bornstein looked good and fast. He looks like he wants a spot on the field, forget the plane. I was impressed on how he read goal no. 2 - the one where Rodgers lazily walked over to Pando allowing him to pick where he wanted to put the ball all while solving a Soduku puzzle, yeah that goal. That FRACK'IN goal. Bornstein takes his spot and Pando has so much time that Bornstein gets to turn to Marshall and tell him where to be on the cross, and what did Marshall do? Whatever.

Davis looked good for his limited stint. I would also like to see more of Bedoya, nice skill and speed he also read the field well IMO. He might look much better with better players around him. Goodson crashed the box in typical fashion and scrapped a goal from what was a combination of a somewhat decent service from Davis and questionable goal keeping.

That's as positive as I can get about that disgusting performance. In summation, as was stated by most on here - we have an A squad and then...we have a, C- squad. The B and C squads are created when no less than 7 of the A squad are on the field to support that lousy bunch that was pretending to represent their country last night.

Posted by: Kosh2 | January 24, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Goodson went up elbow first against the keeper. How was that goal allowed to stand?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | January 24, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

wynne has speed and nothing more.
period.

he is god awful.

i can bash on the rest but i dont even feel like wasting my time.

horrible horrible performance

Posted by: castroviejo | January 24, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Marvell Wynne can't cross the ball to save his life, Feilhaber had a bad night, Conrad continued the proud American tradition of getting stupid cards and forcing us to play down a man, Kljestan was invisible for much of the night, Rogers gave the ball away several times even when under no pressure and our forwards were inept.

I can't believe this is true but Bornstein was by far the best player on the field, and I think he's generally garbage, he certainly doesn't belong on the field in SA.

I'm just glad we have players like Torres, Castillo, Beasley, Adu, and Edu who may be able to step up and play if someone in our first 11 doesn't recover in time for SA, because the guys on the field last night only proved how bad they are.

Posted by: ashark | January 24, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Wynne is even in camp let alone playing. He just reinforced what everyone has been saying since his last debacle - he has no place on the MNT. Same with Sacha, Conrad etc. You know that when Borenstein is a star on the field that things are pretty bleak.

Thanks god the Australian Open and the US
Figure Skating Championships were on to provide much more in the way of high level athletic competition last night. I was much happier not sitting through that entire 90 minutes of pain.

Posted by: Beckster1 | January 24, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I was disappointed that Cameron didn't make the bench. I was too busy to keep up with camp updates. Did he not have a good camp?

Posted by: SomeSoccerFan | January 24, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To mjsciann1:

The reason we didn't see Altidore and Torres, among others, is not just that, as bigbubba points out, it is not an official International date and we can;t demand that their teams release them, but also that the most important thing for them (esp Altidore) is to keep trying to win regular PT with their teams so that they are better able to help when the team needs them.

Posted by: DCUSince96 | January 24, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

I made my slamming comments at halftime in the other thread. Now I'll say a few positives. I tell my subs it's their choice how the game will change when they enter. improve the game and make a difference or just go in to take someone else's place.

Every sub last night was an improvement except Pearce - he seemed to fade into the turf. Goodsen was better than Conrad (not a sub, I know.) Davis was better than Rogers. Casey moving up top was better than Cunningham was in the first half (also not a direct sub) and I'm not a Casey fan by any means. Bedoya was better than either Feilhaber or Beckerman. I was disappointed that Sasha didn't make the impact he is capable of. Findley didn't get the service to show his talent, but didn't do anything with the chances he had.

In an earlier thread, Goff asked who had the most to gain from the game. I'd say they all wasted the opportunity. Nobody made Bob's job any easier for deciding who goes to the Netherlands with the first team, let alone who should be considered for the final roster in June.

Posted by: spata2 | January 24, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the tone here--no one last night made a case for themselves. Bornstein showed a lot of energy, but still doesn't thrill me. Feilharber and Klestjan were invisible. Marshall got caught ball watching on the second goal--terrible. Wynne--nuff said. Try out for a track meet.

We ain't deep, that's for sure. Even with little or no playing time for the USMNT, I'd take Castillo, Torres, and if his ankle ever heals, Jermaine Jones, over any of this crowd.

And special derision for Conrad. The first yellow was arguably ok trying to stop a breakaway (altho pretty deep in the Honduras half). The second was totally brainless--sure the attacker sold it, but Conrad gave him a pretty good tug around the neck, in full view of the ref. Dumb dumb dumb. Please, let's not see him ever again, and certainly not anywhere near South Africa.

Posted by: macheath | January 24, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

It pains me to say it - Bornstein looked better than all the other starters last night. I think he and Goodson are the only ones who made something of their opportunity. Maybe Rogers...

Posted by: soccerman | January 24, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Same ole Troy Perkins!...Deer caught in headlights...I was glad when Perkins left DC because I saw a shell shocked goalkeeper that seemed to be playing in slo-motion and made reactions that seemed a second too late. Nor could he properly organize a backline..I don't think he is good enough at the National level, and am hesitant to say that DC made a good move in bringing him back. I guess desperate times calls for desperate measures...After Gold Cup and last night, I now solidly have Hanneman ahead of Perkins.

Posted by: alan19 | January 24, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I really hope some of these guys will perform better when surrounded by our "first team"- because odds are more than a couple will see the field in June

Posted by: carmines757 | January 24, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

The US was dreadful, but it probably should be kept in mind that these are the B&C teamers...and most of them hadn't played in quite a while. That said, maybe we should have a new B and C team. Kljestan was bad (why did he ever cut the hair?). Marshall was pretty bad, and Rogers was not great at all, excluding the post hit (which still wasn't a goal). I really can't understand why Brad Davis isn't getting more time. He cleary does a much better job than Rogers at the club level AND he assisted on the goal. No one was spectacular, and probably no one could've been thanks to the nonexistent spirit of the rest of the team.

Posted by: Sunspot | January 24, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@ewww -- I do. I've watched every US qualifier, all the Confed cup games, all the Gold Cup games, and probably every US game since I can remember.

Fielhaber, Kljesten, Casey and Bornstien will probably have the best chance making the USMNT this WC, but a handful of those players that went to training camp, will most likely be on the USMNT team for the 2014 WC. But if any of these four make it, it's most likely that they will be on the bench. Fielhaber and Bornstien might have better chances following Gooch's injury, but I think he can recover in time for SA.

Casey probably has a improved chance with Davies most likely not being able to even play until next fall (if at all possible), but Id rather see Dempsey moving up front or Johnson or Cooper playing forward than Casey.

Posted by: TylerWalter | January 24, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

When Conrad got his first card, I thought that it would be wise to pull this aging slowster before he got a second. Last night's performance should be enough to get him dropped from the pool.

As Goff wrote, last night's debacle showed just how thin USA is when it doesn't field its first team. The future looks worse when you go beyond the second- and third-teamers. The youth ranks appear just as thin. Ten years ago, USA had players like Donovan, Beasley and Gooch. Can anyone name a U-17 player of this caliber? USA may have a good World Cup this year, but I fear for 2014 and 2018.

Posted by: runningcloud | January 24, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

@runningcloud
dont forget the US kinda does have a 2nd division & 3rd and so forth..
I think USSF needs to find a way to better merge or promote a better competition system (not saying pro/reg) but a better way for good players in the lower leagues to get exposure to get into at least some clubs in MLS. Which will broaden the talent pool but potential stars just fall through the cracks.
Sometimes if you think about it, the USSF has to particulary take some blame when it comes to development of players. There has to be some initiative to develop players not just using their schools but by exposing youth into smaller leagues where they can develop and take a shot ar college and pro life.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 24, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

at college*

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 24, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Wow, am I ever glad I missed the game!

Posted by: Senor_Funk | January 24, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Two words to improve: Bruce Arena.

Posted by: tfshea | January 24, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Bornstein looked good because others looked bad. He was probably the best player last night, but it's not saying much. Whoever said Wynne has no talent (above) is exactly right. Findley was useless, Cunningham shows no ability to play at the int'l level, Casey is scary bad, Beckerman shouldn't bother suiting up anymore, Marshall got beaten like a rented mule on the 2nd goal, and Conrad...WHO GETS RED-CARDED IN A MEANINGLESS FRIENDLY???? Special negative props to Rogers, who continues to demonstrate his uselessness.

Posted by: duck95 | January 24, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

i guess i'm lucky i didn't see it; i'm out of town and telefutura isn't on cable here. it's unbelievable that we can't see these games on mainstream tv. having said that, we're in trouble if our second team can't beat hunduras - at home, no less. with injuries to demspey and onyewu, it is obvious that we are going to need some other players to step up. reading that they were unable to do this is going to cause huge problems in south africa.

Posted by: papple | January 24, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Sneijder just did a Wayne Rooney :)

Posted by: spikeman | January 24, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

you don't watch much US soccer then. bornstein might start. feilhaber will be on the bench. either casey or findley will be on the team. one of the CBs will be on the team. one of the wingers will be on the team. minimum.

Posted by: ewww | January 23, 2010 11:38 PM |
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I agree that Feilhaber will be on the bench. He deserves to be, right now. Not playing with confidence or the quickness and precision to warrant confidence. Bornstein will probably start at least one game in South Africa. He looked pretty assured out there, finally -- like he knew what he was doing. That's good to see.

Goodson looked OK, so I'm not sweating it, if he makes the bench in central defense.

Although he did look better in the second half, his aimless running and horrific passing in the first half probably pushed Rogers off the plane to South Africa. No other winger will go, unless there's an injury.

Brad Davis -- I've been waiting for years to see him get a real chance. He may not be fast, or strong, or big, but Brad Davis is a soccer player. He plays with intelligence and great precision. Honestly, I think he wouldn't do badly, if he got the chance to play against the world's elite...especially working with our best players around him.

Casey will go to South Africa. He deserves to. He may not have the unerring aim of a Rooney, but he was consistently dangerous in his minutes. He's not world-class, but who in the USA program is? As for getting some speed up top, I'm just hoping Davies will be in shape and ready to go. It's not out of the question.

Posted by: fischy | January 24, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

That was hard on the eyes last night. I tried to watch the rebroadcast on FSC this morning and I think I have a migraine now. The US player pool is not as deep as people think.

Posted by: uknowmeas-GQ | January 24, 2010 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Algeria and the Cote D'Ivoire are in action at this hour; currently level at 1-1.

Posted by: universityandpark | January 24, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps what we need is to be distracted by another tangential discussion of persons of Hungarian heritage. Hmmm. I notice that tonight many PBS affiliates will be airing a new adaptation of Jane Austen's Emma, with Romola Garai in the title role.

Posted by: universityandpark | January 24, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Casey will go to South Africa. He deserves to. He may not have the unerring aim of a Rooney, but he was consistently dangerous in his minutes. He's not world-class, but who in the USA program is?"
--fischy

"Two words to improve: Bruce Arena." -- tfshea

fischy, I have a hard time fathoming Casey representing the USA on the grand world stage. As much as I might disagree with your opinion, it may very well be true. I think this reflects on the coach and to go off of tfshea's comments, I really like Peter Nowak and think that he must be given a chance...

Posted by: redskinsux | January 24, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@ redskinsux

Like fischy said, Casey may not be the fastest (or look the fastest) but he does the job up there. He is a target forward. Is he our first option? No. But seeing how we are a tad bit thin in the options department at forward I would like to know who you think (of what we've seen and know thus far in the game) warrants the call?

So Bradley does his job. He gets us to show well in the Confed cup AND searches for more talent in the pool. He get's bit twice in the unearthing process and now we need Bruce Arena or Peter Nowak?!?! Wow. Bradley's done nothing but win us a Gold Cup, take us far into the Confed Cup and help us qualify for the World Cup all while taking a few big scalps along the way and the failure of the backups is now his fault? The CC taught me to respect Bradley. Yeah he's not one of the sexy big names people love to bandy about on here, but he sure made me eat my words.

Posted by: Kosh2 | January 24, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If Beckerman had made one more slow, lazy unhelpful square ball or backpass I would have thrown my chip dip at the TV. I thought he was ann *attacking midfielder*. He didn't do anything the fuel the attack last night. Nothing. And he was totally lost, a day late, and a dollar short on defense. McCarty was better tghan Beckerman, hands down.

Cunningham completely invisible. Findley marginal. Perkins can't hack it at this level. He should be left off the WC team. Marvell Wynne defended better than he attacked.

MarshaLL was off his game. Robbie Rogers rattled a nice shot off the post after Honduras lost interest.

Oh, why go on. Other than Bornstein and Fielhaber, there was not a single player out there who should be on the WC team.

Posted by: Ron16 | January 24, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of Arena, he was just elected to the Hall of Fame in the "builder" category. Soccer America reports that Kevin Payne, of all people, placed ninth, being cited by 26 percent of the voters. (Arena was named on 78 percent of the ballots.)

Posted by: universityandpark | January 24, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Kosh2-

I'd rather see anyone else but Casey...Ching, Donovan, Altidore, Beasley, Adu, etc, and hopefully Dempsey and Davies. Yes, I would rather see a bench player in Europe (Adu) replace Casey. Anybody who has some technical ability...

Re: BB.

BB, by some, has an outstanding or "above average" resume'. My problem is the consistency. We get scolded 5-0 by Mexico in the Gold Cup 09'. We played like absolute crap last night and for the last three consecutive games for that matter. (Slovakia 0-1 and Denmark 1-3)

So yes, he has won the Gold Cup in 07' and almost won the Confederations Cup, oh, and how could I forget--he guided us through to qualification of the WC (in our challenging Concacaf group)!!!

I'd rather not be in this position of being skeptical of BB's line-ups and team performances but the fact remains there are a some unanswered questions about our performances lately and we're only 5 months away from the biggest tournament in the world. Is this the position a team needs to be in to do well? We shall see.

Posted by: redskinsux | January 24, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

What caught my attention from Goff's post was "...the fact that the gulf between the USA's top-flight players and secondary options is enormous."

I agree, but why is this so? Is it because you can't build a great team overnight from great players? Is it because 11 good players who play well together can beat 11 great players who do not play like a team?

And how do we fix this. Well, consider this idea. With a country as geographically large as ours, why do we have one national team? We're as big as Europe which has numerous national teams. Why not a US team east and a US team west? And they compete against each other for the privilege of representing the USA. We don't send the best 11; we send the best team.

Just a thought...

Posted by: shuttleboy | January 24, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

I missed the post-game coaches interview with the media. But I'm sure Skeletor said "This one is all my fault. I did not get the players to think and play as a team, I did not get them focused, I did not prepare them for the speed of the opposition, and I failed to use the opportunity to bleed Torres, Adu, Altidore, and other players who might actually see time in South Africa." That's what he said, right?

Posted by: dsheon1 | January 24, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Those of you saying that the ref should have been more lenient because it was a friendly are wrong. The players on both sides of the field aren't the only ones trying to make the case that they should be in the World Cup...the ref is too. He's being graded on every game, and if he refs any differently in a friendly than he would in the World Cup final, he won't be picked to go to South Africa. Whether or not the second yellow was warranted can certainly be debated, but the ref has to treat the game as a World Cup match.

Posted by: icehippo | January 25, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

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