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Video: Emilio Scores in Brazil

Former D.C. United striker Luciano Emilio scored the final goal in Rio Branco's 2-2 tie with Mogi Mirim (known as the Big Frog) in Brazil second division last night. (Thanks to Insider loyalist Michael for the link.) Do you miss Luci yet?


By Steve Goff  |  January 22, 2010; 3:20 PM ET
Categories:  Brazil , D.C. United  
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Well done Luci! Best of luck! Send a Tweet now and then...

Posted by: JkR- | January 22, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Emilio can score on a solid header? Who knew?

Not missing him yet. I would like to know more about the striker who scored the 2 goals for the Big Frog. Unlike Emilio, he's got some legs. Any chance Onalfo might reconsider his trip to Brazil, and check this guy out? Or the guy who served the sweet cross to Emilio?

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Emilio looked svelte, which was a nice change. What I really miss is live games. Is the off season over yet?

Posted by: LookingDangerous | January 22, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Luci, Fred, Gomez were the most notable underachievers last season. One reason for letting a coach go during the season is to evaluate talent, to give guys a chance to turn things around and show that they are worthy. United squandered that opportunity last season by letting a bad situation fester to the very end. Poorly done, from the top of the organization.

Posted by: weliveindc | January 22, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Where does the Brazilian second division rank among the world pro soccer levels? As sweet a goal as that was, I feel like I need to take it with a grain of salt.

Posted by: Juan-John1 | January 22, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

"Do you miss Luci yet?"

No.

Posted by: VercengetorixII | January 22, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Do I miss him? Good joke.

I agree with Fischy, lets get that other player signed up. We need some wheels up top.

Does a second division Brazilian player want to come to the MLS though?

Posted by: grubbsbl | January 22, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

This is not the Brazilian Second Division. It is the Paulista A1, the first division of the São Paulo state championship.

Brazilian teams play state championships in the first half of the year and national championships in the second half of the year.

http://www.soccerway.com/national/brazil/paulista-a1/2010/regular-season/

Last season they finished 2nd place in the Paulista A2 (São Paulo 2nd division) and got promoted to this season's Paulista A1.

If my understanding of the bizarre world of Brazilian football is accurate they must finish as one of the top 3 clubs in the Paulista A1 who are not currently competing in the first three divisions of the national championships to gain a spot in the *4th* division of Brazilian football later this year.


Anyone follow all that?

Posted by: albionroad | January 22, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

I love Luci!

I'm pretty sure we'll miss his goalscoring but would like to be proven wrong.

Emilio was overpaid as a DP but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if anyone on our current roster scores 41 league goals in the next 3 seasons.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | January 22, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

what Joel said.

Posted by: DadRyan | January 22, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

let's not get confused... Rio Branco plays in the 2nd division of the Sao Paulo state league... which is not the 2nd division of the National League..
which I guess would be comparable to the bowie baysocks... so I am sure that anyone of those players would be happy to play in the US..

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | January 22, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

If my understanding of the bizarre world of Brazilian football is accurate they must finish as one of the top 3 clubs in the Paulista A1 who are not currently competing in the first three divisions of the national championships to gain a spot in the *4th* division of Brazilian football later this year.

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So he's essentially playing for a team in WISL? :-)

Posted by: SoccerVA | January 22, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Was he worth DP money? No, but he certainly was one of the better forwards in the league. I always liked him and don't think United have adequately found his replacement yet.

Posted by: nico78 | January 22, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Gol from Luciano Emilio...what else is new? Why are there so many haters on this board...Emilio was a stud, nobody will ever score more goals in 3 years for D.C. United. Ever.

Posted by: DC0071 | January 22, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

I'm very happy for Luci. All the best of luck to him.

Posted by: FAkeemail9875 | January 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

dc0071 wanna hit???

Posted by: bonghits4gomez | January 22, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

was that the USL?

Posted by: nairbsod | January 22, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I think we appreciate that Luci had huge #s over 3 years. He had a massive first season. Even 2008, with 11 goals and 5 assists, was pretty darn good. Last year's 10 goals and 2 assists was a lot weaker -- and didn't involve the big goal contributions we'd seen in the first 2 years. He was pitifully slow, getting caught from behind on numerous potential breaks -- and showed a lousy first touch which kept him from being a decent holding forward. Turned the ball over too easily and didn't help out much on defense. Yes, he scored 10 goals, but he didn't really help the offense in the way you'd expect from someone with that many goals. Then, there was the displays of selfishness -- trying to pull the ball away from Gomez for a PK (btw -- the one PK he took was so bad, I was glad that he didn't get to take many), and the red card he got after being replaced.

Loved the Luci of '07. Liked the Luci of '08, and was pulling my hair out over the Luci of '09.

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Downward spiral over there...

Posted by: Reignking | January 22, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

let's not get confused... Rio Branco plays in the 2nd division of the Sao Paulo state league... which is not the 2nd division of the National League..
which I guess would be comparable to the bowie baysocks... so I am sure that anyone of those players would be happy to play in the US..

Posted by: bonghits4gomez

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BH -

as albionroad posted in the link above, Rio Branco is now in the top level of the Paulista League which is one of the many regional leagues in Brazilian states. It includes many of the top teams in Brazil like Sao Paulo, Corinthians, Botafogo, Santos. Those big teams, unlike Rio Branco, will compete in Brazil's top Serie A national league which starts later this year and finishes in December.

Brazil has regional leagues and a national league. Top teams compete in both leagues.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | January 22, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Correction -- I was remembering a free kick that Emilio took late last year. Horrible -- weakly hit and way off target. Still made me glad he didn't take many PKs.

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Well since I have just learned something about the Brazilian league. Thanks. Does a player who plays in some division of a state championship, which, may or may not, qualify for the 4th division of the national league want to play in the MLS?

Yes, Emilio had good states but the eye test told me he was terrible last season. Also, to state that a striker will never score more goals than Emilio in three season seems a bit ridiculous. What happens in 2075 (and I am close to 100 yrs old) when DC United is playing in front of 70k people and we have a Torres type striker dominating up top? ....:)

Posted by: grubbsbl | January 22, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

Not gonna hate on Luci, but Fischy's right. He was a power house in 07, the he was above average 08, then ok in 09. Though, correct me if I'm wrong, that seems typical with DC strikers, sans Escadarian, till his concussion.

He could get goals, yes, but his first touch was horrible, couldn't turn on the defender and would lose the ball a ton.

Posted by: dogboy | January 22, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

I love Luci!

I'm pretty sure we'll miss his goalscoring but would like to be proven wrong.

Emilio was overpaid as a DP but I'll be very pleasantly surprised if anyone on our current roster scores 41 league goals in the next 3 seasons.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | January 22, 2010 4:35 PM
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Fully agree.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 22, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, Emilio looks better in highlights than he does in a game. Emilio scoring is a side effect of good team play; whenever the team needs a boost, I remember Emilio just waiting around for someone to set him up. We could use someone with a little more presence and leadership. Hope the Aussie is up to it.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | January 22, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

For one brief shining moment -- for 4 months at the start of the '07 season, DC United was probably the most dominant teamt he league as ever seen. Perkins was having a great year in goal, and the trio of Gomez, Moreno and Emilio were dissecting the other teams' defenses. Gomez's courageous runs, Moreno's vision, the sublime touches that Gomez and Moreno delivered that put Emilio in scoring positions -- they were as much part of Emilio's incredible numbers as his own finishing abilities.

Things started to go off the rails when the team gave up the 2 late goals in Salt Lake at the end of July, but really what happened since then is the three guys all seemed to get old really fast, and at the same time. DC United became a different team, and Emilio's game changed with him getting the ball much further upfield. Hard to say whether Emilio might have been in better positions if his teammates were able to push the ball forward more aggressively or whether his own lack of fitness and pace increased the defensive pressure on other United players. More likely, both hings were happening. Whatever -- it wasn't working for United. Changes needed to be made.

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

No, not yet.

Posted by: marksman37 | January 22, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I'll add that all you Soehn-haters seem to forget just how good the team looked for his first year and a half. If Emilio and Moreno don't get hurt before the playoffs, United probably wins the MLS Cup that first year. Give him the right, fit, healthy players and he's as good a coach as there is in MLS. Yeah, he was clutching at straws at the end, but I don't know if anyone else would have done any better.

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Gol from Luciano Emilio...what else is new? Why are there so many haters on this board...Emilio was a stud, nobody will ever score more goals in 3 years for D.C. United. Ever.

Posted by: DC0071 | January 22, 2010 4:48 PM


I also agree. I thought Emilio was a stud. To me he was on a Roy Lassiter level. We will sorely miss him. I bet we don't even have a 10 goal scorer this year. Good luck Luci! You are one of my all time favorite DC United players!

Posted by: alan19 | January 22, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Not Greek Quality

Posted by: Freddy_ADU | January 22, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

64 days until United's first match!

Posted by: Curious99 | January 22, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

haha so he is in the 6th division? And he scores after not being mark and left alone.
Its whatever, I thin he is good for the first year then just fades off.
A goal from the bottom pits of Brazilian futbol.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 22, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I think*

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | January 22, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

It's frickin' January. We miss everybody.

As for Emilio, wherever you rank him among DCU's best, the book was out on him around MLS, and no one at DCU knew how to turn that around. It was a frustrating situation for everyone, and it was time to move on.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | January 22, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

There are a lot of people who think we're totally screwed without Emilio, and I can't figure out their logic.

For Emilio to be a successful player in MLS, he has to be an absolutely lethal finisher. When you contribute so little to the rest of the things forwards should be doing (hold-up play, pressuring defenders, dribbling, creating for others, etc), you are obliged to score boatloads of goals to make up for it. 12 and 10 goal returns are pretty good as raw data, but not in the context of his total contribution to the team and how much cap space was used on him.

United's top scorer this year will probably not get over 12 goals. However, all of our current forwards work harder, possess a better first touch, and are more capable of bringing their teammates into the game than Emilio was.

The question of how we'll make up for Emilio's goals isn't going to be answered with one name. It's answered with more goals from our wide men (Quaranta had just 2 last year, for example, and had fewer chances than you'd expect), more goals from several forwards instead of just one, and generally improved team play. If Pontius leads the team with only 11 goals...well, that's Emilio's average over the past 2 years, and Pontius does so much more than Emilio does (athletically, technically, and effort-wise). What if it's Allsopp? Well, he's a bigger, more physical player, giving us a way of attacking defenses that Emilio never did.

Emilio is a poacher, and he does that very well. However, we don't have a team that's so good elsewhere to carry a guy who offers nothing other than the finishing touch. You can get away with a poacher if you also have someone like Marco Etcheverry in midfield and with a great supporting cast. Our supporting cast is alright, but do you see anyone on our roster as good as El Diablo?

One final note for those obsessed with having a surefire 15 goals from one guy: The last time the Golden Boot winner's team won MLS Cup was 2002. I'm not saying they're related; I'm just saying we don't have to have a guy with 15+ goals to be a good team.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | January 22, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

What Chest said.

Oh and -- "The last time the Golden Boot winner's team won MLS Cup was 2002. I'm not saying they're related"

I'll say it -- they're almost inversely related. A team with a Golden Boot winner is probably top-heavy...too reliant on one guy, who can be taken out of the game by another really good team. If the other team doesn't have anything to fear from your other players, it becomes too easy to shut down your big gun. That said, I'm not sure that DCU has a bunch of guys who can score. Right now, I'm not convinced they have anyone who can score. We shall see.

Posted by: fischy | January 23, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Nice goal, Luci. Hope you have a fun season. Goff - what is he earning down there in lower exchelons of Brazilian footie?

Posted by: bartapest1 | January 23, 2010 4:55 AM | Report abuse

I get e-mail news updates from Soccer America everyday that usually have some interesting items.

Looks like Stuart Holden will get some kind of offer from Bolton in the EPL:

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/American-ace-Stuart-Holden-offered-Bolton-deal-article296721.html

And from the fringes of the USMNT player pool - former Hoosier and youth Nat Lee Nguyen is apparently opting to remain in the Vietnamese league for financial reasons rather than sign a deal with MLS.

http://www.thisisamericansoccer.com/us-mens-national-team/vietnam-star-or-league-minimum/

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | January 23, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

And on a totally different topic...

Jo has been shipped off to Turkey. He was on loan to Everton from Man City, but had fallen out of favor. With the arrival of Landon and the return to fitness of other attacking players, Moyes decided to terminate the agreement. So, City have sent him to Turkey. Well done, Landon.

Posted by: glfrazier | January 23, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

The Vietnamese league pays better than MLS? Gevalt!!

Posted by: Senor_Funk | January 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

40+ goals is nice on paper, but there are way too many other areas of his game that were lacking, as Chest has pointed out countless times.

I also believe that if you had put a Juan Pablo Angel or a healthy Twellman in his place over the same period, with our service and a modicum of hustle they would have had 60+ goals over the same period. Plus the guy was such an inherently selfish player. Emilio should have had twenty assists over the same period as well. How many did he have? 4 assists over three years? How many times was there a wide open player staring in disbelief as Emilio, under pressure, sent one flying over the goal? Having a striker that wants to shoot first is fine, but there are times when you need to find the open guy in that role. Granted, maybe he knew if he passed it to Fred he would miss from a foot away.

Let's move on. Can't we just enjoy the team we have while we still have one, people?

Vamos United!

Posted by: JaimeSegundo | January 23, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Not the 'tude....

Posted by: lovinliberty | January 23, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I'll add that all you Soehn-haters seem to forget just how good the team looked for his first year and a half. If Emilio and Moreno don't get hurt before the playoffs, United probably wins the MLS Cup that first year. Give him the right, fit, healthy players and he's as good a coach as there is in MLS. Yeah, he was clutching at straws at the end, but I don't know if anyone else would have done any better.

Posted by: fischy | January 22, 2010 7:03 PM

Soehn's first 1.5 years, you mean with mostly the roster that the previous coach had helped put together? Those first 1.5 years.

Also, about Emilio, while I'll miss him a bit I'm definitely not in the camp that thinks we'll be worse off without him. It was time to take a step in another direction since he really couldn't play with his back to the goal and at times seemed slower than some of the contestants on The Biggest Loser.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | January 23, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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