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Tuesday kickaround

*It is "still possible" that, despite an injury, Jamaican defender Jermaine Taylor will join D.C. United for a trial, General Manager Dave Kasper said. United is in Florida through Friday before returning to Washington and then heading to Mexico. Unless, of course, there is a work stoppage. Speaking of which.....

*Management and labor met again Monday in Washington. None of the participants were willing to comment on the discussions. At training camp, goalkeeper Pat Onstad told the Houston Chronicle: "I'm concerned. I feel that we're not being taken seriously. I think at this point, the negotiations are pretty far apart."

*The New England Revolution has signed a central midfielder from Senegal.

*Only in soccer: A police chief inspector general attending an Indonesian Premier League match sensed something "fishy" with the calls. So he ordered an investigation and had the game officials questioned.

*Americans abroad:
D Jonathan Spector and West Ham at Manchester United

For TV listings.....

*Soccer on TV:
Europa League, Benfica-Hertha Berlin noon DirecTV (461-470)

Champions League, Stuttgart-Barcelona 2:30 p.m. Comcast SportsNet/DC, Fox Sports Net, Fox Sports Espanol (5 p.m. Fox Soccer Channel)

Champions League, Olympiakos-Bordeaux 2:30 p.m. FSC
England, Manchester United-West Ham 3 p.m. Setanta
Copa Libertadores, Morelia-Nacional 10 p.m. FSE

By Steve Goff  |  February 23, 2010; 8:38 AM ET
Categories:  Americans Abroad , D.C. United , MLS , TV  
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Is Castillo playing for The Savior vs the US tommorrow?

Posted by: delantero | February 23, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"We" don't appreciate the continuing negative association with the word "fishy". The preferred term is "malodorous" or "rotten".

Why do the Revs have this great pipeline for young talent on the African continent? More to the point, why don't the other MLS teams have something comparable?

Maybe it's crazy of me to think this way, but I keep reading that MLS is run as a "single-entity"!!! If that's so, they should have a scouting combination, like the NFL has (or had -- I haven't read about it 20 years). NFL teams joined together to form a single scouting operation so each team could have access to a wide-range of scouting reports, without hiring their own army of scouts.

This "single-entity" soccer league should have a scouting resource that all team managers (they're just managers in a larger "single-entity" chain after all) would have access to -- for scouting and recruitment. MLS is a "single-entity", after all.... Right?

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I'd say the police inspector's actions are more reflective of Indonesia than soccer. I doubt they play a lot of hoops, baseball, football or hockey there, so soccer is the only option for a police chief in Indonesia to flex his "muscles."

Indeed, soccer's global popularity guarantees that unusual events like this will happen more often at a soccer game than any other sporting event -- except, perhaps, ice dancing (shout out to OWNTF).

I doubt anything like that could happen here. Then again, there is Congress...

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | February 23, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

No union sabre-rattling today? No biased motivational speeches to rally the troops? Goff, maybe you should write a letter to Jermaine Taylor telling him of the evil ways of MLS and not to come here.

Posted by: boda-united | February 23, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

What makes the Indonesia story so curious is the supposedly bad calls did nit affect the outcome, as the policeman's favored team won 2-0. If the refs were trying to rig the game, they did a lousy job.

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Boda-united - boy you really are threatened by anyone who stands up for the players. Maybe the players should offer to work for less as penance to the owners for having the gall to ask for a living wage, and the right to work elsewhere without requiring compensation to the old team that doesn't want them. Would your employer require compensation if you went to work for another?

After seeing their league grow from 10 to 16 and soon 18 teams, and the value of their franchises surge, the owners must really be hurting.
But then the authoritarian personality is always threatened by those who challenge power. You sound better suited for US football - where the corporate-military mentality prevails.

And Goff- more biased motivational speeches will be welcomed.

Posted by: dcpsycho | February 23, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: nairbsod | February 23, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Holy cr*p. Do we have to do this again today? Goff, can't you please write a letter to Mr. Chang about the stadium or something?

Posted by: OWNTF | February 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse


Posted by: VTUnited | February 23, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

"sabre-rattling", "biased motivational speeches"? please. my essay/letter reflected the mood and concerns of many mls supporters who don't want to see the league collapse. some of y'all need to lighten up.

Posted by: Steve Goff | February 23, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I wish political biases could be kept to the commentaries attached to the op-ed pieces, which I've learned to avoid since the vitriol there worries me about our ability to live together in this country.

Posted by: seahawkdad | February 23, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"None of the participants were willing to comment on the discussions."

Is there an available list of those participants on both sides of the table?

Posted by: tab5g1 | February 23, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Is Goff (or perhaps someone in the Post's business/labor area) considering a full write-up on this week's negotiations and a summary of the CBA issues as this next "deadline" approaches?

Posted by: tab5g1 | February 23, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

"None of the participants were willing to comment on the discussions."

Is there an available list of those participants on both sides of the table?

Posted by: tab5g1 | February 23, 2010 10:42 AM

In an effort to make sure everyone was held accountable for their actions, GeneWells already requested this information, and was denied.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 23, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

No matter what your allegiance is, I hope this news will be treated properly; Giuseppe Rossi's father has passed; Villarreal had let him leave the team a few weeks ago to be with him.

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Talk of work stoppages and possible league shutdown has to be great for Chang's stadium negotiations.

Posted by: benonthehill | February 23, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

What role does Pat Onstad play in the negotiation? Is he the players' rep for the union? I was just curious because he has been rather pessimistic (or maybe even realistic) about the outcome of these negotiations, but he is not in DC for this round.

Posted by: no_recess | February 23, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Never mind. I found the answer:

"Onstad, one of four players currently on the MLS Players union's executive board, admitted the players are prepared for a work stoppage."

I wonder which one of the four players are representing the union if any.

Posted by: no_recess | February 23, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I see that negotiations have taken place in both New York and Washington in recent weeks. Are the locations of these talks a secret? Is there anyone around here who has any expertise in black bag ops?

Posted by: universityandpark | February 23, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

if loving Goff is wrong, i don't want to be right.

@VTUnited - nicely played

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | February 23, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

How do we know the negotiations won't lead to secret "Death Panels"? These negotiations should all be broadcast live on C-Span.

And dammit, Goff, do something. This tinfoil hat is messing up my hair!

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | February 23, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

My apologies Senor Goff. I went back and re-read your letter, it seemed more biased when I first read it after only 3 hours sleep. The same letter could be written to Bob Foose about biting the hand that feeds you. Both sides are imbeciles if there is any kind of work stoppage. I will leave it at that....

Posted by: boda-united | February 23, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Again while i know not every single person on here is a DC United fan....i'm more worried about DC's stadium situation, a good soccer stadium will survive and be used by any future soccer team/league should MLS fold. No stadium, who cares if MLS survives without DC?????

That said, come on Stuttgart!

Posted by: Brian76 | February 23, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse


Thanks for the video link to the Valencia match -- great stuff on that second goal.

Posted by: teamn | February 23, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

@ dimesmakedollars -- well done, that's a coffee snorter

Posted by: OWNTF | February 23, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

No prob. Occasionally elmundo has highlights that can be viewed outside of Spain.

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

If the league does "lock out" the players I hope they take it further and fire the idiot DCU leadership Payne & Kasper; Insider please STOP updating DCU Nation on the status of Jermain Taylor. Thank goodness Perkins is back in the fold as he is our only legitimate defensive player. That said he is in for a LONG season with DCU leadership having don Zip to upgrade our back 4/3. Dave Kasper is useless now and it is bigger than not having developed an African talent pipeline.
Why do the Revs get great talent - because they have someone active and fully engaged plus they have money supporting the effort.
Jermaine Taylor belongs in Jamaica not in the MLS and come to think of it so does Cristman...
Have we scored a goal yet in pre-seasin training???

Also, Maryland Stadium Autority is preparing to release initial plans for a Baltimore, MD "United" Stadium Plan... likely release date is post CBA resolution. Steve G. any chance you can dig in with Gary A. McGuigan Project Executive and pursue the story further?
Maybe take a break from your Work Stoppage manifesto!
You have been watching to much Jerry Mcguire of late...

Posted by: Zipfutbol | February 23, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse


Sometimes you see a post that is an abject lesson in why you should always think twice before hitting the "send/submit" button. There's actually a decent point or two and possibly some interesting information buried in the middle of something that reads like an almost incoherent drunken rant.

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Well said, fischy...

Posted by: JkR- | February 23, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

That's not enough! We demand MORE asbestos!

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | February 23, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I've lost my crown.

Posted by: DadRyan | February 23, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know just how close or far apart management and the players are? I am interested. Chris Klein was really interesting on Fox Football Fone-In. Looks like you get to be a veteran (color in Kevin Hartman) and you get hung out to dry with nothing. Are we the only sports league (MLS) that does not have free agency. Baseball got stopped by Curt Flood. Maybe management really needs to think about this one.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | February 23, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Looks as if Holden will make his Bolton debut tomorrow in FA Cup match vs. Spurs. Lots of soccer to keep one engrossed tomorrow-- USA-SLV, Inter-Chelsea, Holden's English debut -- and then Donovan and Everton in Europa League action Thursday.

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for the World Cup this year because DCU & MLS is just a huge bummer right now -- work stoppage chatter and no stadium newzzzzzzzz... :-(

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | February 23, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@VirginiaFan -- You don't even need to look at other sports to see how out of step MLS is. If you're not familiar with the Bosman case: The reason there is free movement in Europe is the European Court of Justice declared that restrictions on player movements beyond the length of individual contracts were in violation of the fundamental right of freedom of movement for all European workers.

It's a tougher slog here in the US because we don't have this right so unambiguously set out in any federal law -- which is why MLS so prizes the antitrust exemption it gets for being deemed a "single-entity". It lets the league get away with predatory, monopolistic behaviors like the reserve rule that reserves the MLS team's control over its players.

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ralphie, you stay here while daddy tries to talk some sense into this raving derelict.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | February 23, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Slippery field in Stuttgart...

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Stuttgart putting the pressure on.

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Cacau, who is on fire, puts it in on a header. Puyol beaten...

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Here's some interesting news that might have a DCU angle: The Wizards have announced they are parting ways with Claudio Lopez. I'm not taking a position here except to note that DCU still lacks a real attacking centermid. Besides my opinion doesn't count. The question that has to be asked: What does Curt Onalfo think of his current roster, especially the internationals, and how much does Curt Onalfo like Claudio Lopez?

Posted by: fischy | February 23, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

If you're not familiar with the Bosman case..."

Sometimes you see a post that is an abject lesson in why you should always think twice before hitting the "send/submit" button...
The Bosman case...really? "fischy" Shouldn't you be watching The Price Is Right & finishing your MLS 2011 mock draft right now? Was that the door bell - your Serie A Fantasy League game board must have arrived...

Posted by: Zipfutbol | February 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The Germans are dominating.

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Leave, troll.

However, if you had made a Charlie's Angels joke, we would've accepted sarcasm as a proper response. Bosley's rulings were always wise.

Posted by: Reignking | February 23, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

your Serie A Fantasy League game board must have arrived...

Posted by: Zipfutbol | February 23, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse


I draft the Special One, and therefore I need only 7 players . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | February 23, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

ZipforBrains take heed of the warning above. Goff probably let you and your bs slide previously because he's been busy with b-ball, but don't think you're going keep up this obnoxiousness unchecked much longer.

Are you trying to get punched in the mouth out in the parking lot this summer?

Posted by: DadRyan | February 23, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

the price is right zing should have tipped everyone off that hes a sounders fan. to be fair, seattle did invent the spaying and/or neutering of pets.

Posted by: VTUnited | February 23, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Seattle invented the universe. Oh wait, I'm thinking of Ashley Cole's big bang.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | February 23, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Goff's comment on the labor-management situation was objective and newsworthy.
But, without a center midfielder it just does not matter: DCU is not going very far this season. Perkins and Castilio were good moves, but you cannot win without a good midfield and we don't have one yet. Why is the FO so unconcerned about this roster?
Don't count on many wins this year unless they open up their wallets. It is sad what has happened to DCU, the franchise of Etchevery, Moreno Agoos, Gomez and Ryan O'Neill. Managemewnt seems to have given up.

Posted by: lemovs1 | February 23, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

MLS was definitely set up single entity as a way around free agency, I really think that the owners (or at least Hunt, Kraft, Anschutz who own other sports teams) saw an opportunity to try it out at the same time as setting up the soccer league. It was far easier to start with MLS, but if it holds up in court who wants to take bets on one or more of the other major sports leagues doing the same? I can definitely see all the NFLS teams merging to form "the NFL" as a single entity business with franchises. Again, really legally that makes sense. Maybe more so with MLS than some other sports because there are legitimate alternatives within the United States (ignoring foreigh leagues) USL, indoor soccer, etc.

Posted by: Brian76 | February 23, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

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