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Monday kickaround

*In addition to Manchester United's all-but-certain visit to Houston's Reliant Stadium this summer to play the MLS all-stars, we're hearing the Reds might drop by Philadelphia for a friendly against an opponent to be determined.

*MLS attendance watch.....
Houston: 18,197
(It was actually 18,196, but Luis Angel Landin took two seats)
Chivas USA: 19,805
(HDC derby should always be played on Saturday, not Thursday)
Colorado: 11,641
(Commerce City dominates Frisco)
D.C. United: 20,664
(They came for the Ledo Pizza and Fat Face BBQ)
Seattle: 36,066
(Also the number of days since previous Red Bulls' road win)

*A look at the La Liga race with eight matches remaining:
Real Madrid 77 points, +57 goal difference
Barcelona 77 points, +56 goal difference
Real has won 12 straight in the league, Barca is on a 7-0-1 run.
This Saturday: Barcelona at Real Madrid, 4 p.m. ET (TV tba).

*D.C. United will play Crystal Palace Baltimore at 11:30 a.m. today at the RFK Stadium training grounds at 21st and C streets Northeast. Admission is free. While Palace is gearing up for the start of the second-division season, United will field reserves.

*Omar Arellano's first-half goal led Chivas to a 1-0 victory over bitter rival America:

By Steve Goff  |  April 5, 2010; 9:30 AM ET
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Comments

Will the reserves shoot the ball?

Posted by: carnack | April 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Who will be first to ask whether the La Liga tie-breaker is head-to-head or goal differential?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 5, 2010 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Is the La Liga tie-breaker head to head goal differential or head to head aggregate or head to head away goal or all of the above? Will they go to a penalty shootout if all all tie-breakers are a tie?

Posted by: peridigm | April 5, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Real has the advantage.

They crapped out of the Champions League :p

Just read this:
FC Barcelona will be without Zlatan Ibrahimović for the second leg of their UEFA Champions League quarter-final with Arsenal FC on Tuesday after the forward suffered a small tear in his right calf.

The 28-year-old had been scheduled to start the club's Liga encounter with Athletic Club on Saturday – which Barça won 4-1 – only to pull out through injury during the pre-match warm-up, with tests later revealing the extent of the injury. The Swedish international struck twice as the Azulgrana earned a 2-2 first-leg draw in London and, in addition to the return encounter with the Gunners, could also miss next Saturday's league meeting with fellow title contenders Real Madrid CF.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

"36,066
(Also the number of days since previous Red Bulls' road win)"

The actual number of days since the previous regular season win: 693. Which is shocking enough.

(504 since the playoff win at RSL).

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 5, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

re: "The players didn't get the memo from the marketing departement. Guys next week you need to remember that "it takes more". You can leave "we win trophies" to the Caps.

Posted by: blackandred777"

You have a point, but the Caps have existed for 36 years, and their trophy case is empty. They've never won a thing. And as good as they havebeen this season they are likely to be trounced out of the playoffs by the Penguins again.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 4, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I was referring to the President's Trophy. The Caps case is no longer barren. They won the President's Trophy last night (equivalent of the Supporters Shield). As for the Penguins, we shall see. The Caps are better than last year and the Penguins aren't as good as last year. Please don't talk about the past. The players on both teams were completely different for all but last years series. That is the only relevant series when discussing this year.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Very impressive attendance numbers. Now if they could only do something about Frisco.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

La Liga tiebreak rules per Wikipedia

If points are equal between two or more clubs, head-to-head results usually determine their placement.

The first tiebreaker used when two teams are even on points is the goal difference resulting from the two matches between the clubs in question.

When more than two teams are tied, the points accumulated from the games between those teams are used to rank them, then goal difference if needed.

If head-to-head results are not sufficient to separate teams, goal difference over the entire season, then total goals scored in the season may be used.

Posted by: emanon13 | April 5, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Um, seems today would be a great opportunity to field first team players.

A. Clearly, they need all the game practice they can get.
B. Nobody should be tired after that atrocious second half.
C. This may be the appropriate level of competition. Maybe a win here can inspire them to a 28 game unbeaten run in the league!

Can someone start selling Thierry Henry on the charms of RFK and Georgetown?

Posted by: daandre3 | April 5, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

First-team players 40 hours after a league match? I do hope you are joking.

Posted by: Steve Goff | April 5, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

ok, so the slogan should be WE WIN TROPHIES (no, not the stanley cup. other trophies. trophies you don't care about. sigh.)

(yes, i'm taking shots at the caps because i'm depressed about dcu right now. i'm not proud.)

Posted by: stairs | April 5, 2010 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Henry couldn't even get playing time for a injured Barcelona this weekend. I'm not sure why -- with Ibra's injury, maybe they needed to rest him. Must be nice when a guy I've never heard of (Jeffren) can come off the back of the bench and score.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

While you can look at the first half of the match on Saturday and you can see a team that committed to going forward with pace (refreshing from the Soehn era), you still see a team that hits the top of the 18 yard box like Simon Pegg hits the wall in Run Fat Boy Run.

Perfectly executed crosses, to no one in particular.

Well timed runs, to the corner for said crosses.

Lack of instinct to take a shot.

Plenty of unselfish passing to attempt to spring one of the lateral runs along the top of the box, but it usually ends up mishandled, intercepted, or blocked if it results in a shot.

It's as though the team loses all vertical movement inside the 18.

I think it's still a work in progress. Our trip to Philadelphia this weekend will be quite telling. Struggle to score at the Linc, and I will finally put Dave Kaspar on notice that he's out by the summer. Finish bottom of the table, and Mr. Onalfo won't last as long as Ray Hudson did.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | April 5, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Seems to me that DCU had that atrocious 2nd half because they were tired.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

So there are 11 players on the team worse than those who took the field Saturday?

Wow.

Posted by: beach3 | April 5, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

It's as though the team loses all vertical movement inside the 18.
Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood
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Hasn't this been true for years?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 5, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

""It was actually 18,196, but Luis Angel Landin took two seats""

What a load he is. I watched him get rolling down the field twice only to trip over the ball. He's really an embarrassment.

Posted by: delantero | April 5, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Come on, there's still a shot at the Atlantic Cup. Based on this past weekend, we'll be getting some long odds.

Can't wait to see that viral campaign.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | April 5, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

GolTV's been hyping the RM-Barca game, so supposedly they're broadcasting it (maybe as part of the agreement with ESPN?).

Posted by: Juan-John | April 5, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Bedoya 90 in a 1-0 win today.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

D.C. United: 20,664
(They came for the Ledo Pizza and Fat Face BBQ)
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20,663. Juan-John came for Ben's Chili.

Looks like I'm gonna have to skip the reserve match. The one time it would work out great for me, and the Nats aren't running the RFK shuttle anymore....Someene please post a report.

Posted by: fischy | April 5, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

so wait do the caps have a trophy or what? with so much talk about them I would have thought they are about to win the 3rd cup in a row.

Posted by: Norteno4life | April 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

"I was referring to the President's Trophy. The Caps case is no longer barren. They won the President's Trophy last night (equivalent of the Supporters Shield)." - earlier in the thread

Caps now mathematically have the best regular-season record in the NHL this season with four games remaining.

Posted by: VercengetorixII | April 5, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"Can someone start selling Thierry Henry on the charms of RFK and Georgetown?"

Posted by: daandre3

As opposed to the charms of Red Bull Arena and Harrison, NJ? After London and Barcelona I'm not sure 'charms' it the way to sell Henry on MLS - it's gonna take Benjamins. Fortunately, DCU's front office is banking dough for this very move...right?

Posted by: soccerman | April 5, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

so wait do the caps have a trophy or what? with so much talk about them I would have thought they are about to win the 3rd cup in a row.

Posted by: Norteno4life | April 5, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Yes, they now have a trophy. For Pete sake's, be happy for the Caps. They are representing this town and have already accomplished something they haven't accomplished in their 36 year history. I love DC United but I don't love the idiots that wish ill on the other teams in town. Those fans are no better than the Cowboy, Penguin, Celtic, or Revolution fans that grew up in this town.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I hate the rest of the DC teams, because I grew up in Philly. I'm surely not the only one that transplanted to DC.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

goal 1-0 Reserves.. cool

I wonder who would win if the reserves played the 1st team?

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 5, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Without a good center mid, a good right mid and and an Emilio-type (where is he now!)at striker, what do you expect for the rest of the season.
The only hope; Payne and Chang loosen the purse strings and sign some guys who can play this game..

Posted by: lemovs1 | April 5, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Reignking,

Transplants are a different matter. You make a good point. My point is only directed at native Washingtonians. You're not switching to the Union I hope?

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Reignking,

Transplants are a different matter. You make a good point. My point is only directed at native Washingtonians. You're not switching to the Union I hope?

Posted by: blackandred777

I joked that I was being traded to the Union when McNabb went to the Skins :)

Don't think I could. I'll hope they do well, sure, but once you have followed a team for 15 years, you're stuck.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

And I haven't lived in Philadelphia in 28 years.

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

OT: Is that Helen Thomas in the tax ad?

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 5, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@I-270,

Oh yes. It was true last year. It was true in 2008. It was somewhat true in the latter half of 2007.

I'm not sure how or where it begins to be addressed and I don't want to call for new players outright as the only solution.

However, while Pontius may continue to grow and develop as a threat in the box, he seems as though he's still adapting to playing the true goal scoring threat.

Moreno still does a better job of handling a ball on the attack than most in MLS, but his lack of speed negates his skills and a lot of players are not reading him the way he's thinking in games.

Danny Alsopp - what are you not getting done in training?

Adam Cristman - it's time to get off the bench?

Dave Kaspar - it truly seems your skill at talent evaluation is escaping you.

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | April 5, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

re: "I was referring to the President's Trophy. The Caps case is no longer barren. They won the President's Trophy last night (equivalent of the Supporters Shield). As for the Penguins, we shall see. The Caps are better than last year and the Penguins aren't as good as last year. Please don't talk about the past. The players on both teams were completely different for all but last years series. That is the only relevant series when discussing this year.


Posted by: blackandred777"

Well, I suppose if you count the Caps' "Presidents Trophy" as a real trophy, they have won something. But unfortunately it means nothing, just as the Supporters Shield in MLS means nothing. Just as the US Open Cup means nothing to MLS teams. Remember when DCU won the US Open Cup with Emilio & Co? We went on to crash out of the MLS playoffs, and the season was deemed, by Chang on down, an unacceptable *failure*. So, while there may be some tin pots gathering dust in a glass case that says "US Open Cup - DCU" & similar ones saying "Supporters Shield - DCU" on them, they are plastic trophies no one remembers except the DCU marketing department. Our REAL trophies are our MLS Cups, and maybe InterAmerican and CONCACAF Champions Cups. No one cares about the others.

The Caps, on the other hand, have no comparable "real" trophies. If the Caps choke (as they have choked out of the playoffs for decades now) and fail to win the Stanley Cup this year no one is going to remember that they won the "prestigious" Presidents Trophy.

Sorry, but the past is relevant. The Caps have consistently been chokers in the playoffs their entire existence. Even more relevant is the fact that home ice advantage is almost a home ice "curse" for the Caps in the playoffs. Until they win Stanley Cup, the Caps are just a bunch of wannabees.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 5, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, I mean, I'm a transplant as well, but (1) I didn't have a soccer, baseball, or hockey team before I moved here, so I've adopted them all (and to be honest, the Nats have been spurred more so by carry-over love for DC from my United fandom), and (2) it's still possible to change. I've been a Jacksonville Jaguars fan from their first season - my first NFL game ever was the franchise's first ever home victory against the Steelers - but I'm slowly becoming a Redskins fan, for a number of reasons. It's perfectly possible to do, and my fanaticism for DC United certainly helps the transition.

Posted by: VercengetorixII | April 5, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

The Caps, on the other hand, have no comparable "real" trophies. If the Caps choke (as they have choked out of the playoffs for decades now) and fail to win the Stanley Cup this year no one is going to remember that they won the "prestigious" Presidents Trophy.

Sorry, but the past is relevant. The Caps have consistently been chokers in the playoffs their entire existence. Even more relevant is the fact that home ice advantage is almost a home ice "curse" for the Caps in the playoffs. Until they win Stanley Cup, the Caps are just a bunch of wannabees.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 5, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

You're a moron. If you think that the Caps of the 80's and 90's are relevant to today then you know absolutely nothing about hockey or sports. To the players that is nothing more than stories in a history book. This group of players is infinitely more talented than those teams not to mention that they also never had the best player in the world in the past. This particular Caps group has only been through two postseasons. Further, statistically speaking the team that won the meaningless President's Trophy during the past 10-15 years has been the most likely to win the Stanley Cup. That is a fact not my opinion. The Capitals also have never won this before so there is no other season that compares to this one. Lastly, there are many SI regulars that think the Supporters Shield should be the only thing that matters. They want MLS to be like most leagues around the world.

I apologize to everyone for creating a hockey topic but the last post really p****d me off.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Also a transplant. The only DC teams I follow are United, (the) Freedom, and Son of 270's nameless U8 team. I don't follow any others due to lack of interest in other sports, aversion to racial epithets, and the need to prioritize TV time.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 5, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Fred's brother just scored. Yes that family can put the ball the back of the net.

Did anyone know that he was even training with the team?

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 5, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

270,

Sports is my TV time. However, it helps that I have a very patient wife. :)

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 5, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

To Ron16

For those of us who care about soccer, the Supporters Shield IS the title that matters. Winning either cup makes for a very good year; but winning the shield says much more about the team in the end.

Posted by: jnel | April 5, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@ I-270: Colonoscopy FC?

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 5, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

They'd probably prefer Butt Hole Camera FC.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 5, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

"For those of us who care about soccer, the Supporters Shield IS the title that matters. Winning either cup makes for a very good year; but winning the shield says much more about the team in the end.
Posted by: jnel | April 5, 2010 12:58 PM"

UH OH. Here we go!

Posted by: nairbsod | April 5, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Now that there's a balanced schedule, the Supporters Shield sort of means something. But it doesn't mean much.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 5, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

so - did I scroll past it? - did our reserves win?

Posted by: nairbsod | April 5, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

We need a win at Philly this weekend or it gets REALLY UGLY! Question:
Why no D. Allsopp against New England? He was presented as a primary attacking element for 10' season yet he doesn't see the pitch yet? Not even as a sub late in a match we are losing? Payne & Kasper any response?
The 17 year old is not ready yet for this level; maybe a wing substitute for short stretches but Santino should stay out wide right no?
RFK pitch looked not good for a home opener plus football lines in April still visible?
Finally, I hope Onalfo gets benefit of the doubt here because the Front Office clearly had their mind on other things this off-season & NOT on personnel... What a train wreck.
If #99 goes down... hey is El Diablo doing any Wii Fit!!

Posted by: Zipfutbol | April 5, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@nairbsod
yep they won, 5-2

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 5, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

actually if anyone else read the twitter from DCU, could you all explain what happened with the random listing of scoring? Did they just ignore the two goals by crystal palace until the 77th minute? Also whats up with our 'reserves'? I know we have players that could have gone in that are actually getting paid instead of Mediate and Nigel White. Or are we considering bringing them in? Also, freds brother?

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 5, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

zip: injuries dictated different substitutions

Posted by: Reignking | April 5, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Anyone buy an I-Pad? Can you stream Champions League games on it?

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 5, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

@blackandred777: on one hand you say the past doesn't matter, and then you devote an entire post appealing to the the past to make your point. You can't have it both ways.

The fact is the NHL is much like MLS in that the regular season and regular season trophies mean very little; essentially nothing. If CHANG, the owner of DC United, is not a real soccer fan , then no one is. HE is the one that deemed our most recent US Open Cup winning season a "unacceptable" FAILURE.

As far as the Caps go, this most recent edition conforms to all the others in previous years. They make some noise during the relatively meaningless regular season, and then crash out of the playoffs because they are CHOKERS, and will be CHOKERS until further notice. Further notice beaing a Stanley Cup with their names on it. Maybe they finally will win the Cup this year. But then again maybe not. It is easy to pile up regular season points and get a tin-pot "Presidents Trophy" when you play in a patsy division like the Southeast.

If that makes you mad, that is too bad. Read it and weep.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 5, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I know the transplant side of things very well being down here in Atlanta. I can also say that the second Atlanta gets an MLS team (should it ever happen), DCU becomes my second favorite immediately. Just saying.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | April 5, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so, the Chuck Deezy jersey just showed up in the UPS man's hand. Gotta say, these things are much better looking in person. MUCH.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | April 5, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If Atlanta, Atlanta-ish, or Atlanta-oid gets an MLS team, be prepared for the redneck jokes. If your think "soccer ball" refers to an illegal act in Georgia...

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 5, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Senor Goff,

I was mostly tongue in cheek about the first teamers playing today. But I remember in high school being forced to run suicides and minute drills by our insane coach when we lost badly, so from a negative reinforcement perspective, it has some merit...although, from the sound of things, maybe the reserves should get some PT this weekend.

Posted by: daandre3 | April 5, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

As far as the Caps go, this most recent edition conforms to all the others in previous years. They make some noise during the relatively meaningless regular season, and then crash out of the playoffs because they are CHOKERS, and will be CHOKERS until further notice. Further notice beaing a Stanley Cup with their names on it. Maybe they finally will win the Cup this year. But then again maybe not. It is easy to pile up regular season points and get a tin-pot "Presidents Trophy" when you play in a patsy division like the Southeast.

If that makes you mad, that is too bad. Read it and weep.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 5, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

You didn't address what the post stated. 777 is totally correct on this one. you are wrong. Read it and weep.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 5, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

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