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Tuesday kickaround

*A referee supervisor says Jaime Moreno's goal for D.C. United against the Philadelphia Union, a play that began with goalkeeper Chris Seitz's blunder, should have been disallowed.

*MLS's U.S. Open Cup qualifying begins tonight with the Kansas City Wizards hosting the Colorado Rapids.

*My print edition story about D.C. United's friendly against AC Milan.

*Pele, commenting in the Daily Mail about Lionel Messi entering the ranks of the world's all-time greatest players: "He plays very well for Barcelona, but has failed to show his talent with the Argentina team. Maybe he can at the World Cup. Let's wait and see."

*Italy rests its World Cup hopes on the old guard.

*Read the Wall Street Journal's story about the French soccer-playing con artist.

*Americans abroad:
MF Alejandro Bedoya 90 minutes in Orebro's 2-0 loss to GAIS

*If you thought FC Dallas, with its distant suburban venue, had attendance problems, consider the Baltimore Orioles, a baseball team with 56 years of tradition that plays at a picturesque downtown ballpark: For Monday night's contest against the Tampa Bay Rays, the turnout was 9,129 -- the smallest in Camden Yards' 19-year history.

For the TV listings.....

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*Soccer on TV:
Spain, Valladolid-Sevilla 2 p.m. ET, DirecTV (Channel 456)
Italian Cup semifinals, Fiorentina-Inter Milan 2:45 p.m. GolTV
England, Chelsea-Bolton 3 p.m. ESPN2
Spain, Villarreal-Getafe 4 p.m. ESPN Deportes
Copa Libertadores, Quito-Cerro 6:30 p.m. Fox Sports Espanol
Copa Libertadores, Caracas-Universidad Chile 9:30 p.m. FSE

By Steve Goff  |  April 13, 2010; 9:13 AM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , Americans Abroad , Argentina , D.C. United , France , Italy , MLS , TV , U.S. Open Cup  | Tags: Colorado Rapids, D.C. United, FC Dallas, Jaime Moreno, Kansas City Wizards, Lionel Messi, Pele, Philadelphia Union, Soccer, World Cup  
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Comments

Tamberino said. “The goalkeeper needs to be free of interference..."

Bill Shankly said. "If a player is not interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage, then he should be."

That goal reminded me of Mario Gori's c 1997, when he sneaked up behind Kevin Hartman, who was distracted by his own ineptitude, and poked the ball in the goal.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 13, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Good story about the Frenchman. Have I heard it before? Unqualified trialist with no credentials bluffing way onto major stage, quickly falling short, but parlaying the stunt into a reality show and an autobiography, and hoping his "fame" will land him his next job. "In terms of marketing, I am someone very, very valuable," he says.

Oh yeah, that's the Sarah Palin story . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, that's the Sarah Palin story . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 9:28 AM
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I LOL'd...

Posted by: JkR- | April 13, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Seitz got his "6 or 7" seconds, and there was nothing preventing him from punting the ball... Seems to me Seitz makes a boneheaded move and puts the ball in play. Again, he could have shoved it in Jaime's face or complained himself of the encroachment. Instead he drops it on the ground and puts the ball in play.

Any comment on Dejan's red card?

Posted by: DadRyan | April 13, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

It's also the Obama story, only in this horror tale the con artist actually got the job.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Awesome! Peter Angelos deserves it, for destroying that team.

I've been reading a lot of press / highlights about Xavi, too -- it will be interesting to see how Messi does without him.

Posted by: Reignking | April 13, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

That is the first time in a while that a bad decision has gone for United. What was the last one that benefited us?

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 13, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Let's play nice guys, I heard she's an expert on nuke-ular weapons.

Posted by: PEddy | April 13, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

also, and i know i'll get some shtick for this, but baseball may be more boring than my blonde ex girlfriend

Posted by: SexyOffender | April 13, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

RK is right. Messi on his own is brilliant, but Xavi multiplies that exponentially.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | April 13, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Seitz got his "6 or 7" seconds, and there was nothing preventing him from punting the ball... Seems to me Seitz makes a boneheaded move and puts the ball in play. Again, he could have shoved it in Jaime's face or complained himself of the encroachment. Instead he drops it on the ground and puts the ball in play.

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Disagree here. Moreno was interfering (even if it was just initially a fake to pretend to disrupt/steal the punt by Seitz). Seitz has to protect himself and he's going to stop short on a punt/clearance attempt if he fears an injury (not knowing if Moreno is faking or indeed attempting to touch the mid-air/dropped ball within the GKs natural punting motion). The GK is entitled to free and clear efforts to punt/drop-kick the ball from within the 18-yard box.

Moreno's fake was interference and should have been blown dead (and carded) by the ref, had he seen it. The AR could/should have also stepped in to flag the unsporting play/interference by Moreno.

Posted by: tab5g1 | April 13, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Monday night in April before school is out? Fourth home game of the year? Non-descript Tampa Bay? No surpirse at that number.

Posted by: lgm6986 | April 13, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

@OWNTF: I love you Bro but please don't poison the water with the cheapshot politics.

@Ron16: Great comeback ( would have said the same thing if the sanppy comeback something similar, only reversed).

Hopefully we can go back to socce after I tell Reinking something.

@RK1: Yeah, Angelos screwed up the Birds BIGTIME. And it is going to take a while to get them back. But after getting rid of the the two headed monster who were "managing" the club and bringing in Andy Mac, I am optimistic. I have to be. The alternative leaves me depressed.

(And here we wind back to theme of soccer).

If only DC United has management that seemed to know what it was doing. Maybe Uncle Chang needs to make like Uncle Petey and sweep out his front office. Find guys that really know what they are doing, not a guy who just seems to throw blotches of paint at the wall, hoping and praying that in the end, it will be a "masterpiece" instead of looking like the freaking mess...

Posted by: yankiboy | April 13, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

@DadRyan

Of course there was no comment on the red card to Jakovic. I even emailed the league about players diving and received no response. I hope this doesn't come off as an ignorant comment, but Latin American soccer players love to dive and get the official to buy into it. Think about all the players in MLS who currently are known for diving or previously known for diving: Alejandra Moreno, Cienfuegos, Schelleto, and the ultimate flopper Carlos Ruiz. It is a fact that the best players in MLS are latin based and their style of play is full of drama queen divers like Mr. Moreno. Why would the league ostracize its best players? I find it ironic that Nowak calls out Freddy Ljungberg, but can't tell his own players not to dive. What a hypocrite!

Posted by: no_recess | April 13, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

no_recess, I don't think you are overstating it, as we have seen in the CONCACAF matches (both national teams and club).

I wonder if it is prevalent in those leagues, though (Mexico, Costa Rica, etc).

Posted by: Reignking | April 13, 2010 10:16 AM | Report abuse

Orioles baseball was never boring as described over the transistor radio by Chuck Thompson (RIP) or Jon Miller. Any long-time Orioles fan will tell you that the beginning of Angelos' slow-motion murder of the institution began with the Miller fiasco.

National Bo, National Bo
You'll like the taste of National Bo

Hey, maybe the Mid-Atlantic United will swap out the VW logo and slap the Natty Boh dude on the shirt.

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

Expert analysis of the Freedom game . . .

http://www.potomacsoccerwire.com/news/460/10751

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Hey--Conspiracy theorist here:

Why can't I get the video link to work?

Are they just picking on me coz I'm from B'more?

Or is it that they are trying to SILENCE the referee supervisor?

I am assigning OWNTF & RON16 to his security detail in case he suddenly comes up missing or his wife starts to claim that his behavior is atypical and erratic, that maybe he's not the SAME guy, but a doppleganger planted there by Donnie G and his henchmen...

Posted by: yankiboy | April 13, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of influential Barca players, Iniesta is out for a month.

He's only 25?!?!?! He looks 35-40.

Posted by: Reignking | April 13, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

The Orioles attendance is very relevant to United's and MLS's situation. Angelos hasn't put much money into the club (understatement of the year) so the novelty of a nice new stadium has worn off and people don't attend like they used to. Angelos can get away with it due to revenue sharing and of course the deal he made to let the Nats come to DC. He only cares about the $$.

With MLS being an extreme example of revenue sharing, there are some lessons there. Just having a nice stadium isn't enough, you actually have to have a quality product on the field (Dallas). And there may end up being a tendency for some teams (or owners i guess) to be complancent and not attempt to do a whole lot other than the minimum to get by.

DC specifically can't expect the glorious past to keep their fans supporting their team unless they actually pour some $$ into the team (stadium, players, coaches, etc.)

Posted by: Brian76 | April 13, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hey, maybe the Mid-Atlantic United will swap out the VW logo and slap the Natty Boh dude on the shirt.

Posted by: OWNTF
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Bro, I think that you are on to something with that: The team will be renamed the Baltimore Bohemian FC. The face of the Natty Bo Bro will replace the VW. After the game attendance is announced by the PA announcer, he will follow it up with a heartfelt, "Thank yous'all for comin' owwwwwt to support your Bawlmer Bohemian FC!!! Waytah go, Charm City!".

'Tino and I will get all choked up, cry massive tears which will then flow down the stadium floor stairs and out of the stadium. They will end up on the Light St. side of the Inner Harbor, Hon.

We will not be alone in being ovecome with emotion. Some of the Northen Virginian and DC based fans who post here who actually bother to continue to follow the team and make the trek up to what I affectionately refer to as the Muthaland will also break down and cry (only for different reasons)...

Posted by: yankiboy | April 13, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Monday night in April before school is out? Fourth home game of the year? Non-descript Tampa Bay? No surpirse at that number.

Posted by: lgm6986 | April 13, 2010 10:07 AM

I love attendance excuses, so funny. The only thing matters is winning - something Angelos hasn't managed in Baltimore in twelve years. Baltimore's attendance has gone down nearly every season since their last above .500 campaign.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BAL/attend.shtml

They used to get 40,000 against non-descript teams (the Rays are actually quite good, btw) on Monday nights with kids back in school. 9,000 is shocking and terrible for any Major League Baseball team.

Posted by: Kev29 | April 13, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, the O's had a huge streak of 20k+ going, so less than 10k is shocking.


yankiboy, you forgot to use "Hon" in your caricature.

Posted by: Reignking | April 13, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

For those of you that may be interested , ESPN980 has a pretty good promotion going with the Freedom. It's a buy one ticket get one ticket free offer. Details can be had at www.espn980.com.

Posted by: blackandred777 | April 13, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Interestingly, Pele failed to point out that Messi hasn't proved himself in the top soccer league...in the United States, either....yet.

I know everyone's giving Xavi lots of love for the through balls that are springing Messi and Pedro, but as I look at them they don't seem that difficult. Are Barca's front men benefiting from playing with Xavi, or is his rep benefiting from playing with talented finishers who have a keen tactical sense and consistently make great runs?

Want to see a truly, truly great through ball that looks like it has eyes to get through where no ball should? Check out Shalrie Joseph's pass that set up Schilawski's first goal this weekend. That's a big, jaw-dropping "Wow"! That dude is seriously underrated. Revs are lucky he chose not to play for the USA. If he had, European leagues would have taken serious notice of one of the best players in this region.

Orioles' attendance has been trending that way for years. What I found surprising is that they had their largest Opening Day crowd ever this year. I guess there are potential Os fans who wanted to give them a chance, but their hopes came crashing down really quickly. No one wants to keep shelling out money to go see a bad team. DC United's attendance will be pretty dismal this year, too.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh and i've been saying that about Messi for a while so its nice to hear it from others. It'll come down to what kind of midfield play they get and I just don't see veron, mascherano, gago or whoever playing anywhere close to xavi or fabregas. Riquelme maybe but i didnt think he was playing much for Argentine, then again i haven't really seen them a whole lot either. But with Messi and Higuain, thats a tough front line and all they need is a chance. Its gonna be a great world cup, i'm ready for it already!

Posted by: Brian76 | April 13, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I thought Jamie was off to the side of Seitz and just made a little feint at him.He wasn't blocking or interfering with his ability to put the ball back into play. Seitz is just not a very good GK. I have always thought him to be way over-rated.

That said, there is way too much interference that does go on. It's never punished because ultimately the GK is able to step around the guy and typically its to his advantage to not call it. But I do think a few yellow cards would take care of this problem.

Posted by: fedssocr | April 13, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

fischy, if I ever am able to see an MLSsoccer highlight, I might.

Posted by: Reignking | April 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

The irony about the O's is that Angelos has been a model owner ever since he handed the keys over to MacPhail. Angelos will be rewarded, if the experts are correct. Every single solitary baseball expert I've listened to this year has stated the O's are definitely going in the right direction but are a year or two away.

777-thanks for the Freedom update.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | April 13, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"Moreno's fake was interference and should have been blown dead (and carded) by the ref, had he seen it. The AR could/should have also stepped in to flag the unsporting play/interference by Moreno."

From FIFA rules of the game:

"If an opponent unfairly distracts or impedes the thrower:
• he is cautioned for unsporting behaviour"

If the game day referee deems that what Moreno did was unfair distraction he should give Moreno a card. If he didn't and still doesn't he should not have given Moreno a card. I watched the clip multiple times and it doesn't seem unfair to me if it does to anyone else I respect that. It is nice that a referee days later decides to make a decision and make the game day referee look bad but his opinion in the grand scheme of fair play is a bit irrelevant in my opinion. Also once the ball is placed on the ground it is deemed in play. The goalie does not have 6 to 7 seconds to do whatever he/she wants. With that comment from the so called expert referee I immediately disregarded all of his other analysis.

Posted by: csd1 | April 13, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

"I went to clear the ball, he took a jab at me, stepped in front of me, and I was caught between two lines," Seitz told the Philadelphia Inquirer.

Moreno did not step in front of him until the ball was placed on the ground. Moreno was at his side the whole time the ball was in his hands.

Posted by: csd1 | April 13, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Messi should consider himself lucky that Pele didn't hail him, it means he'll probably go on and have a great world cup.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | April 13, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Fischy: I agree Xavi benefits from playing with tremendous strikers both on Barca and Spain, but i guess the thing is he does it with both and Messi hasn't with Argentina, hence the question of Messi needing Xavi more than vice versa. Hopefully we'll see some electric play from Messi in the WC (just not against Spain).

I totally agree with Joseph, he could definitely make it anywhere in Europe. I remember one game against DC and he played up top (if i remember correctly) because NE had no other forwards and he played great...one of those times that you usually see only in little league or high school where he's the best player on the field no matter the position he's playing at.

Posted by: Brian76 | April 13, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

fischy:

Xavi puts himself in spots where he can make what look like easy passes. He's able to figure out where people are going to be, on both teams, and puts himself in spaces to exploit what will happen, rather than having to squeeze passes through tight spots every time.

I'm sure Xavi benefits from playing with guys that can think on the same level as him, but take away Messi, Ibra, and Henry, and their forwards are kids. Pedro and Bojan are too young to be quite so perceptive, so Xavi has to do a lot to make things look so easy.

Posted by: Chest_Rockwell | April 13, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I defer to Chest.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

@Reinking: Yous needz to go back and re-read the post.

It was there:

"They will end up on the Light St. side of the Inner Harbor, Hon."

Posted by: yankiboy | April 13, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

fischy, if I ever am able to see an MLSsoccer highlight, I might.
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if you have not tried it yet, the MLS site is now offering 20-min game summaries. Still hard to get them to load up sometimes but I do think MLS is making the needed fixes for the site.

Posted by: DCB23 | April 13, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

We have a friend from Eindhoven who is an avid PSV and Holland fan. One spring she was visiting us and wanted to see "an American sporting event." This was before the Nats, so we drove up to Baltimore to see the O's play. After three innings she asked: Does anything ever happen? After six scoreless innings she said: If we're only here because of me, we can go now.

Nattie Bo-ring!

Posted by: BlackandRedRedDevil | April 13, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

"If only DC United has management that seemed to know what it was doing. Maybe Uncle Chang needs to make like Uncle Petey and sweep out his front office. Find guys that really know what they are doing, not a guy who just seems to throw blotches of paint at the wall, hoping and praying that in the end, it will be a "masterpiece" instead of looking like the freaking mess...
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Start with Payne...so poisonous and WAY past his prime...

Posted by: LCR-54 | April 13, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It's also the Obama story, only in this horror tale the con artist actually got the job.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 9:42 AM
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+1

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Red cards shown to Ron and Rand.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Sorry, soccer fans and baseball fans should be on the same team when it comes to the "boring" debate. Both sports have their days when a drab match-up is served up to the customers -- it's the risk undertaken when the sports themselves are based around strategy and thinking (which are of course the main reasons I am such a big fan of both).

Posted by: mjhoya12 | April 13, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

It's also the Obama story, only in this horror tale the con artist actually got the job.
Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 9:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
B-b-b-b-b-b-b-ingo!

Or is is it Booyah? :-)

Posted by: Stabaek_Kofie | April 13, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

You're only bored if you're boring, or if you're not drinking.

Posted by: Kev29 | April 13, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

The same thing happened at World Cup to the English goalie, Peter Shilton, who failed to see the fellow standing next to him in the box was the opposing team. It stood and England lost.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | April 13, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Akcelrod? Isn't Kasper planning on bringing him in as a trailist? I hear Onalfo thinks he is a heck of a playmaker.

Posted by: LostinPotomac | April 13, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Alright. I've about had it with these jerks. I promise to keep politicians out of it, but the numbnuts can't help themselves with their juvenile fun. Yeah, the guy who was President of the Harvard Law Review, taught constitutional law at one of the best (and the most notoriously conservative) law schools in the country, was a state legislator representing one of the most educated urban districts in the country, ran for Congress, was elected Senator in one of the most populous states in the country, and received way more votes for President than any prior candidate -- that guy is totally unqualified...and everybody agrees with you. That is what's known on the 'net as a@@hattery.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Hard to tell what's more obnoxious or annoying on this blog: Sore Loser Republican conspiracy theorists, or Sounders fans?

Posted by: DadRyan | April 13, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

When I saw the story about the impostor I thought of George Plimpton. Perhaps that places me in the older generation.

Posted by: universityandpark | April 13, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Shilton put the ball on the ground so he could kick it goal kick style..like many keepers do. That's not an accurate comparision..the ball was completely out of his control.

Sietz is an idiot...if I'm up 2-1, late in the game and a striker is doing that to me...I'm not kicking the ball. I'm "time wasting" by calling the refs attention to it. He could have made an "attempt" to kick..stopped..and waved at the linesman or at least pretended to be annoyed by Moreno's "interference". Sietz is dumb...like most young goalkeepers...and wasn't paying attention to what was happening around him.

Posted by: matthewjfyoungs | April 13, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I'd also love to psychoanalyze that "Booyah" comment.

Fear of a Black Planet?

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Ah, Fischy, I know it's hard, and I'm the last one to resist diving in head first with a bucket full of chum, but yikes . . . although I wholeheartedly agree with you. The only con artists here are the GOP, faux Tea Partiers and FOX "Correspondents" who blend together like to form a steaming pile of melena. Oops, here I go again. Where's my hook?

Posted by: delantero | April 13, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

I have an Argentine friend that loves to say that about Messi "he hasn't done much for the national team" My response "maybe it's because they have a clown for a coach"
He also likes to say that Messi just doesn't fit the Argentine system...uhhh...a smart coach would fit the system to Messi.

Posted by: matthewjfyoungs | April 13, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

This isn't complicated. The original post had some humor to it. The comebacks always look pathetic.

For the soccer tie in, the ref always Cards the retaliatory foul.

Posted by: JkR- | April 13, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@delantero -- Now, they're proposing state militias to resist federal legislation. If they want to secede, I say let 'em go. They can have Texas and Oklahoma. Morons.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Racist morons. Jefferson Davis in the 1860s. George Wallace in the 1960s. Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh in the 21st Century.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

there are no winners when politics invades the comments section of this blog. i'd prefer to maintain the illusion that most of us are smart enough to realize that the "my ideology is superior to your ideology" argument is best to left to the less savory parts of the internet.

@no_recess - "Latin American soccer players love to dive and get the official to buy into it."

i'm not disagreeing per se, but have you ever watched a Serie A game? those guys know how to dive. also, watching Jozy play for Hull recently, it's clear that he has been working on the drawing fouls/diving part of his game. it's fairly prevalent in just about any league you can name and hardly restricted to Latin players.

Posted by: dimesmakedollars | April 13, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Universityandpark: I remember the "Paper Lion." I guess AARP membership awaits us in the near future.

Posted by: dcarmy | April 13, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@dad and fischy: you should be thankful for our contributions! We serve as important reminders that not everyone subscribes to your ways.

And fischy, be careful which states you want to secede -- those you mention include many of those in the 53 percent who actually pay taxes. You may hate us right-wingers, but since we supposedly "make all the money," you need us to pay for your government programs.

And your bike trails, DudeRyan!

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Know what, Rand? There are all sorts of taxes and also various user and license fees. It's a myth that some huge slice of this country doesn't pay taxes or otherwise help fund the gov't and public services.

I know there are plenty of people who disagree with me, but I thought we'd agreed to keep it out of this blog.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"@delantero -- Now, they're proposing state militias to resist federal legislation"

Super. Lest they forget that progressives like me are armed too. Went to a gun show last month, actually, and helped spontaneously treat a Vet without health insurance. His elbow was swollen to a grapefruit size. . in the corner was a Republican candidate sitting at a table quietly mouthing on about "socialist medicine." Steaming pile of melena!!

That's it, I'm out!

Posted by: delantero | April 13, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

A funnny thing happened when I went to lunch...

Politics ruined the thread. Again.

Oh well. I'm about to get my 'boycott' on.

Check y'all out in another thread or tomorrow.

Exit: Stage Left (or Right or Middle of the road, blah, blah, blah--whichever you prefer).

Posted by: yankiboy | April 13, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

I have a policy -- I don't bring it up, unless someone brings it up first. The supposed frustration only comes up when someone from the right -- usually me -- responds to an attack on the right.

Well, get over it. I'll take the yellow and red cards for retaliation -- I've had a few of each on the pitch -- but retaliate I will. If you don't commit the originial foul, then I stay on my feet and delay and contain.

But if you come out with a cheap shot, I'm coming in hard, cleats up. Every time.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Getting back to soccer -- Harris County Commissioners signed off on the Dynamo stadium deal. I still think it's incredibly short-sighted and stupid to share the stadium with a college football team. The Dynamo must be thrilled to be getting their stadium, but they'll live to regret bringing Texas Southern football into the deal -- for a one-time $1.5 million payment that probably won't come close to covering the damage to the turf over even the first 10 years. Unless, they're planning on play on plastic...

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's neither here nor there--and maybe it's wrong, but aren't the club teams these days (at least the Barca's of the world) better than the national sides of any one country? And wasn't that the opposite in Pele's time? That makes the comparison a little weird. Messi clearly has excelled against some of the best teams, even if he doesn't excel in Argentina's games, isn't he still probably one of the best players of all time?

Posted by: TwoIsle | April 13, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@matthewjfyoungs excellent comment. The group I was with at the Linc spent the time after Seitz' move explaining to all the young players with us that he is an idiot and missed a chance to waste another 30 seconds or so instead of bouncing it around like it was team handball or something.

RE: Politics. Can you keep it out of here, PLEASE? it was one of my last refuges from the junk found on most sites.

Posted by: lrg123123 | April 13, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I bought a "Don't Tread on Me" T-shirt w the rattlesnake flag years ago at federally funded and operated Valley Forge National Park. Does that make me a crazy teabagger, or someone dependent on federal welfare, or both?

I agree with UnitedDemon's assessment about Pele's evaluation of Messi. It's much better luck to be on the wrong side of Pele's pre-World Cup predictions.

Maybe O Rei Pele is trying to guarantee a standout performance by Messi.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | April 13, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

@Rand -- Making fun of Sarah Palin isn't an "attack on the right". She's a moron, and only morons take her seriously. So, it was an attack, it was an attack on morons.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Bike trails!?! I don't need no stinkin' bike trails...

Posted by: DadRyan | April 13, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Funny how those decrying the interjection of politics into the blog comments have had exactly nothing to say to OWNTF who started it. So OWNTF, and fischy, and the rest of you who so frequently start such lines of discussion with your leftist broadsides, if you don't want to read opposing political views, then keep yours to yourself in the first place.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

"I thought Jamie was off to the side of Seitz and just made a little feint at him.He wasn't blocking or interfering with his ability to put the ball back into play. Seitz is just not a very good GK. I have always thought him to be way over-rated."

Guys, Vaughn misapplied the rules in this case. With the red card, he made a judgement call-- a poor one IMO but a judgement call nonetheless.

Moreno feinted from the side right at the point when he couldn't pull the ball back, and Seitz bailed out on his kick. Had Moreno followed through, Seitz could well have injured himself. It may have been a crafty veteran's play, but it was also clearly intended to interfere with Seitz' kick. I'm not crying crocodile tears about this, but Moreno has always been a pretty classy player (e.g., not a diver), and my opinion of him has dropped.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 13, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I have always thought that a collateral benefit of being a soccer fan was that it was a rebuke to American exceptionalism. Oh well, no more.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 13, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

didn't Sarah Palin retire from politics to become an author/commentator/reality tv star? would there have been this much banter had OWNTF said "Kate Gosselin" instead? everyone needs to get a grip and stop being so hypersensitive. this is a soccer blog, with a side of snark.

Posted by: VTUnited | April 13, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Me? Leftist broadside?

Anyway, no more politics, fine by me.

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

@VTUnted: Fine, as long as you realize the snark can come from any point in the political spectrum.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@Ron -- OWNTF made a wry observation about a truly ridiculous public figure -- a comedic figure. Like making a Dan Quayle joke. It's not a political joke, except that it reveals how far you can get in our politics with nothing between your ears, if you're good-looking.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

it reveals how far you can get in our politics with nothing between your ears, if you're good-looking.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

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Wait, I thought Henry Waxman demonstrated that.

Oh, dang, OK no more politics starting NOW.

Posted by: OWNTF | April 13, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

you who so frequently start such lines of discussion with your leftist broadsides, if you don't want to read opposing political views, then keep yours to yourself in the first place.

Posted by: Ron16
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+1

Posted by: troy6 | April 13, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

If you want to make a joke about Biden's hair-plugs, have at it. The rule is is has to be funny and smart. Asinine suggestions that one of the brightest men to ever serve as President isn't qualified are neither funny nor smart.

Posted by: fischy | April 13, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Ron16 - my point was that she has moved out of the "political spectrum" and almost into the realm of pop culture.

Posted by: VTUnited | April 13, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

RE: Politics. Can you keep it out of here, PLEASE? it was one of my last refuges from the junk found on most sites.

Posted by: lrg123123
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Ignore them. They are proving just how different they are from each other. Not much.

Posted by: prokaryote | April 13, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Aaaaaaaaanyway, I thought Pele's statement about Messi sounded self-serving and arrogant.

On Baltimore's baseball attendance, I think team officials would respond with the stock "The economy is down, it was a Monday night, and school is still in session". And, they'd have a point. Plus, all the Orioles have to do is play *halfway decent* baseball and their attendance will be fine.

FC Dallas, on the other hand, is twisting in the wind. Good team or bad team, their attendance is horrible, and if things continue (and likely they will, the team has been pretty much written off by the soccer press & community down there) the league is going to have to step in and pull the plug.

Posted by: Ron16 | April 13, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Good story about the Frenchman. Have I heard it before? Unqualified trialist with no credentials bluffing way onto major stage, quickly falling short, but parlaying the stunt into a reality show and an autobiography, and hoping his "fame" will land him his next job. "In terms of marketing, I am someone very, very valuable," he says.

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It would have been the Rush Limbaugh story but ESPN thankfully fired him.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | April 13, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

OK, as a make up call, OWNTF has to make fun of Pelosi.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 13, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

OK, as a make up call, OWNTF has to make fun of Pelosi.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 13, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

The fact that it was OWNTF who brought up Palin is what makes this whole thread so terribly tragic . . . frequent readers know that he is a right-ish guy poking fun at his right-ish brethren. Like me making fun of Dennis Kucinich. So there was no foul. But then Ron16 had to run with it . . . come on, people, now . . .

Posted by: fallschurch1 | April 13, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is life, life is politics, soccer is politics.
We can't stop the Tea Party lunatics from crashiing the discussion board - their ignorance and anger is startlingly and revealing, and most significantly, a healthy reminder that backward ideas -- like the Virginia Governor honoring the slave-owning Confederacy in the 21st Century -- are alwayse there, ready to be resurrected by the con men like Limabaugh, Beck, Hannity and Gingrich. Sad.

Posted by: dcpsycho | April 13, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

maybe Ron16 is short for RonPaul2016...think about it...or not.

and dcspsycho, you cant mention that group without throwing in the Keith Olbermans of the world too. personally, I decided a long time ago not to take political advice from failed radio DJs or sports anchors.

Posted by: VTUnited | April 13, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Dear Paul T. -

If you want to fix the problem, address it (and all the others - like DIVING) when they occur, not just when a goal is scored. Interference goes on all the time. This is the first time, it has been addressed.

With comments like yours from the referee supervisors, no wonder the officiating is such a mess.

Posted by: carnack | April 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

VT united - spare me the false equivalency, i.e. "left is bad as right" nonsense. Olbermann, for all his overheated "comments" is fact-based in his arguments - like them or not. Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the ilk make sh-t up on a daily basis to support their backward ideas. That "plague on both your houses" mantra is a thought-terminating cliche that avoids real analysis. There is a difference between Fox news and the reality-based community.

And by the way, DCU sucks, and its killing me.

Posted by: dcpsycho | April 13, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

dcpsycho = Rahm Emmanuel?

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

VT united - spare me the false equivalency, i.e. "left is bad as right" nonsense. Olbermann, for all his overheated "comments" is fact-based in his arguments - like them or not. Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the ilk make sh-t up on a daily basis to support their backward ideas. That "plague on both your houses" mantra is a thought-terminating cliche that avoids real analysis. There is a difference between Fox news and the reality-based community.

And by the way, DCU sucks, and its killing me.

Posted by: dcpsycho | April 13, 2010 2:28
PM | Report abuse

There is truth in his comments. Particularly with regards to Beck. Olbermann may be way to the left but he doesn't tinker with the facts. I certainly can't dispute the DCU comment right now.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 13, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

VT united - spare me the false equivalency, i.e. "left is bad as right" nonsense. Olbermann, for all his overheated "comments" is fact-based in his arguments - like them or not. Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and the ilk make sh-t up on a daily basis to support their backward ideas. That "plague on both your houses" mantra is a thought-terminating cliche that avoids real analysis. There is a difference between Fox news and the reality-based community.

And by the way, DCU sucks, and its killing me.

Posted by: dcpsycho | April 13, 2010 2:28
PM | Report abuse

There is truth in his comments. Particularly with regards to Beck who recently compared himself to Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks? Olbermann may be way to the left but he doesn't tinker with the facts. I certainly can't dispute the DCU comment right now.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 13, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Weird. It posted twice but not everything is in the first post. This blog is acting funny lately. It has also repeatedly posted words twice within a sentence.

Posted by: croftonpost | April 13, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

CroftonPost and dcpsycho: so YOU are the two guys who watch Olbermann!

And Keith's mom makes three...

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

My political analyst is better than your political analyst because he/she says what I already believe to be true. Your analyst doesn't use facts, because I don't agree with his/her use of facts in a way that is different from what I already believe to be correct.

Politics is awesome.

Posted by: elopingcamel | April 13, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Moreno clearly faked that he was going to interrupt the kick. Goal should have been disallowed and Moreno should have been carded. I was surprised the ref allowed it.

I agree with the earlier poster - anytime someone messes around when a goalie is punting there should be a foul called.

But, then again, anytime a team closes in around a ref and screams at him for a call everyone in the bunch should be carded for dissent. But, that never happens.....

Posted by: hacksaw | April 13, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

When I saw the story about the impostor I thought of George Plimpton. Perhaps that places me in the older generation.

In MY opinion, three words sum up Plimpton's best effort ever: "Hayden (Sidd) Finch." :)

Posted by: SportzNut21 | April 13, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | April 13, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

CroftonPost and dcpsycho: so YOU are the two guys who watch Olbermann!

And Keith's mom makes three...

His dad just died, so it was at least four for awhile. Classy dude!

Posted by: dcpsycho | April 13, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Read the Wall Street Journal's story about the French soccer-playing con artist.
By Steve Goff | April 13, 2010; 9:13 AM ET

Come to RFK and watch the Aussie soccer-playing con artist.

From the DC United press release: "The 31-year old has an impressive resume, having played at the highest level for Manchester City in England."

One game, that is.

Internet video of him supposedly scoring.

Signed for a team in Dubai (he hardly ever played for).

This wasn't even a case of a team almost signing a fraud, it actually has happened in MLS.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | April 13, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

"The same thing happened at World Cup to the English goalie, Peter Shilton, who failed to see the fellow standing next to him in the box was the opposing team. It stood and England lost."

Except Shilton wasn't reacting to someone threatening his leg with their cleats. Bad comparison, and nasty work from Jaime.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 13, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

To say that Jaime put Seitz at risk for injury is ludicrous. Seitz was in control, he just didn't know it. But this argument really comes down to whether your a DC fan or not. I'd make an analogy to the 2000 Presidential Election decision by a split Supremem Court, but we all know where that would take us (ZIP IT fischy and Rand-al-Thor).

If you're a DC fan, then you think that Jaime pressured a naive GK into screwing up. If you're not a DC fan then you think that Jaime interfered and should be carded. We will never resolve this and must agree to disagree.

Every sport has gamesmanship within it. I'm sure Atlanta Braves fans are still angry at Kent Hrbek for "pulling" their runner off the base in the 91 World Series (Game 6?). If you're arguing for post-match sanctioning, you must include all dives, pushes, and jersey pulling.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 13, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

1. nelow = below
2. I think it was Game 2 of the 91 series.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | April 13, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

If you're a DC fan, then you think that Jaime pressured a naive GK into screwing up. If you're not a DC fan then you think that Jaime interfered and should be carded. We will never resolve this and must agree to disagree.

Uh, wrong. US Soccer's Director of Referee Development said it's a foul and no goal. Referees will be expected to rule that type of play as interference.

It's not a matter of opinion: it was a bad call because the guy who decides about bad calls said it was a bad call. QED.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | April 14, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

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