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U.S. soccer poll: Do you agree with the Findley selection?

By Matt Bonesteel  |  May 26, 2010; 2:15 PM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup  
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This poll really needs a "Don't care - He's the 23rd man" option.

Posted by: mason08 | May 26, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

If he didn't go, could I foresee Bradley saying to himself "I wish Findley were here"? Nope.

Can I foresee Bradley saying to himself "I wish ching were here"? Yes, absolutely. Ten times absolutely if Altidore gets injured.

Posted by: teo_68 | May 26, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

C. Who cares, he'll never play

Posted by: McBride33 | May 26, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

I kinda get it, but Davies had speed and finishing tenacity so it's not a one for one. Ching had experience and a good eye for finding the opportunity.

Posted by: DCU-ATL | May 26, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Can I foresee Bradley saying to himself "I wish ching were here"? Yes, absolutely. Ten times absolutely if Altidore gets injured.

I'd argue that the question in flawed. The choice was really Ching vs. Buddle to be the back-up for Altidore as target striker. And yes, Buddle was the right choice.

The Findley choice is really about pace and versatility. From the scuttlebutt, it sounds he had a monster training camp, and is in strong form. If we're chasing a game, defenders are going play up high and smother Altidore. Findley would allow us to lengthen the field and give our attack more room. If Findley is a replacement for anyone, it's not Ching, but Davies.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | May 26, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

mason08, that's my answer.

Posted by: Reignking | May 26, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Findley is a big waste of space. Unless Ching reinjured his hammy, he should be on that plane. oh well.

Posted by: Mig18 | May 26, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What if the selection of Robbie Findley is Bradley's super top secret plan to get Charlie Davies on the roster.

Robbie Findley plays this weekend against Turkey and then gets 'injured'. Bradley comes out and says that Chucky Deezy is now farther along and selects him to the 23.

What are the internets for, if not for crazy conspiracy theories?

Posted by: osgoodfan | May 26, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

A quick follow up. The US MNT has made huge improvements over the last four years but we are still very, very weak up top. The big damage was done with Davies accident. In that way I don't think it makes a big difference who Bradly picks.

Posted by: DCU-ATL | May 26, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

yes. one word dictates my answer: hamstring.

Posted by: nairbsod | May 26, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Needs another question re: Bornstein and whether he should have been chosen at all.

Posted by: Juan-John1 | May 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Robbie at RSL is a second-half game-changer because of his speed. That could make him a valuable weapon if the US needs a late goal. He can be a handful for the potted-plant defenders, the big donkeys that some teams have. Moreover, he'll be a good challenge for our defenders in training. I think he's a great selection.

Don't be so sure he won't play. He was one of RSL's best weapons; all the effete east coast snobs don't know that team too well because of the time difference and the lack of media exposure.

Also, why a poll that singles him out like this? I just don't think he needs to read if a majority of fans thinks his selection is mistake.

Posted by: lgm6986 | May 26, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

This isn't the question I would answer. Replacing Findley with Ching doesn't make much sense.

I have several questions for Bob, however. DId we just take five forwards, or is Dempsey a midfielder? What are his plans for the wings? We have a solid midfield contingent, but one that doesn't answer a lot of questions. I would rather know who we're going to play than have a bunch of utility that might actually get in the way.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | May 26, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse


All of us were hoping that Findley or Cunningham would step up earlier this year. Neither of them ever did. Against Holland, Findley ran down a few long balls and then lost possession the moment he was pressured. He doesn't have the finishing touch of any of the other strikers, and the best defenders have seen players with nothing but speed. There's nothing effete about this analysis, and we have seen Findley play, hence the hope it would translate. It doesn't.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | May 26, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

if he's there as the "speed guy" then it presumes he will indeed see the field. and when it comes to seeing the field, I'd rather have Ching or bring an extra midfielder and have Donovan or Dempsey move up top.

Posted by: troy6 | May 26, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I tell you the hate on the Internets is pretty thick these days. Findley is young and will light it up someday. Hopefully it is at this World Cup, you never know. Until Charlie started becoming a serious threat for us, he also just brought speed to the team. Charlie was a late sub to stretch defenses or keep them honest, and after a few chances he became the mainstay that we all croon over. I remember when Charlie used to blow his chances too.

Findley is no Davies but he is one of the yanks that is going to represent us. He is young and still learning his trade. We all have to start somewhere. BB sees something that we - who just saw one game (last night) - aren't privvy to or have the soccer sense or qualification to recognize or understand. This may also explain Chings exclusion. BB's got a plan and is taking the guys who he thinks will help execute it.

I know he just plays in the lowly MLS and all, but Findley has the tools and age is on his side. This exposure can only help him and the USMNT whether it be in SA or in the long run. Perhaps he too might catch his spark pretty soon so that we may start crooning over him in the next cycle and hate BB or whatever coach that dares to bring in the next unknown to camp.

Posted by: Kosh2 | May 26, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Ha. Any one out there remember Jimmie "Oops" Hines without googling him? Renaldo Nehemiah?

It is not speed (alone) that kills, "skills kill".

Posted by: OWNTF | May 26, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Ching has always been the Great White Hope for the US Men's team. He seems to get a lot of call ups due to his size, but he is not Brian McBride. I'd take the unknown with speed any day over a 30-something forward who is coming off a bad hammy and has missed more wide open goals in international games. Fast is fast, size can be easily overcome (see the Czech Republic's first goal from last night).

Posted by: biga116 | May 26, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Has anyone heard why Findley did not play last night? That is in part why this choice is puzzling; if Bradley was going to take him, and he was healthy, how come he never got off the bench?

Otherwise, I can see Bradley's reasoning. Perhaps he was nervous that Ching would be to 2010 what Agoos was to 2002 and Reyna to 2006 -- a once impressive player whom the game has passed by due to age and injuries.

Posted by: jofij | May 26, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Scenario: Tim Howard gets tossed for handling the ball outside of the box in win over England. Marcus steps in, turns his ankle in the closing minutes after he's upended by Rooney. Bradley turns to Guzan.

OT: @Reignking: I'm a couple episodes behind on "Chuck." Are they good?

"Burn Notice" starts up in a week or two...

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | May 26, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I had to postpone the last two of Chuck, too. Even the finale, which is tough...

Posted by: Reignking | May 26, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Ching held the ball well, got fouled in good places, and made some awesome backheel/firsttouch passes last night. I dont think he could have done much more to show why he's worthwhile. sigh.

Posted by: crocken | May 26, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Kosh2: well put.

Posted by: nairbsod | May 26, 2010 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Wrong question. It should have been Ching, Gomez, or Buddle. Ching needs a speedy partner, so Findley was going anyway if Ching was included. I suspect Gomez' performance last night was the final nail in Ching's coffin.

Posted by: Eric_in_Baltimore | May 26, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Robbie didn't play last night because Bob had already decided he made the team and he needed to show the field to players about whom he still had questions.

Posted by: lgm6986 | May 26, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well put lgm6986. RSL has got something good going on out there. And I'd have been happy to see Beckerman come along for the WC ride too!

Posted by: ByBike | May 26, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

OK. Of the 23 man roster, who is sleeping with whose wife/GF/Babymomma?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Past the top 18 you need tools and flexibility. Findley provides speed. Ching adds nothing new.

Posted by: NoVAIndependent | May 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Why do some people seem to think Edson Buddle is a target striker? Did you watch the game last night? He turned the corner several times in the first half. When was the last time you saw a target striker, even a versatile and athletic one like Altidore, turn a corner and torch the left back? I can't recall such an instance from a big man. No, Buddle is more of a speed option, but he's not necessarily a speed forward. He's versatile, and that's why I like his selection. He has a nose for goal, speed, and can hold up play enough to MIMIC a target striker (which doesn't actually MAKE him one). I'd love to see Altidore paired up with Buddle at the start of the game, and then see Gomez come on for one of them, probably Buddle, in about the 60th.

Or, we could just play Deuce up top. I'm fine with that, too.

Posted by: kdiff813 | May 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Ching can draw fouls better than anyone we have up top. Tactically this will be missed when none of our forwards get any calls. Most of our run to the cup relied on set pieces, Ching is instrumental to our system.

Posted by: kbrtx | May 26, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that Bradley plans on playing Duece or Donovan up top a lot too. Not sure that's the way to go, they're both better in the midfield/wing. Might just be that "best athlete available in the draft" option.

Posted by: harkes4ever | May 26, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

I-270 - The answer is always Delonte West. He's the super secret 23rd man.

The Findley pick caught me off guard, but the more I think about it the more I understand. My guess is that Findley was picked more for the Algeria and Slovenia games than for the England game or any knockouts. I've been following the scouting reports on both Algeria and Slovenia and I've never seen anything about the pace of their back lines. If we are late in a game and need a goal, Findley provides an option that Ching wouldn't.
Even though Findley had the ball nicked from his foot against the Netherlands, neither Algeria nor Slovenia have the same level of defenders.
I thought Ching played well last night, but his fate may have been decided when he just could not find that extra gear to get to the long ball.

Posted by: ComoPark | May 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse


You echo my thoughts about Findley having potential that may yet be revealed, and about Davies' value having soared beyond reason simply because of "what might have been". Obviously Davies proved himself last year in several situations, but he was riding pine until the Confed. Cup, and then became a revelation. Admittedly, the last time I watched Findley with RSL, his ball skills did not impress me. Something will hopefully happen to change that, and of course we all hope that this call-up is sufficient motivation.

This brings back a question that's been bugging me for months: How to choose between players who are on form, or who appear to be in the ascendency, versus players who have established themselves or who have a good track record over the course of qualifying. It seems that Buddle fits the first part of that question, and Gooch is now an example of the second part.

Posted by: BaltoFan | May 26, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Why isn't Giuseppe Rossi on the roster?

(diving under desk)

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 26, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Those who say that Findley is the 23rd man are SO wrong. And no, I'm not a big fan of Findley. Here's my thinking....

There will be some games (other team is pressing for a goal, other team's defenders have heavy legs) where we want an injection of speed--pure speed. That's Findley. I can actually see Findley playing in all 3 preliminary games--but only if we got the lead or the other team was chasing the ball (we could play for a tie and they needed a win).

I don't think Findley is an international class player or that he's having a good season. I just think that out of the speed options, he was the best that we have. I think that if a forward or two got hurt, we'd see Dempsey slide up top before we saw Findley get major minutes. But as a tactical sub (much like Bora used Cobi Jones in "94), absolutely Findley sees minutes--if the right situation emerges.

Choosing between Ching and Findley is a false choice. I think it's more accurate to say that BB chose between Ching and Buddle. Here's my thinking. Altidore starts. So who plays with Altidore? No Ching--that frontline would be too immobile. Probably Herculez Gomez, maybe Dempsey, maybe even Buddle (who isn't the pure target man Ching is but has more technical ability, more speed and is a better goal scorer at this point). I think in Ching's case, what it came down to was:
--he has had hamstring problems and BB probably considered that as a possible factor
--he's not "in-form" while Gomez and Buddle are
--he's not likely to start.
This leaves the team without a really good aerial threat which is an issue since so many of our goals come via restarts. But it seems like BB is designing a team to play counter-attacking soccer (which suits Altidore and Gomez and Findley just fine).

Posted by: JoeW1 | May 26, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Who cares! Full 100% Support to all the boys "Over there, over there,

Send the word, send the word over there
That the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming
The drums rum-tumming everywhere.

So prepare, say a prayer,
Send the word, send the word to beware -

We'll be over, we're coming over,
And we won't come back till it's over, over there. "

Posted by: delantero | May 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Amen delantero.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 26, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Sheesh people, enough of the doomsaying over Findley. Bradley takes junk for being conservative and sticking with guys too long and playing favorites and starting predictably non-dynamic lineups.

Now he's put together the quickest, most dynamic group of 23 Americans ever assembled on a pitch and everybody's crying for a lovable but limited (and recently injured) target forward—basically 85% of Brian McBride.

Three months ago we were all petrified that we we'd see one of Ching and Casey starting, with the other warming up to enter in the 61st minute.

Are there holes on this team? Sure, we could totally crap out of the group stage. But that has everything to do with injuries on the back line and, well, on the GW Parkway. It has nothing to do with Findley over Ching.

I-270, can you do that sky is falling graphic thingy again?

Posted by: benonthehill | May 26, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Ching has always been the Great White Hope for the US Men's team. He seems to get a lot of call ups due to his size, but he is not Brian McBride. I'd take the unknown with speed any day over a 30-something forward who is coming off a bad hammy and has missed more wide open goals in international games.

Posted by: biga116 | May 26, 2010 3:13 PM

I totally agree. "I knew Brian McBride and you sir are no Brian McBride."

Ching has always struggled against top notch International competition and I'm not just talking about putting the ball in the net, I'm talking about competing for balls against tough defenders and winning posession for the U.S.

I can't help but see the image in my head of McBride when he forced that red card against Italy and just thinking that Ching
probably would not even agressively go after that same ball.

Posted by: SportzWiz | May 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

From a chat with Boaca at ESPN:

Josh (Ohio)

What forwards have been the most impressive in camp so far? How have Gomez and Buddle looked?

Carlos Bocanegra (11:10 AM)

They've all looked really good. They're hungry, working hard, scoring goals. All of the forwards up top, they've been doing well in training and making our lives difficult as defenders. I'm hoping that Finley will be one of the surprises of the tournament. I think he's got something special to take guys on one on one.

I'm an RSL fan and know Robbie Finley...class guy and will help the USA more than folks are giving him credit for...just my two cents worth...

Posted by: Shark21 | May 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Findley will never play if we need a goal (I find it hard to believe he'll play under any circumstance, actually). He will only be considered during defensive stretches where we're holding a lead and need a speed option to pressure defenders and take advantage of a high defensive line.

That said, I still disagree with his choice. I'd honestly rather have Rogers or Adu take that role of either (A) speed option, or (B) counter-attacking option late in games.

I find it highly unlikely that Findley dresses for any of the matches, barring a number of injuries and/or suspensions. This should end up being much ado about nothing.

Posted by: psps23 | May 26, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Also, why a poll that singles him out like this? I just don't think he needs to read if a majority of fans thinks his selection is mistake.

Careful there are a lot of Goff votes in the room... ;)

Posted by: UniteforDC | May 26, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

lgm6986: "Also, why a poll that singles him out like this? I just don't think he needs to read if a majority of fans thinks his selection is mistake."

Careful lgm6986 there are a lot of Goff votes in the room... ;)

Posted by: UniteforDC | May 26, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Findley can, occasionally, surprise with his touch.

It's in there, somewhere, maybe they've figured out how to tease it out of him consistently.

Posted by: salecanard | May 26, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

I would have chosen Ching, not Findley, for the final roster spot.

But if the US team in South Africa gets an important goal from Findley, from the Hand of God, or even from the Cloven Hoof of Satan - I will rejoice mightily.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | May 26, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I think JoeW1 got it just right with his post from 4:21 Pm today.

Posted by: WorldCup | May 26, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Would have liked to see Ching there. But Dempsey is going to have to play up front too, not in midfield!

Posted by: tfshea | May 26, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

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