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Thursday kickaround

*My look at the U.S. World Cup roster selections focuses on the forwards.

*Liz Clarke's profile of Jozy Altidore.

*What the front page of The Post's Sports section looks like.

*After correctly predicting 29 of the 30 players invited to U.S. training camp two weeks ago (Robbie Rogers instead of Charlie Davies), I was right on 22 of 23 for the final roster (Robbie Findley instead of Brian Ching). Those pesky Robbies!

*Turkey, the Americans' opponent Saturday afternoon in Philadelphia, defeated Northern Ireland, 2-0, in New Britain, Conn. ... Mexico dropped its second consecutive friendly in Europe, falling to the Netherlands, 2-1, in Freiburg, Germany. ... France overcame an early deficit to defeat the Ticos of Costa Rica, 2-1, in Lens. ... Germany scored 24 times against a under-20 squad. Why?

For the MLS TV schedule, the U.S. Open Cup qualifier and the Seattle Sounders-Boca Juniors result.....

*MLS tonight: Dallas (2-2-5) at Chicago (2-2-3), 8 p.m. ET (ESPN2)

*The New York Red Bulls reached the tournament proper of the U.S. Open Cup with a 3-0 victory over the Colorado Rapids before 2,637 in Harrison, N.J. Meantime, New York midfielder Carl Robinson will be sidelined up to six weeks.

*More than 40,000 turned out at Qwest Field for the Seattle Sounders' 3-0 win over Boca Juniors.

By Steve Goff  |  May 27, 2010; 6:17 AM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , France , Germany , MLS , Mexico , Netherlands , U.S. Open Cup , U.S. men's national team  | Tags: Boca Juniors, Jozy Altidore, MLS, U.S. Open Cup, World Cup  
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Comments

NYRB is run by a bunch of fools who think that the new stadium alone will draw big crowds. MLS ruined this strong soccer market too deeply to expect the team to draw well right away no matter how nice the home is.

Until they overcome the perception that this organization is a flat-out loser, they still might be better off playing these USOC games at Rutgers where they would get 7K and at least create a somewhat lively atmosphere.

Posted by: lgm6986 | May 27, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

maybe the US should schedule a scrimmage against some local high school all star team..having your forwards score 5 goals a piece could do wonders for confidence.

Posted by: mizage | May 27, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

maybe the US should schedule a scrimmage against some local high school all star team..having your forwards score 5 goals a piece could do wonders for confidence.

Posted by: mizage | May 27, 2010 8:19 AM | Report abuse

IMHO NYRBs are taking all the right steps to turn their club's image around. I say good on them, it only does our league good.

Posted by: swampdogoh | May 27, 2010 8:26 AM | Report abuse

Do people really like these friendlies? MLS teams beating foreign teams mailing it in and collecting a check? I'm just shocked at the amount of people who want to pay good money to see a big name star give a half-arsed effort. Maybe it's just me though because apparently these games do draw well.
I suppose my thinking on them has changed over the years, since I used to attend all of these games when I was on the Hill and could just walk to the stadium.

Posted by: nairbsod | May 27, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Some of the people who go to the friendlies, it seems to me, have their mind made up (and closed)about MLS regardless of what their eyes are telling them.

That said, last night was a good time, and decent entertainment. Ronaldinho certainly stood around for large portions of the match, but he also knows people pay to come see him, and he responds to it, and is very fan friendly. Good for him. He'll never pass up a chance to try something flashy in one of these games.

Posted by: JkR- | May 27, 2010 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Speaking of friendlies

United note: On its Web site, English club Portsmouth announced a North American tour that will include a match against United at RFK Stadium on July 24.

Anyone going to see a relegated team, minus any big name players they may have had?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 27, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Red Bull owns that arena. Why TF would they rent at Rutgers? That's the type of decision making that would earn your approval?

Building that place on mostly their own dime, kicking @ss all up and down the MLS table, even drawing the interest of European stars--seems that club is headed in the right direction.

And yes, people really like these friendlies. Double the average DC crowd on a Wednesday, and it was a blast. The MLS players involved rightly feast on it, along with the fans. It's a higher level of soccer than many 'real' games involving two MLS teams BOTH half-arsedly mailing it in.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | May 27, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I feel for New Yorkers. Their football and soccer stadiums are in New Jersey, so they can't get to the games or support the teams.

The worst part is that the Super Bowl will be there in 2014, but in New Jersey, so they can't go.

Posted by: Reignking | May 27, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they can go to JFK or La Guardia, fly to Newark, and take the train to the games.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 27, 2010 9:35 AM | Report abuse

As a longtime newspaper fan, I LOVE the sports page layout.

As for those of you carping about the friendlies, this is what they are, friendlies! Meant to entertain and demonstrate the joy of soccer.

Posted by: Ruthie1 | May 27, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

@RK -- Amusing. Football is different -- it's a bigger deal, it's a longer game (thus the drive seems more reasonable in comparison), and there are only 8-10 home games. The real reason, though, that NYers continue to go to football at the Meadowlands is to keep the prized season tickets. By the way, for the first time ever, train service has now opened to the Meadowlands facility.

@GoG -- I totally agree with your comment. That was some mindless internet ranting. Not only does it make little sense for the team to pay rent when they own the new stadium, it's downright delusional to think that 7,000 people would turn out for a USOC play-in game regardless of where they played. They could play it in Times Square and not draw 5,000. If the current management team at NYRB are a bunch of fools, then I wish DC was run by that kind of fools as

Posted by: fischy | May 27, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

@Goff -- You were right on 23 of 23 for the USMNT. Bob Bradley's the one who got it wrong with Findley over Ching, not you....

Posted by: fischy | May 27, 2010 9:44 AM | Report abuse

People all the time talk about how MLS teams will do awesome numbers if they just move these USOC matches. Then when teams do, the same small numbers come out.

Let's just accept that the tournament is a niche product and stop the hand-wringing. Not EVERYTHING has to be a huge event with a sellout crowd.

Posted by: beach3 | May 27, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

After looking extremely dangerous against England Monday, Mexico were flat out dominated by a Sneijder- and Robben-less Holland for a half. Two goals, one shot of the woodwork, and about three or four more quality chances for the Dutch in the first half. Mexico took over the game in the after the halftime subs, but the comeback fell short.

Uruguay was also in action, soundly beating Israel 4-1. They were pretty careless with possession at times, but their attack was as dynamic as the scoreline indicates. I'm glad we won't have to deal with Forlán and Suárez next month.

Posted by: BooThisMan | May 27, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Maybe they can go to JFK or La Guardia, fly to Newark, and take the train to the games.

Posted by: I-270Exit1

i've posted about this on here before, but as a DCU fan in exile in Brooklyn, it is less of a pain in the butt to take the train down to Union Station and metro over to RFK to see a United game, than it was to deal with getting to see them at Meadowlands on public transportation.

Posted by: joe_hill | May 27, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Why score 24 goals? Because they're German and the coach didn't tell them to stop.

Posted by: teo_68 | May 27, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Germany 24, South Tirol U-20s 0. Why does the German team get the reputation of being the evil empire again ?

Posted by: rademaar | May 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Although if the Nationalmannschaft does go out before the quarterfinals there will be never ending jokes/references to this game.

Posted by: rademaar | May 27, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I think a better question is why they were playing the South Tirol U20s in the first place.

Posted by: BooThisMan | May 27, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

NYRB is run by a bunch of fools who think that the new stadium alone will draw big crowds. MLS ruined this strong soccer market too deeply to expect the team to draw well right away no matter how nice the home is... they still might be better off playing these USOC games at Rutgers where they would get 7K and at least create a somewhat lively atmosphere.

@lgm6986

As other people have pointed out, your whining is ostensibly about an Open Cup play-in game on a Wednesday night. Competitive matches don't get much more meaningless than the Open Cup play-ins, and accordingly, the game was ticketed separately from the season ticket games.

So for $18 (GA ticketing), 2700 people showed up, the day after a USMNT pre-World Cup match nearby that a lot of people went to, and three days before a USMNT pre-World Cup match about 85 miles away from Harrison that even more people will go to.

The break-even for the USOC play-ins at that price point is around 1100 paid spectators. So get this through your head: NYRB made a profit last night. Renting Yurcak would have been more expensive and less convenient.

Even the league games have seen an attendance increase of about 60% over a year ago. They're not going to undo the mistakes of the past or unpoison the well in the span of ten weeks, but they're on the right track.

Of course, the fact of the matter is that your whining is so obtuse that you have got to be concealing an agenda. If you don't have the guts to disclose it, correcting you with facts as other SI readers have done is the best way to deal with you.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | May 27, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

One more thought on the omission of Ching: If Altidore goes down (either to injury or a red card), who plays holding forward?

As far as NYRB is concerned, it is fairly easy to get to Harrison, NJ, from Manhattan. 20-minute ride on the PATH train. Plus the stadium is 5 minutes from the Ironbound section of Newark, which is heavily Portugese, and in the midst of Essex and Hudson Counties, with close to 1 million Hispanic and other soccer-loving people. (It includes Kearney, NJ, the cradle of US soccer players.) The 2,637 attendance figure is inexplicable.

Posted by: jack35 | May 27, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Goff, thanks to you and the Post Editors for giving the World Cup, DC United and all things soccer the coverage that we crave.

I live in Stafford and it is one of the main reasons that I have subscribed to the Post for the last 8 years instead of my more "local" paper.

Posted by: Golden_Child | May 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Germany 24, South Tirol U-20s 0. Why does the German team get the reputation of being the evil empire again ?

Posted by: rademaar | May 27, 2010 10:38 AM

* * * * * *

We are the South Tirolean People's Front crack suicide squad. Suicide squad, attack!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_12E1EN6fs

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | May 27, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

If Altidore goes down (either to injury or a red card), who plays holding forward?

Buddle, but it's a risk.

The 2,637 attendance figure is inexplicable.

You know who else cannot frame anything in context? People in persistant vegetative states. That's a great crowd for a US Open Cup play-in match, the most meaningless kind of competitive game that MLS teams play.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | May 27, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

2,600 fans is bad no matter how you disguise it.

Posted by: Norteno4life | May 27, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

2,600 fans is bad no matter how you disguise it.

Posted by: Norteno4life | May 27, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people out there complaining about Ching being left off the roster for Findley... Even Jonah Freedman gave Bob Bradley the proverbial "you're going to regret that cut" today on mlssoccer.com....

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/comment-bradley-will-regret-not-picking-ching

These guys on the other hand lambasted the Findley decision...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtS6DMGsJqg

Crazy next 4-5 weeks of soccer!

Posted by: dwreck1971 | May 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice the "Its the MGMT stupid" banner that was allowed to hang from the upper deck (above the clock) for a about 3.5 minutes?

Posted by: rockotodd | May 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people out there complaining about Ching being left off the roster for Findley... Even Jonah Freedman gave Bob Bradley the proverbial "you're going to regret that cut" today on mlssoccer.com....

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/comment-bradley-will-regret-not-picking-ching

These guys on the other hand lambasted the Findley decision...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtS6DMGsJqg

Crazy next 4-5 weeks of soccer!

Posted by: dwreck1971 | May 27, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

If Altidore goes down (either to injury or a red card), who plays holding forward?

Buddle, Dempsey or Gomez.

Posted by: delantero | May 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

A lot of people out there complaining about Ching being left off the roster for Findley... Even Jonah Freedman gave Bob Bradley the proverbial "you're going to regret that cut" today on mlssoccer.com....

http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/comment-bradley-will-regret-not-picking-ching

These guys on the other hand lambasted the Findley decision...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtS6DMGsJqg

Crazy next 4-5 weeks of soccer!

Posted by: dwreck1971 | May 27, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Re: Liz Clarke's comment that Jozy is a "catalyst" for the men's team. Uh, no he isn't.

Posted by: delantero | May 27, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Well, being that none of them (including Altidore) are true holding forwards, the answer is, everyones going to have to be ready to fill that role...

Posted by: dwreck1971 | May 27, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

If Altidore goes down (either to injury or a red card), who plays holding forward?

Buddle, Dempsey or Gomez.

Posted by: delantero | May 27, 2010 12:19 PM
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Ching would have been a better option than any of those three, and Findley adds nothing to the team. Bradley should have taken Ching.

Posted by: jack35 | May 27, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

I think these European team "US Summer Tours" should be renamed to something like "FC XXXXXX Let-the-MLS-Teams-Win Summer Tour".

Not that the DCU-ACM game wasn't fun, but AC Milan didn't even do a very good job of trying to pretend they were interested in the game they were in. I thought some of them were going to get sore arms checking their watches counting down the minutes till they could be subbed out.

Posted by: Ron16 | May 27, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

2,600 fans is bad no matter how you disguise it.

You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts.

And the facts are this: US Open Cup play-in games that are ticketed separately from season tickets always have low attendance.

This year, the range of USOC play-ins is from 1226 (KC) to 3015 (NY). DC drew 2804 for their earlier play-in game. 2637 is not only a good attendance for an Open Cup play-in, it's also PROFITABLE.

If you want to make apples-to-oranges comparisons, don't be surprised when you're proven to be ignorant.

Posted by: Mastodon_Juan | May 27, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: addick | May 27, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

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