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Wednesday kickaround

*American midfielder Clint Dempsey and Fulham face Atletico Madrid in the Europa League final in Hamburg. DirecTV purchased exclusive rights to carry the match live (2:45 p.m. ET on Channel 461). GolTV will show a taped version at 8 p.m. Thursday.

*Other Americans in action today: Eddie Johnson and Freddy Adu for Aris at home against AEK Athens in the Greek playoffs.

*American goalkeeper Marcus Hahnemann will remain with Wolverhampton next season.

*My full story on Charlie Davies and the U.S. roster selection.

*For the record, I was 29 for 30 in my U.S. roster predictions. The only miss was Robbie Rogers in place of Davies.

*Algeria, a U.S. first-round opponent, receives good news from FIFA.

*For a look at Mexico's preliminary roster.....


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Goalkeepers: Oscar Perez (Chiapas), Guillermo Ochoa (America), Luis Ernesto Michel (Chivas).

Defenders: Rafael Marquez (Barcelona), Ricardo Osorio (Stuttgart), Francisco Rodriguez (PSV Eindhoven), Carlos Salcido (PSV Eindhoven), Hector Moreno (Alkmaar), Paul Aguilar (Pachuca), Efrain Juarez (Pumas), Jonny Magallon (Chivas), Juan Carlos Valenzuela (America), Jorge Torres Nilo (Atlas), Adrian Aldrete (Morelia).

Midfielders: Andres Guardado (La Coruna), Jonathan dos Santos (Barcelona), Gerardo Torrado (Cruz Azul), Israel Castro (Pumas), Giovani dos Santos (Galatasaray).

Forwards: Pablo Barrera (Pumas), Adolfo Bautista (Chivas), Alberto Medina (Chivas), Cuauhtemoc Blanco (Veracruz), Carlos Vela (Arsenal), Javier Hernandez (Manchester United), Guillermo Franco (West Ham).

By Steve Goff  |  May 12, 2010; 8:41 AM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , Africa , Americans Abroad , England , FIFA , Mexico , U.S. men's national team  | Tags: Algeria, Charlie Davies, Clint Dempsey, Eddie Johnson, Europa League, Freddy Adu, Fulham, Marcus Hahnemann, World Cup  
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Comments

Maybe I missed it. Does anyone know what times the World Cup games will be shown here (live)? I see on the FIFA site they list 16:00, 20:30, etc, but I'm not sure whether that's local SA time or something else.

Posted by: nairbsod | May 12, 2010 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Forwards: Pablo Barrera (Pumas), Adolfo Bautista (Chivas), Alberto Medina (Chivas), Cuauhtemoc Blanco (Veracruz), Carlos Vela (Arsenal), Javier Hernandez (Manchester United), Guillermo Franco (West Ham).
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Forward?

Posted by: DCU_Rick | May 12, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

maybe Hahneman leaving Reading was best thing that could have happened to him. It was tough when it happened but I think that the guy ended up in a better situation with Wolves in order to prepare for the WC. I know that we don't expect to use him but if something happens to Timmy, I would think that he has gotta be second choice based on the fact that he is playing first team matches (now if Guzan were to be picked to replace Howard, the BB and his godsons thing would definitely flair up again. Nothing against Guzan. he is good. I would just prefer a guy who has been playing first team consistently).

Posted by: yankiboy | May 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Good work with the prognostication Nostradamus.

Did you pick your own best 30, or were you merely predicting what Bradley would do, knowing that he a clueless idiot whose selections were either obvious or based on bias and illegitimate personal considerations?

Posted by: OWNTF | May 12, 2010 9:09 AM | Report abuse

May a pox decend upon the house of whoever made the decision NOT to allow ME to watch the Europa League Final.

(Unless it's Goff's fault)

Posted by: 9Nine9 | May 12, 2010 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Yes, that was some good foresight.

However, I'm not sure I'd ever want to be able to duplicate Bradley's decision to bring along Findley, Klejstan, and Rogers... I would be praying like hell that Bradley leaves as soon as possible, before I call for a bunker After the team is Already bunkering.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | May 12, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

@nairsbod -- Those times are local SA time. You should see a line above the schedule which tells you that and allows you to click and convert to your local time. Eastern USA -- 7:30, 10:00 and 2:30 (1430).

For the record, there are questions regarding only 3 slots -- the omissions of Davies, Casey and Adu, and the call-ups of Finley and Rogers (along with all 3 of Buddle/Gomez/Johnson and/or Kljestan) -- BB could have called up all 3 of the forwards, with fewer midfielders, or he could have left off Sacha -- the real difference being who goes to South Africa, and in what role: Does Dempsey (and/or Donovan) go as a forward or a midfielder?

It's either funny or really pathetic when folks throw around epithets of calls to fire the coach over 3 training camp slots. None of the players left out nor their replacements would get more than 5 or 10 minutes playing in South Africa under any circumstance. Realistically, none of them would have/will play at all.

Posted by: fischy | May 12, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

fischy: someone needs to play the vuvuzelas.

Mexico has dos dos Santos? Aye chihuahua.

Guille Franco??? Wow. But really, he's Mexico's Findley -- no chance to really make it.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

thanks fischy!

Posted by: nairbsod | May 12, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather have Dempsey up front -- if you put LD up there, there's a good chance that he will disappear for long stretches.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I didn't see much AC Milan this year, or Brazilian qualifiers, but is Ronaldinho really not good enough to make the WC squad for Brazil? Who's the starter for them in his position? And who's first off the bench?

Posted by: eadc | May 12, 2010 9:52 AM | Report abuse

eadc, towards the end of the fall/winter, Ronaldinho started to really come into form for AC. After that, though, I didn't hear too much.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Breaking news in England: John Terry heading to hospital with suspected broken metatarsal...

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/internationals/john-terry-is-englands-latest-world-cup-doubt-with-foot-injury-1971775.html

Posted by: Kev29 | May 12, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Guiseppe Rossi makes Italy squad -- the only player not in Serie A.

Benzema out. Geez. But what a strong-looking French squad.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

ESPN is reporting that John Terry may be injured for the World Cup. Possibly a broken metatarsal.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | May 12, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Sooooo... does this bring Wayne Bridge back into the mix?

Posted by: Kev29 | May 12, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

oh man, and it's one day too late to bring in Bridge now!

Posted by: joe_hill | May 12, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

although I guess FIFA lets you bring in replacements for injury not on the initial 30, so who knows I guess.

Posted by: joe_hill | May 12, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Bridge has been awful lately so I doubt he'll be called up. This is just a better chance for Dawson, Upson and Carragher to make the final cut.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | May 12, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Also on TV at 8pm tonight (Telefutura) is the first leg of the Pachuca-Toluca Mexican liguilla semifinal. Return leg is in Toluca this weekend.

Toluca is the higher seeded team and would advance to the final in case the series winds up tied on aggregate.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | May 12, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Benzema not the most ridiculous French refusal, in my book. Samir Nasri is a fantastic talent, one Any country would be proud to have in the fold.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | May 12, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

@fischy

Some of us were only exaggerating over firing Bradley. However many decisions have back fired against him in creating this roster. The first was bringing in a rather pathetic roster for the Gold Cup in 2009. The next decision was to keep Onyewu and Davies on the roster after the team had qualified for the World Cup. Yeah I know the idiot thought he could get a higher seeding for the teams selection groups. Basically he thought if we finished first in qualifying we had a chance at being pooled with teams like England and Brazil when the group selections were made. That was a total miscalculation on his part because in 2006 we finished first in CONCACAF and were in the top 8 in 2002 World Cup, but we didn't get into pool for the higher seeds and ended up in the group of death. Finally he did not try to develop a left back such as Castillo. He didn't even try to integrate the man into the team or anyone else for that matter at this position of obvious need. Overall Bradley has done a good job. He has won a Gold Cup, came in second at the Confederations' Cup, and qualified for the World Cup. However I really think his player selection for World Cup is poor because he relies on familiarity too much (ie Bornstein, Kljestan, and Marshall).

Posted by: no_recess | May 12, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I had hopes for Castillo, too, but after seeing him play a few times for Tigres this season he just doesn't seem good enough. He was better a year or two ago with Santos.

He's a relative youngster who should have many years left in his career so maybe he'll make a future Nat'l team.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | May 12, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@no_recess

You make a very poor argument. The "pathetic" roster that Bradley took to the Gold Cup in 2009 was the result of having to go to the Confederations Cup (where, if I recall, the team did ok). He simply could not bring the same roster to two tournaments, particularly one like the Gold Cup, where the team would not earn a place in the Confederations Cup. And, oh by the way, that poor Gold Cup roster made it to the finals.

Second, Bradley's decision to leave Onyewu and Davies on the roster after qualifying for the World Cup is neither here nor there. How do you know what he was thinking (i.e. that he wanted a top seed or believed that the team could still get a top seed?)? Last I checked, Davies wasn't injured in a game, and wasn't even going to be on the roster for the Costa Rica game.

And how do you reach the conclusion that Bradley didn't develop a left back like Castillo? Shouldn't Castillo be developing on his own, with the assistance of his club? Maybe Bradley saw what Castillo offered and decided that Castillo was not a reasonable project for 2010. Further, a national team does not "develop" players. Players are with the national team for too short a time for that to be a reasonable goal.

Finally, your argument that Bradley sticks with familiar players is ludicrous. First, this is a thirty-man roster. Who would you have added instead of Klestjan, Marshall or Bornstein? Second, some of those players may be the best we have in a 30-man pool. It doesn't mean that Bradley will select them for the final 23.

You spent a lot of time knocking down straw-men. The good news is, however, that you apparently know enough to be a national team coach, so the post-2010 World Cup coaching search (if there is one) will be easy.

Posted by: TwinCity | May 12, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

You're upset that he kept playing key players in games that were essentially meaningless (meaningless because we had already qualified)?

I take the opposite view -- keep a core together, and rotate players in that you want to audition.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

What establishment will have Clint Dempsey and Fulham on today?

Neat fact about my brother: Brought home from the hospital to a townhouse across the street from Craven Cottage. My dad told me that after recognizing the Fulham patch on my jersey. Lived on Fulham road in the 70's when Hooligans were Hooligans and men were men.
An American winning European hardware would be awesome. So excited.

Posted by: UniteforDC | May 12, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@reignking, re:

"You're upset that he kept playing key players in games that were essentially meaningless (meaningless because we had already qualified)?"

Plus, if that is truly the principle on which no_recess argues that Bradley should have left Onyewu and Davies off the Costa Rica roster, then he directly contradicts himself by challenging the "pathetic" roster that Bradley brought to the Gold Cup (which really meant nothing).

Posted by: TwinCity | May 12, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

@no_recess - I suppose you are also mad that he played Donovan, Howard, Jozy, Boca, et al in that Cost Rica game too, right? IIRC, we didnt officially qualify until the 2nd to last game (Honduras), meaning a new squad could not have been called in for the Costa Rica game. So its not like Bradley could have dropped players from the roster (and, as TC pointed out, Davies was going to be scratched from the gameday roster anyway). and no one had any delusions that the US could secure a seed by finishing first in the region, but there is a little thing to play for called pride.

Posted by: VTUnited | May 12, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

No_recess makes a good point. Bradley should have foreseen that Davies would break curfew and have an accident, and that Onyewu would lose his footing and rupture his tendon, and sent them back to Sochaux and Milan respectively. In fact, just to be safe he should have sent Donovan, Howard, Cherundolo, Bocanegra, Altidore, Feilhaber, Holden, Spector, Torres, Clark and Bradley Jr. back to their clubs and just forfeited the game. You can never be too careful.

Posted by: BooThisMan | May 12, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Adu and EJ starting today.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

@no_recess -- I suppose...if he had a crystal ball, Bradley would have told Davies to go back to France to heal his hamstring, or whatever it was that was bothering him. And, he would have kept Onyewu out, so he wouldn't have gotten hurt. Of course, he lacked such views of the future. On the other hand, who knows what would have happened to Gooch later on. Maybe, he'd have finally played when Nesta went down, and gotten hurt, then -- which would have caused him to miss the Cup entirely.

Here's where I don't see any logic -- you think he should have played a stronger side throughout the Gold Cup, but sat out more regulars in World Cup qualifying match or two? Huh?

Also, while Mexico did get to play South Africa, it's hard to imagine how the USA could have had an easier group. I'd take Algeria and Slovenia over Uruguay and the home team. The Group of Death? More like the Group of Life.

Castillo isn't very good right now, especially at defending. I'd rather have Bornstein or Bocanegra at left fullback.

Lastly -- if you're "exaggerating about someone, you might refrain from calling him an "SOB".

What I find really amusing is the agonizing about Davies -- those suggesting that Bradley doesn't "get" what Davies could do for the team. Wasn't it Bradley who put someone named Charlie Davies on the 2007 Copa America team, when 99% of us knew nothing about him? (I might add that Bradley took a lot of heat for sending a supposedly poor roster to that tournament.) Wasn't it Bradley who started working him into the starting lineup in WC qualifying? Don't you think Bradley would love to be playing him, if he thought he could go? Seriously, the second-guessing of Bradley on this point is not only overwrought and overdone, it ventures into the realm of utter ridiculousness.

Posted by: fischy | May 12, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

EJ hammy pull. No joke.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

from goff's twitter and DCU's facebook: Boyzzz Khumalo has received his green card and will no longer count as a international player on D.C. United's roster.

Posted by: VTUnited | May 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

You spent a lot of time knocking down straw-men. The good news is, however, that you apparently know enough to be a national team coach, so the post-2010 World Cup coaching search (if there is one) will be easy.

Posted by: TwinCity |
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C'mon Bro. That a huge part of the fun.

That is why we have online forums, sportsbars, sports talk radio and benches in the park...To argue about player selections and coaching choices.

Posted by: yankiboy | May 12, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

No Recess' statement that Bradley sticks with familiar players is not ludicrous; in fact it is spot on. Sacha and Bornstein have played poorly thus far in MLS (mediocre soccer league). I haven't seen Marshall play this season. DMB played like a Kentucky Fried Idiot in the Confed Cup and hardly played for Rangers all season. Since BB has seen plenty of Bornstein and Sasha (penalty kick and red card specialists), why not bring in Simek and Convey as dark horse candidates?

Posted by: dcarmy | May 12, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

dcarmy - yeah, cause it makes sense to bring in players like Convey (CONVEY?!?!)and Simek who havent been involved much, if at all, in the cycle at the last minute to fill positions at which the pool is deep. the fact that he called in Gomez and Buddle instead of relying on Conner Casey kind of defeates this argument.

Posted by: VTUnited | May 12, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

That is why we have online forums, sportsbars, sports talk radio and benches in the park...To argue about player selections and coaching choices.

Posted by: yankiboy

I find it annoying.

Posted by: Reignking | May 12, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Because of our spate of injuries (Gooch, Demerit, Holden, Feilhaber, Dempsey, Findley, Clark and perhaps now EJ) I think the pool at every position exept GK is potentially shallow. I applaud the inclusion of Gomez and Buddle because they have shown outstanding form. I think Casey is on the outside looking in because Ching is presumbably healthy again--and as I recall Simek has also dealt with injuries this past season.

Posted by: dcarmy | May 12, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My biggest question about the World Cup coverage is about ESPN3. I'm going to assume that any game shown by ESPN will be available in an archived form on ESPN3(360) for at least a couple days after it is played?

As much as I'll be able to watch being a stay at home dad, I can't diss my kid and sit around watching all matches all days live. It would be nice to know that us non DVR having types will be able to curl up with a beer and a laptop in the late evening and watch nice quality archived matches at our leisure.

Maybe Goff or someone else up to date on their ESPN jive can enlighten?

Posted by: DadRyan | May 12, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@RK1: If people stopped arguing about stuff like that the crime rate might spike, there might be more mental health cases and maybe more marriages would fail (or maybe succeed, who knows).

Then again, national productivity could skyrocket which would offset the losses from the economy after most of the sport banter industries go belly up.

I love that stuff even when I think the other person must be on the pipe when they give their takes.

But admitedly, last night after the house was quiet, I actually watched some ESPN special on baseball groundskeeping crews and how the patterns that they use to cut the fields and make the dirt look so nice.

So I can admit that seriously I need my daily sportsfix and I need it bad, in almost any form that I can find it. :D

Posted by: yankiboy | May 12, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The United need to quit whining and be happy that the District allows them to continue to use RFK when it costs more to keep that old park open than the revenues brought in. If not for the threat of the Feds taking back ownership of the land the United would be homeless right now.

Posted by: PowerBoater69 | May 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

As this idiot continues to claim, he is a United fan. If United gets this vitriol from a so called "fan" then they certainly don't need any enemies.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | May 12, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

That is why we have online forums, sportsbars, sports talk radio and benches in the park...To argue about player selections and coaching choices.
Posted by: yankiboy
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I'm just here for the lyrics

Put me in coach, I'm ready to play
Put me in coach, I'm ready to play today
Look at me, I can be midfield.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | May 12, 2010 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@i-270: For my money, pretty much the best Fogerty song after the break up of CCR (and know I am NOT talking "Revival").

But that isn't saying too much. CCR was nasty. Pretty hard to top their stuff.

Posted by: yankiboy | May 12, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Dempsey did not start today and not in yet. Disappointing

Posted by: DCUSince96 | May 12, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Apparently, Roy Hodgson saw my complaint and put Clint in. :-)

Posted by: DCUSince96 | May 12, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

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