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Kaka's red card 'totally unjust,' Dunga says

Brazil Coach Dunga said the red card assessed to Kaka in Brazil's 3-1 win over the Ivory Coast was "totally unjust."

Kaka received his second yellow card in the final minutes for pushing Kader Keita, who sold the foul by falling to the ground and grabbing his face.

Said Kaka: "It was unfair. The image will speak for me."

He will miss Friday's group finale against Portugal. With Sunday's victory, Brazil has secured passage to the round of 16.

By Matt Bonesteel  |  June 20, 2010; 6:47 PM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , Brazil  | Tags: Brazil, Kaka, World Cup  
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Dunga is quite fortunate that he wasn't sent off for agitating his own players. I think the announcers were correct in their analysis that Portugal will try to bait Brazil in the next match.

Posted by: dcarmy | June 20, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Kaka may not have deserved the 2nd yellow, but someone on Brazil did for the team being whiny and constantly faking injury. Maybe the same for Ivory Coast.

Posted by: garygeck | June 20, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Red card justified? No. But still, Dunga should have nothing but praise for that ref, who, rather than penalize Fabiano's intentional double-Henry, awarded him a goal and joked with him about it. The same ref who patiently ignored Dunga's disgusting behavior throughout the match instead of shoving a red card in his whale-size mouth. Think of how angry he'll be when he confronts an actual competent match official.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 20, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

It was not justified, but when you live by the sword you die by the sword. Anyone remember a Brazilian by the name of Rivaldo?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RKo_50sWW4

Posted by: chemweapon | June 20, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

How many times did Fabiano use his hand during the run-up to his second goal? I lost count.

Posted by: BooThisMan | June 20, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so 170 votes or say it WAS justified?

Please, you got some 'splaining to do.

Posted by: delantero | June 20, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes red cards need to go to BOTH players, not just one. There is too much acting from all kinds of teams, but this is especially true with the top European teams and top South American players.

These days, such exaggerated fakery is infecting African and Asian teams and players and the other less well known teams and players, too.

Too often these days, these guys --- the highly paid professional players in Europe, both from Europe and from South America --- play the game like they are acting for some film and not playing a sport.

To cut down these shenanigans, instant-replay has to be instituted, so that during very crucial, fast flowing moments, and complex situations --- where the wrong decision can have major impact --- referees could to quickly review the contested foul before rendering a decision, rather than just going by the eyes of 3 guys and mostly is just the lone guy in the field, trying to keep his eyes on 22 players and the ball all the time... it's just not possible... and those contentious moments happen in a fraction of a second, so there is no way one referee or two or three could see all the necessary angles to make good decisions...

Posted by: HerLao | June 20, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Big thanks for BlackandRed337 and VTUnited on World Cup viewing locations near First Landing State Park in Virginia Beach!
Had a great time camping out there, and the fact that I was able to watch the US/Slovenia game in a Scottish Pub was fantastic. For the record I stuck my head in the Shorebreak and despite all the cleavage spilling out of the wait staff's shirts and the countless HD tvs on site, I continued on to the Green Oak Pub.

What the Green Oak lacked in boobs it made up for in grimy dive bar awesomeness and Belhaven Scottish Ale pints...
I was also able to take a safety meeting break at the half outside without anyone batting an eyelash. Good Times!

Thanks again guys for pointing the way to the closest soccer friendly bars near our campground!

Posted by: DadRyan | June 20, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

What the hell was the Ivory Coast player doing running into Kaka anyway? Kaka wasn't even moving!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: elfelixg | June 20, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

First we witness what should have been the greatest upset in World Cup history, only to be reminded that those dirty Italians always scheme there way through. And then we're supposed to be surprised by Kaka's ejection? Come on.

It looks like there's finally people seeing the players for the frauds they are. I can't believe it took this long. There's been diving all tournament long and I've yet to see a card for it. Most matches make me wonder if I'm watching the WWF. I swear somebody's going to pick the ball up and throw it in the net, while his teammate is distracting the ref complaining about not calling the dive he just took. There's the crowd yelling "Ref, turn around, turn around." And of coure he will, just in time to see the thrown ball rip the back of the net. Goallllll!!!

Kaka got the card that should have been given out to his fellow actors much earlier. A double hand ball and the ref jokes about it. Only Brazil could get away with that. How can an official find that funny, especially when it's against the best African team in the tournament? Did he forget where this tourney is? What are the qualification for these fools. The first is certainly that they must never have played the game before, cause they definitely seem to have no clue that diving could just be a possibility.

oh, the beautiful game. Puke!!!!

Posted by: wcasey1 | June 20, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

why didn't Kaka get out of the guy's way instead of sticking an elbow/forearm into his chest? They both should have gotten their 2nd yellows.

I think it's funny how everyone always praises Brasil and totally overlooks their many faults, including the flopping and whining. I suppose part that comes from the "Latin game" but it's still not any fun to watch.

Posted by: fedssocr | June 20, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

It was not a red card but a yellow card which I thought was justified for elbowing the player. Once the player was elbowed it didnt matter to me whether he acted or not. I think Kaka would not have gotten a yellow if the player didnt act. This ref was afraid of the Brazilians(by the way the ref didnt get drilled by the press like they drilled the Malian ref of the USA game).
A Nigerian player was shown a red card for supposedly kicking somebody and replay shows more acting from the player.
Fifa need to implement some sort of review and ban the actors for 2 or 3 games or the rest of the tournament. That's the only way acting will stop.
Now lets watch Ronaldo tomorrow, he is the master...

Posted by: bssd | June 20, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

The red card might have been unjust, but the decision to keep Kaka in the game after the yellow, and after seeing that he was still cruising for a bruising, was silly. There were mere minutes left in a game that was easily and firmly in hand. Given how rough things were getting at that point, why not sub him out and remove the chance for him to get into any further mischief?

Posted by: photomat | June 20, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

@delantero "Please, you got some 'splaining to do."

Deliberate elbow to the chest by Kaka - clear yellow to me. Any embellishment by the Ivorian (assuming his face didn't hit Kaka's shoulder) is irrelevant to the call.

Since Kaka started the game with, if memory serves correctly, with five unforced give-aways, Brazil might be better off without him in the next game.

Posted by: AlwaysBiking | June 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

why didn't Kaka get out of the guy's way instead of sticking an elbow/forearm into his chest? They both should have gotten their 2nd yellows.

Posted by: fedssocr

Am I in crazyland?

I'm with delantero -- this poll should be 99% no.

Posted by: Reignking | June 20, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

It was a deserved red card, no doubt about it! The player from the cote d'ivoire was running towards him looking at the play, not at ka ka. Ka Ka shoves his elbow backwards into the player intentionally, obviously it was bad acting as he was holding his face but he alread had a yellow card. Players at this level should no better and his actions were deliberate. He was warned and thus booked again for the intentional infraction. He like the rest of the Brazilians were babies all game long.

Posted by: joethree | June 20, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Kaka took advantage of the run in to throw an elbow in retaliation of the previous encounter. Poor sportsmanship = yellow card. Two yellows = red. The guy on the ground should have received a yellow for acting, or an Oscar. Why the ref joked about the handball with the player is beyond me.

What a difference from the North Korean game. Talk about clean players. It brought out the best in the Brazilians. They almost seemed appologetic when fouling.

Posted by: marcool | June 20, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

If Brazil is serious about winning the World Cup they'll have to show a lot more discipline, otherwise some team along the way will goad them into a bad red card early and they'll be done. With such a pedigree, Brazil's behavior in the last ten minutes was fairly appalling.

Posted by: diego_r | June 20, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

sitting on a yellow, getting anywhere near an incident, he deserves the second yellow. Dunga should have pulled him earlier, that game was starting to get testy.

Posted by: cr10 | June 20, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

The second yellow was unjustified for Kaka, but why are folks not recognizing this was a blessing for disguise for Brazil? Kaka now misses a meaningless match vs. Portugal (since Brazil has already clinched advancement and first place in Group G suddenly is not looking so prized as that may mean a date with a second place Spain from Group H) and starts with a clean slate in the Round of 16. Would Brazil rather Kaka pick up a second yellow vs. Portugal and miss the first elimination game?

Posted by: jofij | June 20, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

sitting on a yellow, getting anywhere near an incident, he deserves the second yellow.
Posted by: cr10
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A yellow for bystanding. What a concept.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 20, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Any news on the Brazilian players who took those hards studs up tackles into their shins?

Elano's injury looked like it could be pretty serious and another Brazilian suffered a similar foul a bit later.

Very disappointed with Ivory Coast's hard fouls and gamesmanship towards the end of the game. And what was the ref doing joking w Luis Fabiano about handballs after his 2-handball goal?

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | June 20, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

... and starts with a clean slate in the Round of 16.
Posted by: jofij
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FIFA changed the rule and will wipe out cards after the quarterfinals. Their argument is that this way, the best players won't pick up two yellows before the final and have to sit it out.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 20, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

I saw both teams acting to get fouls throughout the game. No big surprise there.

That being said, the card was totally justified. Kaka threw an intentional elbow into the Ivory Coast player's sternum. The ball wasn't even in play from the throw in yet. 2 yellows gets you a red.

The Ivory Coast player deserved a card for the acting. He was clearly hit in the chest / solar plexus, not the face. If it dropped him he should have had a contusion of some sort and the ref should have looked for that.

Kaka may have gotten away with it if he wasn't so flippant about the previous card.

Posted by: Bulldeazy | June 20, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right jofij, Kaka will start with a clean slate. My point was that not all players will.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 20, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the sentiment that in some cases both players should be penalized. In the Greece-Nigeria game the red card was well justified without all the histrionics of the Greek "victim," who should have gotten a yellow for simulation.

Refs do have considerable power to punish divers other than giving cards. Remember during the Spain-Italy semi-final at the last Euro championships when three or four Italian players obviously faked injuries behind the play when Spain was on the attack? The last time it happpened (I'm sure no coincidence) the ref waited a very long time before allowing the Italian player back on the pitch, despte all the screaming from the sideline. I say that every time a player grabs his head or neck or knee that the ref makes him sit out for at least five minutes, out of concern for his health, of course. This would put a quick end to much of the bad play-acting.

Posted by: Cossackathon | June 20, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

wasn't the ref French? I'm sure he was doing some Henry shtick with Luis Fabiano.

I didn't think the 2nd yellow on Kaka was deserved, but like others have said, Dunga should have started pulling players as soon as the Ivorians started with the hard challenges. Portugal - Brazil is going to be ugly.

Posted by: VTUnited | June 20, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

did anyone catch Ryan Nelson picking up a late booking for having a leg cramp in front of his own goal? I thought that was pretty low rent of the official, considering I've never seen a Brazilian/Italian/Spaniard/etc get a card for having a cramp.

Posted by: VTUnited | June 20, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Anybody remember when Hockey was plagued by diving a few years ago?

The powers that be implemented a post-match review of every match by a select group of impartial officials.

If a player is found to have conned the officials into a penalty, he receives a warning letter after the first offense, a fine after the second, and is suspended after three.

The end result is that there is very little diving in the NHL, and the game is much better for it. FIFA should implement something similar but they won't because they lack the guts or brains.

As for the poll, Kaka deserves a second yellow for deliberately elbowing the player in the chest, while in a perfect world the Ivory Coast player should get a post-match yellow, after review, for simulation.

Posted by: uranderson | June 20, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Dunga should be ashamed of himself and his players. Their constant embelishment and Dunga's histrionics from the sideline was way over the line. So while Kaka didn't deserve the card, I was happy to see Brazil get penalized for their bush league behavior.

Having said that, I think FIFA really needs to review video of these games and hand out suspensions for simulation. The Greek player wasn't even contacted by the Nigerian and when asked afterwards couldn't recall if he had been hit in the face or leg. Same with the Ivorian. Until FIFA comes out with a harsh penalty, players will continue to risk the chance that the refs can be swayed by a little acting and emotions. If there's a chance of getting a post-match red card, all the diving and simulation will stop immediately.

Posted by: tundey | June 20, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

The world cup is fixed---these refs actions are pre-scripted to get certain teams big advantages.

Posted by: Socialistic | June 20, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Red card blue card green card who cares realy waint 4 years and 2 weeks laspe and USA mas 2 ties lmao

Posted by: thomasuras | June 20, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

@uranderson: I don't follow hockey but that's the same idea I just came up with this afternoon! Glad it worked for hockey.

@Joel_M_Lane: I thot it was really strange for the ref to be joking with Fabiano about the hand balls. What could they have been talking about? "Oh you fooled me there?" or "OK I overlooked your hand balls, can I get an autograph now?"

Posted by: tundey | June 20, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Boy, just what we needed on network TV on a Sunday afternoon: a player hitting the ground in agony, clutching his face, after being lightly nudged in the chest.

I'm getting sick of these idiots screwing up the hard work a lot of us do to promote soccer in this country.

I'm also getting sick of having to traipse around the topic so carefully because of the "cultural sensitivity" implications. Look: We all know who pulls this crap, we're just not allowed to shout it real loud. And so our fellow Americans sit around attributing that behavior to "soccer," rather than to the particular cultures that foster it.

It's getting old.

Posted by: ChristopherMc | June 20, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

"Anybody remember when Hockey was plagued by diving a few years ago?"

No, aren't you supposed to slam into the guy with the puck. I don't even know what would constitute a dive in hockey.

Posted by: csd1 | June 20, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

How is an elbow to the chest not a yellow. Granted the CIV player should have gotten a yellow as well for grabbing his face when he got hit in the chest.

Posted by: jake77 | June 20, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Big deal! The same referee gifted Fabiano a second goal after Fabiano used his arm to control the ball! The referee even went up to Fabiano and joked with him about it!

Posted by: jjedif | June 20, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it was justified since he did throw an elbow to the chest. The other guy should also be given a yellow card for faking a head injury.

However, I cannot believe that Ivory Coast would want him to sit the next game out. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Posted by: Ahmad18 | June 20, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm also getting sick of having to traipse around the topic so carefully because of the "cultural sensitivity" implications. Look: We all know who pulls this crap, we're just not allowed to shout it real loud. And so our fellow Americans sit around attributing that behavior to "soccer," rather than to the particular cultures that foster it.

It's getting old.

Posted by: ChristopherMc

What? I have seen US players get cards for diving and I have seen them embellish. A German player got a card for diving in this tournament. Every country in the World has had an athlete that has tried to get a tactical advantage by stretching the rules to get an advantage. You are an ignorant racist.

Posted by: csd1 | June 20, 2010 10:23 PM | Report abuse

When I saw this poll, I was like "how is that actually a question?" Then I saw that 545 people actually voted yes. I assume they also voted for Alvin Greene in SC.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | June 20, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

If anyone deserved the red, it was Dunga himself. Raging up and down the sideline at every little bump and check from Ivory Coast players when half of the garbage being tossed around in the match was from his own players was disgraceful. It set the Brazil players into a frenzy, which then led to Kaka's first card, with the second soon after. A coach is supposed to calm his players down, not incite them to fouls. Brazil had that game in the bag, and should have just played keep-away with the ball. Instead, they were getting into fights.

It was a slightly harsh sending off for Kaka. The bump was a small one, and Kaka was mostly just bracing himself against a person running into him. But Kaka has no one to blame but himself. Ivory Coast in the last 20 minutes was trying to provoke the Brazil players into making mistakes, and Kaka was too immature to avoid the card. Yes, the Ivory Coast player flopped, and he should have deserved a yellow card, too, but Kaka, after having just received a yellow for intentionally shoving a player as he was getting up, pulled his elbow up and put it into a player's chest. It was slight and probably not worthy of a card, but given how disgracefully the players on both sides were behaving, someone was going to get sent off. Kaka was just dumb enough to let it be him.

Honestly, had I been the ref and seen what happened between the two players, I would have given them both yellow cards.

Posted by: blert | June 20, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

What the hell was the Ivory Coast player doing running into Kaka anyway? Kaka wasn't even moving!!>>>

Exactly. The Ivorian isn't looking and runs into Kaka. If you ask me, Kaka should have lowered his shoulder and stood his ground. It's not his fault.

Posted by: delantero | June 20, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

ChristopherMC, I guess the World just needs a couple more straight up honest hard working American athletes like Floyd Landis or Mark McGuire showing the rest of the World how to be real good honest athletes from a proper culture that fosters proper sportsmanship.

Posted by: csd1 | June 20, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Why is this not a possibility?:

1. Kaka gets 2d yellow for raising elbow.
2. Ivorian gets yellow for flagrant, shameful, cynical, disgusting, disgraceful, pussified dive?

I'm embarrassed for the game. My friend is in South Africa for the Finals -- not a soccer fan going in, but he says US/Slovenia and Cameroon/Denmark are two of the greatest sporting events he's ever seen (and he was at the 1980 Miracle on Ice among other things) -- and his last game for this Cup was Brasil/CIV. I was hyping that game going in.

Tell you what, for two of the most highly skilled teams in the WORLD, that was disgusting and disgraceful, both ways. For shame, for shame.

Posted by: OWNTF | June 20, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Just for the record I don't believe the ref on the field saw the play. I believe he consulted with the 4th official. He went over to side and that is why I believe it took him so long to produce the card.

Posted by: csd1 | June 20, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It wasn't warranted, but considering that Brazil spent most of the evening doing Greg Louganis impressions and clutching their faces like a bunch of sissies I have no sympathy.

Posted by: whoshotsam | June 20, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Rivaldo grabbed his face after getting kicked with a ball at his ankle versus Turkey. The explanations from Brazil were hilarious - he was just trying to protect his face in case the guy went after him.

I can't defend what the Ivory Coast player did. But, complaints from Brazil about diving is just the about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Posted by: BigBubba1 | June 20, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

After today's display, I will never root for Brazil again (unless they play Mexico or Italy). If you're up 3-0, you don't NEED to start diving and whining. It was disgusting. I was embarrassed that this match was on ABC, because now more people will have been justified in thinking that all soccer players are wimpy little divers, and that the sport condones such behavior (props to the commentators for denouncing it and describing it as "pitiful").

Posted by: kdiff813 | June 20, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Kader is a Lying Cheating Sc...m. Kaka had his back to him while Kader ran into him then fell to the ground grabbing his face which Kaka did not touch. This and the Robbing of the USA team of their Goal is why I will watch this Corrupt Sport as little as possible.

Posted by: liveride | June 20, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

I was embarrassed that this match was on ABC, because now more people will have been justified in thinking that all soccer players are wimpy little divers, and that the sport condones such behavior (props to the commentators for denouncing it and describing it as "pitiful").

Posted by: kdiff813 | June 20, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse
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+1 with a strong letter to follow . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | June 20, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

"Boy, just what we needed on network TV on a Sunday afternoon: a player hitting the ground in agony, clutching his face, after being lightly nudged in the chest.

I'm getting sick of these idiots screwing up the hard work a lot of us do to promote soccer in this country."

+1 for that much of the comment. And it was all the more sad because so much of the first 85 minutes
(apart from the basketball goal) was great "soccer for Americans," with 3 good goals, even.

csd1, I hear you, but this commenter above did say it's a "culture" issue, not a "race" issue. It looks obvious to me that the "culture" of some leagues and countries encourages players to roll around and wince when they fall down, no matter what "race" they are.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | June 20, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I figure the ref probably gave a final warning, something along the lines of "next guy who does anything gets a card" since KaKa was already involved in an altercation, he made an easy target.

it does take balls for Dunga to complain about the refereeing, let's be honest.

I still will never understand how the ref will stop play for a player down and not force him to leave the pitch for treatment. if you need play stopped and the other team has possession, you leave the pitch until the next sub opportunity. only fair.

Posted by: joshuaostevens | June 20, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

The yellow card was wrong. The red card was justly earned by baby-poop's comments about the ref's amorous relationships with beasts of burden! That, he earned!

Posted by: fr3dmars | June 20, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

I have to watch the replay again but I thought Kaka didn't even see the guy approaching him and the elbow move was a reflex reaction. Kind of like when someone sneaks up on you from behind or bumps into you, what's your reaction? You through your elbows out.

Posted by: thor2 | June 20, 2010 11:13 PM | Report abuse

thor, he didn't see him. He didn't even react to him -- he was busy watching the play.

Posted by: Reignking | June 20, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Goff, an elbow to the chest is more than a push... less than a punch to the face that Kader pretended it was, but it was purposeful and intended to injure, intimidate, or retaliate. Even if it was just one of those intentions, it was easily worthy of a yellow. As I've said before Kader ABSOLUTELY deserves a card and hopefully FIFA will review and suspend him for the next match too if not longer.

Posted by: jake77 | June 20, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I am absolutely killing it in the predictor this round.

Posted by: Reignking | June 20, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Brazil are considered the natural Champs of soccer and there team must play a more mature & play for the spirit of the game. I think BRAZIL players must have been more mature themselves by declaring a foul on the 2nd goal. Secondly KAKA is a high profile and any high profile player should play a more mature game and avoid silly alterations & explain themselves more openly to ref's. KAKA looked very irresponsible in the 2nd half of the game.

Posted by: kallims | June 20, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I am absolutely killing it in the predictor this round.

Posted by: Reignking

Slow but steady wins the race...;)

Posted by: DadRyan | June 20, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Goff, an elbow to the chest is more than a push... less than a punch to the face that Kader pretended it was, but it was purposeful and intended to injure, intimidate, or retaliate. Even if it was just one of those intentions, it was easily worthy of a yellow. As I've said before Kader ABSOLUTELY deserves a card and hopefully FIFA will review and suspend him for the next match too if not longer.

Posted by: jake77 | June 20, 2010 11:32 PM | Report abuse

I can’t think of one sport, soccer or otherwise, that doesn’t have some kind of “cheating” issue. While cycling and Track always get the most attention we still hear about doping in MLB. NBA has their issues with refs, NCAA has issues with recruiting and lets face it before instant replay in the NFL and Tennis, those sports were plagued by bad calls.

With all the technology that exists today and the hundreds of cameras and camera angles available in these matches it seems a bit insane that they can’t review some of these calls instantly…especially when you are talking about offsides, penalty kicks, goals and cards. Just have a booth with extra officials watching different angles and they press an “agree” button or “disagree” button and if you have a “majority” of them going against the decision made on the field have a quick break (while some player is rolling around on the ground trying to figure out what hurts) where the ref on the field communicates to the team watching the other screens to determine a revised call.

You don’t have to do a 15 minute, 10 commercial, NFL “review break” you could easily just have the review booth “overrule” the head ref. in a couple of seconds and if they don’t come to an agreement the ruling on the field stands.

At a minimum they could give it a try in or two domestic league games and see how it goes.

Posted by: Southeasterner | June 20, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

What a difference from the North Korean game. Talk about clean players. It brought out the best in the Brazilians. They almost seemed appologetic when fouling.

Posted by: marcool

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Yeah, haven't we entered the twilight zone when we are complimenting North Korea, of all countries, for clean, fair play? It's true, though--that match mostly stayed clean, despite Brazil getting frustrated and despite it being a close match.

This one, though, saw Ivory Coast players intentionally trying to provoke Brazilian players, and then the Brazilian players falling for it and retaliating with even worse. Add to that all of the flopping and acting in the last 30 minutes, and it was an embarrassment. What was a good game for 60 or 70 minutes turned quickly into a total farce.

Posted by: blert | June 20, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Bem, amigos da Rede Globo, falamos ao vivo da esplanada de tudo que e justo e certo....os States. Aqui, os juizes, jogadores, senadores....todos sao limpinhos e bonitinhos, e so fazem cagada na quarta-feira de cinzas.

Posted by: EliPeyton | June 20, 2010 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Kaka intended to injure?? Are people watching a different video than the one I saw? Kader charged Kaka (no ball in sight) who only (& almost casually!) put up his elbow in natural defense. This kind of feigning injury is a disgrace to soccer.

Posted by: iona123 | June 20, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Kaka seems to be getting the superstar treatment here in the comments, if this was a Red Bulls player elbowing a DC player, everyone would be screaming "RED" and a extra suspension. If Vidic did the same thing, 19 teams in England would feel the same way.

Kaka's first yellow was a much bigger talking point to me, but it was unnecessary contact right in front of the referee.

Going a few seconds before, Fabiano's acting on a slightest of contact foul led to a bogus Ivory Coast yellow. Watch him go down one direction and then sit up and roll the other way. When you are really hurt, you don't do that. The ref clearly only was awarding a foul at first, but after Fabiano stayed down, he felt he had to give a yellow to keep control. So even if you think the IC player did not get hit by Kaka's elbow or that he did not get hit that hard, Brasil got exactly what they were dishing out.

AS for the actual foul by Kaka, the IC player is clearly looking for the ball, moving into position to receive the throw. Kaka looks over his shoulder and lines the guy up, he knew exactly what he was doing. Kaka CLEARLY bends his arm and lifts it at the incoming player, in referee terms, he was Using His Elbow as a Weapon. Also present in this foul is MOTIVE, Kaka wanted to send a message, 'don't mess with me', problem is, he got caught.

The IC player play-acting and grabbing the face is just one of the despicable parts of the game. I would normally say he deserves a yellow for playing it up, but in the video you can see contact is severe enough to knock him off balance, the grabbing his face... well Brasil should be used to seeing that, they perfected that move.

Posted by: BBFunnyMan | June 20, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Argentinians and Brazilians are masters of the flop. And I must say that the practice is absolutely disgusting and unsportsmanlike. This whole World Cup will leave a bad taste in my mouth after the horrendous officiating and pathetic flopping and embellishment (the flopping was especially bad on Sunday).

Posted by: ASchumacher | June 20, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

After reading some of these comment a few people said so, that some of you did not see the clip but once since that is what the official feed did. At first glance for me on TV, I thought it was a little weak, but watching this clip a few times on Youtube changed my mind.

1) Kaka knew exactly where the player was, he was turned towards the player to start.

2) The IC player did run towards Kaka, but had kaka just put an arm up, they would have bumped and moved on. And IC had the ball, the IC player is watching the thrower and moving into space.

3) Watch Kaka's arm angle, as the player gets close, he takes a naturally positioned arm and bends it. And at the last second, he raises it to get the player in a more vulnerable position. An elbow at normal height hits the stomach, and doesn't hurt much, the ribcage and sternum? Quite a bit more without and of that natural padding.

Clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9m2iHC9Wq0

Incident Replay: @ 3:09

Posted by: BBFunnyMan | June 21, 2010 12:05 AM | Report abuse

Quick explanation is needed for several people posting here. "Elbowing" requires you to actually move your elbow towards someone. You are striking someone with your elbow. Kaka raised his arm in a defensive manner, and importantly did not move his elbow towards Keita. What would you have had Kaka do? Keep his arms down and try to take a charge like a basketball player?

Keita is a prime example of the biggest problem soccer has. It's not the low scoring, it's the epidemic of diving and exaggerating pain. And it works. It was obvious that no ref saw the play. Because even assuming arguendo that Kaka did elbow Keita, no ref would have awarded a card if he saw someone get elbowed in the chest and then grab his face. Which means diving and acting like weakling is rewarded, all the refs had to go on was that acting job. All I can think is that the ref was afraid that he was losing control of the game because there were a lot of dirty tackles after Brazil scored their third goal.

Posted by: Booyah5000 | June 21, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Goff provided a link to his article for Monday's print edition above. Here is Clarke's contribution:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/20/AR2010062002989.html

Posted by: universityandpark | June 21, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

@EliPeyton
hahahahahahah.. Yes, very true. We are all clean, honest, just, fair players in the US. Non of us cheat at any of our sports, politics, economy. All our stuff is better than your stuff.

Isso que e' um pais etnocentrico. So' sabem falar mal dos outros como se tudo aqui fosse perfeito.

Posted by: rccp81 | June 21, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

"Honestly, had I been the ref and seen what happened between the two players, I would have given them both yellow cards."

Yes, but the ref was down the touchline, dealing with a throw-in. At that point in the game the ref was staying extremely close to play because of the high temperature, and not seeing all 360 deg. He probably had to make his decision based on what the Assistant Ref and Fourth Official told him on the headset, and they also were likely watching action around the throw-in more than Kaka. Meanwhile, we, watching the HD replay, have excellent information for our second-guessing.

Posted by: Jim19 | June 21, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

FIFA objects to instant replay because it would slow down the game excessively. Not so. Officials can review tapes while play continues. If it turns out that a card was given wrongly or not given when it should have been, they can contact the referee through his wireless and tell him. At the next dead ball, he either retracts the wrongly given card (waving an ejected player back into the game if necessary) or issues the requisite card that was omitted, while pointing up to the site of the review booth to tell viewers what is transpiring. A penalty kick can also be awarded belatedly if necessary, and a goal scored by an unjustified penalty kick can be canceled.

It's not a perfect solution, but it handles most problems, with essentially no delays.

Posted by: donnolo | June 21, 2010 12:42 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how Americans still have little interest in football (the real one!). Yes, the 2nd goal was illegal, but it has nothing to do with the poll. Kaka did NOT hit the guy on his face, period! And one mistake does NOT justify the other one. Sorry U.S., you can call the Brazilians of anything you want, you can say anything about "soccer", whatever that word means. But the truth is: Football is the number one sport in the WORLD (sadly you think you're not part of this world). And The sporting event with the largest worldwide audience is the FIFA World Cup... NOT MY OPINION, it is a FACT!! And yes, sometimes is annoying, sometimes is boring, and a lot of times unfair, like MOST sports. But i is bigger the the Olympic Games in number of AUDIENCE. It's when the world stops to watch this amazing sport that everybody in THIS world loves. Too bad you guys are from another planet. A planet that calls WORLD CHAMPION the teams who wins the baseball league with only the U.S. and Canada... =D Funny!!! Ohhh, and you win every year, amazing!

Posted by: david_vilar | June 21, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

"Honestly, had I been the ref and seen what happened between the two players, I would have given them both yellow cards."

Yes, but the ref was down the touchline, dealing with a throw-in. At that point in the game the ref was staying extremely close to play because of the high temperature, and not seeing all 360 deg. He probably had to make his decision based on what the Assistant Ref and Fourth Official told him on the headset, and they also were likely watching action around the throw-in more than Kaka. Meanwhile, we, watching the HD replay, have excellent information for our second-guessing.

Posted by: Jim19 | June 21, 2010 12:53 AM | Report abuse

I don't even know what would constitute a dive in hockey.

Posted by: csd1 | June 20, 2010 9:48 PM

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I remember one in the Olympics. The announcers were aghast that a player would deliberately dive to earn a tripping penalty, but it worked. Unless you earn a red card or penalty kick in soccer, a good dive in hockey can be more rewarding with the man advantage.

Posted by: fischy | June 21, 2010 1:14 AM | Report abuse

OT -- Marc Burch played for United last night, and Cristman scored the winner against El Salvador.

Posted by: fischy | June 21, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

it was really unfair.i became so sad to see the beheaveire of ivorian.

i will never forget kaka's swrrowful face.

he is a gentle player.

wish your good luck.

Posted by: tamim_mosharraf | June 21, 2010 1:16 AM | Report abuse

it was really unfair.i became so sad to see the beheaveire of ivorian.

i will never forget kaka's swrrowful face.

he is a gentle player.

wish your good luck.

Posted by: tamim_mosharraf | June 21, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

David_vilar,

Seriously this is the wrong place to troll that rubbish/garbage (whatever word you want to use).

This is a soccer (an English, not American word) blog full of primarily Americans talking about soccer so for you to say we have no interest in it seems a bit contradictory since it is the sport we are currently discussing. How many posts above yours talk about anything related to what you said?

Posted by: Southeasterner | June 21, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

If I were the ref I might have made the same judgement. The poor man was probably distracted or better yet annoyed at the sound of the " vuvuzela horns ". It annoyes me sitting in front of the TV let alone the people inside the stadium. I do not understand why the authorities do allow them knowing well that the majority dislike the sound. Sadly its a black reflection on the host country for being so inconsiderate to visiting fans. BAN THE DARN THING.

Posted by: Tanha1 | June 21, 2010 2:48 AM | Report abuse

this is another example of how the refs are not ready to direct a game also it shows how this countries do not know how to play a fair square game, when theY ARE LOSSING they get mad an start playing dirty the oponent team, is just a shame that this has to happen not just to Kaka but to many other players in the gamens, Hope Fifa would do something against this teamns that do not know how to play a fair square game

Posted by: Tomasa | June 21, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

This is some bullkaka!

Posted by: marco812 | June 21, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

If the soccer (football) community want the US to become a soccer country, it will have to show more reliability in officiating than is has shown recently. Not only toward US teams, but in general.

Posted by: Paaa | June 21, 2010 7:42 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS THE focus? Why is Brazil the media's darling? The most egregious thing in the World Cup, or at least as egregious as the phantom call back against the USA, were the handballs that allowed the dude to score. Australia got a red-card when there was no intent. With Brazil, there was clearly intent, he manipulated the ball with his arm! I could see it on my tiny tv, and I'm a "stupid American." It was on ball, no excuse for ref to miss. Brazil should have been 1-0, no goal, and playing ten. Ivory Coast plays them to a draw in that scenario, and I Kaka can have is bottle back.

Posted by: NovaMike | June 21, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

If the soccer (football) community want the US to become a soccer country, it will have to show more reliability in officiating than is has shown recently. Not only toward US teams, but in general.

Posted by: Paaa | June 21, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

@fischy, I noticed. Were you at the game? Isn't Tenorio or someone supposed to be giving us some DCU info?

Posted by: DadRyan | June 21, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

The Ivory Coast team players should be the ones getting the yellow and red cards. They started to physically hurt the brazilian team players left and right after Brazil scored the goals (They were furious because Brazil was beating them) and were getting away with it. If you looked closely, you could see that Kaka raised his elbow to protect himself against the Ivory Coast player who was running toward him and what did the Ivory coast team player do? Falls onto the floor with his hand on his face to make it look like he was punched in the face... I thought Kaka's elbows touched his stomach????

Posted by: marybth | June 21, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

Kaka's red card was the most deplorable decision I have seen in the WC so far. I believe the ref committee should review the decision and issue a Red Card to the diver also. Blatant acting belongs in Hollywood, not on the soccer field.
For my non soccer savvy friends, they are of the opinion that most fouls are the result of acting. Such actions against Kaka reinforce that view to the casual soccer fan.

Posted by: patrick18 | June 21, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

@uranderson - my friends have been talking about this for a few months now - I agree this should be implemented in footie, though I think it should be fine and suspend at 2, bigger fine and suspend longer at 3, and at 4 - 6 month suspension. And done
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The powers that be implemented a post-match review of every match by a select group of impartial officials.

If a player is found to have conned the officials into a penalty, he receives a warning letter after the first offense, a fine after the second, and is suspended after three.

Posted by: Greent | June 21, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

What's with people complaining about Brazilians diving? The Ivory Coast players were beating up the hell out of them (see Elano and Maicon being hit with the sole?) and the ref did nothing! The guy who sent Elano off with an injury didn't even get booked. What are you supposed to when the one team goes nasty and the ref ignores it?

The ref completely lost control of the match by letting the Ivorians (?) run loose, a few more yellow cards when the nastiness started would have stopped the match from getting that ugly.

Posted by: felipe55 | June 21, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

On the handling of the ball by Luis Fabiano. It should have been disallowed of course, even if it wasn't deliberate. But how come no one from the Ivory Coast complained at the time? If even the players couldn't see it how could the ref?

This is one more reason for instant review like they have in hockey and American football. No reason why they couldn't.

Posted by: felipe55 | June 21, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

David_vilar,

Seriously this is the wrong place to troll that rubbish/garbage (whatever word you want to use).

This is a soccer (an English, not American word) blog full of primarily Americans talking about soccer so for you to say we have no interest in it seems a bit contradictory since it is the sport we are currently discussing. How many posts above yours talk about anything related to what you said?


Posted by: Southeasterner | June 21, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Mr. Vilar is ready to step onto the field as a FIFA referee...completely clueless!!!

Well, that goofy rant was entertaining to me anyway.

Posted by: LAfanofSI | June 21, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

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