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World Cup: 60 years ago, the U.S. shocked England

Take a look at this AP report on the United States' upset of England in the 1950 World Cup.

By Matt Bonesteel  |  June 11, 2010; 9:27 AM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup  
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Who has a good online feed for MEX-SA?

Posted by: glfrazier | June 11, 2010 9:38 AM | Report abuse

espn3.com is even working for me at work

Posted by: Reignking | June 11, 2010 9:40 AM | Report abuse

Does anybody have a good online stream for the MEX-RSA game?

Posted by: glfrazier | June 11, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Pretentious iPhone app for the win! Radio stream in the warehouse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | June 11, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Sweet, Jacob. Amazing what we can do now.

In 4 years, we'll be watching all of this in 3d.

Can we get a matchday thread???

Having audio problems on espn3.

Posted by: Reignking | June 11, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

No match day thread?

Posted by: RedDevil1 | June 11, 2010 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Which iPhone app? Other online options? No ESPN at work.

Posted by: ldmay | June 11, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Lineups?

Posted by: Reignking | June 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Rats! Looks like ESPN3 won't work for me. Thanks for the pointer, though.

Posted by: glfrazier | June 11, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

HERE WE GO!

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

ESPN3 won't work for me at work, but their radio link on the ESPN game cast is working.

"First ball kicked in anger..."

Tommy Smyth

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | June 11, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

JP and Tommy Smyth on ESPN Radio via iPhone. Beggers can't be choosers, I suppose.

WHY THE F AM I EMPLOYED THIS MONTH?!?!?!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Juarez gets a yellow for delay of game on the free kick after his handball. SA freekick sets out a couterattack by MEX. Shot high.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

lost my feed. I'm out.

Posted by: Reignking | June 11, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Have to say, the combo of ESPN audio and their GameCast (running video highlights for scoring chances) is quenching my thirst nicely. Not as nicely as a bar with a 50" flat screen and $3 beers... but not bad.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ref gets the offside call right, ESPN commentator gets it wrong.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 10:44 AM | Report abuse

if ESPN is going to insist on hiring all these Brits at least they could hire a few who actually know the Laws of the Game! Tyler should be slapping down his idiotic sidekick and explaining to him that 2 defenders are required in deciding offside.

Posted by: fedssocr | June 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Worst Offsides call EVER. Mexico corner, ball is headed to Dos Santos at 3 yards who stabs it in. A S. African defender is ON THE FAR post. Linesman calls offsides.

I have no idea how he missed the guy in the bright yellow jersey. He must be on the dole.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 10:46 AM | Report abuse

how was that goal dissallowed? Good looks on the univision link. Good thing I don't really need to be on this phone conference.

Posted by: grubbsbl | June 11, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I need to see it again. It may have been the right call. It is the 2nd to last defender that makes up the offside line, doesn't matter if it is the keeper.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 11, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

He was offside because at the time the header was played to him there was only 1 defender between him and the goal line. the GK had come out off his line. The replay they showed with the grayed area shows the offside line.

Posted by: fedssocr | June 11, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Goal being disallowed is correct. From FIFA's rules:

Offside position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick
Infringements and sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of free kick).

Posted by: CYork1 | June 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Actually, the AR got the offside call right. The goalie had come out ahead of Vela. It was very close -- happened in a split-second, but it was a good call.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Actually, it was not a good call. It was a great call. It's about timewe give proper credit when the officials get a really tough call right. That happened so fast, but the goalie's move put Vela in an offside position.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

I honestly didn't know the rule was interpretted this way. I think the rule is awful as it basically allows for goalie gaffes on corners to go unpunished. I thought to goalie was denotated special status, not just as a defender. See I learn something everyday.

Posted by: grubbsbl | June 11, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

ok, just so i can wrap my brain around the call. the SA guy on the goal line is essentially the goalie (and, thus, doesn't "count"), since the real goalie had come out? if so, man, that was a great call since it happened so fast!

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

He must be on the dole.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 10:46 AM

No, I think he has a job. Perhaps you meant "on the take"? Or "up the pole" if it's a pregnant female linesperson ;-)

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

not exactly. The rule says that if you are nearer the goal line than the 2nd to last defender at the time the ball is played to you, you are offside. Typically the GK is the one closest to the goal line and everyone focuses on the one other field player. But the law just says 2 players, doesn't matter which two.

Posted by: fedssocr | June 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

so, maybe this rule:

• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent

should be changed from "second last opponent" to "goalie"?

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Two defenders means two players on the defending team. It doesn't matter whether one is the GK.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

ok, just so i can wrap my brain around the call. the SA guy on the goal line is essentially the goalie (and, thus, doesn't "count"), since the real goalie had come out? if so, man, that was a great call since it happened so fast!

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 10:59 AM

Simply put, you need two defenders behind the ball to be onside. The keeper - 99% of the time - counts as one of the two defenders. We're so used to looking for that one defender behind the ball, that we overlook where the keeper is. Good thing the linesman didn't!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

BS. That is never called that way and we know it. I don't care what the "rule" is, the reality is that is never called.

And the rule should be changed, in any case.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

He must be on the dole.
Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 10:46 AM
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No, I think he has a job. Perhaps you meant "on the take"?
Posted by: Kev29
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Maybe he's on a pineapple, or Bob or Elizabeth.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

It's not an interpretation -- it is the letter of the law. Second to last opponent. The only special status a goalie has is the right to use his hands in the box -- and maybe additional protections by the referee because of that. Goalies get to do do stuff in the air that would be fouls by other players.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

thanks for the clarification (i think). no need to get a drink...already feel drunk after the explanations!

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@delantero -- You're just wrong. I've seen that call a number of times before, If they hadn't called it, they would have been wrong.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

If the rule was the way you seem to want it to be, then the best thing to do on corners would not be to try and put in a tough header -- you could just get a head on it and direct it to someone who was in a deep position -- deeper than the goalie who has to come out and try to play the initial effort -- and then tap it in to an open net.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

It's that kind of goal-hanging that the rule was created to prevent.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

No, I think he has a job. Perhaps you meant "on the take"? Posted by: Kev29

Date: before 12th century
1 archaic : one's allotted share, portion, or destiny

ergo, on the dole = on the take

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

It's that kind of goal-hanging that the rule was created to prevent.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

yessssssssssssssssssssss.........no offsides on that one.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

GOAL SA on a sweet counter. Tshabalala.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Actually, it was not a good call. It was a great call. It's about time we give proper credit when the officials get a really tough call right.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 10:56 AM |

+1

Posted by: Pedalada | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

On a corner kick? Goal hanging?

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

GOAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bafana Bafana!

Meheeeco Meheeeco, HA HA HA!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

South Africa 1 Mexico 0 2nd half

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | June 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow. All of a sudden, I'm remembering Wynalda's free-kick goal against Sweden. Maybe South Africa will catch the same kind of magic the USA had in '94 and get through against better teams.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I think all "delanteros" have their own ideas about what constitutes offside.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

i have no clue what delantero is talking about. AR made the perfect call. surprised the brit commentators don't understand the rule either.

i had to get back to work for halftime, did the halftime analysis guys at least explain the call?

Posted by: joe_hill | June 11, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

typical african team - attacking with too many numbers with a lead.

fischy, i think that wynalda goal was against switzerland, not sweden, but point taken.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Giovanni's little brother would have scored there.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Another World Cup to laugh at Mexico - how sweet it is!!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

On a corner kick? Goal hanging?

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:17 AM
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You want different rules for corner kicks? A rule that prohibits goal-hanging on all but set plays? Except, when does the set play end and regular play resume?

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It looks like the announcers finally admitted that that the offsides call was correct.

Posted by: source100 | June 11, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@birdynumnum -- Thanks for the correction. Sweden sounded wrong as I was typing it, but it sounds pretty close to Switzerland...

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

¡Ya viene Cuau!

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hey Goff, Tenoria, Bonesteel . . .

Can we get in game/per match threads?

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Blanco, the cry baby, comes on.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I don't know why Vela was starting in the first place. I was questioning it at the start. He's much, much better, when he comes on as a sub.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

GOOD foul.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Mexico looking very ordinary.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm questioning what you call "goal-hanging", crashing the goal on a corner kick and gettting a well placed flick isn't goal hanging.

It's a dumb rule. GK shouldn't count as a defender in that situation.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Hernandez, Blanco, and Guardado -- I probably would have started all 3 (at least Hernandez and Guardado).

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Um, yes he should. He IS a defender at all times. he just happens to be allowed to use his hands too.

Posted by: amorris525 | June 11, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

how does a keeper not count as a "defender"? it doesn't matter what position you are, there have to be 2 people of the opposing team between you and the goal when the ball is passed. you are getting too hung up on the word "defender".

Posted by: joe_hill | June 11, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Mexico already played their Cup.

Friendlies against England, Netherlands and Italy and a bunch of lesser teams. Zero energy today.

Posted by: delantero | June 11, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Seriously, man, give up.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

How on earth is anyone arguing a call that prevented Mexico from scoring?!?!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

i had a bad feeling that CONCACAF was going to crash and burn in this cup. this game seems to be bearing this out.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Crap. MEX equalizes on poor marking by SA.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

BAD defense.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

my fault. i should have never sent my last post. damn.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

1-1

Posted by: Kev29 | June 11, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

BIDEN! Drink!

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I'm questioning what you call "goal-hanging", crashing the goal on a corner kick and gettting a well placed flick isn't goal hanging.

It's a dumb rule. GK shouldn't count as a defender in that situation.

--------------------------------------------

I'm not sure what you mean by well-placed flick. If you're closer than the second-to-last defender on any play, when the ball is played by your teammate, you're offside. If however, you move up after the ball is played -- and then you're in a position to put in a rebound -- oryou're in a position like Marquez found himself -- then you're not offside.

You can't be offside on a throw-in. I could see a similar rule for corner kicks, but as soon as another player touches the ball in the field of play, you can be offside. So, even under a rule that made corner kicks like throw-ins, Vela would still have been offside.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

joe biden in the crowd complete with ear plugs.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

JABULANI!

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | June 11, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Biden looking dashing with that red blanket draped over his shoulders.

Posted by: benonthehill | June 11, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Excuse me -- the rule is already there. You can't be offside on a corner kick. That ends though, when a teammate touches the ball.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

joe biden in the crowd complete with ear plugs.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:45 AM
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Don't forget the hair plugs....

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This is an unusual Mexican team. They are not diving.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

the SA goalie should make a video on "how to distribute the ball". he has been awesome!

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 11, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

SA will be disappointed, but it's a decent result for them.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@I-270 -- The thing is it still leaves them needing to steal a win against a better side. Drawing with Mexico is good, but they may have missed their best chance to get the win they're going to need.

Posted by: fischy | June 11, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

france is awful under crazy ray, so RSA still has a good chance to get a win

Posted by: joe_hill | June 11, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

South Africa 190 for 5 against Windies.

Oops, wrong sport.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 11, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

What story on the 1950 US vs Eng, which seems to sure happen again.

Posted by: RM27 | June 11, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

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