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World Cup tiebreakers: Where the U.S. stands

Here are the scenarios for the United States to advance to the World Cup round of 16.

IF THE U.S. DEFEATS ALGERIA ON WEDNESDAY
It will advance to the round of 16

IF THE U.S. TIES ALGERIA
It will advance if Slovenia defeats England on Wednesday. It will advance if Slovenia and England tie and England finishes with fewer total goals than the United States. The United States will not advance with a tie and an England win over Slovenia.

IF THE U.S. LOSES TO ALGERIA
It will not advance.

By Matt Bonesteel  |  June 18, 2010; 4:38 PM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup  
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Oh,America,just beat Algeria!!!

Posted by: ouyangpauline | June 18, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Is it Wednesday yet?

Posted by: CACuzcatlan | June 18, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Easy. Win and they're in. I can deal with that.

Posted by: tgoren71 | June 18, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Oh America, just beat Algeria!!!!

Posted by: ouyangpauline | June 18, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Heck, this is the first time EVER that all those scenarios sound very, very likely. England=atrocious, Slovenia have the defense and the finishing.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | June 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

when the US were losing 2-0 at halftime, i turned to my son and said: "now we HAVE to root for a tie between england and algeria. too bad that's not going to happen!". even with the disallowed goal, a pretty good day after all. how wierd would it be to win the group and have to play germany after all?? ok, getting ahead of myself.

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 18, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well guys, there it is. Go out and do your thing for 90 min. Not 20, 30, a half or even an hour. 90 min.

This is what you worked for for so long. All the abuses you suffered on those trips to Central America, all the doubters, the knocks, the dings, the pain and the blood. All of it...This is it, boys. No assumptions, no egos, no favorites, and no arrogance. Put on the shirt, roll up those sleeves and fight for the win.

Fight for your team, your supporters...fight for your flag!

BEAT ALGERIA!!

USA! USA! USA!

Posted by: Kosh2 | June 18, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Kosh2, +1

BELIEVE!

Posted by: Truckr | June 18, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

+2

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 18, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Pretty clear what job #1 is; and it's not likely to be an easy one.

Posted by: agoldhammer | June 18, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

So if US ties 0-0 and England ties 2-2, everything is equal and we do a coin flip?
What a way to advance/go home!!

Posted by: westom | June 18, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much the same situation as 4 years ago vs Ghana...

A must win game (well, not technically) vs an unknown tean they should beat. We all know how that went.

As of right now, having seen Algeria match (outplay?) Endland for 90 minutes, I'm not sure I have much faith we can win it.

And I'm the eternal optimist...

Posted by: tphasbdp | June 18, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

I think the US can even win the group, though only in two scenarios:

- England beats Slovenia but US beats Algeria by a greater margin.

- England ties Slovenia and the US beats Algeria by more than one goal (i.e., by more than Slovenia beat Algeria).

Posted by: kevinwparker | June 18, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

no more findley please. Bring on Buddle

Posted by: castroviejo | June 18, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

A must win game (well, not technically) vs an unknown tean they should beat. We all know how that went.

Posted by: tphasbdp | June 18, 2010 5:26 PM

Ghana had a better team than us in '06 and they proved that on the pitch. There is no country we should or should not beat once we get past very early CONCACAF qualifiers. Next Wednesday could go either way, I'm just praying and rooting for our guys to play well.

Posted by: Kev29 | June 18, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@westom

Yikes! FIFA should have a better tiebreaker. Even if its something as trivial as last goal scored it's better than pulling ping pong balls out of a pot. (Well maybe if it's Charleze again it won't be so bad).

The draw between ENG and ALG opened up a couple extra ways through. Now any victory puts the US through (they would've needed to win by 2 in the event of an ENG-SLV draw, or win by 1 and score more goals than SLV). And a draw put the US through if ENG Draws or loses (unless ENG make up two goals in the GF column).

But I would've liked the US's chances even if England had won this afternoon, but the draw just improves it a little more.

But enough with the crappy first halves from these guys. It seems they have played so poorly in the opening minutes every match since the Honduras match in qualifying in Chicago.

Bradley doesn't seem to get these guys motivated until they're in a hole. That habit better stop.

Posted by: gr8nylacbiz | June 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Findley's out on yellows.

Posted by: seahawkdad | June 18, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Bradley doesn't seem to get these guys motivated until they're in a hole. That habit better stop.

Posted by: gr8nylacbiz | June 18, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

is it motivation, or just nervousness and fear creating a collective brain-cramp? i tend to think it's more the latter. you could tell gooch "over-thought" the play today: he remembered the goal england scored, so instead of committing to the attacker, he laid back. either way, these early goals are killing them (and us).

Posted by: birdynumnum | June 18, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Who gets the better seed in Round of 16 if US beats Algeria 1-0 and England beats Slovenia 3-2?

Posted by: jonb6 | June 18, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

So Goldman Sachs got Fabulous Fab, leaving England with "Not So Fabulous" Fab . . . .

Posted by: OWNTF | June 18, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

@jonb6,

Pretty sure it depends on how Sepp has to rig the coin flip to avoid matching England with Germany.

Posted by: benonthehill | June 18, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

EASY- remember that headline? SUCK IT ENGLAND!

Now, anyone else notice we turned it up once Findley went off? How about our defense without Onyewu?

Also, why can't this team attack in number ALL OF THE TIME? We attack great when we need to score, we must attack great when we are tied or ahead as well. I want to see this team beat Algeria because we OVERWHELM THEM!!!

Posted by: elfelixg | June 18, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

what happens if the u.s. ties algeria, england and slovenia tie, and the u.s. and england have the same amount of goals?

Posted by: garyhalperinyoga | June 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

^^^^

free yoga lessons?

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | June 18, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

This article appears to be incorrect in asserting that the U.S. advances no matter what if they beat Algeria. Article 39, clause 5 of the FIFA regulations says:

5. The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.

Let's say the U.S. beats Algeria 1-0, and England beats Slovenia 2-0. Both the U.S. and England would have five points. The next tiebreaker is goal differential, and England would win that tiebreaker because they would have a bigger goal differential than the U.S..

Posted by: ecs1 | June 18, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

^^ In this case USA & England would have 5 pts each. Slovenia would have 4 and be out. Goald difference would only give England the #1 spot, USA 2nd.

We win, we're in. Just a matter of 1st or 2nd.

Posted by: tphasbdp | June 18, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Oops. What I posted a little early isn't correct, both the U.S. and England would qualify for the second round, but what I said would determine the seeding in the group. Sorry.

Posted by: ecs1 | June 18, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Oops. What I said earlier isn't correct; both the U.S. and England would qualify if they ended up with five points, but the tiebreakers would decide the seeding between the two going into the second round. Sorry.

Posted by: ecs1 | June 18, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Good stuff from Richard Williams in tomorrow's Guardian...

"Today's other match in England's group, between USA and Slovenia, was a cracker of a 2-2 draw, with USA coming back from two goals down and scoring an equaliser through their coach's son, Michael Bradley.

This tournament is giving nepotism a good name.

Diego Maradona's son-in-law, Sergio Agüero, had a hand in two of Argentina's goals against South Korea on Thursday.

Unfortunately Fabio Capello's son, Pierfilippo, is a lawyer by profession and, as an Italian national, unqualified to get England out of the hole in which they find themselves."

Posted by: Kev29 | June 18, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | June 18, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

what happens if the u.s. ties algeria, england and slovenia tie, and the u.s. and england have the same amount of goals?

Posted by: garyhalperinyoga | June 18, 2010 7:04 PM | Report abuse

According to FIFA rules France would advance.

Posted by: Southeasterner | June 18, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

I watched our non-goal replay more times than I can count and I'm now 100% convinced that there was a foul with Edu on that play...but he was fouled.

This may be one of the first times in WC history a player who was being held and grabbed was called for the foul and his goal was called back.

I like the fact that Gomez had to restrain Altidore from attacking the ref at the end.

Posted by: Southeasterner | June 18, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I think England are done for. It will be us and Slovenia going through.

We had to beat Egypt last year and we did. It will be a neat sort of symmetry to beat Algeria...the team that kept Egypt out of the WC.

Posted by: fedssocr | June 18, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Oddly enough I'm an American who grew up in Algeria, so I will be in a world of trouble on Wednesday...

Posted by: edgeonyou | June 18, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

According to FIFA rules France would advance.

Posted by: Southeasterner

Well in, my friend. Well in.

Posted by: Pedalada | June 18, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

More humorous England fall-out... (Guardian)

"It was all too much for one fan who barged his way into the England dressing room in Cape Town following the match and hurled abuse at David Beckham, a non-playing member of manager Fabio Capello's staff.

The FA, which made a complaint to Fifa, said players were unnerved by the "unacceptable" incident, but added that no serious harm was done."

Posted by: Kev29 | June 18, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Kev, I believe that fan was Landon Donovan, who is still upset Becks didn't pick up that dinner tab.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | June 18, 2010 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Zing!

Posted by: Kev29 | June 18, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I'm still just speechless over the disallowed goal.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | June 18, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Oh America, just beat Algeria!!!!
Posted by: ouyangpauline

Right On!

From the Halls of Montezuma . .

To the Shores of Tripoli . . .

We will fight our countries battles

On the air, on sea and . on the pitch . .


Posted by: delantero | June 18, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

If someone told me before the World Cup all we had to do to qualify for the 2nd round was beat Algeria . . . . I'd take the bet.

Posted by: delantero | June 18, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

We will fight our countries battles

On the air, the pitch and on the sea . .

Sounds better.

So would a 1-0 win on Wednesday.

Posted by: delantero | June 18, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

Should be an interesting day next Wednesday. It is looking like Wayne Rooney's Nike nightmare might come true. He looked like he had a good start on the beard today.

Posted by: csd1 | June 18, 2010 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Interesting reading the posts here that the phantom foul and disgrace of a referee has overshadowed the travesty that is Bradley's decision to play a striker that can's score or create for others. Findley is simply overmatched at this level

Posted by: asnis715 | June 19, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Pee wee football...
They are far from first class football.

Posted by: colle | June 19, 2010 12:29 AM | Report abuse

"Pretty much the same situation as 4 years ago vs Ghana...

A must win game (well, not technically) vs an unknown tean they should beat. We all know how that went."

Posted by: tphasbdp | June 18, 2010 5:26 PM __________________

Not exactly. Ghana's one of the best African teams and has been for a while. They emerged on the world scene with a bronze at the '92 Olympics and have either won or placed in a number of U-17 and U-20 tourneys since.

Algeria may be the weakest African qualifier (they were better 8-10 years ago) and despite holding England, they should be outmatched by the US.

Posted by: 1fasthoo | June 19, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

Findley is simply overmatched at this level

Posted by: asnis715 | June 19, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I remember back in the days we had this guy who scored two goals against Australia and played incredibly well with Donovan, I think he even played with him for the Galaxy. It's too bad he disappeared.

Wasn't his name like Bundle or Bubble or something? :-)

Posted by: Southeasterner | June 19, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Just give it your best shot Yanks .
Algeria will fancy there chances they got a get out of jail card getting a point of Engurland which gives them a chance against you
As for the English they will be bricking it after another howler of a display ,
The media and there fans
(who had them in the semi finals of The World Cup 3 seconds after the draw was made ) are now ripping them up for toilet paper ,its brilliant to watch and rightly so bunch off over paid bottle merchants when the tough get going they dont .


Mon The Colonials

Posted by: Jaggybunnet | June 19, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

If you want to express your displeasure on the quality of refereeing from Koman Coulibaly and the lack of Fair Play you can contact FIFA at:

http://www.fifa.com/contact/form.html

Choose the "Feedback on National Team's Fixtures and Results" option.

Let's let FIFA know what we think! Don't Tread On Me!

Posted by: Golden_Child | June 19, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

With the way Group D is going, you have to wonder if finishing first or second in our group is better/worse.

Posted by: idiparker | June 19, 2010 2:44 AM | Report abuse

For someone who is usually outraged by calls, I'm surprisingly sanguine about the third goal (which it should have been). Reminded me of the Sol Campbell goal disallowed in '98 in England v. Argentina. Sometimes refs get caught in the hype too and I don't think he saw the whole thing.

But that doesn't diminish the best USA game in a World Cup in my lifetime. Such great belief. I've seen a lot of them and knew if we got an equalizer that we would find a way to get something out of the game.

Not fun being the happiest man in Victoria Station, though. :)

Posted by: blackadder11 | June 19, 2010 3:39 AM | Report abuse

Tiebreakers in the World Cup are:

The ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria, their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee..

In other words, if the US and England both tied on Wednesday, and England scored two more goals than the US in its tie (for example, US 1-1 Algeria and England 3-3 Slovenia), FIFA would draw lots to determine who advances, since every other tiebreaker would fail.

Posted by: Nemo24601 | June 19, 2010 7:21 AM | Report abuse

Not fun being the happiest man in Victoria Station, though. :)

Posted by: blackadder11
-------------------------
you know, Capello does look and act a little like Prince George. was that Baldrick in goal against the US?

Posted by: troy6 | June 19, 2010 7:23 AM | Report abuse

One of the English tabloids had a "ten things we learnt" list:

1. We will all remember where we were the day Lennon was sh*t.

Can't remember the others.

Tough crowd, eh Wayne?

Posted by: OWNTF | June 19, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

You have to admit it is crazy and exciting that all four teams have reasonable chances to advance. Algeria advances if they and Slovenia win, England advances if they and the U.S. win, etc. etc.

Posted by: paulkp | June 19, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

If both the US and England are tied after the first three criteria, then it comes down to lots drawn out of a hat. The other tie breakers regarding the teams tied, which would be the same for all criteria.

1 - Points (3 all)
2 - Goals differential (0 all)
3 - Goals scored (3 US, 1 England after 2)

BB

Posted by: FairlingtonBlade | June 19, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Just f**** win. Next question?

Posted by: peter_nd | June 19, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

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