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D.C. United: stadium update, Junior, injuries, movie

Please tell me you haven't been holding your breath all these months (and years) over a new stadium for D.C. United! (It's just not good for your physical or mental health.)

Okay, here's the latest from club president Kevin Payne:

United is awaiting the results of the economic feasibility study being conducted by the Maryland Stadium Authority in regard to a possible project in Baltimore near the Ravens football and Orioles baseball facilities. Payne expects the final report to be released in September.

"I won't categorize [the stadium effort], but in Maryland, there is a clearer, tried-and-true process," he said. "It's potentially a fairly clean deal because there is a developer, there is available land and there's the Maryland Stadium Authority. Once the economic report comes out, then the city and the state will decide if ultimately that is something they want to move forward with."

Baltimore is the only site in Maryland under consideration at the moment, Payne said.

As for Washington, "We are quietly having some conversations in D.C. with developers and others. We will see if there are any real possibilities here," Payne said, adding that Poplar Point, the club's first choice for a new facility to replace RFK Stadium, "is a fairly confused situation right now" because of issues with the transfer of land from federal to city hands.

And Virginia? "We still have had a few conversations with the developer. It's a little more difficult to do things like this in Virginia because it's harder to finance. Effectively, the public entities will not get involved."

Bottom line: Enjoy RFK Stadium for the foreseeable future.

Keep reading.....

*United will decide this week whether to offer a contract to Brazilian midfielder Junior Carreiro, an 18-year-old right wing who has been training with the club for several months. He is the younger brother of Fred, the former DCU attacker now with the Philadelphia Union.

Judging from General Manager Dave Kasper's comments about Junior, an offer is in the works. "He is a good long-term prospect," he said. "In the last two months, coaches have spent a lot of time with him becoming more of a two-way player, but he has good attacking qualities, good vision, he's a good passer, strikes the ball well. He is someone we would see more down the line and not coming in and making an immediate impact."

United has a roster slot available following Christian Castillo's departure. It could also place midfielder Brandon Barklage on the season-ending injured list, Kasper said. Junior played the entire second half of United's 4-0 victory over Portsmouth on Saturday.

*Defenders Marc Burch (foot) and Dejan Jakovic (hamstring) are scheduled to resume full workouts this week. Midfielder-forward Chris Pontius (foot) might be available for Saturday's match at Real Salt Lake. Defender Juan Manuel Pena (quadriceps) is still at least a week away.

*The highly acclaimed soccer documentary, "Pelada," will be shown Tuesday evening at the Avalon Theatre in Northwest D.C. United assistant coach Ben Olsen will introduce the film. Other D.C. players, as well as director-producer Ryan White, are scheduled to attend. Twenty percent of proceeds go to the club's charitable arm, United for D.C. Click here for more information.

By Steve Goff  |  July 26, 2010; 3:24 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  | Tags: D.C. United  
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Comments

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Posted by: rickinashburn | July 26, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

So KP didn't have anything to say about Northern Virginia Steve???
I was down in Potomac Yards yesterday and I swear there is still some room for a soccer stadium... maybe not for parking, but...

Posted by: DadRyan | July 26, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I can't remember the last time we had a stadium update...

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like Baltimore is his number 1 option. Good luck with that.

Posted by: mbyrd28 | July 26, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

So KP didn't have anything to say about Northern Virginia Steve???

Posted by: DadRyan
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Goff wrote:
"And Virginia? "We still have had a few conversations with the developer. It's a little more difficult to do things like this in Virginia because it's harder to finance. Effectively, the public entities will not get involved."

Reads to me as no govt help in VA at all; no infrastructure costs, no tax incentives...basically "shove it".

Thanks for the update, Steve. I just wish there was something about this club that wasn't zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz right now.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | July 26, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

There's less of a chance of getting a stadium built in/around Potomac Yard than there is of magical fairies creating a new stadium for DCU at Poplar Point out of litter in the Anacostia. JKC tried and tried to get a stadium built there for the Redskins, the most popular entity of any sort in the DC area, and the residents of north Old Town and Del Ray squashed it. DCU would have no chance.


Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | July 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

At what point does Will Chang begin to seriously field offers from other cities for a relocation of DC United?

As much as other folks may wish to kid themselves, DCU does not have the iconic status in the league that it enjoyed a decade ago. A move out of DC then would have been unthinkable. Today, with the buzz in New York, Toronto, Philly, the Pacific Northwest ... DC is becoming an afterthought.

We know that Garber is likely to cap expansion at 20 teams, and the last slot is likely headed for a second franchise in New York. So cities like St. Louis, Miami, Atlanta, and others can't get an expansion team to meet their MLS fix.

Relocation of an existing MLS team is the only answer in that case. And will Garber and the league really turn down a good ownership group with a guaranteed SSS to keep DC United playing in creaky RFK with declining attendances every year?

The handwriting is on the wall ...

Posted by: jofij | July 26, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Yura Movsisyan goes 85 today...
Alejandro Bedoya 90

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I thought that location near the Ravens and Orioles was going to be a facility for Crystal Palace Baltimore? It was to be a 10 - 15k seater stadium? Maybe DCU will sell team and change name to Crystal Palace Baltimore? :-(

Posted by: Charisma_Man | July 26, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

christopher_a_metzler, and that was before anything was built there.

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Do they really think the fan base will travel to B-More to follow DC United? Kevin Payne is worried about his pockets and not the source of the income.
As the cholo would say "Its whatever, holmes!"

I-95 is a mess, good luck FO

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | July 26, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

What does FO stand for there?

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I highly suggest seeing PELADA. It is a great view into how the rest of the world plays the game at the most base level. I saw it with my son in Asheville several months ago and we both thought it was AWESOME!!!

Posted by: asocrlovr | July 26, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The stadium "news" isn't shocking, but disappointing all the same.

I still can't imagine that the team would move to Baltimore before pursuing other relocation alternatives. Baltimore really is a different market all together and much of the current fanbase would be displaced.

I will keep my fingers crossed that a miracle stadium opportunity will come through. (At least see what happens after primaries this Fall!)

Posted by: TheGreat8 | July 26, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

What does FO stand for there?

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Front-office but it can be anything anyone wants it to be. Its open for translation.

=)

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | July 26, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Relocation of an existing MLS team is the only answer in that case. And will Garber and the league really turn down a good ownership group with a guaranteed SSS to keep DC United playing in creaky RFK with declining attendances every year?

The handwriting is on the wall ...

Posted by: jofij | July 26, 2010 3:48 PM

The problem with your argument is that currently, none of the places you mentioned have either good ownershipgroups, or guaranteed SSSes, thus they are no more attactive to the League than the current situation. Also, Garber would likely much rather collect the ridiculous "expansion fee" of $40M+ from the 20th team, rather than letting one of the potential bidding locales snag DCU for free. At this point, Baltimore feels (to me at least) like the only legitimate threat for relocation.

Posted by: VTUnited | July 26, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Remind me again why they don't raze RFK and sell the land to United?

They could pitch it this way:

The Chuck Schumer field at Obama Stadium. Make it the nation's first "green" stadium with seats made with recycled plastic, goals made with recycled aluminum, and wind- and solar-powered lighting. A portion of each ticket sold will go to save rain forests in Costa Rica, or to the Free Tibet Foundation. The stadium could be built using union "workers" only, on a livable wage. Only Pepsi products will be sold. The parking lot could be reserved, for free, for G20 protesters (as needed). Those driving fuel-efficient vehicles park for half price. Bring a can of food for the needy, get a free vuvuzela (made of recycled plastic).

It's fail-proof.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | July 26, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Only Pepsi? We have to subsidize substandard cola?

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Rand-al-Thor's snark aside, I don't see why they dont build a stadium in the Lot 8 parking lot. They should be able to get some favorable lease arrangement for that, I would think.

The reason that was not under consideration originally was because they wanted space for additional development rights along with it. But if they build a Baltimore stadium between Camden Yards, Ravens stadium, and 395 there, there's no room for any ancillary development either. Let's just get a stadium in DC done.

Posted by: joe_hill | July 26, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

ugh.......one day....maybe one day we'll have a stadium........sigh

Posted by: invncbl | July 26, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom line: Enjoy RFK Stadium for the foreseeable future."
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That sounds like the optimistic scenario.

Goff, any rumblings on the possible second DP signing that
Tenorio reported a few weeks ago?

Posted by: benonthehill | July 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Rand-al-Thor's snark aside, I don't see why they dont build a stadium in the Lot 8 parking lot. They should be able to get some favorable lease arrangement for that, I would think.


Posted by: joe_hill

Lease arrangement? You've been around long enough to know this answer.

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Rand-al-Thor's snark aside, I don't see why they dont build a stadium in the Lot 8 parking lot. They should be able to get some favorable lease arrangement for that, I would think.


Posted by: joe_hill

Lease arrangement? You've been around long enough to know this answer.

Posted by: Reignking | July 26, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I also recommend checking out the movie Pelada. It was available from FIOS On Demand during the World Cup. It's a great movie all the way around.

Posted by: jwgreen40 | July 26, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@Rand-al-Thor,

Plus, at Chuck Schumer Field we could pretty well guarantee a heavy media/TV presence. On the other hand, the hot air radiating from the field might make it unplayable.

Posted by: benonthehill | July 26, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

re: "As much as other folks may wish to kid themselves, DCU does not have the iconic status in the league that it enjoyed a decade ago. "

You are right. Despite a few down seasons, DC United has MORE iconic status than it did 10 years ago.

DC United is the most successful soccer club in the hisotry of the United States. There are more great players that have played for DC United than any other club. We still have the best player ever to play in this league, Jaime Moreno.

Hey, not only that, but we have, by far, the coolest looking uniforms in the league, and are not outdone by any Euro kits.

Every where I have travelled throughout the US and wore my DCU shirt, people have recognized it. Try that with a Real Salt Lake shirt. Speaking of whom, they won the cup, but people STILL don't go to their games! Same deal with the Crew. They have been good for years, but they are unheard of and ignored and play in an empty stadium IN COLUMBUS.

Chivas is good, but they are twisting in the wind in LA. I could go on. Colorado? Massive flop, probably irreparable, even with a new stadium. Dallas? As good as dead. There are much better candidates for relo than DCU. DCU might be down the table for the time being, but cachet, we got it in spades compared to ANYBODY in the league.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 26, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

This from CPB's website explains their take on the Balto stadium situation

http://www.palacebaltimore.com/facilities/future/index_E.html

Posted by: OWNTF | July 26, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Dead United Walking

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Re: Rand-al-Thor

RFK is already a shining example of a "green stadium." It's in a constant state of recycle. It was a baseball stadium, recycled into a football stadium, recycled into a soccer stadium, seats are taken from other sections of the stadium to replace broken ones in the lower bowls... and yet, it's still standing... serving a purpose.

:)

Posted by: TCompton | July 26, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

TCompton, and don't forget that pieces of concrete fall off and return to the dust of the earth at random intervals. Hopeully while not taking unsuspecting fan(s) with them.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 26, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

If that is the case, Ron and TC, then surely RFK is a shovel-ready project, no?

Snark aside, it's the most obvious solution. The infrastructure is already in place. They just need to replace one stadium with a smaller one that will actually generate some revenue for the city, will give United ownership a fighting chance to make a little money, and give the city an excellent professional sports club.

Oh, but silly me. That will require government to actually FUNCTION!

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | July 26, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Ron16: Dude, Chivas is not "flapping in LA". Average YTD attendance of over 14,500. Not too far behind DCU.

Columbus: Just under 14k and up 6+% from last year.

And RSL, who won the Cup and "still can't draw" is sitting pretty at 16,631, not even a one and a half percent increase from year to date last year.

4 teams out of a pontential 15 are down, the rest are up, including Dallas, up to 11,231, a gain of just short of 30%. Fact of the matter is, even with some of the teams not really garnerning these huge attendance numbers, most of the league is growing.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 26, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

#1-Crystal Palace is living in Fantasyland if they think they can compete with United for a stadium if United does indeed want to go there. In addition, CP is known to have financial troubles and there is a rumor that they may fold.

#2-This will not make me very popular but it is the truth. If by some miracle United strikes a deal with a local jurisdiction and it meets NIMBY opposition then the United supporters must do a better job then they did with respect to PG County. I know everyone has a busy schedule but just sending an e-mail is not going to cut it. I guarantee you if United would have had thousands of supporters in Annapolis that day instead of a paltry 70 or so (which I was one of) then things would have been very different. Faces speak a whole lot louder than e-mails do.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | July 26, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

At what point does Will Chang begin to seriously field offers from other cities for a relocation of DC United?

Posted by: jofij | July 26, 2010 3:48 PM

They are looking at another city, it's called Baltimore

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

The Nationals don't own their own stadium, right? I assume that since it's a tax payer funded stadium, they are on some 50 year lease or something that costs them some marginal amount per year.

Even if there is no way in hell the stadium will be built with DC taxpayer funds, find a way to have like a 50 year or 99 year lease on the land, DCU pays for the actual stadium.

Posted by: joe_hill | July 26, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Jacob from Atlanta, well I posted a reply but it apparently disappeared into the ether. To summarize, those clubs aren't putting anywhere near those numbers of fannies in seats with any regularity at all. And regardless of their inflated numbers, those teams have no cachet. None. Even in their own home towns. Which was my larger point. DCU has it in spades compared to the rest of the league. Its only rival in that regard is Seattle. But even Seattle is largely a legend in its own mind. Nobody would recognize a Sounders shirt outside of Seattle.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 26, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

If DCU wants a stadium built in DC, it'll have to wait until Fenty leaves office. He doesn't believe in stadiums where taxpayers pay more than half the cost of construction. Kevin Payne, however, does. Fenty would probably want to see something like Rio Tinto Stadium (from the RSL website):

Stadium Cost: $110 million
Private Investment: $65 million
Public Investment: $45 million

Payne, in one of his chats on the DCU site within the last year, said this kind of deal was "not realistic," if I remember right.

Posted by: Juan-John1 | July 26, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

If United finds a developer to partner with (very unlikely), who can bankroll the project, they still might have huge problems with the District when it comes to even approving a place to put it. Even with the city spending only a tiny amount - don't even consider public funding for the actual arena! This is looking very, very grim. For the first time in this whole stadium debacle I can see United - more than likely - leaving for Baltimore. I'll hold out till the day they move, but if it happens then it's bye bye MLS for me. Someone can brief me on the young players when they're called into the national team.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

Buzzard point...DC's stadium district.

re: RFK's green bonafides...don't forget the extensive hot dog recycling program.

Sign Junior, he looked impressive on Saturday.

Posted by: DCB23 | July 26, 2010 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Ron's right about the team's appeal here. I haven't seen numbers, but I bet DCU was getting a higher average crowd than NYRB was in their new palace. That might change with Henry now, but it just proves the point about what DCU could expect with a new park and some major signings. They don't need to leave the area -- they just need a new facility.

As for the Crystal Palace thing -- it's true that the city and Stadium Authority are considering separate proposals for 2 different stadiums -- Palace in Camden, and United in Westport. The two proposals aren't inherently in opposition to each other. However, if DCU moves up 95 to B'more, it's hard to believe that Palace will have the fan base left to support the second-tier team, much less a new stadium for that team.

As my life seems to be pulling me more and more into Columbia, I would probably find it easier if DCU did move to Baltimore. That said, I hope they can work out something in the District. Poplar Point is a legal black hole right now. It's a nice idea, but... So, either they build on the other side of the river, near the Navy Yard/Nationals Park site, or they make a push for a new home on the RFK grounds. Here's how I could see that scenario developing...

In December, the USA will be awarded the 2022 Cup. England's problems might lead to a split in the European vote, but I don't think there's a serious chance of the 2018 Cup being held outside of Europe. So, the USA gets the Cup for 2022.

FIFA and the USSF hold out a huge carrot -- a World Cup opener or final being held in a new DC stadium with a retractable roof and A/C. Some time next year, with reports of a growing economy, newly re-elected Mayor Fenty works a deal for the return of the Redskins, after 2017 (for tax reasons the team needs to stay in FedEx for at least 20 years -- to depreciate the cost of building the stadium). Also, SuperFund issues and drafting an environmental impact statement mean a protracted clean-up effort before a new stadium can be built. 5 years at a minimum...maybe longer.

Maybe, they even set 2022 as the opening date, with the World Cup final being the official grand opening (besides some soft opener before to work out bugs). To make it work, the city needs to have a team on site, so as to maintain the lease from the federal park service. So, a deal is brokered to build a soccer stadium on the site, in one of the parking lots.

Or, DCU goes to Baltimore, where the land is cheap and the plan is in place.

Posted by: fischy | July 26, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

@Juan-John -- DCU was looking to hold the line at about $25 million over 10 years of rent...if I remember right. More substantial investment would be tough to swing, and I'm doubtful that Chang can afford direct investment. Everything I read and hear is that Chang doesn't have money to sink into the club. Without finding new partners with deep pockets (or selling outright), Chang will run the team on a tight budget. That's why they sign a DP like Brankovic, whose salary is paid almost entirely by the league...instead of a bigger name thet would command more money from the team itself.

That's probably why someone like Junior might be attractive to the FO. I'm guessing he doesn't have a lot of options. He might even take the league minimum. He might develop -- he definitely has good ball skills for his age. Still, I wasn't all that impressed with him in the reserve game I saw -- he looked like a really raw kid. I read the comments to mean they'd rather sign him after the season -- keep him around to practice with the team, the way the Fire held on to those two draft picks they just signed

Posted by: fischy | July 26, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

We are not outdrawing the Red Bulls this season, fisch...

http://www.mls-daily.com/2010/03/2010-mls-attendance.html

And that's not counting the highly attended friendlies last week - just league, pre-Henry.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Steven Goff,
Thank you for looking in to the Maryland Stadium Authority DCU initiative again. This has been a priority within MSA for some time now and they want DCU in a facility either in/around Camden Yards / Brewers Hill / Westport. MSA is 8 weeks away from presenting a total solution similiar to Philly facility. Baltimore has enjoyed its taste of soccer money and recognizes DCU revenue source + international activity + regional lacrosse + concert alternative to miserable 1st Mariner Arena. That is a BIG PLAY here in that it offers a mid-size modern alternative to many 1st Mariner concert events or shows that pass Baltimore by for NOVA & DC. This is real and w/no DC or NOVA options: metro to Bmore then a water taxi to Inner Harbor, Fells Point & Canton is the future "Vamos United hon & didn't little Cal Ripken play soccer back in the day at Aberdeen High"!!!!! Pass the ol' Bay hon and I ain't talkin' Balmer Bays....

Posted by: Zipfutbol | July 26, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

is that the same ryan white Elton sang about? cool.

the RFK site is national park land and part of the National Mall complex. There is NO stadium in the plans for that area.

Danny boy Snyder is lobbying mightily to get Congress to override the plans and approve a stadium there. but that is in opposition to ALL the groups that have influence on the mall design. Pigs have a better chance of flying out of Goff's ass than getting a stadium approved there Almost all of the people involved are not sports fans and even less enamored of Snyder. Even less chance two stadia go there...

however humble it be, its still home....

Posted by: Section107 | July 26, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

SHOCKING!! Brandon Barklage to Season Ending Injury list &
Juan Manuel Pena still a week away... Two more briliant signings in a season filled w/FO mistake after mistake. #99 just doesn't deserve this Chaos. There just isn't any plan at all for personnel...frustrating. Question: Is Andy the only player we are building around?

Posted by: Zipfutbol | July 26, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

The entire Poplar Point project is pretty sad.

Goff can you do a follow up post on Marc Fisher (after you kick him in the nads again) and see how excited he is to see those new high-priced condos going up in Poplar Point...ohh wait its still a garbage heap?

What a waste. Poplar Point was the one thing Marion Barry was right about and probably because of his support Fenty made sure it would never happen. I'll make a bet right now that the site ends up as a parking lot for the Nats games after they raze RFK.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 26, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I've written it before: Baltimore is DC's best option right now. We all know it it is not KP's #1 choice, but he may have to come down a notch or two, until or unless DC or No. VA steps up. Baltimore's feasibility study will come out in favor of building an MLS-level stadium in the Westport section. The state of Maryland is behind the project and all that remains will be Will's sign off.

It'll be great there. Nice new stadium with no rats or falling debris; full vibrant house; Inner Harbor/Pickles/Sliders (serious pre-O's game babes) within walking distance; washing down the crab cakes with a Natty Bo.

Don't worry about Crystal Palace; they'll go away or continue to play at high schools or colleges.

Baltimore United - it's real. Unleash the Balmer.

Posted by: mightymax | July 26, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

This from CPB's website explains their take on the Balto stadium situation
http://www.palacebaltimore.com/facilities/future/index_E.html
Posted by: OWNTF

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hmm - so in Oct 2009 Chang purchased Blue Devil Ventures (Brian Davis and Christian Laettner) remaining shares in DCU AND they are quoted as having land available to sell to CPB for a stadium?

Posted by: emanon13 | July 26, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Given that our 12 points with 13 games remaining essentially eliminates us from the playoffs (cut off is usually 42-44 points) . . . which means we'd have to take 30 points from 13 games . . .

. . . perhaps a focus on the product might help garner more enthusiasm for a stadium . . . . .

Posted by: delantero | July 26, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

"16th DC United 3-11-3

As Portsmouth illustrated so well in its 4-0 friendly loss to United, there actually is a team worse off than the Black-and-Red."

Ouch!

Posted by: delantero | July 26, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

@fischy: So can I dare to dream about Ted Leonsis swooping in and blowing oh, heck, say, $70 mil towards a new stadium? :-)

Posted by: Juan-John1 | July 26, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore???
This is one season ticket holder that will cease to be if that happens.

Posted by: carnack | July 26, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

@fischy: So can I dare to dream about Ted Leonsis swooping in and blowing oh, heck, say, $70 mil towards a new stadium? :-)

Posted by: Juan-John1 | July 26, 2010 8:16 PM

Sure yiuxB! Just like I can dare to dream about

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 8:33 PM | Report abuse

iPhone! Argh

As I was trying to say, I can dare to dream about Candice Swanepoel but that ain't happening either. And we'd need about 500 million from Leonsis, not 70.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry about Crystal Palace; they'll go away or continue to play at high schools or colleges.

Posted by: mightymax | July 26, 2010 7:29

You are a lot closer to being right with that comment then you probably think. CPB is having some serious financial issues and it is very possible that they may not be around in a season or two anyway. They were playing there games at UMBC, but the ret of their home games are either at the soccerplex or at a high school stadium in Baltimore. I dont know the exact reason they moved the games but I would be willing to bet it is a money/lease issue.
I would have no problem if United moved to Balto, as long as the move comes with a brand new SSS with crab cakes from jerry d's, sausage and peppers from strapazzas, and ice cold Natty Boh on tap!

Posted by: jjfooty | July 26, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

You can get all the green on the planet from KP's buddy Ted, but it won't matter if no jurisdiction steps up and offers to be a partner in a stadium venture. Baltinore will do that; that's why it is the best option DCU has right now.

Posted by: mightymax | July 26, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

re: "It'll be great there. Nice new stadium with no rats or falling debris; full vibrant house; Inner Harbor/Pickles/Sliders (serious pre-O's game babes) within walking distance; washing down the crab cakes with a Natty Bo. "

Vibrant house full of WHAT? Maybe 3500 people and twice that many crickets. Sorry, I just don't see it. Baltimore is a crap soccer market.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 26, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I'm ok with Baltimore. Light rail and/or MARC work pretty well and the options for food and especially drink are great.

About a year ago, I was talking with Quaranta and he was quite enthusiastic about a stadium in Baltimore.

Posted by: ldmay | July 26, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

If it's Baltimore, I'll take what I can get. Drive up 95/295 from Nova and do what I've done for over a decade. This is one Nova season ticket holder who won't cancel. Whine if you will, but DC, Nova, MoCo and PG have become NIMBY nirvana.

Posted by: griffin1108 | July 26, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

With the Orioles playing so poorly. the Baltimore sports market is ripe for a fresh new diversion in the summer months. It is a diverse market with a strong summer tourist business. It has tremendous potential; it is a blue-collar working city that the price points at which MLS tickets are sold will meet head on.

Baltimore has great sports fans and we will immediately embrace a team that has relocated to our city (instead of the other way around), especially one from the snob center down the parkway.

It has a greater population than DC (637,418 to 599,657 - according to 7/1/09 estimate from the U. S. Census Bureau) and also exceeds the population of MLS markets in Seattle, Denver, Portland, Kansas City, and Salt Lake City.

Quaranta's family and friends alone guarantee a huge turn-out.

Baltimore United - Unleash the Balmer.

Posted by: mightymax | July 26, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore? What's the point of getting a new stadium if it's so far away half the fans (at least) won't be able/want to go? At least not as regularly... It would really be a shame.

Posted by: esmith22015 | July 26, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

I'm ok with Baltimore. Light rail and/or MARC work pretty well and the options for food and especially drink are great.

Posted by: ldmay | July 26, 2010 9:25 PM

But MARC does not run on weekends, right?

Posted by: Pedalada | July 26, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm ok with Baltimore. Light rail and/or MARC work pretty well and the options for food and especially drink are great.

Posted by: ldmay | July 26, 2010 9:25 PM

Have fun taking the MARC to matches when it doesn't run on nights or weekends!

I can't believe we're even having this conversation. Comparing DC Nd Baltimore as soccer markets? You're having an f-ing giraffe! Comparing CITY size and not REGION size?? DC is surrounded by satellite towns full of MLS marketers wet dreams. A cosmopolitan, highly educated, soccer friendly population with expedible income. I don't want to offend Baltimore, but the market is not even close to DC for anything - except a sport with tons of hype and 8 home games a year.

United moving to Baltimore would be out of extreme desperation - after a 15 year stadium search in a stronger market. I respect Baltimore as a city, but United moving there would present MLS with a seriously dark day. The league's small amount of street cred might fall through the cellar. Why do you think Payne is so blasé about the prospect? Taking DC United to Baltimore would be like turning your Michelin starred restaurant into a Denny's. Sure the Denny's might survive, but it ain't what it used to be.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 26, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Baltimore United: We Win, hon!

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | July 26, 2010 11:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how some of you have almost accepted the Baltimore idea, as if its a viable solution. If the team plays in Baltimore, it ceases to be a DC team. Its the same as moving to St Louis, or Atlanta, its just that you'll have slightly easier time going to see them, depending on the traffic. I would not expect the team to keep the name, logo, or history if this were to occur. Baltimore is the backup plan, and will be KP's last resort/ace in the hole/trump card. The problem is that as much as we all love DCU, this area could care less about professional soccer when it comes to investing in something like a stadium. Id expect a reaction similar to the one KP got from DC when they announced the now failed PG county deal - "The United are moving Maryland? Meh."

Posted by: VTUnited | July 26, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

If United moves to Baltimore then this is a season ticket holder that will renew. However, the Baltimore city line is only one mile further for me than the DC line is so it is no big deal for me personally. I am with a local soccer organization and I can assure you from personal experiience that DCU has been marketing heavily here (Anne Arundel County) the last couple of years. Lastly, I understand the frustration some of you feel but it really p!sses me off when I read negative comments about their possible local relocations that may not be convenient for everyone. This team has been trying desperately to get a SSS for years while losing money hand over fist in the meantime. What exactly do you expect them to do if DC, NOVA, MoCo, and PG continue to spit in their faces. Something's gotta give people.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 26, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

VTUnited,

If United moves to Balmer then I would expect the name and history to go with it. I seriously doubt MLS would expand in DC with a team in Balmer just like I don't think they would expand in Balmer with a team in DC. The only possible expansion I could see in such a scenario would be a NOVA Loudoun County team.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 26, 2010 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand how some of you have almost accepted the Baltimore idea...

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Accepted? Hardly. I hate the idea.

While I don't want to be negative I am also realistic. The status quo sucks and it's not sustainable. Something is going to change. DC United is getting left behind in every way in MLS. My gut tells me we'll have the club for another season or two at most if something dramatic doesn't happen first (such as a local stadium deal or Will selling the club).

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | July 27, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

Does this mean that my taxes are going toward a stadium?

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 27, 2010 12:03 AM | Report abuse

If United moves to Balmer then I would expect the name and history to go with it.
Posted by: croftonpost | July 26, 2010 11:51 PM

You think a team playing in Baltimore would go by "DC United"? If the O's moved, and played in DC, would you still expect them to be called the "Baltimore Orioles"? The Baltimore Bullets moved to Landover and became the Washington Bullets. My point was that it seems like a lot of you are treating the Baltimore idea as a stadium plan, and not what it is - a relocation plan.

Posted by: VTUnited | July 27, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Baltimore is too far away. It would probably take me 75 minutes to get there. That's 2.5 hours round trip for a 90 minute match. No thanks. If they DCU do that, then they might as well move to the midwest. Out of sight: out of mind

Posted by: mason08 | July 27, 2010 12:36 AM | Report abuse

f United moves to Baltimore then this is a season ticket holder that will renew.
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Of course you would. You live in AA county, no? It makes no difference to you.

Posted by: mason08 | July 27, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

I predict 10 more years at RFK, maybe more. And I'm happy with that.

Posted by: weetabixjihad | July 27, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

VTUnited,

I would expect them to be called United not DC United.

I've been resisting this but where is the anger towards those jurisdictions that will not help DCU with it's SSS plight. I'm not necessarily talking public investment but at least a location than can be worked with. I see nothing but post after post that criticizes United for daring to do something about Moneypit Memorial Stadium. They are indirectly being forced out by their local jurisdictions as no after no keeps the clock ticking and time is the enemy here. Let's send a little anger their way and it can begin with Fenty who completely deserves it anyway.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 27, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

I predict 10 more years at RFK, maybe more. And I'm happy with that.

Posted by: weetabixjihad | July 27, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

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On a personal level I would be happy with that too. However, your prediction doesn't have a prayer in he!! of coming true.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 27, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Just "United"? Like the airline that lost Pomey's bags?

Posted by: mason08 | July 27, 2010 1:19 AM | Report abuse

mason,

You got me. I don't know what they would choose but, IMO, MD United would make the most sense.

Posted by: croftonpost | July 27, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

The Baltimore Battery would be my suggestion.

and the uniforms could somehow incorporate purple camo, I'm sure.

Posted by: VTUnited | July 27, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: robertjo27 | July 27, 2010 5:30 AM | Report abuse

Don't confuse my argument that D. C. United would do well in Baltimore for a position that remaining in DC is not the best outcome. What I have been saying is that DCU's best option RIGHT NOW is Baltimore gievn the total lack of anything viable in the DC area.

Remaining at RFK, as Steve indicates, for the forseeable future is a terrible scenario for this organization on many levels. Yes, it can continue to operate, but it will not be as successfull on many levels as it would be in its own stadium. Since the only real option for a new stadium exists outside the DC market, that makes it DCU's best option, until a better one, hopefully in the DC area, come along.

This situaion is not a whole lot different from the one faced by the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1957. O'Malley would have preferred to stay in Brooklyn, but NYC's master builder, Robert Moses, would not support a new stadium in Brooklyn and the team's present ballpark situation had become untenable for reasons that strongly resemble why RFK has become untenable. The biggest difference in the two cases
is that DCU's fans can, with some extra time and effort, still see their team in person in a location only 35 miles from where they presently do.

Posted by: mightymax | July 27, 2010 6:47 AM | Report abuse

On Junior:
"In the last two months, coaches have spent a lot of time with him becoming more of a two-way player,"

How did big brother Fred take to being a two-way player? Good luck with that project.

Posted by: rcdwriting | July 27, 2010 7:48 AM | Report abuse

As another season ticket holder weighing in, I think my intial reaction continues to be along the lines of "if DCU moves out of the DC metropolitan area, I'm cancelling!" At least that's what I say today, but really if it happened I think I would likely get over the shock and still make an effort to attend some games if not invest in some sort of package. Full season? Not 100% sure on that. I think the team would need to revamp the half season and flex packages to make them truly adaptable to those coming from DC and points south. Weeknight games would just be tough but I have made it out to the Plex a few times and it was not the end of the world.

In the meantime I'm going to be a selfish Hill dweller and enjoy the RFK experience as long as I can.

Posted by: DCB23 | July 27, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

"Payne.....adding that Poplar Point, the club's first choice for a new facility to replace RFK Stadium, 'is a fairly confused situation right now' because of issues with the transfer of land from federal to city hands."

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This I don't get. I thought the land transfer went through years ago when the US received some parcels of DC land in SW on which to build some federal office buildings.

At best this remark is disengenuous, if not an outright lie. The issue is DC is financial: what is the best plan for the city to maximize tax revenue from the development of the Poplar Point land. That's why Fenty is not a huge supporter of what DCU proposes as Tony Willimas was, especially folowing the massive stadium give-away that the Nats got from the city.

KP is making it sound as if the only hold-up is a bureaucratic snag.

Posted by: lgm6986 | July 27, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

just let me know when they start moving dirt. otherwise, see you at RFK.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Posted by: nairbsod | July 27, 2010 8:14 AM | Report abuse

The day they move to Baltimore is the last day I am a fan

Posted by: Witter | July 27, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

In the meantime I'm going to be a selfish Hill dweller and enjoy the RFK experience as long as I can.

Posted by: DCB23 | July 27, 2010 8:06 AM
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"Selfish Hill dweller:" Isn't that redundant?

Posted by: lgm6986 | July 27, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Tear down the waste that is Springfield mall, especially now that Vornado defaulted on it's loan payments and renovation plan is dead. Build a stadium and new retail shops on the land. Location is right next to a metro stop and and major highways. Just get it done! I can dream can't I?

Posted by: DCU_VW | July 27, 2010 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Had not heard that about Vornado. If that renovation plan is indeed dead, then you are absolutely right that DCU should be looking at the Springfield Mall site. Metrorail + Beltway + I-95!

Posted by: Pedalada | July 27, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Only problem with the Springfield mall idea is that Fairfax County has no desire to subsidize the develpoment of a retail-zoned tract that is not going to generate massive, year-long revenue ( sales and property taxes) not just 60 or event taxes. To subsidize an event facility on that land is pure foolishness.

Now if Will wants to buy the land from the county (assuming it would sell) and build on it what he pleases, then Fairfax County is probably going to listen. But that's not the kind of deal he and KP are looking for.

Posted by: lgm6986 | July 27, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

The day they move to Baltimore is the last day I am a fan

Posted by: Witter | July 27, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

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That's right blame the team. Why don't they just play at RFK, lose millions, and be happy about being a subpar organization as long as it is in DC. The other poster was right, it is time to start laying some blame on the localities around DC. If you're so upset about it why don't you lobby your local government to work with United to get something done.

Posted by: blackandred777 | July 27, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Another season ticket holder perspective: I don't want DCU to move, but I will take Baltimore over St. Louis or Miami. I want to be able to see MLS soccer in person, and Baltimore is closer than PPL.

I would likely downgrade from my season tickets to a flex package. Weekday games would more or less be out.

P.S. Don't think the league won't be entranced by the prospect of Philly-Baltimore derbies ....

Posted by: jofij | July 27, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I'd support United as the Baltimore Bays, just not for weekday games. I'm not happy about the relocation but if the only other option is to contract the team, I'd rather have a midatlantic team than none at all. It won't be the same. I won't pretend it's truly my team any more. I live in Silver Spring. I'm a Washingtonian. But it'll still be a lot of fun. It'll just take a 45 minute drive rather than a 45 minute Metro ride.

I'll wear my DC United jersey with a new Baltimore Bays scarf. I hope that United's records stay in DC like the Earthquakes did. It won't be the same as taking the Metro to a game but Baltimore is a heck of a lot closer than Philadelphia.

As for the Virginia fans, can the Maryland hate. Many of you would go to games in Virginia Beach even though it's 4 hours away because it's in Virginia. Too many of you spew rhetoric that likens going to Maryland as something unholy. If you live in Alexandria, Baltimore is an hour away on a weekend. As I said above, Baltimore is a heck of a lot closer than Philadelphia or New York or Columbus. If your jurisdiction won't do anything to prevent this move, then can the vitriol for the jurisdiction that is stepping up to the plate.

Posted by: Cavan9 | July 27, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Also, to all you Virginians who claim that Baltimore won't be able to support an MLS team, you're wrong. Baltimore is just as much of a soccer hotbed as Washington. If you look at youth soccer, participation rates are comparable and state champions are roughly divided between Baltimore and Washington teams.

I assert that Baltimoreans are better sports fans on average than Washingtonians. Very passionate. It took over 20 years of futility and hopelessness for the Orioles to get where they are. Baltimore fans are more like Philadelphia fans than Washington fans, just without all the negative stereotypes. They show up for their teams. I'm sure that ticket prices will accomodate the blue collar demographics of the city. A relocated United would gain just as many fans if not more than the fans from exurban northern Virginia that they lose.

I'm not in favor of this move but I'm just trying to put out some facts. In my perfect world, United would have a new stadium in the Washington region, somewhere east of Dulles Airport. (Loudoun is really, really far for anyone who's not in western Fairfax of Loudoun). It's just that a move to Baltimore would not be the end of the world. Not perfect, but at least with a new SSS.

Posted by: Cavan9 | July 27, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

cavan9,

Well said. Couldn't agree more.

Posted by: blackandred777 | July 27, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I am really disappointed in Payne and Co. They have done a piss poor job of trying to find a stadium in the DC area and they are looking for some local government to help them out. It is sad because DC deserves better. I am shocked to see this once proud franchise talking about moving to Baltimore of all places. I must say that MacFarlane and Payne need to burn in hell for holding DCU fans hostage. I hate both of them. MacFarlane started this crap. He was using the team as a way to build more real estate projects in the area. Payne has done nothing over the last four of five years to make this team better and more marketable. Basically they are looking for a government bailout on their investment. If Chang or Payne read this, SCREW BOTH OF YOU! Have fun in Baltimore. At least Tino will be closer to home. There is no doubt in my mind that I will never support this team if they move to Baltimore.

Posted by: no_recess | July 27, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

i'm not all that up on the stadium issue, but does anyone know if it is possible to build a stadium in the big lot next to the new rockville town center? it's metro accessible and the (new) local businesses would be elated, i would think. thanks.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 27, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

That's right blame the team. Why don't they just play at RFK, lose millions, and be happy about being a subpar organization as long as it is in DC. The other poster was right, it is time to start laying some blame on the localities around DC. If you're so upset about it why don't you lobby your local government to work with United to get something done.

Posted by: blackandred777 | July 27, 2010 10:36 AM

This is classic American franchise consumerfan garbage. Don't blame the billionaires who run the franchise when a municipality won't come to their aid - then don't blame them for leaving for a city that will bail them out. If you buy a team, you should be responsible for housing them. If you move, you lose. Problem is, American consumerfan gives billionaire owner the ability to leave - they'll just mindlessly support the "franchise" anyway.

DC is not Baltimore. DC United ceases to exist in Baltimore.

P.S. - I'm also from the Maryland side of Metropolitan Washington.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 27, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

If you are reading this Payne I have added a link for you and DCU where municipalities are giving away land since you are averse to using your own money.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/SmartSpending/blog/page.aspx?post=1786224&_blg=1,1786224

Posted by: no_recess | July 27, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Management (Chang) needs to spend some money to acquire players. You spend money to make money. The fan base is here, compared to other cities now in MLS. But Baltimore would be OK too, if the FO would
PUT UP DOUGH for players; a top center mid and a striker. Will they??

Posted by: lemovs1 | July 27, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'm another United season ticket holder who will cancel if the team moves to Baltimore - it'd be the same thing as relocating to St Louis, Minneapolis or wherever - they'd be blowing town (at the very least they'd lose over 80% of their Virginia fandom - United's location right now is too central, and its supporter base too evenly dispersed round the area, to risk moving too far out in any direction beyond DC - and Washington and Baltimore are far less interdependent than some business types would have one believe.)

Baltimore is 40mi from my residence, I don't drive, and whatever matchnight logistics could be sorted out from Amtrak et al would be pricey, time-consuming and basically untenable. It'd be sad, but a move of that kind and it'd be all up with United and me.

Posted by: Lukashenko | July 28, 2010 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Maybe things will open up if Gray defeats Fenty in the upcoming D.C. Dem primary. If Fenty is re-elected, I'm afraid that's the end of whatever slim stadium hopes we have left.

Posted by: Stevenho | July 28, 2010 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I've always wondered if Goff has ever showed meaningful comments we post to Chang and Payne. That would maybe give them an idea of what to do..

Posted by: KHSpartan | July 28, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

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