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Matchnight: D.C. United-Real Salt Lake

D.C. United's desperate push to revive playoff hopes begins tonight at Rio Tinto Stadium against Real Salt Lake, which is 6-0-3 at home with 21 goals scored and just six against. United is 1-5-2 on the road, with three of its six away goals scored in the only victory (at Seattle). The clubs played to a 0-0 draw at RFK Stadium on June 5, but three days earlier, United defeated RSL in a U.S. Open Cup qualifier, 2-1. Since winning at RSL in 2005, United has lost four straight there by a combined 10-3.

Kickoff: 9 p.m. ET.
TV: Comcast SportsNet/DC, Direct Kick.

DCU LINEUP: Perkins; McTavish, James, Talley, Burch; Najar, Simms, Boskovic, Quaranta; Hernandez, Allsopp. Subs: Hamid, Rice, Morsink, King, Pontius, Moreno, Cristman. (Jakovic traveled with the team but was a late scratch after aggravating a hamstring injury.)

Your pregame, in-game and postgame observations are encouraged. Enjoy!

By Steve Goff  |  July 31, 2010; 8:02 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , MLS  | Tags: D.C. United, MLS  
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Comments

wow. Jordan Graye not in the 18 as it were. I think he must have more minutes than anyone on the team this season in all competitions. He definitely needs a rest, but I am not sure a Marc Burch was hasn't played hardly at all in many, many months will be much of an improvement.

Posted by: fedssocr | July 31, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Tonight is gonna hurt...

Posted by: alan19 | July 31, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

I was all glass-is-half-full about tonight until I read those first two sentences above. This will be a very hard fought win if it happens.

Posted by: DCB23 | July 31, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

VAMOS UNITED!!!!

United 2 Fake Salt Lake 1

Posted by: 9Nine9 | July 31, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

OH NO. We have to deal with Brian Dunseth tonight?? UGH.

I mean, I suppose he's marginally better than Harkes and Christopher Sullivan, but just marginally.

Posted by: kdiff813 | July 31, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

OH NO. We have to deal with Brian Dunseth tonight?? UGH.

I mean, I suppose he's marginally better than Harkes and Christopher Sullivan, but just marginally.

Posted by: kdiff813 | July 31, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

Looks like I'll be eating some attendance crow tonight.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Rio Tinto is PACKED. Every seat. Their crowd is so sophisticated, they even have people with white T-shirts in exactly the right seats so it spells out

REAL SALT LAKE.

Impressive.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Wait..how exactly is Jamison Olave the fastest guy in MLS? He's not even the fastest guy on his own team, not by a longshot.

Posted by: kdiff813 | July 31, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

How does Beckerman get away with that?

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Beckerman is an overrated hack.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Henry has blown two sure goals tonight

Posted by: DCB23 | July 31, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

how did that go in?

Posted by: fedssocr | July 31, 2010 9:21 PM | Report abuse

Perkins megged. Terrible. Cut him. Now.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I was going to say something snarky about Beckerman, but Simms' lack of marking has killed my joy.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | July 31, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Well, this one's in the books. See you all next year.

Posted by: kdiff813 | July 31, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

the difference between a "normal" to "good" MLS team and this crap DC team is simply amazing to me.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

What TERRIBLE goalkeeping

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Perkins just doesn't have it. This hasn't worked, he needs to go.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

And Talley's tackle wasn't even comparable to the ax that was Beckerman just now.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | July 31, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

RSL player was offside - shouldn't have been a goal

Posted by: djohnson | July 31, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Players to cut following to conclusion of this season (alphabetized for your convenience):

Allsopp, Burch, James, King, McTavish, Morsink, Pena, Perkins, Quinn, Rice, Talley.

To keep (mostly as backups for our new incoming fantasy starters):

Barklage, Boskovic, Cristman, Graye, Hamid, Hernandez, Jakovic, Najar, Quaranta, Pontius, Simms, Wallace.


We can build a new team around these guys. We also need a new coach, because Onalfo would be a fine manager of a mid-upper level team, but he has no idea how to fix this. We need to somehow lure Bob Bradley away from the Nats (well, YOU give me a better option, one with proven MLS success and pedigree), and just rebuild. And this is all contingent upon getting a stadium deal, because if we don't, we'll be shipped elsewhere and I will stop caring about the team.

So yeah, basically we need to do what the Red Bull New York Metro Star Red Bulls of Harrison, New Jersey have done this season.

Posted by: kdiff813 | July 31, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

In fairness, stadium has filled in a bit.

Still a LOT of empty seats. A Lot.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Why can't we have a team that plays the ball forward, understands defensive organization and is at least competent at every position? Really, is that so much to ask for?

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

the difference in speed between these two teams in striking.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

you're gonna cut Quinn? The poor kid has been out all season with a knee injury. How about we let him rehab from that and see what he can do?

Posted by: fedssocr | July 31, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

...oh, and perkins looks LOST on every play....lame.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Definitely a smaller crowd for them. Sorry, Ron.


I hope so much Najar chooses the Stars and Stripes. I need to give him the same advice in Charleston next year I gave Gringo Torres a couple summers ago...

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Will "Dan Snyder" Chang needs to go. He has ruined this soccer team.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

maybe DCU should try the World Cup favorite formation: 4-3-2-1?

Since we don't really have many (any?) good forwards, why play with two?

Posted by: rightback | July 31, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

there goes clyde...

Posted by: DCB23 | July 31, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey look! An injury!

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

@ kdiff813

You think King and James are the problem? Have to disagree. Right now, I might just cut Quaranta before I'd cut either of them, if only for the cap space. Right now, he's not showing much more than good balance.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | July 31, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree about James, King and Quaranta.

Do you all think we SI loyalists could do a psychological evaluation of Tino's disinclination to move into space after passing?

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Boskovic and Hernandez have looked pretty good.


Not as good as Henry and Angel. They've combined for two already tonight.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I completely agree about James, King and Quaranta.

Do you all think we SI loyalists could do a psychological evaluation of Tino's disinclination to move into space after passing?

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

I think Perkins should follow Onyewu's example and offer to extend his contract with a salary-free year...to make up for mailing it in this year.

Posted by: fischy | July 31, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Beckerman is an oferrated fouling hack who should never be called up the the USMNT again.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

fischy, the problem is Onyewu can still play. perkins can't. If he lets in soft goals for free, what good does that do us?

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

I've had enough. DC United deserves a better coach. If NYRB can fire Arena after a few weeks, we've given Onalfo more than enough time to turn this ship around.

Posted by: bspence11 | July 31, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

what stipulates using the silver Jabulani instead of the white one?
MLS cup Champs? Or something else?

Posted by: DadRyan | July 31, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

the words "dynamic" and "dc" were uttered in the same sentence.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

MLS Cup winners. Been doing that for a while now.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the goal was on sides. I did a freeze frame and advanced it slowly. He was about 4 feet on side and there were actually 3 United defenders behind him. I thought it was offsides in real time.

How fast is Real! That is just perfectly time speed. Najar is the only one who can hang speed wise.

Posted by: united100 | July 31, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but the goal was on sides. I did a freeze frame and advanced it slowly. He was about 4 feet on side and there were actually 3 United defenders behind him. I thought it was offsides in real time.

How fast is Real! That is just perfectly time speed. Najar is the only one who can hang speed wise.

Posted by: united100 | July 31, 2010 10:31 PM | Report abuse

oh, why couldn't that have been six inches farther forward?

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Harkes might not be the perfect soccer analyst but Dunseth talks 10000 times as much and says NOTHING. Despite his verbal gaffes, at least Harkes has an insight once in a while. Dunseth just moves his mouth ad nauseam. Awful.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Jacob is an addict for sneakers
20's of buddha and b!tches with beepers
in the streets he'll greet ya
about silver Jabulani balls he'll teach ya!

Posted by: DadRyan | July 31, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

Salk Lake's wall on that deep DC free DK was about 7 yards from ball.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

not trying to be a smart ass, but when was the last time this team scored an actual goal in an actual MLS game?

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 10:36 PM | Report abuse

I'd agree with ya for once Ron, am I just not paying attention or is this ref trying to earn himself an extra wife or two for the evening?

Posted by: DadRyan | July 31, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Who needs waterboarding when you can use Dunseth?

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Troy is so bad

Posted by: sec133row5 | July 31, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

second off-sides of the night. doesn't matter. this team can go another 10 years and won't score. bad and boring. what a great combination.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

At first I thought "could have been saved" instead of "should have been saved".


Upon review: "THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED"

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

why would you take out McTavish instead of Burch?

Posted by: fedssocr | July 31, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow's Futbol Headlines - Perkins signs for Arsenal FC.

Posted by: TinyJordan | July 31, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Findley onsides. Even with defender.

Posted by: united100 | July 31, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry Troy - I'm a huge fan of yours - but Hamid needs to start the next couple of games...

Posted by: rightback | July 31, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

This club is poison.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | July 31, 2010 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Both goals were ONSIDE, as much as I'd like to believe otherwise.

Perkins should have cut down the angle, but did the deer in the headlights routine.

I say start Hamid the rest of the way. At least he'll learn from his mistakes.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I agree with that. Put the players out there we need to get experience for the future. Dump Quaranta. As much as I love Jamie, he is not the future. Old man Talley has tried hard, but he is not the future either. This season has been over for months already.

Posted by: fedssocr | July 31, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Andy Najar is a bright spot for this team.

Boscovic is a dud. I'd cut him before I'd cut Quaranta.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Hamid needs to play every minute the rest of the year.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | July 31, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

repeat after me: speed kills. what a boring, boring, slow, lame, old team. boskovic stinks. perkins stinks.

Posted by: birdynumnum | July 31, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Holy **** -- World class goal.

Posted by: united100 | July 31, 2010 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I blame the stupid silver ball.

Posted by: DadRyan | July 31, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

"Bosko stinks." really? Maybe I'm confused because he's our best player after Najar and Hernandez.

Posted by: united100 | July 31, 2010 11:03 PM | Report abuse

The speed and/or skill to handle a heavy pass in the run of play would be nice. From anyone. Not once did DC put RSL on its heels. When you lack that, from top to bottom, all these other points are moot.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | July 31, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Apparently most of the Salt Lake fans only show up for the second half of soccer games.

3rd goal was Talley's fault.

And it seemed like our play fell off a cliff the minute Jaime came on.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Tells you something about the DCU Scouting Dept that they thought Perkins was the answer in the first place. Let Hamid play. He can't be any worse than Perkins. A blind man can see it. But apparently Onalfo and the front office can't.

The entire defense is horrendous. Najar is their only offensive threat. This franchise is only a shadow of what it used to be.

Posted by: LeeM9308 | July 31, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Please Chang, sell the team.

Chivas scores against the yellow soccer team. All 500 fans in attendace delirious.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

"Your pregame, in-game and postgame observations are encouraged. Enjoy!"

Enjoy? You're mocking us now, sir.

Posted by: HWLongfellow | July 31, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Though Chivas attendance better than Colorado's, whose is absolutely abysmal. Colorado's attendance is an utter embarassment to the league. Fold that failure.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Perkins should be taken out back like Old Yeller...I have been saying this for years, and many on this board bashed me for saying it, but Perkins sucks raw eggs, and he has sucked for quite some time. He has not been good enough for the MLS for almost 3 years...Of all the DC United players that have come and gone by the wayside, Perkins to me demonstrates how bad our front office is at evaluating proper talent. Perkins skills are worse than Wicks and Wells. And all the while, Hamid has been the answer from game 1. Its time for Perkins to retire. He is straight trash!

Posted by: alan19 | July 31, 2010 11:24 PM | Report abuse

Well, it seems like Perkins has done a Tom Presthus. Skills vanished rather suddenly, and no amount of coaching is bringing them back.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Not many empty seats in San Jose tonite. Crowd vocal, good atmosphere. Props to them.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

I hope folks quit complaining that we didn't score. We now have 12 goals in 18 games. Do you know how much harder it would be to mentally compute our scoring average if we had 13 goals in 18 games?

Onalfo's decision to sub Moreno on for McTavish blew up in Curt's face almost instantly. Funny thing is that a minute or two after Findley's goal Jaime was actually back on defense filling that right fullback role.

DC had a chance to get something out of this game well into the 2nd half.

The ref pardoned Wingert twice (around 68') on the same play by not carding him when he intentionally pushed Hernandez in the back (would have been his 2nd yellow) and by deciding that that push occurred outside the area. (Refs are encouraged to award a PK if the foul continues into the area). Bosko had a fairly dangerous far post freekick that just missed the upper 90 on the ensuing restart but a penalty kick would have been much more promising.

We're not going to the postseason so it's good to look for small positive signs. Najar looked pretty promising in attack again and Pablo Hernandez showed great control on that dribble around about 58' where he was being repetitively mugged by Wingert and still kept control for about 40 yards then maintained possession against Beckerman and another guy.

Think positive.

12 goals in 18 games is relatively easy math.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | July 31, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

"Bosko stinks." really? Maybe I'm confused because he's our best player after Najar and Hernandez.


Posted by: united100
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

For a DP, he STINKS. He was a marginal presence AT BEST tonite.

Najar, an excellent though young player, is 17 YEARS OLD. Boscovic doesn't have anywhere NEAR the impact of a 17 YEAR OLD rookie player.

Hernandez was average. So by your own reckoning Bosco was below average. Not a very good DP investment, I'd say.

Alsopp is also a waste of roster space.

Posted by: Ron16 | July 31, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

San Jose is pretty much always like that. Just sayin'.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 1, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

...this owner and front office are inadequate. it's like, not enough to buy the house in the neighborhood, but you need to be able to afford the whole lifestyle...

Posted by: wordup1 | August 1, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Since I live about 40 minutes from Gillette Stadium, perhaps I'll start rooting for the Revs.

Oh wait, they're almost as bad as us. Well, no, not really- no one is almost as bad as us. No one comes within 2,000 feet of us in terms of suckitude; we're just the absolute worst team in history.

Or so it seems. I haven't heard much about any record-breaking badness, but the FO could just be trying to hush it up. Anyone know if we're on pace for the lowest point total ever? Hey, that's an achievement- this team would be infamous forever!

If we somehow win the USOC, I say we pawn the trophy for allocation money and sign some real damn football players.

Posted by: kdiff813 | August 1, 2010 12:45 AM | Report abuse

What are you folks thinking, calling for accountability from this organization? Didn't you guys read Kevin Payne's recent comments? The problem right now is that we fans just don't understand.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 12:47 AM | Report abuse

amazingly poor. Perkins, wow you are struggling. The backline is shocking. There are some good pieces here, but it has not been put together well. Front office has done well in draft, but shockingly poor in identifying current pros that can help.Way to many bad signings for Kasper to keep his job. Too many hirings from within for Payne to keep his job. Onalfo you must know u need better, grow some and get what you need. You got 14 days.

Posted by: m20001 | August 1, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

Was is my cable service or was the audio terrible tonight on CSN? The crowd noise made Dunny and DJ inaudible.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse

Glad I decided to not watch the game tonight and spend my time in a better way.

DCU has become the Orioles of MLS.

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | August 1, 2010 1:31 AM | Report abuse

I remember when I became a United fan for real in 2005, at the age of 10. I remember the play-off game that year, at RFK vs. the Fire. I remember how they lost, and Christian Gomez was sent off for spitting at some player. I really shed tears back then. Certainly, this is much more disappointing, but alas, no tears. It's certainly frustrating for me, as a young fan.

Posted by: KHSpartan | August 1, 2010 1:36 AM | Report abuse

this team is god awful.

i dont know what to say anymore.

except,


ugggggggghhhhhhh.

Posted by: castroviejo | August 1, 2010 2:06 AM | Report abuse

secret DCU ploy? Alienate all of the fans - that way when the team is moved to Baltimore the backlash will be minimal?

What KHSpartan said above almost made me cry...

I still can't figure out why it is all so bad for DC United, but I'm coming to the conclusion that maybe the rest of the league is moving forward (with stadiums, scouting, etc...) and we're trying to hold on to the past.

Posted by: diego_r | August 1, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

Edson Buddle has scored the same number of goals this year as DC United.

And he has done so in five fewer games.

Curious - can we get a countdown to something?

Posted by: diego_r | August 1, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

To avoid winning the title of "Worst MLS Team Ever," we need to get 6 points out of the remaining 12 matches. So far we've won 12 points out of 18 matches; so in principle we should get there. Who's confident of it, though?

To avoid winning the title of "Worst DC United Team Ever," we need 17 points out of the remaining 12 matches. That seems pretty doubtful. So, odds are, we're looking at the worst DCU team ever.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 2:52 AM | Report abuse

Why is every team in MLS except DC United making major moves in the positive direction. The only hope for our future right not is Najar. This season sucks.

Posted by: wrightcor | August 1, 2010 4:43 AM | Report abuse

Since I'm only finding an AP story about the match in the on-line Post edition, could it be that TWP has also written off the team?

Posted by: seahawkdad | August 1, 2010 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Steve and Liz blew the soccer department's travel budget in South Africa. Or maybe Steve was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 1, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

What are you folks thinking, calling for accountability from this organization? Didn't you guys read Kevin Payne's recent comments? The problem right now is that we fans just don't understand.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 12:47 AM |

OK, Christopher. So if you would enlighten us... What don't we understand?

Posted by: pittmancb | August 1, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

To put all of this on Perkins is silly. DCU NEVER scores a goal so the best any match can end in is a draw...that's 30 points and misses the playoffs too. When people keep praising a 17 year old who has 3 goals in 17 matches shows just how far mighty DCU has fallen.
When does Payne and the GM get called out for 4-5 years of awful football?

Posted by: euroman | August 1, 2010 8:54 AM | Report abuse

P.S. I'm assuming there was tongue in cheek there, but after last night I guess I can't handle it.

Posted by: pittmancb | August 1, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Ugh.

Given this latest performance, no different than the rest of the season, I'd only play the young talen we intend to keep from now on.

Perkins stinks, play Hamid.

McTavish and Burch do not have good enough skills and lack imagination on the pass.

Quarata has energy but does not take people on and his crossing is horrendous. What he brings is energy, same as Boyzz did.

Simms, a rock, but thinks only of safety and passing backwards. At least King tries to be positive.

Juries out on Allsopp as he has not had good service consistently.

Refs have got to stop the raping of Hernandez, it is unjust what he is being subjected to as no-talent MLS hacks try to equalize their lack of talent by fouling.

I'd bench the following immediately and inform them that they should begin looking elsewhere:

Barklage, Burch, Cristman, McTavish, Morsink, Pena, Perkins, Quaranta, Simms, Talley.

I'd start the following immediately so they gain valuable experience in the school of hard knocks:

Boskovic, Graye, Hamid, Hernandez, Jakovic, James, Najar, Pontius, Rice, Wallace.

Moreno is still outstanding on the ball and should become a talent scout or something. like Echeverry he is part of the fabric of the team. You don't cast him off.

Posted by: RRP1 | August 1, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse


Was is my cable service or was the audio terrible tonight on CSN? The crowd noise made Dunny and DJ inaudible.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 1:15 AM | Report abuse
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The CSN production guys must have messed up the audio mix. I had the same problem. Given that every other channel I have and the halftime commercials on CSN were mixed correctly, it must have been the feed from the stadium.

Posted by: tcbannon | August 1, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Oklahoma-born Jon-Paul Pittman subs in and notches a 4-minute hatrick against Chelsea, as the Premier League champs fall 5-1 to fourth tier Wycombe.

Posted by: bartapest1 | August 1, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

Video of Wycombe's crushing of Chelsea: http://chelsea.theoffside.com/chelsea/video-wycombe-chelsea-reserves.html. American Pittman scores the last 3 goals...

Posted by: bartapest1 | August 1, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

It must be all this fixture congestion that is tiring us out. You can see from playing so many games how the players are getting injured and are not well rested.

I mean, just look at how many players we sent to the All Star game on top of all the Champions League and Super Liga mid week games.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: SoccerVA | August 1, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Kasper and Payne have managed to do something that even under the best of circumstances is very difficult to do: they made Soehn look smart.

We can't rule out that Soehn saw this disaster coming and, short of a major committment by upper management, which they were not prepared to do because they wanted the Akron coach, he wasn't going to stick around.

Now, this doesn't account for his role in creating this mess, which really has its roots in 2006 with some shaky personnel moves. His massive ego would never allow him to accept responsibiilty for any negative results, but he may have had a spasm of lucidity and realized that this ship is going down.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

That was a Chelsea youth team. Not even full time pros.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 1, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

If any one of or RSL goals had NOT been scored, it would have represented a huge gaffe on their part. That's what you're supposed to do on wide open 1-on-1s, as all three goals were.

Instead of blaming the few talented players on the team, or worshiping a promising teen who, lets face it, has some major holes in his game (SOUND FAMILIAR?), look at the difference in how successful teams (like RSL) play.

They trust each other and their coaches. They hustle. They RUN by default. They make aggressive, well-timed runs behind the defense. They possess the ball, treating it as a friend and not a piece of toxic waste. They get on the end of heavy passes, smoothly enough to pick their heads up quickly and pick out other aggressive runs (an issue of basic, fundamental skill as well as foot speed). If you back off of them, they will pick you apart.

Oh, and their owners and FO's give a sh*t about something besides keeping their jobs another year.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | August 1, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Folks, we ain't hit rock bottom yet...it is going to be a long, slow fall for this team. I'd being firing the front office now rather than waiting for the end of the season--all the better to start the talent evaluation from scratch.

Posted by: jnel | August 1, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

pittmancb: I don't know what we don't understand. But Kevin Payne says we don't get it, so we must not get it. We're "internet nuts." You see, he's the head of the team, and that means he knows more than everyone else.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I just watched the United match:

Fake Salt Lake 3 all assisted by United: 1st goal Perkins, 2nd by Talley waiving at the lineman instead of playing the wistle, 3rd Talley burned and a great finish.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 1, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I am not sure United could beat Edison HS, Najar's and my former HS.('Onward Eagles')

A United friendly vs Edison HS? It better be on a Wednesday...annnd if Najar plays the 1st half for Edison they might just beat us.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 1, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I've still wonder if Goff has ever showed our meaningful comments or ideas we've posted to Chang or Payne. That would maybe give them a boost of some sort. But, then again, we're talking about DCU's front office.

Posted by: KHSpartan | August 1, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

glass half full:

1. Portsmouth beat Fulham, and DCU crushed Portsmouth. So it's just a matter of time before they turn it around, because DCU are better than Fulham.

2. The Washington baseball team played an exciting game last night, and Zimmerman is a stud.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 1, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Beckerman > Ricardo Clark

Posted by: OWNTF | August 1, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

The home parlor game that I’m playing while watching DC United drill themselves further into the ground is Footy Compare and Contrast. Watch what the other team does that is good and compare it to United’s play which is, for the most part, not good. Here goes:

THE GOOD: RSL continuously ran at our backline and beat our offsides trap (at least according to the guys with the flags) plus their forwards were able to get into 1v1 situations, beat the defender and finish their chances.

THE BAD: United gains possession and slowly brings the ball up the field and is met by the RSL midfield (sometimes violently) so the ball goes out to the wings while RSL’s backline gets organized and marks the guys in the black. Then either Najar beats his guy down the wing but has no one to cross it to or the offense turns around and takes a minute and a half to switch the ball via a backpass to Perkins. A this point, all we’ve accomplished is allowing RSL to catch their breath for the next counter attack.

The only somewhat decent thing we did last night was some ok balls via set pieces. Hopefully Boskovic will connect on one of them some day.

Posted by: tcbannon | August 1, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

999, lets not get carried away. DCU is a poor pro team and has its problems, but it would beat ANY high school team 149-0 with DCU running at half speed. You could get the best 11 high schoolers in the country and DCU would win 137-0.

And everyone, repeat after me. Its not Payne and Kasper, its CHANG, Payne, and Kasper, With CHANG making all the final decisions.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I would see if we can get something by trading away: PERKINS, Moreno, Quaranta, Simms, and everybody on the backline before the regular season is over. Basically flush the roster minus the few standouts like Pontius, Wallace, Najar, and Hamid. Now that the season is pretty much over, it is time to start getting the young guys more playing time and building the nucleus of the next generation team. In the off-season, use a D.P. slot on a real center back like Demerit (somebody who can captain the backline and provide some stabilizing cover for Hamid) OR a real D.P. striker like Rudd Van Nestelroy or Miroslav Klose. The next D.P. MUST BE someone we all have heard of. Somebody that can re-ignite the support in the city, and someone who can bring some starpower to help spark interest in getting a stadium deal done. AND if a real quality coach comes available from Europe or South America, pull the trigger and let Onalfo go (even though I think Onalfo COULD be a pretty decent coach). Being loyal to a fault like we were with Soehn and not getting Bruce Arena back cost us dearly! That decision showed that front office had lots its touch and is going to pay a high price for that blunder. On so many levels, DC United is now one of the worst, if not THE worst, franchise in the MLS.

Posted by: alan19 | August 1, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Ron, it doesn't matter who it is- whoever they are, they MUST go. Now.

Posted by: kdiff813 | August 1, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

The stadium (or departure) will have to precede an established name DP, I think.

Klose, yeah, good one, that's funny. Maybe we can sign Wesley Sneijder too.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 1, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what's more interesting, DC's dismal season or Danny's pre-season.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Wesley Sneijder? We have a better chance of signing Wesley Crusher.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 1, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

alan19 -- how many millions are you willing to kick in?

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

kdiff, it does matter. posters here direct plenty of bile toward Payne and Kasper, but Will 'Dan Snyder" Chang gets a pass from just about everybody here. few are willng to face the fact that *Chang* is the ringleader of the FO. He said he was taking over the FO, and that is exactly what he has done. and the result has been the worst dc united team EVER. CHANG took the conn and put the DCU plane into the death spiral it is in.

Yet Chang gets a pass, he is above reproach, he is still considered a great owner by many here becuase he drank beer with the supporters groups. Or something.

We have the worst owner in MLS. That is why we have the wors team in MLS.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

""Yet Chang gets a pass, he is above reproach, he is still considered a great owner by many here becuase he drank beer with the supporters groups. Or something. We have the worst owner in MLS.

Posted by: Ron16 ""

That's a bit over the top. To suggest that Will Chang, the only guy left standing after McFarland and the Blue Devils group bailed on the club, is the worst?

Will lacks the resources that other clubs have, but to suggest he's the reason we're where we are is, imo, out of line.

To me, the fault lies in the gang that brought in our Argentine/Colombian contigent, the Gonzalos, Niell, etc and hoped to make a mark in CONCACAF/hemisphere, but then failed to remember that winning the league should be first and foremost . . I don't fault them for trying, but it clearly failed. The club's not been the same since.

. . . stadium woes/RFK aside, 12 points from 18 games, 12 goals for and 31 against is pathetic. Hopefully, it won't get much worse as this is the lowest the franchise
has ever seen.

The Open Cup is our tournament now, it's the only thing left where we can salvage some pride.

Posted by: delantero | August 1, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

delantero, most if not all of those failed acquisitions RESULTED in Chang taking over the day-to-day and decisional control of the front office. Since then, things have gotten WORSE, and not better. Besides, as a principal owner at the time, he is still ultimately responsible anyway. How is saying that out of line?

And Chang's lack of resources relative to other owners as well as relative to the marketplace he is in is part of the fundamental problem that faces DC United. If you can't run with the big dogs, then get out.

Chang, like Al Haig, has declared, "I am in control here." Yet Chang gets a pass apparently because he is good at schmoozing with the supporter's groups.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Ron, perhaps you misread or misinterpreted my stance- I want everyone in the FO gone, Chang included. Unfortunately, he's an owner, which I'm not sure is a job you can be fired from (see Liverpool and Man U fans' discontent with their owners, and how the owners don't give a crap because they don't need to). He is the top of the DCU food chain; he dictates everything, and we cannot force him out unless we all stop attending games or spending any money on DCU apparel. This would make him lose ton of revenue, and probably force him into bankruptcy or to sell the team.

Posted by: kdiff813 | August 1, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Other people have said it here before but the thing DCU needs to concentrate on most is getting a new stadium. I used to think that DC United could stay at RFK forever but I was clearly wrong. Until a stadium deal is reached, the situation for DC United is not going to improve much.

I still don't understand why a new stadium can't be built in the RFK parking lot. There's so much space around there, it's right next to the Metro, and it's in DC.

Or is the District just holding out for the Redskins to come back and reclaim that space?

Posted by: diego_r | August 1, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Not sure what's more interesting, DC's dismal season or Danny's pre-season.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 1, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

==========================================

For the first time in years I am completely certain that the Redskins are not only better than United but they are also without question better run than United. Frankly, it's now an insult to the Redskins to compare them to United.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Other people have said it here before but the thing DCU needs to concentrate on most is getting a new stadium. I used to think that DC United could stay at RFK forever but I was clearly wrong. Until a stadium deal is reached, the situation for DC United is not going to improve much.

I still don't understand why a new stadium can't be built in the RFK parking lot. There's so much space around there, it's right next to the Metro, and it's in DC.

Or is the District just holding out for the Redskins to come back and reclaim that space?

Posted by: diego_r | August 1, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

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The post of the day. Unless the changes in the ownership or FO lead to a new SSS deal they really don't matter. Any changes that don't lead to a new stadium are worthless. It's all about the stadium people. FYI-DC can't sit around waiting for the Skins. If United leaves then the land around RFK will be gone because it is tenantless. At least that is what I have read previously.

Posted by: croftonpost | August 1, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

There is a reason why other leagues have relegation.

Posted by: homdar | August 1, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

kdiff: and there is the problem. chang is the owner. he can change FO execs and coaches all he wants. But HE is the problem. he either needs to sell the team, OR he needs to stop being like Dan Snyder -- Chang needs to butt out completely from soccer decisions, shut up, and sign the checks. Preferably some big checks for good players. And if Payne and Kasper can't get good players, then Chang should get someone in here who can.

But if Chang can't put a stadium deal together, and apparently he can't, then who needs him? What good is he? He should sell the team to someone who can get a stadium done.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Ron16 -- what is your evidence that Will Chang has, as you put it, taken over the day to day operations of the team? Please be very specific, using examples of decisions that Chang made and the evidence that he's the one that made them. Thanks in advance.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Ron16,

The problems with United lie with those before and after the ownership changes. See Payne and Kasper timeline . . . Chang is likely the only thing holding this thing together and if he decides to pull the trigger elsewhere . . no more DC in DC United.

Posted by: delantero | August 1, 2010 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Ron16:

Bruce didn't want to come back (been there, done that) and he knew what a dog's lunch DCU has become. Even if there was some interest on Bruce's part, KP couldn't get him without offing Kasper, or reassigning him a la Ashton, something he just plain does not want to do no matter how much lands on DK's doorstep.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

mightymax, I never said anything about bruce coming back.

christopher metzler, please see chang's open letter to the fans after our failed season in which we won the USOC but crashed out ofn the playoffs, the content of which to my knowledge he has never modified or rescinded.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Ron16,

The problems with United lie with those before ***and after*** the ownership changes. See Payne and Kasper timeline . . . Chang is likely the only thing holding this thing together and if he decides to pull the trigger elsewhere . . no more DC in DC United.

Posted by: delantero |

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Emphasis mine. I rest my case, since you have stipulated to it.

If Chang is the owner, and he is, OF COURSE he is the only thing "holding this team together". Who is going to dispute a statement like that? OF COURSE if he decides to bail on DC, then there is no more DC United.

So does that mean he is beyond criticism, no matter how much he deserves it? Does that mean he is immune to the assessment that he is just too much of an economic lightweight and political outsider to get a stadium deal done in DC?

I don't think so. DCU's problems are two fold:

1) Chang has injected himself into the soccer decisions, meaning that well is permanently poisoned until such time as he wises up and backs off or sells the team.

2) Chang and his cronies have pretty much burned their bridges in DC. That leaves Maryland. Hopefully that means, somehow, Maryland near a DC Metro station. But frankly I have doubts he can get that done.
So it may mean Baltimore. In that case you are looking at almost certain franchise suicide.

Bottom line: With Chang, this team is almost certainly toast.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Ron16 -- you're absolutely right that it suggests in that letter that both MacFarlane and Chang will be looking more closely at what the team does. But that's not what I asked. What I asked is for examples of decisions actually made by Chang, and evidence for that. In other words, I'm asking for evidence that what was suggested would occur in that letter *actually did*.

You'll also notice, for instance, that the letter says that MacFarlane and Chang would henceforth regularly communicate with the fans, updating them on their activities and their impression of the team status. How often has *that* happened?

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

C Metzler, I take Chang at his word in terms of control of the team. Draw your own conclusions about his stated intent regarding communication with the fans.

If Chang's written word can't be trusted at all, then it is sayonara soccer team for sure.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 5:32 PM | Report abuse

C Metzler, I take Chang at his word in terms of control of the team. Draw your own conclusions about his stated intent regarding communication with the fans.

If Chang's written word can't be trusted at all, as you imply, then it is sayonara soccer team for sure.

Posted by: Ron16 | August 1, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Ron16; I meant to direct my post to Alan19.

Alan19:

What I said.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

The team can make it wil Will as owner. he hasn't injected himself into the soccer decision-making; he delegates that to KP and through KP to Kasper. He does perch himself on their shoulders more than he did in the past. He likes to know what's going on, but if KP and DK agree, say, that acquiring or drafting a certain player is what they think is best for the team, then Will will likely support it and won't push back.

Will has a lot of money; he can make a lot of things happen, including a SSS; he just wants an area jurisdiction to pony up some of the costs, as all do in one form or another for their sports teams. He can also make this team better on the field by spending money to hire a management team that has a proven track record pof success to replace the one there now, which, but for one year when DCU caught lightning in a bottle with E-Stew, Nellie, Esky, Gomez, a rejuvenated Jaime, and Nick Rimando, has been a failure.

Posted by: mightymax | August 1, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Here's the article from May where Chang takes full responsibility for all decisions and says he's even involved in the starting line-up. He also says he's actively looking for local investors. All of that said, I still think he needs to sack KP and DK to get the stink out and start with a new attitude. Onalfo to me is nothing more than a victim of his environment.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/penalty-kicks/DC-United-owner-Will-Chang-speaks-92912804.html

Posted by: dsheon1 | August 1, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I have a very hard time assigning more blame to Chang than to the people running the team day to day. It's hard to believe that he is running things from SF. My guess is that he has entrusted Payne and Co. with keeping the ship going. I see no evidence that he's out scouting in South America or Europe or anywhere else. As the owner/operator he has final say in a lot of things of course. But I don't believe he is especially hands on. And certainly the way the league is structured places certain limitations on what each team can do.

And unless you are willing to open your checkbook, Ron, I don't think there's another option for owner/operator at this point. So you can rail against Chang as much as you want but he's not going anywhere.

I certainly wouldn't invest DP money in a defender as was suggested up-thread. No one comes to the stadium to see a defender play. If the point of a DP is his ultimate drawing power then there are few players that really warrant all that extra money...and they certainly don't include a certain midfielder from Montenegro that no one has ever heard of.

Posted by: fedssocr | August 1, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Ron16: so in other words, you don't have any specific decisions by the team braintrust for which you have evidence that he made the decision, or indeed that he *has* assumed day-to-day control of the team?

The idea that Will Chang is managing DC United's day-to-day operations is silly on its face. Being the Investor/Operator for DCU is only one of several jobs on Chang's plate, and far from the most important. Certainly the investors behind Westlake International Group, a private investment group that Chang manages, would be pretty irritated if Chang were spending that much time on a venture worth a tiny fraction of Westlake.

In case you think I'm trying to shield Chang from criticism, I'm not. I just don't think the *correct* criticism is that he's making the wrong decisions. From what I've seen, and from what I've heard from sources inside and out, the problem isn't that he's making the wrong decisions, but that he's not making many decisions at all -- that he's deferred to Payne and Kasper, and that he's not holding KP and DK accountable for *their* decisions. Yes, I'm aware that that runs counter to the words expressed in the open letter from MacFarlane and Chang almost two years ago. So is the fact that we're not receiving those regular communications. At any rate, you'll notice that that letter is no longer available on any DCU website.

I'm not happy with Chang myself, for these reasons. But at the same time, it's important to remember that without Will Chang, it's arguable whether there'd *be* a DC United right now. When MacFarlane decided to cut and run, and Chang bought his share, the alternative would have been to return the team to the League, which would have meant either finding new owners/a new home for DCU in very short order to avoid contraction.

Right now, the team desperately needs additional, *local* investors. Chang has said that he's more than willing to be a minority stakeholder in such a circumstance -- not surprising, since he was when MacFarlane was around. If you've got some ideas for new owners, by all means, get out there and pursue them. But for all the things he's gotten/is getting wrong, it doesn't make much sense to me to curse Chang, seeing as how he's kept the team alive, and apparently lost millions out of his pocket doing it.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Portsmouth beat Fulham, and DCU crushed Portsmouth. So it's just a matter of time before they turn it around, because DCU are better than Fulham.

Posted by: OWNTF | August 1, 2010 12:30 PM
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This sounds suspiciously like Slippery Rock logic:

http://www.rockathletics.com/sports/2007/11/7/FB_1107073836.aspx?tab=rockmystique

Posted by: universityandpark | August 1, 2010 6:52 PM | Report abuse

dsheon1 -- absolutely he takes responsibility, as he should; but that's not the same thing as actively making the decisions himself. He's the first one to admit that he doesn't know that much about the sport yet. Which -- and this is purely my opinion -- is part of the problem, in that deference to experience might be sheltering KP and DK from accountability.

This team needs additional, *local*, investment, and yesterday, for all kinds of different reasons. I don't know who. I wish I did.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 1, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

999, lets not get carried away. DCU is a poor pro team and has its problems, but it would beat ANY high school team 149-0 with DCU running at half speed. decisions.

Posted by: Ron16 |

Yo Ron, ever heard of the word SARCASM? When I said that United couldn't beat a HS team, it might have been SARCASM!

Only an argumentitive know-it-all like yourself would take the time to argue such an obviously SARCASTIC remark. Anybody who has read this blog in the past few years knows that 99% of what I post is SARCASTICATIOUS.

Besides, Edison HS couldn't beat a Under 10 co-ed team.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 1, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

What Chris said.

Posted by: seahawkdad | August 1, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: universityandpark | August 1, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Sandy, UT was a bridge too far, but the Post did send Castillo to a closer destination:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/31/AR2010073103483.html

Posted by: universityandpark | August 1, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Ron16:Thank you for your interest. The white zone is for loading and unloading. We would like to take your call but all available operators are currently busy. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: NotOffisde | August 1, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I've stayed home in Roanoke, VA this year rather than coming to DC to watch United. When they can put a quality product on the field, or start heading in that direction, I'll be glad to come back and spend my money. The team has no spark, no focus, no consistency(except bad)and they were hugely outplayed last night. There are a few good players, but ownership/management/coaching isn't getting the job done. I miss RFK and I miss quality and consistency of play. Trying hard won't cut it. Try smarter in coaching and management.

Posted by: billabong3bcj | August 1, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

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