Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: SoccerInsider and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  Sports e-mail alerts  |  RSS

Uruguay vs. Netherlands: Dutch advance to World Cup final

The Netherlands defeated Uruguay, 3-2, to advance to the World Cup final for the first time since 1978.

By Matt Bonesteel  |  July 6, 2010; 4:30 PM ET
Categories:  2010 World Cup , Netherlands , Uruguay  
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Annan: Ghana brought Africa together
Next: South Africa World Cup: Sign of the times

Comments

Soccer is boring

Posted by: Kev29 | July 6, 2010 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Soccer is boring

Posted by: Kev29 | July 6, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me for stuttering

Posted by: Kev29 | July 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

You neanderthal. Go back to your peleton crashes.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Did Liz decide on a career change mid-tournament? :-)

Posted by: Juan-John1 | July 6, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@Kev29, then please don't watch. I think baseball is boring (for the most part), but I don't feel compelled to go onto The Post's baseball blogs to write that.

I just don't understand the need for people to do this on soccer boards...just don't understand.

Posted by: seahawkdad | July 6, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Kev29 was mocking the soccer haters. He's a frequent poster here.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 6, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Easy Kev, easy. Seahawk Dad is one of us. He just doesn't know you well.

I have the courage of my convictions, and I picked Holland all the way.

Or was it Brazil? Or Spain?

Netherlands-Spain would be a great final. But Germany's looking awfully good, too. So long as France and Italy are out! Woo hoo!

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | July 6, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe you were fished in, seahawkdad! Say it ain't so! :-)

I can't decide what I'd rather see on Sunday. Never root for the Germans, but Holland-Germany would be such a historically momentous World Cup final (again). Though Spain-Holland presents all that attacking flair. No lose proposition for the neutral. I will base my beverage choices on the finalists though - so there's that.

Posted by: Kev29 | July 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Rand al Thor, I agreed with you (bookmark that, folks) about France and Italy, but, ah -- with Robben, who needs France and Italy.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | July 6, 2010 5:08 PM | Report abuse

What a game: multiple golazos, a furious stoppage time comeback push, a bicycle kick to the face. It really had it all.

Posted by: BooThisMan | July 6, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I love Robben...probably because he got screwed over by RM, then showed them up at his next team.

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Spike ran the entire Band of Brothers miniseries yesterday, so I've know the Germany-Holland scenario. If they do play, Germany will take an early lead until van Marwijk is replaced by Dick Winters who will send in Donovan, Bradley, and Dempsey to bail out the Dutch.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 6, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I haven't had a chance to see the video again - was the 2nd Dutch goal legit? It looked great, just hard to tell if he was 1) offside or 2) touched the shot.

Great ending, and to think I almost went back to work at the 85th minute!

Posted by: eadc | July 6, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

I haven't had a chance to see the video again - was the 2nd Dutch goal legit? It looked great, just hard to tell if he was 1) offside or 2) touched the shot.

Posted by: eadc | July 6, 2010 5:18 PM

I think he was in an offside position - and since he affected the shot in terms of obstructing the keeper's line of sight, he should have been ruled offside. Rules experts - am I right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Offside_(association_football)#Offside_offence

Posted by: Kev29 | July 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Kev29,

I am curious on this as well. Seems similar to the goal scored by Paraguay, but disallowed.

Posted by: teamn | July 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Spike ran the entire Band of Brothers miniseries yesterday, so I've know the Germany-Holland scenario. If they do play, Germany will take an early lead until van Marwijk is replaced by Dick Winters who will send in Donovan, Bradley, and Dempsey to bail out the Dutch.

Posted by: I-270Exit1

Now that's Total Football.

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought the 2nd goal was offsides. But it was close enough to have been called even if the AR was letting the attacking team have the benefit of the doubt. I don't think you could say Van Persie wasn't involved in the play since he seemed to try to redirect the ball and also would have been influencing the goalkeepers reaction by being right in the ball's path.

It's been 32 years since the Dutch made the final so everyone should go out and celebrate with a Heineken or a Grolsch. But don't get carried away and start cutting the cheese til the Final.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

mmm 5 year aged gouda....

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I am pulling for Germany tomorrow so we have the chance to see ESPN put Klinsmann and Gullit on the set together and see them lie about how much both teams don't actually hate each other.

Read Galeano's Soccer in Sun and Shadow for a great breakdown of that rivalry.

Posted by: IamAM | July 6, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I wanted to root for Uruguay, but after the way they "won" against Ghana, I just couldn't. Especially after the player in question and the coach said they'd they're not ashamed and would do it again.

If he had issued an apology instead, it would have earned him and his coach and country international credit without changing a thing in terms of their participation in the semis. Instead they were booed by a continent and more. Good soccer skills, poor PR move.

Ian, The ESPN announcer, said any other player would have used their hands to block the Ghana shot, but I'm not so sure. And anyway I see it as plain old cheating. If every player would have done the same, why don't we see more blatant handballs in the box?

Posted by: WorldCup | July 6, 2010 5:37 PM | Report abuse

I would've done what Suarez did, too. But I doubt my reflexes would've been quick enough.

According to the last poll I saw, 15% think it is cheating.

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Germany-Holland or Holland -Spain are both mouthwatering matchups!
Hats off to Uruguay though. They ran their socks off today. El Maestro Oscar Tabarez is a brilliant coach and a class act as well.
He could teach both to his neighbor Diego!

Posted by: charlie015 | July 6, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Germany-Holland or Holland -Spain are both mouthwatering matchups!
Hats off to Uruguay though. They ran their socks off today. El Maestro Oscar Tabarez is a brilliant coach and a class act as well.
He could teach both to his neighbor Diego!

Posted by: charlie015 | July 6, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Forlan left in the 85th minute and coach Oscar Tabarez revealed after the match that his star played hurt.

"From minute one he had a problem," Tabarez said. "I'm not dumb enough to take him out at 3-1 when the match wasn't lost. He was injured and could not continue."

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I think the situation has a lot to do with why we don't see more handballs in the box. That was a knockout game in the WC, with the Ghanaian shot happening at the end of the game. Add to that the additional millions for reaching the later stages. I'm not justifying Suarez' actions, just saying why.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 6, 2010 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Uruguay called for a handball in the Dutch box at the end of the game, but I didn't get to see replays. I thought it hit the head of a Dutch player. Can anyone check the game if you have it recorded?

Posted by: JPHT | July 6, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

@WorldCup: We don't see more handballs on the goalline because it's almost always a bad strategy. After the customary red card and penalty, it's very difficult for 10 players to tie the game in the time remaining.

When Suarez handled the ball, everybody knew that only seconds remained. And everyone could see that the ball otherwise would go in. Suarez intelligently appraised the moment and spared no expense in protecting the goal. His handball turned a certain goal into an almost-certain goal, at no cost to Uruguay's survival in the tournament. Improbably, Ghana lost because Gyan missed a penalty and two of his teammates failed to finish in the shootout.

Forget the quote marks, because Uruguay won. It's not cheating if the violator gets caught and appropriately punished. (For examples of cheating, see Maradona 1986 and Henry 2009.) Under your view, only cheaters commit handballs and fouls.

The real shame would have been if Suarez let the ball in, and afterward said he would have stopped the ball to keep his country in the tournament, except that he feared the bad publicity for himself.

Posted by: hungrypug | July 6, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

John Harkes should do commentary at the Little League World Series, not the WC. The guy is clueless on how to take the action off the pitch and put it into simple jargon without mincing his two cents worth of empty talk.

Posted by: juke2 | July 6, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

According to the last poll I saw, 15% think it is cheating.
Posted by: Reignking

Did Thierry Henry cheat against Ireland?

Or is it only cheating if you're caught?

Seriously, only 15% think so it is, eh. So much for the gentleman's game. Pathetic louts!

Suarez = Henry = Maradona = divers = jersey pullers = cheaters one and all.

Posted by: delantero | July 6, 2010 7:19 PM | Report abuse

Suarez made the greatest save the 2010 World Cup has witnessed...

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | July 6, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Suarez made the greatest save the 2010 World Cup has witnessed...

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | July 6, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, it wasn't cheating it really was a brilliant play that was within the rules of the game.

If you don't like the rules blame FIFA but as far as Suarez is concerned he did what he had to do to keep his team in play and he paid for it with a red card that kept him out of the semi-finals.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 6, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

Back from watching the game...if anyone's interested to see the reaction in Amsterdam when the game ended, I just uploaded the video...Cheers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut5RPG1C1IQ

Posted by: redskinsux | July 6, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Seriously, it wasn't cheating it really was a brilliant play that was within the rules of the game.
Posted by: Southeasterner
=============

Seriously, if you get a red card, your actions are not within the rules of the game.

I can't believe what I'm reading here. Basically, the Suarez apologists are bound by logic to agree that if you break a star opponent's leg in the first minute so that he can't score against you, it's acceptable.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | July 6, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe anyone doesn't think it was a great play.

Posted by: Reignking | July 6, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

@hungrypug and southeasterner: you said "It's not cheating if the violator gets caught and appropriately punished." You go on to argue that Maradonna and Henry et. al. were cheaters because they didn't get caught and punished. That argument just doesn't hold up. It's the action they took that is against the rules. They got an advantage by knowingly breaking the rules of the game and that is cheating.

I agree with delantero when he eloquently writes: "Suarez = Henry = Maradona = divers = jersey pullers = cheaters one and all"

Southesterner writes "It was a brilliant play that was withing the rules of the game". But this can't be true. The rules of the game explicitly state that only goalies can handle the ball. Period. Full Stop. In fact, here is a quote from FIFA's rule book that gets to the broader point:

"A player is sent off, however, if he prevents a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball. This punishment arises not from the act of the player deliberately handling the ball but from the unacceptable and unfair intervention that prevented a goal being scored."

FIFA doesn't use the word cheating, but "unacceptable and unfair intervention" is essentially the same.

I mean, yikes. Take your argument to a different (some would say out of) context and we're in real trouble. For example: John robbed the bank in broad daylight and made away with $1m, but he got caught and paid a $100k fine, so it's OK. If the law only allows for a $100k fine and you don't like that, hey, it's not John's fault. He didn't do anything wrong.

Posted by: WorldCup | July 6, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, but no one here condoned purposefully injuring an opponent. If you can't believe you read that, it's because you didn't.

I think Southeasterner meant that the laws of the game set Suarez's punishment (ejection and suspension), in which case he is correct. As far as I know, only a few people (namely, http://tinyurl.com/2dg73ns ) argue that a field player may legitimately handle the ball.

Posted by: hungrypug | July 6, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

So if Gyan converts the penalty kick (the punishment for breaking the rules + the ejection), is Suarez still a cheater?

Posted by: Cerealman | July 6, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe anyone would equate breaking someone's leg with a play that doesn't cause physical harm to anyone.

Posted by: desenada | July 6, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

We are comparing a hand ball to physical violence and bank robbery?

I would hate for you guys to be the judge if I ever had a speeding ticket, my guess is you would think execution is reasonable punishment given you would probably argue anyone capable of speeding is also capable of murder so the two should be convicted similarly.

Off-sides is against the rules, slide tackles with the cleats up are against the rules as well as numerous other offenses but I don’t think you would advocate that every player that gets caught offsides should be labeled as a cheater and should be red carded.

The answer is for FIFA to change the rules and say that an intentional hand ball in the box to prevent an obvious goal should be counted as a goal rather than a PK.

Until then what Suarez did is still against the rules but if you break this particular rule you are red carded and sent off the field and the other team is given a PK. Given that choice what Suarez did was brilliant.

Posted by: Southeasterner | July 6, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Saurez could have used his head, or his darn face for that matter. I don't get too caught up telling the little U-4's in my neighborhood much of anything other than "you don't use your hands in soccer". It's part of the foundation of the game no?
That being said. Who cares? Uruguay is out like the rest of em'.
Looking forward to tomorrow's match.

Posted by: DadRyan | July 6, 2010 10:53 PM | Report abuse

If a defensive player in American football commits pass interference, or grabs a facemask to prevent a touchdown, a basketball player cleans out someone on a breakaway, there is a punishment in the rules that penalize the offender for doing so. Someone try to explain how the hardball was different that those situations. Dirty? Yes, but the rules cover it and he was punished as said by the rules. Diving is different because the nature of diving decieves the referee to call something that was not there, and there is no post game review to correct the situation.

Second Holland goal:
He did not touch the ball, and to be involved in active play you have to block someone's sight or path to the ball, the keeper was not prevented from saving the ball because of rvp being in the way, had he touched it... that would have been a really difficult call they were so close.

Posted by: BBFunnyMan | July 7, 2010 1:33 AM | Report abuse

both Suarez and the Uruguay player standing next to him went for the ball with their hands. in the last moments of the game (and presumably the tournament) he made a calculated decision to prevent a goal. My only gripe with the play is that he tried to sneak away and pull the "who me?" rather than just step up to the ref immediately and take his punishment. He found a soccer loophole. there aren't many, and he made the absoulte most of it for his country. the analogies to breaking an opponents leg in the 1st minute and robbing a bank are completely ridiculous (you guys are better than that!)

Posted by: VTUnited | July 7, 2010 1:35 AM | Report abuse

additionally on the Suarez thing, what would everyone's reaction be if:
- He made the handball play earlier in the game (ie, not the last play of the game)
- Gyan had made the PK

In either case, I sincerely doubt there is any debate here at all, let alone cries to change the rules and make it an automatic goal.

Posted by: VTUnited | July 7, 2010 1:41 AM | Report abuse

Still not buying the whole 'I cheated for my country so it's patriotic and ok' argument. Nor the 'punishment is dealt, so it's ok' line either. Regardless of whether Ghana makes the pk or misses it, Suarez acted illegally in such a manner that he was thrown out of the game. i.e. in a manner that disregards the nature of soccer. I am for much more than just the one game suspension - same with Henry.

Posted by: silverrey | July 7, 2010 3:13 AM | Report abuse

well VTUnited, fischy was actually hinting at making it an automatic goal, so there's at least one.

Posted by: DadRyan | July 7, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company