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Matchnight: D.C. United-FC Dallas

Greetings from RFK Stadium for Ben Olsen's home debut as interim coach.

DCU LINEUP: Hamid; McTavish, Talley, James, Burch; Najar, King, Boskovic, Quaranta; Hernandez, Allsopp. Subs: Perkins, Jakovic, Zayner, Morsink, Pontius, Cristman, Moreno.

Kickoff: 8 p.m. ET.
TV: Comcast SportsNet/DC, Direct Kick.

Your pregame, in-game and postgame observations are warmly encouraged.

By Steve Goff  |  August 14, 2010; 7:10 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United  | Tags: D.C. United  
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good game between NY and LA. amazing that these two teams are in the same league as DC. that being said, it's LAUGHABLE how fox soccer keeps hyping this game as some kind of big "rivalry". please...a "rivalry" actually needs COMPETITION. just because you want it to be a rivalry, doesn't make it so.

Posted by: birdynumnum | August 14, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Entire defense looks 2nd string, midfield and forwards look like the best we have minus Simms.

Now the question: Where does Pontius fit on the field?

When starting it seems like has has had 3 or 4 positions, but now I can't figure who he would/should beat-out to be a starter.

Posted by: buck-bass-goal | August 14, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

100 degrees in Dallas at kickoff. Hard to believe this is going to be a very attractive match.

Over/under first United injury or Dallas goal: say 38th?

Posted by: benonthehill | August 14, 2010 8:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else having trouble with the MLS MatchDay Live stream? It is choppy as hell. NE vs. HOU plays fine, though.

Posted by: chemweapon | August 14, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Chemweapon, I'm having the same issues.

Posted by: dcarmy | August 14, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Doh! Somehow had it in my head this was a road match.

Posted by: benonthehill | August 14, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Doh! Somehow had it in my head this was a road match.
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All the empty seats, perhaps?

Posted by: universityandpark | August 14, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Empty seats and sadly empty participation on the soccer insider blog. Even though this blog is called *soccer* insider and Goff does a good job giving us non-dc united stuff, the truth is most of us are here for the inside DC stuff. Sadly, with the team being so bad the interest is waning.

Posted by: tundey | August 14, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

Well I may have had the location wrong, but that was a pretty darn good over/under.

Posted by: benonthehill | August 14, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Got home just in time to see the goal.


Sigh.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 14, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Just horrible - street soccer has more skill and heart. Dallas have even sunk to our level - like a low division hockey team. I never thought that the worst team in the history of MLS would be DCU...The team needs to move,no longer care where. Najar needs to find a real team, to grow or he will end up like Adu. Tonite I think that DCU have reached bottom, unfortunately, as things stand, I see no short term fixes, and based on the FO's history, I have little hope left for a future in DC. For the team, a move may shake the tree, or else DCU will just disappear into the history of MLS.

Posted by: londonboy | August 14, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

My dad at the game says the biggest cheer was for Olsen, and the Olsen's Army banner was great. Then in the 3rd minute, Talley should have been red-carded, Quaranta and Burch cannot cross (despite our announcers telling us, once again, this is their strength), Allsopp misses a one-on-one, and Big D scores easily.

Seems like Pontius should be left mid for Santino. Rongen rightfully says he is missing the frame most of his shots. At least Boskovic is moving well, and Hernandez looks good.

Posted by: jojosbo | August 14, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

2010 dc united = 2004 montreal expos

Posted by: birdynumnum | August 14, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Santino Quaranta...is he actually trying to suck this much? He is simply a bad player on a very, very bad team.

Posted by: Hoost | August 14, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

At least Dallas took sympathy on United, spotting an owngoal to give the few faithful at RFK something to cheer about. Hats off to Benitez for the charity work.

Posted by: bartapest1 | August 14, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Most embarrassing stat of the night: 12,474 announced attendance tonight

Posted by: jrnail23 | August 14, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Most embarrassing stat of the night: 12,474 announced attendance.

Posted by: jrnail23 | August 14, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I missed the details on the Soccer Insider Barclays Fantasy Premier League...how do I join? (Notice change in topic from the painful match just wrapping up).

Posted by: bartapest1 | August 14, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I missed the details on the Soccer Insider Barclays Fantasy Premier League...how do I join? (Notice change in topic from the painful match just wrapping up).

Posted by: bartapest1 | August 14, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

So...my highlight game of the year will be the Portsmouth match.

This franchise is dying before our eyes.

Posted by: DCB23 | August 14, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Look, I love Tino, his story and us drafting him at 15 but it might be time to leave him unprotected in the expansion draft and wish him well.

Posted by: rockotodd | August 14, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | August 14, 2010 10:55 PM | Report abuse

2010 dc united = 2004 montreal expos

Posted by: birdynumnum
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2004 montreal expos ---> 2005 washington nationals

2010 dc united ---> 2011 ???

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | August 14, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Heckuva job, Payney!

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | August 14, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

sigh. I could tell it would be a small crowd when I pulled into lot 8 at 7:30 and it was virtually empty. But it's hard to blame anyone for not coming to see this mess.

Quaranta has been terrible all season. I am astonished that he keeps on starting. Ben needs to wake up and put our best 11 out there. Burch is still as bad as he was before the injury. At this point we might as well have the young guys out there getting more experience.

Posted by: fedssocr | August 14, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Bartapest and other BPL curious:

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/
League Name: Soccer Insider
Password:1334427-271332

and also the ESPN based league that some may play as well

http://premierfantasy.soccernet.espn.go.com
League Name: Soccer Insider
Password: Goff

Posted by: DadRyan | August 14, 2010 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Ben needs to wake up and put our best 11 out there...At this point we might as well have the young guys out there getting more experience...

Posted by: fedssocr
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You do realize these statements might be in conflict with each other, don't you?

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | August 14, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

When will Kasper do the honorable thing and retire? We can promise him an sendoff game.

Posted by: DCUSince96 | August 14, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Well, I wore tennis clothes tonight to break the jinx of my black garb. It didn't work.

The first 30 minutes or so, we were dominating but couldn't finish. Both Allsopp and Hernandez had clear shots but waited too long before striking. Burch had a cracker of a shot from distance on a set piece. Hartman had to make excellent saves on all three plays.

Then Talley did his impression of a pylon, letting Ferreira (?) in way behind him for a wide open reception and score. And the team folded like a tent. It was amazing how the air went out of that balloon, like they were just waiting for something bad to happen.

Dallas's second goal was helped by Talley's crashing to the turf with an injury. While Talley was prone for what seemed like a minute, Dallas built up and scored.

Najar had his usual moments, and Hernandez had some wizardry in the midfield, but otherwise it was pretty lame after the 35th minute. Hamid kept kicking long balls out of bounds, Tino got his twelfth field goal of the year, and Branko will be played by Claude Rains in the movie version. . . .

Posted by: paulkp | August 14, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Another horrible game from Baltimore United.

Quaranta has got to be leading the league in "shots on rows 10-30".

I feel so bad for Olsen. I hope this stint doesn't stunt his coaching career.

Posted by: chemweapon | August 14, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

chemweapon, you dating PowerTroller now or something??
Dis the team for their ineptness, but check the calling the club something it certainly is not.

Posted by: DadRyan | August 14, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

@DCUSince96..or, failing to retire, Sepuku.

Posted by: seahawkdad | August 15, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Fire Ben Olsen.

Seriously, can we retire the meme that Soehn and Onalfo were killing a good team? This is a horrible team. THe only players I'd be interested in seeing return next year are Najar and Hernandez. THe rest of the team? Meh.

As for the nonsense about Olsen "motivating" this team? Did y'all see Allsopp walk towards the goal before the final corner kick? Actually "walk" implies that he was moving with some pace. If he had, he might have been in position when the kick was taking, instead of taking his sweet time getting there.

The only real cheers in the game did go for real hustle. Quaranta's stripping the ball from Ferreira on the breakaway, after he couldn't bring him down by fouling him; Najar repeatedly getting to balls that seemed headed out of bounds, Marc BUrch sprinting 25 yards to launch himself feet first into Atiba Harris, (Burch probably should have seen red, but it would have been worth it, especially given the acting job Harris pulled later on Najar), and a take down oF harris later on the other side.

The problem with this team, though, isn't their hustle. It's a lack of speed, conviction in the play, creativity, and truly abysmal finishing. Despite several excellent chances, I never expected the team to score, because they cannot. They needed Dallas to help out.

Feh.

Posted by: fischy | August 15, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

IT TAKES MORE...Dad Ryans and own goals!!!

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 15, 2010 12:04 AM | Report abuse

Will the DC United front office step up and offer refunds to those of us who paid to witness that travesty -- like the Sounders did for their season-ticketholders when they got beee-atch-slapped? I know the Sounders lost that one 4-0, but when you think about it, Dallas scored all 4 goals tonight...

Posted by: fischy | August 15, 2010 12:07 AM | Report abuse

OG now a legitimate threat to lead DCU in scoring this season.

Posted by: benonthehill | August 15, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

That looked like a team that can't wait for the season to be over. I am bummed to see them play like that.

Posted by: SeanWG | August 15, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

The team is in a tough spot. Except for James, no one in back was fully fit, thus the wildness on the ball, and no one had the speed to keep up with Ferreira, Shea & co. Something was wrong with Hamid too, starting about 15 minutes in. He just didn't look right. Like he had either strained something in his right leg, or was actually ill.

Boskovic, Hernandez, and Allsopp actually played well, creating most of the chances in the first half. Hartman gets all the credit for stoning Allsopp, just a brilliant play by him, but Bosko and Hernandez are psyching themselves out, with Allsopp joining in for most of the second half. The entire attack is just psyched out, like a fear-of-failure thing.

Q has had the yips all season, it makes sense to pull him back. Every time he hits the final third he just barrels straight for the goal, head down. But his passing hasn't been as bad as people say. Of the dozens of truly gorgeous crosses and free kicks whiffed on by (insert anybody) this season, most came off his foot.

As much as we all love Najar, he's not ready to carry the offensive load. He's not terribly fast, he's inexperienced, and he lacks endurance. He has trouble getting to a lot of very dangerous passes and his first touch is unreliable. I think it's just an endurance thing, and he'll literally grow out of it. Meanwhile, if the midfield's too crowded, I'd think about pulling him back too, to RB. What have they got to lose?

As for getting Pontius on the field, I've always thought he'd be best in Olsen's former role. He is a really good ball hawk, and all of his MLS success has come from the midfield, so I think pushing him up top is a non-starter.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | August 15, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

This team is just not good enough. Technically we are very short of what is required.Nuff said.

Posted by: uknowmeas-GQ | August 15, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Nothing left to do but just play the GD game. We saw a good 20 minutes of that, then things just snowballed.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | August 15, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Hey at least DC can say that nobody has ever been worse in MLS, that's another Trophy in my book.

Posted by: Lot8Date | August 15, 2010 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The real problem with DC United is the front office, which lacks any imagination, and probably also suffers from a lack of effort.

CHecking in for Dallas near the end of the games was a 22 year-old on loan from Sao Paolo, Jackson Goncalves. Like the Glaxy's rental of 3 young Brazilians. I accidentally stumbled across Goncalves before the game. I thought it was a 7:30 start, so I hustled to the stadium (kicking myself fro my stupidity, because I pad the $15 to park, instead of free parking at the Metro, since i was rushing).

Anyway, I was watching Dallas warm-up, from the old BBQ Porch. I noticed this one player who was showing ridiculous skills and wasn't sure who he was -- not even listed on the game-day roster.Dude was playing the volley drill with two other players and he kept showing the most absurd moves -- including twice playing the ball back over his head with heel touches. I don't see anyone on DC with those kind of ball skills. WHen DC needs help, they recycle Emilio, or they wast a DP slot on an obscure, mediocre European that probably could have been had for half the money.

No imagination. No effort.

Posted by: fischy | August 15, 2010 12:32 AM | Report abuse

Contrary to what Pres. Obama said to Netroots Nation, sometimes change needs to strat from the top....

Posted by: fischy | August 15, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

Contrary to what Pres. Obama said to Netroots Nation, sometimes change needs to start from the top....

Posted by: fischy | August 15, 2010 12:35 AM | Report abuse

I think it actually has more to do with the combination of players we have and the lack of continuity year over year as opposed to any one individual player "lacking skill". Our defense has been the biggest problem in the last three years, starting with a shaky GK situation and a slew of injured or ineffectual backs shuffling in and out of the lineup.

I mean, honestly, I can play the ball back over my head with my heel and can volley on frame with both my left and right foot. If you can't do that, you shouldn't even be on a high school team let alone a professional team.

And whether it's really Kasper's fault or not that we have this combination of players (it has to be his fault, he's our GM right?) he needs to go. We need fresh eyes looking over this team, identifying which individuals should stay and which should go and how to creative a cohesive unit of 24 players who all actually fit together, whose styles when combined create a whole.

And if you don't think this can be done in one year, the Red Bulls were 5-19-6 last year. What did they do? Fired their coach mid-season, hired a new GM and coach in the off season, made some impressive moves and are now sitting as one of three or four favorite teams to win the MLS Cup just one year later.

Posted by: mercurysnake77 | August 15, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Olsen! What the puck were you thinking? Quaranta and Burch starting and on the same side. Olsen lost this game.

Posted by: Ivanovich84 | August 15, 2010 1:26 AM | Report abuse

Carey Talley needs to decline the armband the next time its handed to him. not even attempting to disrupt Fereira on the first goal and then to staying down while the team was under the attack that lead up to the second goal is not to type of "leadership" that this team needs.

Posted by: VTUnited | August 15, 2010 1:47 AM | Report abuse

I wonder whether next Sunday will be a Philly fan invasion?

Posted by: weetabixjihad | August 15, 2010 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Yep, DC United is a clear metaphor for the Obama administration. (Chortle). Ah, Fischy.

Other than that, I do agree that hustle isn't the the problem. The past two games, at least, have had that. But at the same time, I don't think these two matches are an indication of Olsen's abilities versus Onalfo and Soehn, who both had time to set up their seasons. He's playing with a deck which was stacked with older players by Soehn; and supplemented by Allsopp (he of the killer miss), Talley (shudder), Perkins, Castillo, Pena, and Morsink.

That's a poisoned anchor.

I'm not saying that Ben is the solution at the coaching position, I would need to see something substantial by season's end. But this game they looked determined, and had Allsopp been able to finish that shot (or any shot) we would have had a lead and at least a chance. We also need to dump Mctavish, it is time.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | August 15, 2010 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Type "woeful" into the online thesaurus and get a picture of DCU:

agonized, anguished, appalling, awful, bad, calamitous, catastrophic, deplorable, disappointing, disastrous, disgraceful, distressing, doleful, dreadful, feeble, gloomy, grievous, grim, heartbreaking, heartrending, hopeless, inadequate, lamentable, lousy, miserable, paltry, pathetic, piteous, pitiable, pitiful, poor, racked, rotten, shocking, sorrowful, sorry, tortured, tragic, unfortunate, wretched

I'll never forgive Benitez for the own goal that prevented DCU from tying the league record for most shutouts in a season. Well, there's always next week.

When a team is the league's worst, it draws the worst referees. Shea deserved a yellow for undercutting Talley. No call, then another goal against.

Pity Ben. Sack Payne and Kasper.

Posted by: runningcloud | August 15, 2010 9:00 AM | Report abuse

We can't play a 4-2-4 with that back line. And don't try to pretend that Quaranta and Najar are playing midfield.
Also, you can't push the outside backs up field so early in the attack when the ball is still in your defensive end when you have James in the center.
When your team is as weak as DC is, you need to play a true 4-4-2 and take your chances. Unfortunately, we can't even finish our chances.
And still, as lame as DCU is this year (in both literal and metaphorical senses), it could still surprise in the Open Cup. Not likely, but it could happen.

Posted by: 5jamar | August 15, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

First, turnover is an issue with this team. I don't think it's the PRIMARY problem but over the past couple of years, it's been a contributor.

Second, we haven't had a goal scorer. Really in the past 7-8 years, only Emilio in his first year was a true finisher for us--and you saw what a difference that makes. Having a good poacher/finisher allows you to win games against the run of play, it allows you to sit back and counter in matches on the road or when you have a congested schedule or a short bench due to injury-fatigue. We (except for Emilio's great initial season) always been a team that scored goals by pushing forward, by great skill and team ball movement. And that meant we always had plenty of games where we had the run of play but lost.

But Emilio's initial success camoflauged how the skill level of the team was degrading (b/c he did win us some games against the run of play). Too many people had faith in an aging Gomez (who if Payne could be critiicized for the initial decision, it was giving Christian too much opportunity to sign rather than go to Colorado). And then bringing him back--we saw how that worked with RDA--re-reruns tend to play badly with DC United.

So it's been a confluence of degrading skill/talent, lost a finisher who disguised part of that degrading skill, less depth (thanks in part to expansion) and then a couple of "straws" that really smashed the culture of "we are better than the other side, we're the better team, we don't lose at home" type of culture. Zach Wells was, on face value, a reasonable acquisition that turned out to be a disaster and I think helped create a team culture of "we'll find a way to give up a cheap goal and lose the match regardless of how we play" that has far outlived his career in DC. I'm not blaming him solely. And we've had other players (Erpen) who made disasterous mistakes on defense. But when a GK continually gives up soft goals, that sucks the hope and soul out of a team. And as a result, we have now had for at least 2 years, maybe longer, a culture of losing, a culture that goes into games "hoping" to win, a culture that allows us to give up one goal against the run of play and the team deflates (ala Dallas last night).

Talent-wise, I don't think we're the worst team in the league--not a team that should only win 2-3 games. But we're definitely in the bottom 3-5...we lack depth, "difference-makers", a goal scorer and have been hit by injuries. We should--based on our talent--be a team flitting around the edges of the playoffs who then gets eliminated by the last week or two and walks away muttering "we were so close" which disguises the distance between us and the teams in the top 3-4 spots. But that culture I talked about has us now where we're now the team that EVERYONE knows, if you get an early goal against, will fold up like a cardboard accordian.

Posted by: JoeW1 | August 15, 2010 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Quaranta has played well, with many good crosses and dead ball placements -- not last night, though. And he just can't shoot. But I disagree with those who say he has not played well. Allsop plays well but also can't finish often enough. Boskovic should not be on the field if he is going to try to dribble the whole team and not make plays. Of course he needs someone to pass to. But he was slow. Burch? Slowest feet in the league. James -- should have been sacked right after the first time he stopped running and let the player through to score in the first home game. Horrible. Put McTavish in there (he can't be worse, though he is worth every bit of the nothing DCU pays him), and anyone else on the outside.
DCU is toast this year. Worst MLS record ever. Worst set of players ever for DCU.
Who is scouting these players? None of the talent brought in has done a thing -- Jakovic and Pena are good -- but too old to be healthy for a full season. No depth at any position. How many bad passes does King get to make?
Even if everyone were healthy DCU still doesn't have a good time -- mediocre at best.
Coaches, including Olsen, need to play the talent they have, not the style they wish to play if they had better talent. So some of the problem is the coaches -- Soehn playing a 3 defender back line never worked. Onalfo had a hard job with a low-talent team, but he should have developed a way of playing that worked with that team (see LA 2 years ago).
The fixes are not easy -- money, better scouting for foreign talent, and a first rate experienced coach. I don't see it happening, though firing Onalfo was a good first step.

Posted by: 5jamar | August 15, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Time for Talley to hang 'em up. Time to bring the academy players in and let them get experience.

Posted by: ihillvt | August 15, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Assignment for a college kid; call it a preseason exibition/friendly as class starts soon:

Write an abstract on the wordy posts above by 5jamar & JoeW1.

Due by the time I drink 2 cups of coffee and take my morning constitutional.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 15, 2010 10:01 AM | Report abuse

You know things are bad when Goff can't even be bothered to do his usual Rewind post, even by 10am the next day.

Posted by: mrchuckles | August 15, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: emanon13 | August 15, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Whatever happened to the Euro style nets? If we are going to suck then we can at least look good doing it.

We're still unbeaten in mid-week games, not counting Thursdays.. :-)

Posted by: rademaar | August 15, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

My question is who is in charge of the backline? Does DC have a specific coach for that or is it the Head coach? Cause the defense was never a problem for DC until a couple of years ago.

Conspiracy Theory, I tell ya! Its all a ploy to move the team by the FO! I should make a cardboard sign with "The End is upon us" and stand outside RFK.

=P

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | August 15, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

headed to Philly for a few days. Any and all suggestions on places to eat and things to do with a 3 year old in tow in or near Center City would be appreciated. Not trying to spend money unless it's on food...and perhaps some beer...
:)

Posted by: DadRyan | August 15, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

did anyone else want to throw up watching Cunningham get that soft goal to move within 4 of Jaime? made me think that maybe DJak is one of those players who "doesn't understand what it means to play for the shirt", as KP would say.

Posted by: VTUnited | August 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Here's Goff article re the match

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/14/AR2010081403714.html

Posted by: emanon13

But not in the print edition. You can bet if it had been a Wizards game that ended at 10 PM, it would not have been too late to make the print edition.

Of course, this is the same newspaper that reported, in a story beginning on page one, that Washington has four pro sports teams.

Posted by: DCUSince96 | August 15, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Goff's article made it into my home delivered morning paper in Arlington.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | August 15, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

Yet another disaster in a long string of disasters this year. We need a go-to person up front. If we are planning for Burch to go to our speedy munchkin Najar as a the sole play maker, you know were are in trouble. Santino could NOT make a decent strike this year if his life depended on it! King was non-existent,Pontius shoule have started, and where was Moreno? No doubt the defense was in disaray,but if the offense cannot score you wil NEVER win.Why can't we keep the ball on the ground and make use of the 25 yard passes to move the ball forward?
THis is an UNBELIEVABLY bad season and with the quality of our players, it is really hard to understand why. Come On BEN, fire "em up !! Let's wrap up this season on a high note!!

Posted by: patrick18 | August 16, 2010 8:46 AM | Report abuse

did anyone else want to throw up watching Cunningham get that soft goal to move within 4 of Jaime? made me think that maybe DJak is one of those players who "doesn't understand what it means to play for the shirt", as KP would say.

Posted by: VTUnited | August 15, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse
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Makes me think that DJak was not quite match-fit and looked worn out already by that point in the match. I don't think he was ready to play, but we didn't have a choice. Who else would go in the middle?

Posted by: HarkesyRules | August 16, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

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