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Video: Chicharito's goal against Spain at Azteca

The friendly ended in a 1-1 draw, but Mexico's Man U sensation put El Tri ahead in the first half. Great audio:

By Steve Goff  |  August 11, 2010; 6:18 PM ET
Categories:  Mexico , Spain  | Tags: Chicharito  
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Posted by: Reignking | August 11, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Excited announcer. Too bad the USA doesn't have anything like it.

Also, very generous refereeing. Vela -- way offside -- stepped over the ball -- he might not have played the ball, but that's as close to being involved in the play as you can get.

Posted by: fischy | August 11, 2010 6:57 PM | Report abuse

USMNT better figure out it's coaching situation soon and get the program stabilized ASAP because that whole Gold Cup to Confed Cup thing may be a tad bit or a problem for us this edition.

Posted by: Kosh2 | August 11, 2010 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Chicharito should carry Mexico in next years Gold Cup just about as well as he did this World Cup, just as good as Hugo Sanchez did in 86.

I mean 1 great player does not make a team. It is hard to see what will happen with next years Gold Cup, we certainly have some work to do, but Mexico is still Mexico, they still have a bit of a head problem.

Actually, I dont worry about Chicharito so much because he is talented, but he looks, mentally, of a different mold than most mexican players... the mexican players that go over to europe and fail, and fear and anger shoots up when they face USA, the kind that don't do what needs to be done when it's do or die.

Posted by: MrCerniglia | August 11, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

My apologies for leaving this out of the last thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMfYNqJgO8Y

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | August 11, 2010 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Also, very generous refereeing. Vela -- way offside -- stepped over the ball -- he might not have played the ball, but that's as close to being involved in the play as you can get.

Well, it's got to fall under one of the three clauses that define involvement in active play. The "interfering with play" clause explicitly requires the ball to be touched for an infraction to be called. "Gaining an advantage" requires playing a rebound. So both of those are out.

"Interfering with an opponent" includes the pretty ill-defined (in my opinion) "making a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent". I've seen this called on occasion when an offside player draws a defender with his run, clearing space for an onside player. Maybe Spain could have gotten that call here if the guy that raised his arm and stopped had tried to run with Vela instead. But given that he didn't, and that it didn't look like anyone was going to catch Chicharito in any case, I think the no-call was absolutely right.

Posted by: BooThisMan | August 11, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

I mean 1 great player does not make a team. It is hard to see what will happen with next years Gold Cup, we certainly have some work to do, but Mexico is still Mexico, they still have a bit of a head problem.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see the balance of power in CONCACAF to swing back in Mexico's favor in the coming years. It's not just Chicharito; they have pretty good depth in their young talent. I would definitely take Chicarito, Guardado and Dos Santos over any three US players aged 23 or under right now.

Hoping I'm wrong, but I could definitely see them notching a few wins against our top squad outside the Azteca in the next cycle.

Posted by: BooThisMan | August 11, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

If that's not offsides, then I would never play an offsides trap again. Ridiculous. Its one thing if a player is on the opposite flank where he could not receive the ball in a dangerous or goal-scoring area, but the trap was specifically played to target that man who was in a dangerous position and within meters of Chicharitos path.

So you know your man is several meters offsides and you are basically screwed because the other guy blows through the middle of the trap, not even at an angle, to blow it up.

Why bother. What BS. Bad call.

Posted by: united100 | August 11, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

Is macho man randy savage into soccer? If so, lets have him do commentary.

Posted by: SexyOffender | August 11, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

And just about every rule in soccer is written so that the official can interpret it and not be deemed wrong by the letter of the rule. There is always judgement involved. The offsides guy dummied the ball to Chicharito. There is no reasonable defense of that call. That said, I'm just bitter that Mexico scored.

Posted by: united100 | August 11, 2010 9:03 PM | Report abuse

"Interfering with an opponent means preventing an opponent from
playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the
opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or
movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts
an opponent."
From the Laws of the Game.

If that's not a gesture/movement that distracts/deceives an opponent, I don't know what is.

Completely offside, the referee needs to read the rulebook.

Posted by: GoUnited | August 11, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Offside.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | August 11, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Not offside. Vela made it clear that he was in an offside position; none of the Spaniards were distracted by him. When playing the offside trap, you always have to run with the guys that are onside, cuz if the guy who is in the offside position does not play the ball, you're screwed. I've seen that call any number of times.

Posted by: glfrazier | August 11, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

huh

Posted by: NotOffisde | August 11, 2010 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Also from the Laws of the Game (pg 103, complete with a little diagram): "An attacker in an offside position (A) runs towards the ball and a team-mate in an onside position (B) also runs towards the ball and plays it. (A) cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball."

That should about settle it, I reckon.

Posted by: BooThisMan | August 11, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: DadRyan | August 11, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

had to go back and look at the headline to figure out who scored it...

onside...

Posted by: rainORshine | August 11, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Also from the Laws of the Game (pg 103, complete with a little diagram): "An attacker in an offside position (A) runs towards the ball and a team-mate in an onside position (B) also runs towards the ball and plays it. (A) cannot be penalised because he did not touch the ball."

That should about settle it, I reckon.

Posted by: BooThisMan | August 11, 2010 10:35 PM | Report abuse

That is a completely different situation. In this guy Vela ran to the ball, let it go and only afterward did Hernandez run to the ball.

Posted by: GoUnited | August 11, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

In this one*

Posted by: GoUnited | August 11, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Only afterwards? He'd started his run well before the ball was even kicked.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 12, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

The announcer is Enrique "El Perro" Bermúdez. Televisa's top soccer announcer.
One of my favorites as well. A lot of fun to listen to.
Cheers!

Posted by: abrarob | August 12, 2010 12:17 AM | Report abuse

Offside for sure.

Vela made a run and the Spaniards moved forward. At the moment the ball was played to Vela, Chicharito made his run and the three spanish defenders raised their hands indicating offside and stopped playing. Vela continued his run without raising his hands until he saw that Chicharito had a clear play on the ball.

Through his position and actions Vela influenced the play.

Posted by: bigbadbri | August 12, 2010 12:46 AM | Report abuse

At the moment the ball was played to Vela, Chicharito made his run and the three spanish defenders raised their hands indicating offside and stopped playing.

As if the Spanish aren't good enough already, now they get to officiate their own games? ;)

The rule is clear again: "A player in an offside position (A) may be penalised before playing or touching the ball, if, in the opinion of the referee, no other team-mate in an onside position has the opportunity to play the ball."

Chicharito had an opportunity to play the ball, so Vela couldn't be penalised before playing the ball. Sure, the fact that Vela approcahed the ball made the Spaniards stop, but they did so prematurely. Why should Mexico be punished for Spain's failure to play to the whistle?

Look, this was definitely a tough call that probably could have gone either way, especially given the split-second nature of these decisions. But I think the officiating crew did very well on this one.

Posted by: BooThisMan | August 12, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

fischy,

Well, we used to have Jack Edwards!

THEIR DRUBBING PORTUGAL!

THAT'S WHY HE'S HERE!

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Posted by: Ron16 | August 12, 2010 7:27 AM | Report abuse

Uh, that's offside. Period. "[M]aking a gesture or movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an opponent." How about a friggin' stepover! Lol. Anyone trying to spin that as a correct no-call is blind. It's got to be called. Nothing aggravates me more as a defender than attacking players running offside, drawing defenders, stepping over passes clearly intended for them, yet somehow determined to be out of the play?

Still a calm finish, and the Spanish defenders shouldn't have given up on the play. But that's offside.

Posted by: DEFPOTEC1 | August 12, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

Don't care what the rules say. I would have called offsides.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 12, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Excited announcer. Too bad the USA doesn't have anything like it.
Posted by: fischy
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And an opera singer to boot. The Barber os Seville, isn't it?

"Chicharo. Chicharo. Chicharo. Chicharo. Chicharo."

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 12, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I was a career defender, and that's NOT offside.

The "distraction" clause applies toward situations where a player in an offside position, while not touching the ball, draws the goalkeeper or last defender out of position, thus interfering with the play. That did not happen, and the scorer ran onto the ball from a clearly onside position.

The Mexico goal was not offside by ANY interpretation of the current rule. 15 years ago, before the rule was changed, any player in an offside position would draw a flag when the pass went through. But not today, no way. Call that offside, and that's the last senior international call you make.

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Posted by: 9Nine9 | August 12, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm with 9Nine9. If it's Mexico, they either offside, fouling, delaying, or simulating.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | August 12, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

DEFPOTEC1: What "stepover" are you referring to? The replay shot from around the top of the 18 shows -- the one where they frame-step forward and backward over kick -- quite clearly that ball passed entirely behind Vela. He didn't step over, he didn't dummy. The ball went behind him.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | August 12, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

I guess there's no vuvuzela ban at Azteca.

Posted by: PeteO1 | August 12, 2010 12:29 PM | Report abuse

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