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D.C. United trades Talley to Red Bulls for pick

D.C. United has traded defender Carey Talley to the New York Red Bulls for a future MLS second-round draft pick. Details to come. Talley, acquired early this year after being released by Chivas USA, made 15 appearances, 13 starts and served as captain several times. At age 34, he began his career with United in 1998 and has also played for Kansas City, Dallas and Real Salt Lake.

By Steve Goff  |  September 15, 2010; 6:21 PM ET
Categories:  D.C. United , MLS  | Tags: D.C. United  
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The big question: what *year* is the pick?

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 15, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

This I also like.

Posted by: DCB23 | September 15, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

Positive outcome for a change.....love it

Posted by: marksman37 | September 15, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

I think this trade along with the Junior signing are good moves. Talley made 100k this season, and I think Graye is a better option regardless of his 40k salary.

Posted by: invncbl | September 15, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

How will we ever make it to the 2010 playoffs now without the skilled services of Carey Talley?

Posted by: Poopy_McPoop | September 15, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

First, it gives Talley a chance to probably go out on a playoff team (man, that sticks in my throat--playoff team in reference to NYRB in a year we're in the cellar--ugh!). Like Carey or not, he's been a good soldier, gives his best and to give him a chance to go out in the playoffs in what might be his last year in MLS (though expansion might give him another year), that's a positive.


Second, there is a reason why Kasper said they were hoping to hold off signing Junior until next year. Two expansion teams. Even a team as bad as we are is likely to lose at least one player. Do the math. Junior will likely be exposed and as a young, probably cheap player with offensive skill he's a prime candidate to take in the expansion draft. So we may have just signed Junior for the reminder of the season as an audition for Portland and Vancouver.

Third, we got a draft pick. Now, given where NYRB will likely be drafting plus add in the two expansion teams, a late second rounder is like getting a third rounder a couple of years ago so I'm not ready to start a parade. But we got something for the future--and that's good.

Posted by: JoeW1 | September 15, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Hats off to Talley, who's a class act, but this was a good move.

Posted by: kdiff813 | September 15, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

JoeW: The argument that you wait on signing Junior til next season to avoid losing him in the expansion draft has never made sense to me.

Yes, signing him now means he'll likely be unprotected when the expansion draft rolls around, so Portland or Vancouver could pick him up.

OTOH, not signing him now means *every single team in the league plus Portland and Vancouver* can negotiate directly with him and try to sign him, any time between now and when we would have preferred to sign him, without waiting for the expansion draft.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 15, 2010 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Could we also trade our training staff to NY for a bag of flaming dog feces?

It would ensure that NY will lose half their roster to a very attractive German hernia doctor (no wonder Simms wants to go back) and the other half to injuries related to not stretching before the game.

It would be interesting to see what DC could accomplish if they had more than 13 players available for each game and at least 8 normal starters.

Posted by: Southeasterner | September 15, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Well done. Vamos United.

Posted by: Ivanovich84 | September 15, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Vamos, Vamos United!

Posted by: Curious99 | September 15, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

And then, as questionable as he came, he was gone.

Posted by: UnitedDemon | September 15, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I wish the kickoff times of the CCL games tonight had been opposite... Just can't stay up that late most nights.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | September 15, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

This is a positive development. Talley's a nice guy and all, but would not GET us to the playoffs.

Great point by JoeW regarding Junior. This expansion draft is somewhat worrisome.

I want an update on if Chang is bringing in more investors. That's what we really need. Seeing what Red Bull is doing just makes that even more glaring.

Posted by: SeanWG | September 15, 2010 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone recall what we gave up to get Talley from Chivas?

Posted by: dsheon1 | September 15, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone recall what we gave up to get Talley from Chivas?

Posted by: dsheon1 | September 15, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute - is it a given that Junior would be exposed in the expansion draft? If each team can protect 11 players (as in years past), who does United keep?

1. Chris Pontius
2. Rodney Wallace
3. Clyde Simms
4. Julius James
5. Dejan Jackovic
6. Santino Quaranta
7. Jordan Graye
8. Jed Zayner
9.
10.
11.

Homegrown players need not be protected as they are ineligible for the expansion draft - so Najar, Hamid, and Shanosky are all set. So, that leaves the following:

Danny Allsopp - too expensive to be drafted
Brandon Barklage - torn both ACLs in past two years
Bronko Boskovic - a no-name DP that hasn't exactly wowed
Marc Burch - injury risk, no right foot
Adam Cristman - nothing special
Pablo Hernandez - young and FO and Benny seem to like him
Stephen King - relatively young, hardworking, reasonably skilled
Junior - young, skilled, but takes up a Senior Int'l roster spot
Devon McTavish - versatile, decent, but nothing special
Jaime Moreno - we already know he isn't coming back to United
Kurt Morsink - Blecch
Juan Manuel Pena - old and washed up
Troy Perkins - an expensive slumping GK
Barry Rice - seems easily replaceable
Carlos Varela - ???

Does Junior make it into one of those final three slots? Seems possible to me...

Posted by: combedge | September 15, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Why would NY want him? To carry Henry's bags?

Posted by: Hoost | September 15, 2010 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Morsink is better than you may think. At times, much better.

Posted by: b18bolo | September 15, 2010 10:17 PM | Report abuse

As much as I like the new haircut, I'm happy to see Talley move up north. I appreciate what he tried to do here, but last season should've been his last in MLS.

Posted by: DrBeaker | September 15, 2010 10:42 PM | Report abuse

What combedge said. Kicks off the "housecleaning" discussion we'll have for the next 6 months.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | September 15, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

@combedge,

In the past, DPs have had to be protected. I'm assuming that doesn't change. But I'm not at all convinced Zayner is a lock to protect. If you got the rest right, I'd see it as Zayner, Junior, King and Burch for three slots. Varela too if he plays well. Maybe Hernandez, but he hasn't produced enough to get drafted at his salary.

Posted by: benonthehill | September 15, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

There's no real reason to believe Junior is more likely than anyone else to be left exposed.

Even looking at the list above, I think Wallace is a much more likely candidate to get shipped.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 15, 2010 10:51 PM | Report abuse

As JoeW points out, NYRB's picks are likely to be late choices for the next few years. I'd rather have the pick DCU shipped to Seattle for King, but that's spilled milk. I'm glad DCU was able to get some value for Talley. Hope he goes out on a good note.

As for signing Junior and expansion worries. I think there is virtually no chance that an expansion team will select an 18 year old who may not even see any MLS action. They'll have no scouting report on him. Frankly, I'd be stunned if DCU loses anyone in the expansion draft. This is a bad team, and there are few players even DCU will be thrilled about putting on the protect list.

I'm already putting into the preparations my brilliant plan to kidnap the new mayor and hold him for ransom --- the commitment to build a new stadium in the District.
Be champions!

Posted by: fischy | September 15, 2010 11:56 PM | Report abuse

And *again*, why in the world would anyone think it makes sense to delay signing someone to avoid them getting selected in the expansion draft? If you delay signing them, then that means that *anyone* else can sign them right away, without having to wait for an expansion draft.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 16, 2010 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Christopher, I think what most people are driving at is a behind the scenes deal that while isn't official would have Jr signed after the expansion draft. Backroom handshake kind of stuff.

Also, I thought DPs only had to be protected if they had no trade clauses, not just because they were DPs.

Posted by: BlackAndRed337 | September 16, 2010 7:24 AM | Report abuse

What's Grey's position on a new stadium, Poplar Point, etc?

Posted by: mightymax | September 16, 2010 7:40 AM | Report abuse

What's Grey's position on a new stadium, Poplar Point, etc?
Posted by: mightymax
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Grey is now running for RE-ELECTION. The last thing he will try do is try to build a lowly SOCCER stadium.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 16, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 16, 2010 12:33 AM |

And *again*, why in the world would anyone think it makes sense to delay signing someone to avoid them getting selected in the expansion draft? If you delay signing them, then that means that *anyone* else can sign them right away, without having to wait for an expansion draft.

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If Junior has decided he only wants to pay for DC, holding off ensures he ends up with DC. Junior may have decided he has no interest in other teams, so there is no risk of losing him to the rest of the league. Signing him now means they could lose him if one of the expansion teams is interested but knows they couldn't get him on their own.

I don't know if that hypothetical is true, but it's a possibility.

Posted by: neil_g | September 16, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Grey is now running for RE-ELECTION. The last thing he will try do is try to build a lowly SOCCER stadium.

Posted by: 9Nine9 | September 16, 2010 7:57 AM | Report abuse
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Well, he's running for re-election with a base in Wards 7 & 8. Part of their beef with Fenty was that NW gets all the bennies. He'll want something tangible below the Anacostia to show those voters why they voted for him.

Posted by: stancollins | September 16, 2010 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Why would you protect Tino? If you say potential, then this season is your fault.

Posted by: Ivanovich84 | September 16, 2010 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Bringing in Talley was just another mistake by Onalfo. Why he was ever the captain is beyond me. Looking ahead, there are a lot of hard decisions to be made before next year.

Posted by: patrick18 | September 16, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

"At age 34, he began his career with United in 1998..."

Wow, so he's 46 now? That's impressive.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 16, 2010 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Prime contractor: Knucklehead Construction!

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 16, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

The stands will bounce just like at RFK... when the stadium is empty.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 16, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

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