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Video/poll: Thierry Henry incident vs. FC Dallas

Thanks to our friends at the Kansas City Wizards' blog, we now have video of New York Red Bulls star Thierry Henry, no stranger to controversy, attempting to smash a dead ball into the net at the same time FC Dallas goalkeeper Kevin Hartman is preparing to strike it forward for the restart. Watch the clip, listen to the commentary, vote in our poll:

By Steve Goff  |  September 17, 2010; 12:24 PM ET
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The initial reports were that Hartman got MCL damage, with further evaluation today. If that turns out to be true, it's hard to see how this won't be career-ending, given how hard it was for him to find a job this *last* offseason.

It's a dead ball. What was Henry trying to do, anyway? Delay the restart by kicking the ball into the stands? He didn't get a second yellow because he's Henry.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 17, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

For me, intent is an important element in a situation like this. I don't believe Henry -- with whom I am still mad for his hand ball against my Irish brethren -- intended to cause injury. Dumb, yes. But not worthy of a match ban.

I'm glad to see Henry is passionate about his team's performance.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | September 17, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

. . .which is also why he won't be suspended. He's the latest big splash acquisition. He could decapitate someone and the League wouldn't suspend him.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | September 17, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I highly doubt, if torn, that this would be a career-ending injury for Hartman. He's been the hottest goalie in the league and certainly the MVP of FC Dallas. If Dario Sala needs to play for an extended length of time, FCD will be in trouble.

Posted by: sdb11281usa | September 17, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Dead ball, yellow card to Henry, no suspension. It isn't red--violent conduct (dead ball). Just a dumb show-off thing, yellow. Was Henry already carrying a yellow? Then he gets sent off, but for the second yellow not a red for the incident itself.

Posted by: macheath | September 17, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I agree with what is said above about intent.

Henry was just sort of being a punk trying to kick it out to waste time (from the video thats how I take it), but he didnt intend on hurting hartman, it was a freak accident, which I still fail to see how he got hurt. Did he make contact with his foot??

Either way, he shouldnt get suspended, if anything the Ref in game maybe should have given him a yellow. To give him something after the game is not fair.

Posted by: BolivianDCFan | September 17, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

I really hate it when officials punish the injury-not the play. As much as I hate Henry, I don't think that he should be punished. He was being a bit stupid and excitable- maybe a yellow for time-wasting- but if Hartman hadn't gone down injured, no one would be talking about this right now. If the MLS is going to look at this, they need to be able to take Hartman out of the equation and look only at the offense itself.

Posted by: revsfanindc | September 17, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Multiple games. Unless you think that if Carlos Ruiz did the same thing he would only get one game. I can't believe someone on Dallas didn't crack Henry square on the nose.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 17, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Ha Ha. Steve wrote "Thierry Henry" and "strike" in the same sentence.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 17, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me that thinks it looks like Hartman got hurt throwing himself to the ground?

Henry certainly had a kick, and I voted to suspend for a game, just for fun, but it appears the damage came when he dramatically hurled himself to the ground....

Posted by: JkR- | September 17, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

You fail to see how he got hurt?

Extend your foot off the ground and let a professional soccer player take a full swipe at it at that angle. That force that can send a ball 80+ yards in the air is now applied to your foot, pivoting your lower leg against the fulcrum that is your knee, held together only by your ACL and MCL.

It is violent conduct. Just because it isn't in the run of play, or done in anger, doesn't mean it's not a straight red card offense worthy of a ban. In some ways it's worse, because there is absolutely no reasonable purpose behind it, which was why Hartman was caught completely unaware.

Posted by: OWNTF | September 17, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

French A-hole

Posted by: blanknerc | September 17, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal? It looked like a typical DC United shot, only closer.

Suspension? No. A fine, sure. There was ZERO intent to hurt him (just a total fluke).

Posted by: Hoost | September 17, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Yellow for sure, suspension no way. One of the most fluke injuries ever.
Sad for Hartman but if this is the end, he'll be able to tell his grandkids that Henry gave him a career ending injury, which should at least get them to ask "who the hell was he?"

Posted by: dsheon1 | September 17, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Henry obviously saw Hartman approaching the ball. Why would he continue kicking it when an opposing player was going for it? Whether or not he intended to hurt Hartman, he should have stopped as soon as he saw a player from the opposing team coming for the ball.

It was reckless and deserved whatever punishment is appropriate for randomly kicking a player that hard. I'd say that's a red card clearly.

Posted by: saltydog75 | September 17, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

even if he wasn't intending to hurt Hartman(which he wasnt), his action to knock the ball away after some amount of time had already passed by from the goal scoring still is a delay of game, which should have warranted a yellow card. Dumb things can lead to freaky injuries, Henry is full of himself...Heck give him one game.

Posted by: godpere | September 17, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

even if he wasn't intending to hurt Hartman(which he wasnt), his action to knock the ball away after some amount of time had already passed by from the goal scoring still is a delay of game, which should have warranted a yellow card. Dumb things can lead to freaky injuries, Henry is full of himself...Heck give him one game.

Posted by: godpere | September 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

even if he wasn't intending to hurt Hartman(which he wasnt), his action to knock the ball away after some amount of time had already passed by from the goal scoring still is a delay of game, which should have warranted a yellow card. Dumb things can lead to freaky injuries, Henry is full of himself...Heck give him one game.

Posted by: godpere | September 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

even if he wasn't intending to hurt Hartman(which he wasnt), his action to knock the ball away after some amount of time had already passed by from the goal scoring still is a delay of game, which should have warranted a yellow card. Dumb things can lead to freaky injuries, Henry is full of himself...Heck give him one game.

Posted by: godpere | September 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

even if he wasn't intending to hurt Hartman(which he wasnt), his action to knock the ball away after some amount of time had already passed by from the goal scoring still is a delay of game, which should have warranted a yellow card. Dumb things can lead to freaky injuries, Henry is full of himself...Heck give him one game.

Posted by: godpere | September 17, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Henri: "Gosh officer, I only meant to scare the clerk so he'd give me the money. I didn't intend to shoot him!"

MLS: "Well, that's okay then. As long as you didn't really mean to hurt him, we'll just charge you with attempted robbery."

Posted by: Diane23 | September 17, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Make the Red Bulls schedule a friendly in Ireland.

Posted by: Rhio | September 17, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Clear yellow card for delay. If that would've been his second then a single game suspension is reasonable. I'd fine him about whatever Hartman's salary amounts to during the time he's out injured.

Oh, and a suspension/fine for the ref who didn't card Henry.

Posted by: benonthehill | September 17, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree with a yellow for delay, although if no one had gotten hurt, I doubt anything would have been given. Especially since nothing was given when it actually happened.

Posted by: jake77 | September 17, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

This wouldn't have happened if Henry knocked the ball in with his hand.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | September 17, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

shame on the official for not giving Henry a yellow for at a minimum, time wasting. it happened directly in front of him, so there is no excuse. just another example in a long line of preferential calls/noncalls in favor of DPs. you can bet that if it was the other way around, and Hartman struck Henry, he'd have seen a straight red with a multiple match ban.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 17, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Well, according to this, Hartman lives for seeing things that he's never seen before in soccer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5rscIFSMzY&feature=rec-LGOUT-exp_stronger_r2-2r-1-HM

Posted by: dsheon1 | September 17, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse


Henri: "Gosh officer, I only meant to scare the clerk so he'd give me the money. I didn't intend to shoot him!"

MLS: "Well, that's okay then. As long as you didn't really mean to hurt him, we'll just charge you with attempted robbery."

Posted by: Diane23 | September 17, 2010 2:07 PM
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Huh?

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | September 17, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

How can they suspend Henry when the ref was clearly looking at the incident and chose not to? Can the ref claim he didn't see it?

At worst a small fine. I agree JkR- that it is difficult to tell if Hartman got hurt from the kick or from his choice to jump up and land on both knees, which couldn't have helped. So how can the league determine if Henry was the cause or if the diving behavior was the cause?

Posted by: prokaryote | September 17, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Did the ball actually hit the goalie or was I seeing something else? Oh yeah, check out how Henry doesn't go over to make sure that the goalie was ok.

Posted by: PublicEnemy1 | September 17, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

At worst a small fine.

Posted by: prokaryote | September 17, 2010 3:32 PM |

you must be new to MLS. a "large" fine is around $800.

Posted by: VTUnited | September 17, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why Henry would do that, but it also looks like Hartman took a dive to draw the referee's attention to the infraction. It looks to me like Hartman injured himself in the process. Wouldn't be the first time someone's injured himself trying to draw a foul or get an opponent carded.

Posted by: Brokenbil | September 17, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I gave Henry some slack on the intentional hand ball, but now I think he is a dangerous jackal. He looks all nice and friendly but here he acted like a violent out of control fool.

Posted by: GeneWells | September 17, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Henry should be forced to eat snails and smelly cheeses.

Wait, that might not bother him. Force his teammates to eat snails and smelly cheeses while Henry stands in the corner and watches them.

Hopefully Hartman will be OK. MCL strains are pretty common and can vary from minor strains to full blown tears (which might be career threatening).

Now that Ralston has retired, Hartman may be the most veteran player in MLS as far as games and minutes played. So he isn't too fragile.

If the ref didn't card Henry when the incident happened it's hard justifying more than a perfunctory fine upon review.

Posted by: Joel_M_Lane | September 17, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

At the very least attempting to delay the restart of play (second yellow, ejection, one-game suspension). I think a case could be made for straight sending off as violent conduct. There's no foul, as the play was dead, but Henry was reckless and careless and used excessive force. "Didn't mean to hurt him"? So what? The measure is not intention but whether you're showing showing any care or concern for other players, and he clearly wasn't.

Posted by: janspoor | September 17, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Kevin Hartman should have gotten at least a yellow card for getting in the way of Henri's celebration!

Posted by: alan19 | September 17, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Since he had absolutely NO reason to do what he did, he certainly deserves some sanction. Look how far he has to go to get to the ball to prevent Hartman from kicking it. The referee (whoever it was) should be removed from MLS for the rest of the season for failing to act.

Posted by: fedssocr | September 17, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

macheath, desheon,

If you are arguing for a yellow card, which I agree with, I don't get the objection to a one-game suspension, since it would have been his SECOND YELLOW.

In the run of play, it's an automatic yellow, so that is entirely appropriate here, and once you've made that call, a one-game suspension is obligatory.

But it ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | September 18, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

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