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Posted at 10:44 AM ET, 12/ 2/2010

USA falls short in bid to host 2022 World Cup, losing to Qatar; Russia beats England for 2018 event

By Steve Goff

The United States' big dreams of hosting the 2022 World Cup were shattered by one of the planet's smallest nations.

In a historic vote Thursday in Zurich, FIFA awarded the hosting rights to Qatar, a Middle Eastern country smaller than Connecticut that wowed the sport's international governing body with innovative stadium plans, massive financial resources and the promise of promoting harmony in a region that has never staged the World Cup.

Australia, Japan and South Korea were the other finalists.

The United States was hoping to host the world's most popular competition for the first time since 1994, when it set attendance records and helped popularize a sport that, until that summer, had only a niche following.

"There's no way around it: I am disappointed," U.S. Soccer Federation President Sunil Gulati said. "Millions of U.S. soccer fans worked hard to bring the World Cup to our country. To come up short is very difficult to take."

After Australia, Japan and South Korea were eliminated in the first three rounds of voting by the FIFA executive committee, Qatar earned 14 votes to the United States' eight.

The vote was another jolt to U.S. efforts to host a major international sporting event following Chicago's failure last year to land the 2016 Summer Olympics.

FIFA's executive committee also awarded the 2018 World Cup to Russia, which beat out England and joint bids by Spain-Portugal and Netherlands-Belgium. It's the first time the tournament will be held in Eastern Europe. England, the birthplace of soccer's modern game, was the front-runner for years but lost ground in recent months and was eliminated in the first round of voting Thursday with just two votes. Russia clinched a clear majority in the second round by receiving 13 votes, six more than Spain.

The next World Cup, in 2014, is scheduled to take place in Brazil.

The voting results were not a complete surprise. FIFA President Sepp Blatter has urged soccer to continue broadening its appeal by taking its premier event to new frontiers. In addition to the U.S. experience in 1994, the World Cup ventured to Asia (Japan/South Korea) and Africa (South Africa) for the first time in 2002 and 2010, respectively.

Click here for the complete voting results.

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By Steve Goff  | December 2, 2010; 10:44 AM ET
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Comments

FIFA hates freedom.

Posted by: OWNTF | December 2, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

FIFA blew it

Posted by: zzlive4soccerzz | December 2, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I say we and England pull out of the corrupt FIFA and stage our own competitions in 2018 and 2022.

Posted by: MBBeachbum | December 2, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Russia and Qatar, the two bidders with the highest risk levels in 2018 and 2022 respectively, win the rights to host. Of course, FIFA never has to explain itself.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 2, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Money talks...........What do you need in Qatar SPF 500?

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 2, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Russia and Qatar, the two bidders with the highest risk levels in 2018 and 2022 respectively, win the rights to host. Of course, FIFA never has to explain itself.

Posted by: I-270Exit1 | December 2, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Can we wake up now? We want to host an Olympics or a World Cup? Forget the celebrities, forget the splashy videos, but bring the Presidents - the one's with pictures on our currency!

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

i applaud the decision.

2 new host countries.

Posted by: castroviejo | December 2, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Oil wins.

FIFA just proved that they are more concerned with stuffing their pockets now (while they are still in power) than they are with the long term success of their organization.

Not choosing England, shunning both the US and Australia? Now that's just inexcusable.

Posted by: UnitedDemon1 | December 2, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Coppertone stock up 500%.

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

welcome everyone to the 21st century

Posted by: rightback | December 2, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The 2022 decision is disappointing, but England not getting 2018 is inexplicable.

Posted by: VamosUnited1 | December 2, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I can kind of understand Russia beating out England but Qatar is absolute proof that FIFA cares only about stuffing their pockets at the executive level. Shame on them and I hope Qatar goes bankrupt in a few years so they cannot host. Bribery should not be rewarded like this.

Posted by: rademaar | December 2, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Russia. Ok, I can handle that. But Qatar? The Aussies are the ones who really got hosed. At least we had it once. Huge setback for USA. The Goffer to provide full quotes after Sunil gets back from the restroom from throwing up. The lone positive - USSF can now focus much more on the game at home.

Posted by: postgolb | December 2, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Cheer up, everybody!! It's not like any of this matters, anyway . . .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon

Posted by: GreenbeltUnited | December 2, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

We should have had Chuck Norris involved in the bid...who says no to Chuck Norris?

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Obviously I'm disappointed in the 2022 decision but I have sincere doubts about Qatar's ability to host a World Cup. It's about more than just stadiums. Others may go but I have zero interest in going to that World Cup and I suspect I am not alone. There is a lot of down time in World Cups. What does one do in a small country with little or nothing to see and an average temperature of 115 degrees outside. Further, even if they can get supporters to attend in sufficient numbers what about the hotels. Would the hotels built be viable afterwards and if not do they break them down and transport them to other countries as well?

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 2, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Qatari soccer... now known for more than just this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQLylizGmDs

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I just bet $2 on a Venezuela-Cuba joint bid for 2026. You laugh now . . .

Posted by: benonthehill | December 2, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

what a disgrace. Promoting Middle Eastern unity is a canard; to believe it is to assume that wars and rivalries have persisted for centuries only because there was no soccer tournament.

Growing the sport means expanding its presence in new markets: USA in 2022 and China in 2026. Now China is excluded because FIFA won't put the cup in Asia twice in a row. Such long-term considerations yielded to a more immediate concern: members of the FIFA selection committee could use a little more walking-around money.

Posted by: hungrypug | December 2, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'd say England is a lock for 2030

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

I am glad it is not in dead of winter for Russia. The mid-east has extremely high summer temperatures. Are they going to have enclosed stadiums where they can regulate the cold air? If not, the players are going to drop like flies.

Posted by: VirginiaFan | December 2, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Good for Russia I guess, really should have gone to Englan. As for the Qatar pick I am really just baffled.

Posted by: Dlewis6 | December 2, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Looks like I'm going to have to get to Brasil in 2014 .. .

As I have little interest in traveling to Russia and absolutely none for Qatar.

Posted by: delantero | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Ok, who here has ever been to Qatar??
I've been there, it's one big dump.
It gets so hot during the summer that the airport is only open at night, the airplanes engines will overheat sitting on the ground.
Oh, the only alcohol is served in the international hotels, which there are only a couple.

What ever happend to a continent not hosting back-to-back Cups? Both Russia and Qatar are in Asia.

Posted by: o35_still_kicking | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Of course the team could improve in the next 10 years - but if people were upset that South Africa got an automatic bid as hosts, wonder what the reaction will be when Qatar's automatic status gets them in

Posted by: emanon13 | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

hey if FIFA follows their continental "rotation" policy then China should be out for 2026. Somehow, I think they'll be able to make an exception.

Posted by: rightback | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Props to FIFA for putting the 2022 world cup in the most politically unstable region in the world. Qatar winning the bid over the US makes me feel even better about biking to work.

Posted by: me_ahogo | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

FIFA hates freedom.

Posted by: OWNTF | December 2, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

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They certainly seem to hate freedom of the press.

Posted by: stancollins | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Excellent point about Australia and China; as members of the Asian federation, they are now looking at looooong waits....

And rockotodd has been spot on with each pithy observation....

Posted by: JkR- | December 2, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Russia, that's fine, but Qatar, a country smaller than Connecticut? are people supposed to bid for hotels? or better yet, stay in Saudi Arabia?

Posted by: cervecero03 | December 2, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Qatar doesn't even have the stadiums. WTF is up with FIFA. I put money that some sort of corruption scandal will present itself. Also does anyone know the average temperature in Qatar that summer.

Posted by: no_recess | December 2, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

its hard for me to ever care about this because it's freaking twelve years away. we're going to be playing robo-soccer on the moon against arsenic based alien life forms by then, probably.

Posted by: stairs | December 2, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yea, freedom. I think Qatar will be the first dictatorship to host a cup since Mussolini's Italy. So that's kind of unfortunate. I really don't know how today's decision will help non-Royal Qataris.

Posted by: patrickneil | December 2, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Beckham confirms that England were knocked out in the first round of voting

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Russia and Qatar did not receive the top marks from the technical reports for either year, they weren't second either. Putin felt no reason to go to the bid presentation, but is rumored to be on his way now. Al-Jazeera reported Qatar had won 45 minutes before the announcement.

But really, nothing to see here people, move along.....

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for a WC in the Middle East/North Africa, but they should have waited until a better candidate came along. Haven't countries such as Egypt and Morocco submitted bids in the past? And I still wonder about giving an automatic bid to a national team that is decidedly weaker than the USA in '94, Japan in '02, or South Africa this year. Or do they have a high-tech plan to turn that around, too?

To repeat something I posted in the last thread, I would not be surprised if future events force FIFA to revisit this decision, as happened in the case of Colombia in '86.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Maybe now Qatar can finally afford that "u" they've been saving up for...

Posted by: rjs1322 | December 2, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

We got hosed

Posted by: GeneWells | December 2, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I think the US gets the 2026 bid and England or China gets the 2030.

035 kicking-Russia is considered to be a European country. I know it doesn't make sense geographically but it is what it is.

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 2, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

O'Doul's will be the official beer of the 2022 World Cup... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition#Middle_East.2C_North_Africa.2C_and_Central_Asia

Posted by: Gooner | December 2, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Maybe now Qatar can finally afford that -u- they've been saving up for...

Posted by: rjs1322 | December 2, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

The Aussies are the ones who really got hosed.

Posted by: postgolb | December 2, 2010 11:00 AM

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True dat. It will be another 24 years before FIFA goes back to Asia. USA or Mexico in 2026, England or Spain/Portugal in 2030, Africa in 2034, South America in 2038, and back to Europe in 2042.

As for the heat in Qatar, average summer temperatures in the USA will probably reach 110 degrees by 2026.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I think the US gets the 2026 bid and England or China gets the 2030.

035 kicking-Russia is considered to be a European country. I know it doesn't make sense geographically but it is what it is.

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 2, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Thats the last time I get dressed before 10am..what a disappointment

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Wow ... given the obvious flaws of FIFA's corruptible system and Blatter at the helm ... Shouldn't we be shining the spotlight on the failure of USSF's Sunil Gulati's leadership on the US bid, too!?!!!
This just adds to the dim prospects for growing success of US Soccer.

Posted by: dayface | December 2, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Again, good luck getting those stadiums to their final destinations post 2022.

But I'll hope like heck now that the USMNT gets a spot in Group A in 2022. A certain 3 points and no competition on goal differential either.

However, I'm sure we'll see Zidane's kids and every U-17 Golden Boot winner be offered cash for dual Qatari citizenship...

Posted by: VirginiaBlueBlood | December 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

When the US got the right to host the 94' World Cup we were a backwater of World Soccer.

"FIFA's decision to hold the event in the United States over the bids of Morocco and Brazil surprised many, due to the common perception that the United States had a relative lack of soccer fans. FIFA hoped that by staging the world's most prestigious football tournament there, it would lead to a growth of interest in the sport"

Posted by: csd1 | December 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

What ever happend to a continent not hosting back-to-back Cups? Both Russia and Qatar are in Asia.

Posted by: o35_still_kicking | December 2, 2010 11:11 AM
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What counts is regional affiliation. Russia is a member of UEFA.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Can you imagine the cost for the security needed? They are going to have to guard the stadium 24/7 since infidels will be playing there.

Posted by: shewholives | December 2, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I know it's really early, but typically where would one go to find out information about traveling to/planning to travel to a World Cup. Thinking about Russia 2018 but don't know where to even start.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | December 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

maybe FIFA is counting on petro / carbon-based global climate change to turn Qatar into a Spanish-esque climate by 2022

Posted by: rightback | December 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

why is Jack Warner smiling?? oh right, the new condo in Qatar he was just given.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

It was those ugly NFL stadiums in my opinion. The Qatar stadium looks way to magical to pass up than FedEx field.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

csd1: Nobody lives in Qatar. Holding the world cup in Qatar is akin to awarding it to a joint Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill bid, population wise.

Posted by: me_ahogo | December 2, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

sportsguy33 Qatar needs to thank its special consultant for the 2022 WC bid: Cam Newton's father.
29 minutes ago

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | December 2, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

The World Cup is the most watched sports event in the world? Wow! Must be something to this World Cup stuff. I might watch this time. Is it soccer or Hockey?

Posted by: stevenlemon | December 2, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

is no one going to blame the two people that are most at fault??
Jeff Bradley and Kevin Payne should be fired for this loss. And possibly also Ricardo Clark.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

hateisnot said, re Qatar: "Others may go but I have zero interest . . . and I suspect I am not alone. . . . What does one do in a small country with little or nothing to see and an average temperature of 115 degrees outside. Further, even if they can get supporters to attend in sufficient numbers what about the hotels."

Fewer people will want to go, so they won't need the hotels. It's a win-win, an elegant yin-yang thing.

Posted by: fallschurch1 | December 2, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Qatar must have bribed the entire selection committee, because as others have noted it is extremely hot there in the summer and inhospitable in general to Western tourists. It also so hot that all the games will have to be played at night or in domed stadiums that have yet to be built. Otherwise FIFA will have to change the substitution rules or prepare for a lot of bad, boring soccer because teams will start playing keep away with a 1-0 lead due to concerns about heat related fatigue. FIFA obviously didn't notice that the U.S. sent more fans to South Africa than any other country. They can forget about that when it comes to Qatar. If anyone had any doubts about FIFA's utter stupidity and arrogance, this should seal it. Despite its obvious flaws, at least Russia fields a good team and has existing facilities capable of hosting such a large scale event.

Posted by: orangeskin | December 2, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Surprise, Surprise...NOT

Posted by: Straightline | December 2, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

The combination of Russia and Qatar serves as proof of FIFA's corruption. A number of better qualified bids were unjustly spurned. Russia can probably host a quality event, and I wish them luck. But they will be playing to empty and sterile stadiums in Qatar, and I hope that all of the other qualified bidders' supporters boycott the event. I know I will if I'm still around.

Posted by: Section304 | December 2, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

It was those ugly NFL stadiums in my opinion. The Qatar stadium looks way to magical to pass up than FedEx field.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:22 AM

This is an interesting thought - perhaps we just didn't show enough innovation in our bid.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for a WC in the Middle East/North Africa, but they should have waited until a better candidate came along. Haven't countries such as Egypt and Morocco submitted bids in the past? And I still wonder about giving an automatic bid to a national team that is decidedly weaker than the USA in '94, Japan in '02, or South Africa this year. Or do they have a high-tech plan to turn that around, too?

To repeat something I posted in the last thread, I would not be surprised if future events force FIFA to revisit this decision, as happened in the case of Colombia in '86.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:16 AM

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I'd be very surprised if future events force them to revisit this choice. Neither of these countries is an economic basket-case like Colombia. Russia and Qatar are swimming in money. They'll get this done.

Egypt and Morocco are certainly more attractive tourist destinations than Qatar, but the countries are desperately poor and cannot afford to build all those air-conditioned stadia. From a competition standpoint, the Qatar bid is more realistic. As for the Qatari team itself -- they won't need a taeh solution when they can import a bunch of Brazilian teenagers....

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

This just adds to the dim prospects for growing success of US Soccer.
Posted by: dayface

The future of soccer in the US is not dependent on a 30 day event in 12 years from now. What exactly was going to change with the the future of US soccer if we got the World Cup? We already have a domestic league, big stadiums. Was the high speed rail system between two stadiums going to make us more of a soccer nation?

Posted by: csd1 | December 2, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I might watch this time. Is it soccer or Hockey?

Posted by: stevenlemon | December 2, 2010 11:24 AM

Here come the home page link loonies

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

csd1: Nobody lives in Qatar. Holding the world cup in Qatar is akin to awarding it to a joint Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill bid, population wise.

Posted by: me_ahogo

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hey, that's where I live! I can't wait to go see Germany / Argentina at Cameron Indoor

Posted by: rightback | December 2, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm as disappointed as everyone else is, but let's not just rashly assume that corruption is the reason for the WC bid decisions. FIFA, and Blatter especially, have always emphasized bringing the game to new places. For better or worse, Russia and Qatar do that. Qatar is not just the first ME state to host the Cup, it will be the first predominantly ME state to do so. USA's biggest problem is that we just had the Cup not so long ago. It was hard to make the case that a second Cup would revolutionize the game here when we already had a Cup -- which was successful, but did not make soccer America's pasttime. It was always a stretch to say a second Cup would do the trick.

And, in all honesty, if FIFA was all about the money, USA would have won going away. Who do you think global multinational companies are more interested in sponsoring a WC in -- America or Qatar? FIFA just lost a lot of endorsement dollars for 2022, not to mention US television revenues ...

Posted by: jofij | December 2, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Sunil Gulati: OUT!

Jack Warner: OUT!

Chuck Blazer: OUT!

The people in charge of US Soccer and CONCACAF have failed us big time. How can the nation that BOUGHT THE MOST TICKETS to SA2010 and held the MOST SUCCESSFUL WORLD CUP EVER in USA94 not be awarded another World Cup? Soccer fans in the USA need to put the money and muscle that they have shown in supporting these ventures into demanding accountability from our supposed leaders. This means we should demand a cleanup of the corruption that pervades the CONCACAF offices and FIFA at the highest levels.

Thx,

Jay!

Posted by: jayrockers | December 2, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

from wiki: "Qatar has the highest per-capita carbon dioxide emissions, at 55.5 metric tons per person in 2005.[21] This is almost double the next highest per-capita emitting country, which is Kuwait at 30.7 metric tons (2005) and they are three times those of the United States. Qatar had the highest per-capita carbon dioxide emissions for the past 18 years. These emissions are largely due to high rates of energy use in Qatar. Major uses of energy in Qatar include air conditioning, natural gas processing, water desalination and electricity production."

im sure 12 shiny new stadiums and several hundred thousand visitors will help this statistic greatly. great environmental message today Sepp!

Posted by: VTUnited | December 2, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

"Presenters also promised to overcome summer heat of up to 130 degrees by air conditioning outdoor stadiums it will build, then dismantle and give to needy nations."

--yeah because what needy nations need most are 40k+ seat stadiums

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I meant to say, "predominant Muslim state"

Posted by: jofij | December 2, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

So since Gulati been USSF president he has 1. not hired a different coach for the MNT and 2. got beat out for the the 2022 WC by a nation that has never qualified for the WC.
I know we can't put all the blame on him, but he is the CEO. What, exactly have we gained (or has even been changed) since he's been the boss? I do give him props for trying to get more players of hispanic heritage involved with US soccer, but I think that is just common sense and anyone in his position would have done the same. Am I barking up the wrong tree here?

Posted by: SoccerFan3 | December 2, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

On the high side of the Qatar bid, is that the nation only has one city, so you will not need to change hotels and you can go to a different game each day.

Now the downside, where the heck are they going to build all the hotel rooms necessary to host the fans of the 31 visiting nations? How bad will mass transit be hosing 2 major sporting events in the same city every day for a month?

BTW, will muslim women be afforded the same educational and social opportunities as men throughout the muslim world by 2022? I ask this because one of the keys of their bid was that this would be a unifying event throughout the muslim world.

Posted by: PSURoss | December 2, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Despite its obvious flaws, at least Russia fields a good team and has existing facilities capable of hosting such a large scale event.

Posted by: orangeskin | December 2, 2010 11:25 AM
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Actually, Russia doesn't have the existing facilities. They're going to have to build stadiums across the country, and seriously upgrade the transportation network. One of the proposed sites is a small city that is 600km from Moscow and there is one daily flight there. They're going to have to upgrade airports and lay down some high-speed rail in record time. That's without even getting into the whole Moscow question -- a city that is paralyzed by traffic gridlock in normal times.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Qatar is nice and close to the gazillion citizens of India and Pakistan, but do they follow soccer much? Nice drive for Saudis and UAE folks, I guess.

Djibouti 2026!! Bermuda 2030!!!

Posted by: fallschurch1 | December 2, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

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sour grapes. Qatar plan is quite cool. Imagine being able to get to any game within an hour or so. Not coast to coast flights. If FIFA really wanted the money, they would have chosen the US, since that would have been the biggest money spinner.

Posted by: mizage
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Yeah, right. And imagine the 120 degree heat, the lack of bars and booze, insanely expensive flights and hotels...but at least there are great cultural and tourist spots to visit.

And women are supposed to be able to vote in the 2013 national elections...unless they are pushed back again by the emir (as they were in 2008 and 2010).

Sour grapes? Maybe, but that doesn't mean this isn't the worst choice for a World Cup EVER. All the of the other 2022 bid countries would have been better.

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | December 2, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

@jofij
I think the suggestion is that FIFA would make more money in the US for sure but the selection committee made more money for themselves now.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

@rightback: Want to co-chair a 2026 bid? Will cheerwine, krispy kremes and cue be an adequate bribe?

Posted by: me_ahogo | December 2, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

is no one going to blame the two people that are most at fault??
Jeff Bradley and Kevin Payne should be fired for this loss. And possibly also Ricardo Clark.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:24 AM |
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Who the heck is Jeff Bradley? He sounds like a good punching bag....

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

and for the record there is booze in Qatar you just have to go to the western hotels and spend a pretty penny

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Qatar, sour grapes. LOL. Fool. So what will people attending the WC do for the other 20 hours of the day they don't spend attending their team's game? Its 120* in the shade in Qatar in July? What about the days when they don't attend games? There is nothing to do besides sit in your air conditioned hotel or go to a shopping mall. There is nothing else.

Posted by: PSURoss | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'd be very surprised if future events force them to revisit this choice. Neither of these countries is an economic basket-case like Colombia. Russia and Qatar are swimming in money. They'll get this done.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:26 AM

Good points. This is a painful reminder of what I've thought for awhile, the World Cup is so big that these countries are transformed into 'FIFA controlled, World Cup states' for a month. Though I really doubt whether these decisions were made for noble reasons, FIFA knows they can pull off these tournaments pretty much anywhere - and the only thing that REALLY matters is TV. The Americas will get the tournament in primetime in 2014, late evening for Europe in 2018 and 2022. Not ideal time zones for China though.

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the winners.

Meanwhile, remember China '03.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

I'm happy with the decision of bringing the world's most popular sports to new frontiers. I know it is hard for Americans to understand that it is not all about money. If it was, FIFA would surely have selected the U.S. because this country would surely break all sorts of records again for FIFA with attendance and money being brought in.
Qatar will surely be the most expensive WC ever because of security and weather related issues in this part of the world. Unlike South Africa, FIFA will not have to spend money to build the stadiums as they will be built by the oil rich Qataris. Attendance will probably be an issue however, and so will ratings as the games will be on early in the morning around between 7am and 10am or so.
So FIFA is bound to lose money in the 2022 WC in Qatar. But they have proven their intentions is to continue to promote the game on all continents and they have to be commanded for that.
Now if only CONCACAF would do the same instead of Mexico and the U.S. (lately they own the monopoly) on hosting the Gold Cup every 2 years. I can think of a number of countries in the region that could use the help financially if CONCACAF had the same goal as FIFA.
Many smaller countries like Haiti-Dominican Republic, or Hait-Cuba, or Haiti-Jamaica for example could Co-host the Gold Cup if there were getting the financial support from CONCACAF to build the facilities.
To my American friends, it is not always about money but about spreading the love of the game to every corner of the world.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

This is the age of Obama. All that grovelling and self-deprecation didn't bring harmony and understanding as liberals promised, but an utter lack of respect from everyone around the world. Better think twice before you cast your vote in two years; someone who holds his or her own country in such low esteem probably isn't the best choice to run it.

Leaving that aside, I'm happy for Russia and Qatar. The more diversity, the merrier. Here in South America we weren't looking forward to a country like yours with no appreciation of soccer holding its greatest event.

Posted by: Juan__ | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The '94 WC was awarded to this country in '88. Why is six years not enough lead time for a host nation to organize a tournament? Longer lead times only increase the risk of unforeseen developments on the economic, geopolitical, or other fronts.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the winners.

Meanwhile, remember China '03.

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And now a legacy of rusting stadiums and empty buildings

Posted by: PSURoss | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The best thing that could happen for the 2022 World Cup in Qatar would be if Israel qualified and won the whole thing. For those of you who are not aware, Qatar does not recognize Israel, and does not allow individuals to enter their country with Israel stamped on their passport, as well as prohibiting the sale of alcohol,hence the reason why Arab, Middle Eastern nations should not have been allowed to host such an event until they wake up and become a modern civilized nation.

Posted by: RedskinAddict | December 2, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

This is the age of Obama. All that grovelling and self-deprecation didn't bring harmony and understanding as liberals promised, but an utter lack of respect from everyone around the world. Better think twice before you cast your vote in two years; someone who holds his or her own country in such low esteem probably isn't the best choice to run it.

Leaving that aside, I'm happy for Russia and Qatar. The more diversity, the merrier. Here in South America we weren't looking forward to a country like yours with no appreciation of soccer holding its greatest event.

Posted by: Juan__ | December 2, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Djibouti 2026!! Bermuda 2030!!!

Posted by: fallschurch1 | December 2, 2010 11:32 AM

Choosing Qatar does open up some intriguing possibilities. Qatar is almost the exact same size as Jamaica, and has a smaller population. I'd love to see a Reggae Cup in the future.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@Juan__
you just killed this thread good job jacka$$

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Actually, Russia doesn't have the existing facilities. They're going to have to build stadiums across the country, and seriously upgrade the transportation network. One of the proposed sites is a small city that is 600km from Moscow and there is one daily flight there. They're going to have to upgrade airports and lay down some high-speed rail in record time. That's without even getting into the whole Moscow question -- a city that is paralyzed by traffic gridlock in normal times.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:32 AM

Their already thriving construction bribery industry is in for an 8 year boom!

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, remember China '03.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM
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Are you suggesting biological warfare?

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

It's comforting to know the US does not have the monopoly on Morons With Opinions.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Meanwhile, remember China '03.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:37 AM
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Are you suggesting biological warfare?

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:42 AM

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No. I'm just reminding folks of the fact that the anointed host country doesn't always end up hosting, and FIFA doesn't even need a real reason.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

There's always a brightside in everything. For me, the brightside is that I'm not a midfielder in the pool to play for my country in 2022.

Posted by: CrippledKeeper | December 2, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@Juan__
you just killed this thread good job jacka$$

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM
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Huh? In what sense has this thread been killed? You owe Juan an apology.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Jean-Jak -

Host a tournament in Haiti and Cuba? Not possible becasue the governments are insanely corrupt, and that's a problem in Qatar as well. Since you want to lecture us, please explain how this will help the avergae Qatari? Will this lead to more freedom for Women? Will it benefit anyone in Qatar beyond the royal family, who have run the country like dictators for decades? Did the Qatar bid contain assurances that the country would accept the jurisdicxtion of ther International Court of Justice if need be?

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

If they have to move any, it'll be Brazil. Check the excellet report on their progress at shinguardian.

Posted by: JacobfromAtlanta-ish | December 2, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

"This is the age of Obama. All that grovelling and self-deprecation didn't bring harmony and understanding as liberals promised, but an utter lack of respect from everyone around the world. Better think twice before you cast your vote in two years; someone who holds his or her own country in such low esteem probably isn't the best choice to run it."

Posted by: Juan__ | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM

I sure hope you are not blaming Obama for this either? Wow, the level of hatred for the guy has reached South America too? You must be from Argentina or Chile.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Like I mentioned before its the stadiums as well. Qatar has the money to build NFL magnitude seating stadiums that are soccer specific. And the plans for the main stadium was unheard off but they have the money to do so. The NFL stadiums are huge but they lack character. Qatar can build and dissemble what they want. But its also FIFA they are looking for countries willing to build them new shiny stadiums at their will. And Qatar was one of them.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@Juan__
you just killed this thread good job jacka$$

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:41 AM
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Huh? In what sense has this thread been killed? You owe Juan an apology.
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this is a soccer thread not a "Obama is the worst thing ever and hates the country" thread. I mean really?? Its Obama's fault?

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Im not mad just saying, congrats to the people of Qatar. I might end up going if I can afford the flight.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Blatter wants to increase soccer's appeal and the participation of other regions, just as long as the World Cup keeps coming back to Europe every 8 years or so.

What a joke.

Anybody can hire a firm to design architectural plans.

Talk to Dubai about how the metro and municipal works programs are working out in the construction phase. There is no guarantee any or all of that will be built for 2022.

The reality is that for those that complain about US soccer and its popularity relative to other sports, who is Qatar in the soccer world?

They don't even qualify from their own region for the World Cup.

This is like awarding the World Cup to Switzerland or New Zealand because of their perceived political neutrality.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | December 2, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

No. I'm just reminding folks of the fact that the anointed host country doesn't always end up hosting, and FIFA doesn't even need a real reason.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:45 AM
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Are you suggesting that FIFA had some reason other than genuine concern about SARS at the time the decision was made? I can't remember anyone alleging some other motive at the time,

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

No. I'm just reminding folks of the fact that the anointed host country doesn't always end up hosting, and FIFA doesn't even need a real reason.

Posted by: Godfather_of_Goals | December 2, 2010 11:45 AM
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Are you suggesting that FIFA had some reason other than genuine concern about SARS at the time the decision was made? I can't remember anyone alleging some other motive at the time,

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

JeanJak - was that serious? you think hosting the Gold Cup in Haiti is helpful to that nation, let alone a good idea? I'm all for holding it in Mexico or Canada, but to suggest that any of the other smaller nations (or a combination of them) in the region are capable of providing the necessary accomodations for an entire tournament is not realisitic.

Posted by: VTUnited | December 2, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

anyone else know that Qatar is "alcohol-less"

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Skip the air conditioning and just play at 3:00 am - should be cool enough

Posted by: GeneWells | December 2, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@Juan__ -- The world's impression of the USA has gone up considerably in the last two years. If we're disliked around the world, it's the legacy of George W.Bush,and the continuing jingoistic, xenophobic, anti-UN, anti-START, global-warming denialist, rhetoric for n the right-wing that continues to make Americans look like public enemy number one to many countries around the world.

Honestly, if Pres. Obama had been able to get the GOP to agree a real stimulus package that gave full-finding to a nationwide high-speed rail network, we would have had a much stronger bid. Those two negative pieces from the FIFA bid summary -- government support and the lack of adequate public transportation -- those would have been treated differently. I doubt it would have been enough to win the bid, but I'd guess it would have been closer.

Our current President doesn't hold the country in low esteem. Maybe, he doesn't think too highly of his political opposition, but it's hard to think highly of anyone who participates in the FOX Noise propaganda machine or who thinks they're getting real news and insight on FOX Noise.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Just for clarification, Qatar's bid did state that they would "relax" their alcohol laws for the tournament. Not sure what that means, but they did say it.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Only 2 votes for England, FIFA are a disgrace.

Posted by: RedDevil1 | December 2, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Huh? In what sense has this thread been killed? You owe Juan an apology.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 11:46 AM

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Now, do you get how that clown killed this thread?

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Just for clarification, Qatar's bid did state that they would "relax" their alcohol laws for the tournament. Not sure what that means, but they did say it.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse
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Budlight it is then. Or naturals best.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

So, 'South America' was not looking forward to the US hosting the World Cup because Americans don't respect the sport?

But in Qatar they do?

Give me a break.

The fact Qatar has no infrastructure currently to support a soccer federation or qualify a team for the World Cup should be a pretty good indication this is about MONEY and PRESTIGE not about sports for that country.

It was a great gimmick - promise to BUILD an infrastructure for soccer in the future to show a commitment to the sport.

And the committee bought that approach.

If government's promises to throw money at building projects is the end all for hosting the World Cup, then Saudi Arabia should go ahead and build a Soccer City to host ALL of the future World Cup competitions.

They can afford even more than Qatar and they actually have an active soccer program to boot.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | December 2, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

This is the age of Obama. All that grovelling and self-deprecation didn't bring harmony and understanding as liberals promised, but an utter lack of respect from everyone around the world. Better think twice before you cast your vote in two years; someone who holds his or her own country in such low esteem probably isn't the best choice to run it.

Posted by: Juan__
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You're an A$$. Doesn't Fox News or the Drudge Report have a blog you can hang out on?

Posted by: PrinceBuster21 | December 2, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

@Fischy
You just made Ray LaHood's Christmas Card list. :-)

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Skip the air conditioning and just play at 3:00 am - should be cool enough

Posted by: GeneWells | December 2, 2010 11:55 AM

see, and I would have thought his first comment would have been something along the lines of "its our right to know who voted for which bid. we must know the truth!"

Posted by: VTUnited | December 2, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Talk about sour grapes, US. WAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!! I'm not the center of the universe!!! WAAAAHHH!!!!!
Grow up.

Posted by: Aerowaz | December 2, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Not surprised, but very disappointed. It's not only the corrupt selection process, but I think it comes down to profit margins for FIFA. We know FIFA has become a greedy multinational corporation, willing to sell the "world's game" to the highest bidder. Given the conditions in Qatar, FIFA may not make any money on the actual event, but I bet Qatar's bid guaranteed ridiculous profit levels by throwing some of it's petro-dollars in to make the deal sweet for FIFA.

FIFA would hold the WC on a small island if the profit margin was high enough for them, and their executive members got their kick backs and tickets (lookin' at you Jack Warner)....

This hurts, but doesn't harm us soccer, THE GAME IS IN US...

Posted by: dafzal | December 2, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Just for clarification, Qatar's bid did state that they would "relax" their alcohol laws for the tournament. Not sure what that means, but they did say it.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse
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Budlight it is then. Or naturals best.

Posted by: TheWashDipsSince88 | December 2, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Bleck.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

@FulhamDC

I am not lecturing anyone. While your questions are great, FIFA nor sports in general have nothing to do anything with politics. If sports did, China would never have gotten the Olympics a few weeks ago.
As for my point, This current version of the Gold Cup has been held every year in the U.S. (or with a combination of U.S./Mexico) since its reintroduction in 1991. Prior to that, the CONCACAF championship (which is what it was called before 1991) was held throughout CONCACAF countries, including Haiti at one point.
It is not a coincidence that those countries back produced higher quality soccer than the U.S.
Today, within CONCACAF, soccer is still very much popular but is structured in such a way that the smaller countries are losing to the big countries financially. If the U.S. and Mexico, the two current powerhouse of the region continues to host the Gold Cup every year, the other countries of CONCACAF who needs the money to restructure their federations will continue to lose.
In short, soccer in CONCACAF is not democratic.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

This is the age of Obama. All that grovelling and self-deprecation didn't bring harmony and understanding as liberals promised, but an utter lack of respect from everyone around the world. Better think twice before you cast your vote in two years; someone who holds his or her own country in such low esteem probably isn't the best choice to run it.

Leaving that aside, I'm happy for Russia and Qatar. The more diversity, the merrier. Here in South America we weren't looking forward to a country like yours with no appreciation of soccer holding its greatest event.

Posted by: Juan__ | December 2, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

This is about President Obama and the liberal agenda? That's a stretch even if your name is Rush Limbaugh. Mega dittos!

Following FIFA logic what about a Canadian bid in 2026 or 2030? It would promote the game in an area where it is still growing. Just a thought......

Posted by: hateisnotafamilyvalue | December 2, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Australia and China are fine -- the whole rotation thing was BS so that Sepp could get his WC in Africa, and they've ended that "policy". Besides, they can just say that Qatar is in the Middle East, China in Asia, and Australia is its own continent. And Sepp will be long gone.

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

***Corrections: China would never have gotten the Olympics a few YEARS ago...***

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

@SoccerFan3. Sunil Gulati = USSF President (non salaried volunteer, but lots of perks). Dan Flynn = USSF General Secretary = CEO. They really put the best bid forward. USSF is far from corrupt.

FIFA, however, is the classic poster child and a basket case in that department. This is not news. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. One has to wonder when one of the worlds last global monopolies will end. Not soon, since they are a money making machine.

Blazer needs to at least take a look at nutrasweet every once on a while, and maybe a new barber. For the good of the game.

Posted by: postgolb | December 2, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Did I not tell you about the home page link whackos?

Talk to you all later

Posted by: Kev29 | December 2, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama is irrelevant.

As with the Olympics, this entire selection process is about MONEY and PRESTIGE.

Qatar promised to spend the most and so they were chosen.

Some element of moving the venue factored in as well, but again that goal doesn't seem to stop the committee from bringing the Cup back to Europe every second tournament or so.

Going back to 1980:

1982 (Spain), 1986 (Mexico), 1990 (Italy), 1994 (US), 1998 (France), 2002 (Japan/SK), 2006 (Germany), 2010 (SA), etc.

As you will notice Europe gets the nod every OTHER tournament.

And what massive improvements in infrastructure did we see for the 1990 games in Italy or the 1998 games in France?

Public transportation was terrible in both years. Fans couldn't get to their matches on time. Both countries had strikes during the tournament no doubt for effect.

In the end, the soccer fans and the teams that travelled from around the world were a secondary consideration to local politics in these countries.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | December 2, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/dec/01/world-cup-2018-2022-zurich

Qatar beat USA 14-8 in the fourth round of voting, but almost claimed it in the first round.

First round: Australia 1, Japan 3, USA 3, Korea Republic 4, Qatar 11

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re 2018
First round: England 2, Holland/Belgium 4, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 9
Second round: Holland/Belgium 2, Spain/Portugal 7, Russia 13

Posted by: emanon13 | December 2, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Friggin' Qatar???? Will they have valet parking for your camels? Gee, I would not have guessed they could have picked a more desolate place. Well I guess Easter Island would be even more so, but dang!

Posted by: landonthegr8 | December 2, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to Qatar! You deserve it!! Wonderful bid.

Posted by: helthe | December 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Now, do you get how that clown killed this thread?

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 11:58 AM
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But this thread has NOT been killed. It is still going strong. It can survive an occasional random post by a clown.

Posted by: universityandpark | December 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

@ JeanJak -
And I wasn't defending CONCACAF and it's selection process either. There are plenty of smaller countires in the federation that could host the tournament, I just don't believe that Haiti and Cuba are 2 of them. And while I would agree that FIFA or sports in general has nothing to do with politics, FIFA truly BELIEVES that it does, and that's just a small part of their hypocrasy.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

How do I get on this FIFA selection panel? I can take a bribe as well as anyone.

Posted by: hacksaw | December 2, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

also from the Guardian:

"Immediately, there was speculation that Concacaf, the block of votes controlled by Jack Warner, may have switched his votes to Russia after hinting he would back England."

So Jack Warner has a new Russian condo as well as the new one in Qatar??

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm happy with the decision of bringing the world's most popular sports to new frontiers. I know it is hard for Americans to understand that it is not all about money.

Posted by: JeanJak

hahahahahaha

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

also from the Guardian:

"Immediately, there was speculation that Concacaf, the block of votes controlled by Jack Warner, may have switched his votes to Russia after hinting he would back England."

So Jack Warner has a new Russian condo as well as the new one in Qatar??

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse


That's just the Brits trying to blame us. They love to do that.

Posted by: FulhamDC | December 2, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Again, I am serious when I say CONCACAF needs to be more like FIFA in awarding venues and helping to finance the facilities as well in other countries in CONCACAF.
As it is now, the U.S. and Mexico are holding the development of soccer in other parts of CONCACAF purely for financial reasons.
For those of you who don't know again, the CONCACAF Championships prior to 1991 was held throughout CONCACAF countries. Now the Gold Cup is held every 2 years only in the U.S. or Mexico or both. How is that helping the smaller countries again in the region financially who needs the money to restructure their soccer programs and regain their status prior to the money making machine that is the U.S. got involved?
Not lecturing. Just asking?

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@ Juan: Why dont you go back on Fox or on Drudge where you belong?

- Fifa is a disgrace. 2 votes for England in the first round? I guess the BCC show exposing corruption @ FIFA killed England chances.
- Qatar in 2022. Simply surreal. I could at least understand if Australia had won. But Qatar, with a bid that FIFA called risky in the first place? with 130 F in the Summer? Give me a break.

Posted by: charlie015 | December 2, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Going back to 1980:

1982 (Spain), 1986 (Mexico), 1990 (Italy), 1994 (US), 1998 (France), 2002 (Japan/SK), 2006 (Germany), 2010 (SA), etc.

As you will notice Europe gets the nod every OTHER tournament.

And what massive improvements in infrastructure did we see for the 1990 games in Italy or the 1998 games in France?

Public transportation was terrible in both years. Fans couldn't get to their matches on time. Both countries had strikes during the tournament no doubt for effect.

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What I noticed is that you stopped your list too soon. 2010 - South Africa, 2014 - Brazil, 2018 - Russia, 2022 - Qatar, 2026 - ?

FIFA had a rotation policy that ensured Europe would host every other Cup. That rotation policy has officially been scrapped, but Blatter's comments make clear that FIFA now looks at Europe for every THIRD Cup, instead of every other tournament. This is why all the non-Euro bidders dropped out of the 2018 bid process. There was little doubt that FIFA was going to pick a European nation after an African and South American one.

As for infrastructure improvements In Italy and France -- I can't comment, since I'd never been to either country prior to the Cups. I will say that I found it a joy to ride around those countries on trains and had no real problems getting to the games on time (though there was a comedic moment when I go on the train to Nantes and the door closed behind me with my friend on the platform. He made the next train, and we got t the stadium in plenty of time to see Steve Sampson's boys flame out against Yugoslavia.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

JeanJak, you've got it completely backwards. CONCACAF and the corrupt Jack Warner have all of the tournaments in the US so that they get the money.

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I thought Barack Hussein 0bama (PBUH) was beloved internationally and had set a new world tone unprecedented by any other president or human being on the planet.
Chicago Olympics - FAIL
World Cup - FAIL
Progressivism - FAIL
0bama's presidency - FAIL

Posted by: Charley_XF | December 2, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you gringos really can't stand losing. When your best response is calling those who disagree with you "clowns" it really shows you have nothing left. Keep getting your news analysis from The Daily Show; all that Obama kowtowing to tyrants and betraying of America's former allies is really earning you a lot of support and respect around the world... that's true comedy.

Posted by: Juan__ | December 2, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse

OMFG. I can't believe it. Well, looking on the bright side, Qatar is close enough to drive to for all those Al Qaeda in Yemen & Al Qaeda in Iraq soccer fans that can't wait to embrace a western mega-event spectacle with a bunch of drunk spectators. Qatar is also just a ferry ride away from Iran and a short boat trip from Somalia. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: wise-en-up2 | December 2, 2010 12:23 PM | Report abuse


I'm not finding all the people here who told me last week, and earlier this week, that I was wrong when I said Qatar was definitely the front runner.

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | December 2, 2010 12:24 PM | Report abuse

I thought Barack Hussein 0bama (PBUH) was beloved internationally and had set a new world tone unprecedented by any other president or human being on the planet.
Chicago Olympics - FAIL
World Cup - FAIL
Progressivism - FAIL
0bama's presidency - FAIL

Posted by: Charley_XF | December 2, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Again, I am serious when I say CONCACAF needs to be more like FIFA in awarding venues and helping to finance the facilities as well in other countries in CONCACAF.
As it is now, the U.S. and Mexico are holding the development of soccer in other parts of CONCACAF purely for financial reasons.
For those of you who don't know again, the CONCACAF Championships prior to 1991 was held throughout CONCACAF countries. Now the Gold Cup is held every 2 years only in the U.S. or Mexico or both. How is that helping the smaller countries again in the region financially who needs the money to restructure their soccer programs and regain their status prior to the money making machine that is the U.S. got involved?
Not lecturing. Just asking?

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 12:19 PM

I think the counter argument would be that the majority of the nations you are suggesting as alternate hosts would rather spend their money making sure they have a functioning society with roads, electricity, and other public works, before they worry about a funding a functioning/successful soccer federation.

Posted by: VTUnited | December 2, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

VTUnited - I'm out - I've got a life offline.

Posted by: GeneWells | December 2, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

WOW,! The trolls are out in force today...After Juan, now we have Charley_XF.
I guess you guys are getting really desperate today to come on Soccer blog to spit your hatred and venom.

Posted by: charlie015 | December 2, 2010 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Get my news analysis from the Daily Show? If you and your fellow ideologues believe that, it's no wonder you have such contempt for liberals and such a warped world view. It also shows your ignorance of people outside your small circle. I get to laugh at the silliest stuff which gets justly skewered there, but when it comes to analyzing the news, I get real information from serious sources and then try to do my own thinking, though there some voices that I find do provide real insight. Because they do offer real insight, they're not welcome on FOX.

Back to the soccer....

We've really got to get our stuff together to get the 2026 bid. If we're looking at whose turn it is, Mexico and Canada are more likely prospects, but neither country is probably going to be be ready to make a winning bid in 4 years. Hopefully, they'll join us in bringing the event back to North America.

Posted by: fischy | December 2, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Charley_XF -- even your mom thinks you're a tool. Don't you think it's well past time to start working on that?

Posted by: christopher_a_metzler | December 2, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

now all we need is a Nazi reference to complete this thread.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Oh no soccer in the USA? There will be rioting in the streets....

Posted by: ozpunk | December 2, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

wow, you guys really are a bunch of idealists or are really naive.I am surprised no one realized how FIFA works and that they answer to no one.

I am always happy when England lose. And the fact that they went out with only 2 votes means most other people are too.

Qatar has a number of large hotels already and certainly they have more than enough time to build more. They will just need to import some more slave labor from South Asia to get it all done.

Is everyone an alcoholic who just cares about getting enough booze to get them drunk?

BBC mentioned 2 billion people live within a 4 hour flight of Qatar. Of course most of them are dirt poor and could never actually afford to go there.

European TV will have matches at a reasonable time for them which I always think is a big consideration.

We really had very few votes when you look at the round by round figures.

Posted by: fedssocr | December 2, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Russia is a defensible choice, but Qatar?
I'm all for an Arab country hosting the cup, but this is a ridiculous choice.
The size and climate is totally impossible for an event like this. They'll have to import spectators and pay them because who wants to sit in a stadium when July average temperature is 115.

Posted by: cpwdc | December 2, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely ridiculous. Qatar are you kidding me. Of the top of my head I can think of a bunch of resons, I will have zero interest in going.

1. Heat
It can be upwards of 130F in Summer
Even if the "Stadiums" are airconditioned the country is not.

2. Play
And for those in other countries who continually complain about the summer temps in the US affecting the attractiveness of play, I give you US summer times 2.

3. Security
As someone from the West i can really see going there with my family and providing some extremist Islamic group with some soft targets.

4. Islamic Law / Dictorial Regime
Wow do I really want to be subject to a set of rules and and state institutions that have no bearing on the 21st century.

5. Party On - Not
The World Cup is meant to be a celebration. Tell that to Women that have no vote, can't drive and must be covered; Persons with alternate lifestyle choices; the hundreds of thousands of foreign workers that are treated like chattel; Israelis and jews in general; and anyone looking for some decent brew.

Oil Money in baskets obviously talks.

Well, I for one will cross off the 2022 WC as anything I'm going to be interested in.

Posted by: dcufan531 | December 2, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

fedssocr, Somalian pirates have plenty of money, and can just cruise in one of their borrowed yachts to the WC.

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

BBC mentioned 2 billion people live within a 4 hour flight of Qatar. Of course most of them are dirt poor and could never actually afford to go there.

And most of them live in India and Pakistan, which aren't exactly nations of rabid soccer fans.

Posted by: BooThisMan | December 2, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Article has it wrong. Qatar got the Winter Olympics for 2022 with their sweet indoor ski mountain facility!

Posted by: terptek | December 2, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@cpwdc,

By 2022, Qatar will be able to buy holographic projectors to make the stadiums look full. No need to import real people.

Posted by: Kenobi | December 2, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I say we invade Qatar; problem solved, we are now the hosts!

Posted by: bmp246 | December 2, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Qatar is a terrible choice, but just for the record: women can vote and drive in Qatar, it was the a major site for U.S. forces when invading Iraq, and a dozen or so American universities have centers there.

Posted by: cpwdc | December 2, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Qatar is a terrible choice, but just for the record: women can vote and drive in Qatar, it was a major site for U.S. forces when invading Iraq, and a dozen or so American universities have centers there.

Posted by: cpwdc | December 2, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

FIFA is so corrupt - right up there with the IOC. Bags of oil money dropped off at the voters front doors. Qatar also uses Indian slaves to build everything in their country; let alone women are inferior to dogs in that country...a bright star for the world to see in 2022!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 2, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Like the games in berlin in 1936, Jews will not be allow...Why choose a country where Non-Muslims are second class citizens?

Posted by: steve44122 | December 2, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

The World Cup is meant to be a celebration. Tell that to Women that have no vote, can't drive and must be covered

I find your points mostly valid, but let's try to get the facts right. Women can drive, are not forced to wear the veil, and have had the vote in municipal elections, and will supposedly be allowed to vote in the legislative elections in 2013. No, Qatar isn't exactly a paragon of women's rights, but it's not Saudi Arabia either.

Posted by: BooThisMan | December 2, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Are these locations the best for maximizing TV revenues? Presumably there will be late kickoffs, meaning prime time in Europe and afternoon in the Americas. To put it another way, did FIFA actually do an acceptable job of putting tournaments in places where the most people can watch by TV (which is where the money and vast majority of spectators are)?

Of course FIFA are venal and corrupt, and, yes, the process was disgusting, and, sure, I worry about empty seats -- but at the end of the day I don't think it's horrendous to move big events around beyond the usual suspects. If I'm being truly selfish, the good news is that it won't be in East Asia for another 20 years, so I don't have to worry about setting the alarm for 4am kickoffs.

(Speaking of which, anyone know how the Chinese media is taking all this?)

Posted by: mik_smith1 | December 2, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

A couple of quick thoughts on the selections:

Russia-best looking hookers on the planet. Putin will make a fortune.

Qatar- Good luck with those Anheiser Busch sponsorship negotiations.

Posted by: ADNova | December 2, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I say the US and England boycott going to and watching, the World Cup in '22. It may happen by that time!

Posted by: terptek | December 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

"I think the counter argument would be that the majority of the nations you are suggesting as alternate hosts would rather spend their money making sure they have a functioning society with roads, electricity, and other public works, before they worry about a funding a functioning/successful soccer federation.

Posted by: VTUnited"

@VTUnited - Sports can bring changes to those poor countries by being to host these events. They only need the organization to invest in them by providing the facilities so they can host these events while hoping to benefits financially in the long term by way of tourism.
How do you suppose South Africa with so many issues socially will benefit from this past World Cup?
I do agree that Jack Warner of CONCACAF is also very corrupt.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Upset that Qatar's money made the difference? Here's a solution:
1. Stop dependence on Arabian oil and gas and use clean energy.
2. Stop dependence on Arabian (and Chinese) money to buy our debts.

Posted by: cpwdc | December 2, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Russia is not Eastern Europe. Russia is a thing-in-itself.

Posted by: sofiaboy | December 2, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Women can drive in Qatar. They cannot (yet) vote.

Russia was a lock. I am stumped over Qatar - I thought the Aussie's would get it in 22.

Oh well. I can cheer on the USA from a pub at home :)

Posted by: Greent | December 2, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

The terrorists have won.

Posted by: esmith22015 | December 2, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't really matter where they host it because in 10-12 years the face of entertainment will be even more drastically virtual than it is now. The media rights will be the key in Europe and North America where people will have much rather gathered with their like-minded fans and watch it at a friend's place with their holographic monitors that make it more real and close than actually being there... and you can get drunk and sleep... than actually being there and having to navigate the crowds, the traffic, and the $ of food, beverages, etc. This means, of course, that the games will have to be played at odd times locally because the media audience $ will orders of magnitude more. The sad thing is that for many places they will not benefit economically in the long or short runs. Canada learned that with the Olympics in Montreal. Colorado doesn't even try events like that because they know they already make more money without something like the Olympics. This isn't what it's cracked up to be. And it ten years, the global sports language may be basketball. IOW. No biggie.

Posted by: NovaMike | December 2, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I WILL NOT GO TO A CORRUPT RACIST SEXIST HOMOPHOBIC PRIMITIVE "country" like Qatar!

Posted by: 10bestfan | December 2, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Surely nobody will go to Qatar
it's too hot and the distance too far
the stadiums aren't built
So hot you'll wilt
and they won't even open a bar!

Posted by: anti1 | December 2, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

"I think the counter argument would be that the majority of the nations you are suggesting as alternate hosts would rather spend their money making sure they have a functioning society with roads, electricity, and other public works, before they worry about a funding a functioning/successful soccer federation.

Posted by: VTUnited"

@VTUnited - Sports can bring changes to those poor countries by being to host these events. They only need the organization to invest in them by providing the facilities so they can host these events while hoping to benefits financially in the long term by way of tourism.
How do you suppose South Africa with so many issues socially will benefit from this past World Cup?
I do agree that Jack Warner of CONCACAF is also very corrupt.

Posted by: JeanJak | December 2, 2010 1:23 PM

JeanJak - I want to agree with you, but history is just not there to support what you are saying. ESPN even ran a story prior to the US v SA match 2 weeks ago about how many of the promises of SA10 have so far gone unanswered in the hosting communitites. were talking about just giving people drinking water, not high speed internet, or even electricity. and the notion that the freaking Gold Cup could ever hope to make a fraction of the promises that a WC bid can is borderline delusional. Its the Gold Cup and its CONCACAF, not EURO and UEFEA. the federation is far from wealthy, and no one watches or attends, unless the US or Mexico are playing. Again, I wish I could agree with you, but our world (and soccer confederation) is full of greed.

Posted by: VTUnited | December 2, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

What this effectively does is guarantees that only the obscenely rich will be able to attend the games in 2022. Afterall, we are taking about a country that dispenses gold bars from vending machines. No budget or cheap seats there for sure

Posted by: wildfyre99 | December 2, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

fedssocr, Somalian pirates have plenty of money, and can just cruise in one of their borrowed yachts to the WC.

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 12:54 PM
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Or on their Coast Guard Qatars.

Posted by: Rand-al-Thor | December 2, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Did you hear? Sarah Palin has invited everyone over to her house to watch the 2018 World Cup. We hear the view is good.

Posted by: tifoso1 | December 2, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Good

Hopefully it won't be on television either.

Posted by: rcubedkc | December 2, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

VTUnited, don't forget that those people were displaced in order to build a new stadium (as if there weren't enough land there).

Posted by: Reignking | December 2, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Screw 'em. Lets not go to the World Cup or the Olympics, and call for a ban on American corporate sponsorship. The only way we'll get anywhere is to hit them in the pocketbook.

Posted by: js1960 | December 2, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

I really have wanted to go to Russia for a long time, the WC makes it sweeeter.
I'll save all the money I would have wasted on DC United and have one heck of a trip.

Posted by: NICKYNUNYA | December 2, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Russia and Qatar getting the bids actually show FIFA is a true nonprofit org. Qatar's oil money could no way match the revenue that would have been created for FIFA with an England, USA bid!

Posted by: bevonbenjamin | December 2, 2010 3:16 PM | Report abuse

PETROAUTHORITARIANISM 2:0 DEMOCRACY

Posted by: bs2004 | December 2, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I S "loose" BID FOR 2022 wORLD cUP ? pLEASEEEE.
The US Public has shown NO INterest in Soccer. Since the 60's they have been trying to market Major League Soccer in the US to no avail but anytime the World Cup is up for bis the Corporate makes a big play for thr games just so that they could "Pimp" the World cup and make a boat load of money.
Where is the interest when DC United is playing right here in DC? If it was not for the Hispanic community the crowds would be dreadful. The Last Cup in South Africa there was scant interes by the Citizenery.
If the US public supports Soccer by all means try to get the games but if you show no interest why should you cop the Grown Jewels? The same with the Olympics. Every time there is a Bid the US is first in line We Want It We Want it. Why? When last has there ben a Major Track And Field Meet on tthe East Cost? when last have you seen a major International Track and Field Meet on Television.
You lucky if they squeeze in a half hour delayed breadcast on Sunday Evening World Record Holder Usain Bolt was at the Penn Relays just up 95 in Philadelphia in the Spring the Washington Post did not even cover it but now there is a big out cry .
Let the World Cup go to Countries where is a great appreciation for Soccer Brazil in 2014, Rusia 2028 Quatar in 2022 .

Posted by: Carprin | December 2, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

wow, you win the craziest post of the day award. Congrats Carprin.

For the record:
The Post did cover the Penn Relays and always does.
The Hispanic community is still part of the "US Public".
The World Cup in South Africa had great TV ratings in the US, in fact it broke records.

Posted by: rockotodd | December 2, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

The USA lost before even going to Zurich and present its dossier. The country does not welcome visitors, many fans would not have receive visa or permission to enter the country, not to mention the all but friendly welcome of the officers at any immigration post. The lack of public transport and infrastructure and no improvement in sight, did nothing to improve its chance.
The country must start cleaning its act or just become a 4th world country.
No sense claiming corruption as this was the case with the Winter Olympic in this country.
It is a pity for the football fans.

Posted by: roby3926 | December 2, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Qatar getting it makes no sense. Here is a country that has either never or maybe once qualified (anyone know?). There is no significant soccer history there whatsoever. If the goal was to expand the World Cup to the Arab World, then I think that there might have been better options.

As others have mentioned, there is horrible heat to deal with in June or July.

I too can understand Russia getting it in 2018, but this one really came out of nowhere.

Posted by: sharedgum | December 2, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Judging by State Department cables there is a simple answer -- $$.

Posted by: lovinliberty | December 2, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Thank God, America wasn't chosen! How many millions or billions of dollars would it have cost us, not to mention the security nightmare that it would have created!

Posted by: kucy1 | December 2, 2010 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I noticed that FIFA board is now represented on Lukoil and Qatar General Petroleum Corporation Boards. Coincedence? I think not....

Posted by: lovinliberty | December 2, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Russia has a rather tourist-UNfriendly tourist visa procedure at the moment. I wonder if it will be relaxed any for WC 2018?

Posted by: SportzNut21 | December 2, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

This decision puts FIFA in the same pot as the UN, unreasonable, anti western and totally lacking in fairness or business sense. The US, England and others, sick of this dominating organisation should breakaway now and form a representative body based on basic values.

Posted by: rhope | December 2, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Qatar, heh? Can we expect public beheadings for half-time entertainment.

Posted by: scvaughan | December 2, 2010 6:51 PM | Report abuse

I AM FROM SAUDI ARABIA .I am surprised at some of the responses above . HOW MOST OF YOU Decides THAT QATAR IS WRONG CHOISE
OF FIFA
DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ABOUT QATAR ?
IT IS Enough if we say THAT QATAR IS THE Largest gas exporter in the world AND IT Has significant financial resources . IT IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST Average per capita income.
ALSO QATAR OFFER IS BIGGEST THAN AMERICAN OFFER .

WE LIKE AMIRCAN PEOPLE BUT SOME TIME YOU ARE TAKINH DECISION WITH Selfishness

WE ARE HUMANLIKE YOU WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO LIFE TO PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE YOU

PLZ AMERICAN PEOPLE WE WANT TO LIFE TOGETHER IN PEACE .

DONT HEAT US BECAUSE WE LOVE YOU
"WE ARE HUMAN"

Posted by: qch03 | December 2, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Although the U.S. were not favorites for the 2010 World Cup, there were reportedly more U.S. fans in South Africa than fans from any other visiting nation save England. If the U.S. soccer team qualifies for the 2022 Cup, I doubt that as many American fans will be willing to travel to Qatar.

Edward J. Cunningham
Rockville, MD

Posted by: femfour | December 2, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Although the U.S. were not favorites for the 2010 World Cup, there were reportedly more U.S. fans in South Africa than fans from any other visiting nation save England. If the U.S. soccer team qualifies for the 2022 Cup, I doubt that as many American fans will be willing to travel to Qatar.

Edward J. Cunningham
Rockville, MD

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Posted by: highshopping | December 2, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

We should've sent Obama to lobby on behalf of the US! No wait...that didn't work out too well for Chicago and the Olympics selection. Never mind.....

Posted by: TJ44 | December 2, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Americans are the only ones who believe in American exceptionalism; and then only the stupid ones.

Posted by: fresno500 | December 2, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Guys, Let me Introduce Qatar 2022 to you, Obviously you don't know much:
- All the Games will be hosted in an airconditioned Outdoor stadiums, using Carbon-free Solar energy, the tecknology of Airconditioned Stadiums are used already in AL-SADD Stadium (Outdoor with capacity of 25,000 spectator) the average temp was les than 76 degress Feh. which was presented to the commities and all journalist came with them on Sep 2010, they were astonished to wat they saw.

Posted by: Hazem2022 | December 4, 2010 6:12 AM | Report abuse

- all fan zones will be air conditioned, Transportation, Public areas...etc.

- You will realy have excellent quality time in Qatar if you decide to come.

Posted by: Hazem2022 | December 4, 2010 6:33 AM | Report abuse

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